Syria: We “welcome” Russia’s proposal to turn over our chemical weapons to international control; Update: Rand Paul interested

posted at 2:01 pm on September 9, 2013 by Allahpundit

He turned the ball over underneath his own basket and now here’s the easy lay-up.

Maybe the new White House strategy is to lose so much U.S. credibility through Obama and Kerry sounding like morons that Congress has no choice but to support bombing in order to get some of it back. Proposed White House sales pitch: “Vote yes and we’ll shut up.”

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday said it welcomed a Russian proposal to avert U.S. military strikes by having Damascus turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors.

The statement by Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem in Moscow offered the first indication that a diplomatic solution may be possible to the international standoff that has evolved since apparent chemical weapons attacks on rebel-held suburbs outside Damascus on August 21…

Moualem said Syria “welcomes the Russian initiative,” but did not say whether his country would agree to what Russia was asking. “We also welcome the wisdom of the Russian leadership, which is trying to prevent American aggression against our people,” Moulaem said.

Hours earlier, in London, Secretary of State John F. Kerry sketched out a similar transfer-of-control scenario, then dismissed it, after being asked by a reporter whether there was anything that Assad could do to avoid an attack. “Sure, he could turn over every bit of his weapons to the international community within the next week, without delay,” Kerry said. “But he isn’t about to.”

This proposal is being taken sufficiently seriously at the UN that Ban Ki-Moon called it something the Security Council might potentially unite around. So now, thanks to Kerry, Assad might be able to follow the Iranian nuclear script to stave off a U.S. attack — agree to “dialogue,” wrangle over inspections, and then stall, stall, stall while his enemy’s will to act gradually erodes. The State Department, backed into a corner by the boss’s idiocy, now has no choice but to agree to take a “hard look” at the proposal, but at this afternoon’s briefing the department’s line on what Kerry said is that .. yeah, he’s kind of an idiot:

Our “moderate” Syrian rebel allies are naturally furious that the big bombing run might be suspended over this.

Here’s the thing, though: Doesn’t the Russian proposal get Obama what he ostensibly wants, i.e. an Assad who’s afraid to use chemical weapons again? O doesn’t care if Assad keeps his weapons; he doesn’t even care if he uses them, provided he does so on a small enough scale that deniability is kinda sorta plausible. See, for example, this new LA Times report about how U.S. intelligence had a strong suspicion as far back as last summer, before O issued his “red line” ultimatum, that Syrian troops were gassing people. The Damascus attack wasn’t a gamechanger because it was novel, it was a gamechanger because it was so big that Obama would be humiliated if he didn’t respond. Now here’s Russia seizing on Kerry’s gaffe as a way to keep the U.S. off its turf, essentially guaranteeing that Assad won’t use gas again via the fiction of Syria turning over its weapons or whatever. Big question for Obama now: Is it more important to him to de-escalate this conflict that he bumbled into, even if it means losing face by letting the Russians bail him out, or is it more important to restore his “credibility” by punching Assad regardless of what that might mean for the conflict blowing up? If he accepts Russia’s “offer,” he’s endorsing the charade that Assad will voluntarily disarm in exchange for a de facto promise that he won’t gas people again. If he rejects it, he still has to deal with a congressional headache, the headache of organizing military ops, etc. How much face is The One willing to lose to Putin after the Snowden humiliation? More face than he’s willing to lose after his big push in Congress ends up failing miserably?

Update: Via Breitbart, the Senate’s leading opponent of the war sees a way out:

“I think it would be a great step forward if Assad were willing to do it and if Russia were willing to monitor it or an international authority with Russia,” Paul, an outspoken opponent of U.S. military strikes in Syria, said in a phone interview with Breitbart News on Monday. “I think part of diplomacy and getting things to work is allowing people to save face. If there’s a way Russia can save face in this thing and be part of an international coalition, that’s what we should shoot for.”

“I think one of the biggest problems with bombing Assad is that if we bomb Assad and we destabilize the chemical weapons and they become loose within the country and al Qaeda gets access to them, then I think that’s the real disaster,” Paul explained. “Even [Secretary of State John] Kerry admitted it would take 75,000 American troops to secure these weapons, and that’s what I’ve been saying all along—that bombing may actually lead to more instability.”

“But having an international body take control of the chemical weapons would add much greater stability, and I think it would be a benefit for all of us if that would happen,” he added.

Update: Emily Zanotti of Naked DC summarizes the case for accepting Russia’s offer: “Sure, we’ll probably look kind of stupid, but we already look kind of stupid, and as the Administration slams head first into a likely ‘no’ vote on a use of force authorization, being caught with our pants down now, before we commit our armed forces and risk American lives might not be such a bad thing.”


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Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Reset.

RESET!

RESET!!!!!

questionmark on September 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

LMFAO!

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Come on Obama, take the deal. It’s Unbelievably Small.

Rocks on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Proposed White House sales pitch: “Vote yes and we’ll shut up.”

Giving the Smart Power Brain Trust waaay too much credit there AP.

This is more like a Clash of The Impotent Egos on the domestic side…and a Clash of the Tyrants in the International Arena.

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Obama should take the deal. It’s the least embarrassing option for him at this point which is no minor detail given how impotent he’s looked this past week.

Doughboy on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Reset.

RESET!

RESET!!!!!

questionmark on September 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Ummm…Can I just finish eating my dog? – Obama

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Yes, like being in the Super Bowl 4 times was for the Buffalo Bills.

Rocks on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I don’t think he is going to back down. Here is the latest tweet from Amb. Rice motorizing the goal posts:

Rice: “Our overarching goal is to end the underlying conflict through a negotiated, political transition in which Assad leaves power” #Syria1:27 PM – 9 Sep 2013

That pretty much tells me that now they want Assad out of Syria post haste.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Why isn’t this Dang Button working?!

RESET!

RESET!

F—u—c—K

RESET!!!!!!!!

Tbone McGraw on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Why would anyone vote to attack Syria in this situation? Shouldn’t they try diplomacy first? Isn’t that what the libturds called for with Iran?

This is a win for Putin and Zero momypants choom 57 looks like a complete buffoon.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Well, for someone. Kerry and obama made sure we look anything but victorious.

Ronnie on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Obama should take the deal to save our troops from getting mired down into another ME civil war and blowing up the entire region. If he does take it though, it will be to avoid the no vote in the senate.

I don’t care why he take it, as long as he takes it.

JustTruth101 on September 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I mean the no vote in the house.

JustTruth101 on September 9, 2013 at 2:12 PM

LMFAO!

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I don’t think he is going to back down. Here is the latest tweet from Amb. Rice motorizing the goal posts:

Rice: “Our overarching goal is to end the underlying conflict through a negotiated, political transition in which Assad leaves power” #Syria1:27 PM – 9 Sep 2013

That pretty much tells me that now they want Assad out of Syria post haste.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Translation : Damn that big meany Putin… I’m bombing sumthin!

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

So, do they give Putin a Nobel Peace Prize? lol

Blake on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

If this works team Obama will lie and say this was all a super secret plan between him and Putin.

meci on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Well, for someone. Kerry and obama made sure we look anything but victorious.

Ronnie on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Not true… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Save it for the Pep talk for the Young Pioneers of OFA as they set out to sell WWIII…oh Wait…

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

You are a real dumfruck – this is a huuuuuge victory for Putin.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

This is actually a really good thing for Obama. Not only does it get him off the hook for his “red line” gaffe and forestall the humiliation of the House vote, it’ll be easy for Obama’s campaign staffers (aka the media) to paint this as a Great Patriotic Victory for Dear Leader. “Obama’s military threat gets results!” they’ll all scream.

So on the one hand I’d love to oppose it simply because anything good for Obama must needs be bad for America, but on the other hand, this is actually the best possible solution all the way around. Nothing short of boots-on-the-ground regime change is going to get Assad to give up his arsenal. Russian-led international monitoring, however, will get him to be more discreet, if only to avoid embarrassing Putin. I’m reluctantly forced to put crass partisanship aside and support this compromise.

Fabozz on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I owe you a lot, for the best schadenfreudig laugh of the day!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

mnjg believes, like obama, that all in the world are stupid.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Update: Rand Paul interested

Yay! I just sent him a letter on it. Cruz, too.

One additional advantage in taking up their proposal is that it moves this distraction from the front burner and we can get back to concentrating on all the scandals put on the back burner, address the budget out in the open instead of letting it go on under the radar, and resume the full frontal opposition to both Obamacare and Shamnesty. Giving the opposition the opportunity to run free rein with them while we all chase this President’s current squirrel is annoying at best and irresponsible at worst.

Dusty on September 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Assad might be able to follow the Iranian nuclear script to stave off a U.S. attack — agree to “dialogue,” wrangle over inspections, and then stall, stall, stall while his enemy’s will to act gradually erodes.

and by eroding you mean “until he gets the itch to golf again” right?

ted c on September 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

You are a real dumfruck – this is a huuuuuge victory for Putin.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

That person is a low quality troll. Probably a paid hack.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Hey we can get Hugh O’Brian, if he’s still alive, to reprise his Wyatt Earp role and designate a location, call it the OK Corral, and have Assad hang up his chemical weapons the way cowpokes hung up their gunbelts in Tombstone. And if they refuse, Barky, Kerry, Power, and Rice can role play the Earps and Doc Holliday and have a gunfight with the Assad family playing the Clantons and McClaurys

xkaydet65 on September 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

This is a win for Putin and Zero momypants choom 57 looks like a complete buffoon.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Putin = Peacenik Statesman

Obama = Ego Maniacal Whore for Al Qaeda/Saudi Arabia

in a nutshell…

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I meant to do that!

MontanaMmmm on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

First, there’s a difference between what a country promises to do and what a country does.

Second, anything that stops Obama from harming America is a big victory for us (America).

Third, while this might prevent Obama from stupidly attacking Syrian, he’s already harmed America by damaging our credibility.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

How in this case Obama damaged our credibility? He said that the goal of the military strike is to deter and degrade Assad chemical weapons capabilities… Now without a single missile fired by our military not only we deterred and degraded Assad chemical weapons but he gave them up entirely for destruction… It has nothing to do with Obama… It has to do with the incredible power of the US military and their mere threat is able to do this to Assad… That is very good for our credibility…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Syria: We “welcome” Russia’s proposal to turn over our chemical weapons to international control;

as obama gets his foot stuck in a bucket of red paint……

ted c on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our ‘obama’s military’ (as he calls it) firing a single shot is a big victory for us thinking Americans who oppose warmonger obama’s plan to launch an unprovoked attack on the Syrian people, AND for President Vladimir Putin, a powerful world leader, and PEACE BRINGER.

Pork-Chop on September 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

But now Obama has to talk about the budget again.

Oil Can on September 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Laugh as much as you want… The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

It isn’t American power that might cause Assad to turn over his weapons cache, the size of which, by the way, no one, including the United States, has any idea by their own admission.

It’s will be a huge victory for Putin, who has played the Obama administration like a Stradivarius.

Also, you wrote on another thread:

That is the power of the USA, the mere threat of force and our enemies give up…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Just like:

The British

The Spanish

The Mexicans

Imperial Germany

Imperial Japan

Nazi Germany

Fascist Italy

The Soviet Union

North Korea

The Viet Cong

Saddam Hussein

The Taliban

Al-Qaeda

Afghanistan

Moammar Qaddafi

AQIM

AQIL

AQAP

Iran

They all gave up after the US merely threatened them. All ran and cowered in corners. /

Excuse me if I don’t pay much attention to your analysis of this situation.

Your intellectual chops have been measured and found to be wanting.

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Yup.

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

You assume Obama will take the deal.

Rice: “Our overarching goal is to end the underlying conflict through a negotiated, political transition in which Assad leaves power” #Syria1:27 PM – 9 Sep 2013

That pretty much tells me that now they want Assad out of Syria post haste.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

txhsmom on September 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Take the deal.

WisRich on September 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Putin, you magnificent bastid, you appear big, you tiny thug, because obama is a gnat on the world stage.

In his aim to help his bros, he exposed himself to be nobody.

obama is the most transparent president in history, for all who have eyes/brains.

It is soooooo schadenfreudig to watch. I’m glad Romney lost, so we can witness the inflated parachute drone back to earth.

Must be hell to be a leftist. My, oh my how they exposed themselves these past two weeks. obama fooled all of you, you global morons.

All who cheered idiotically for this fool, now he’s all yours. The interviews, the speech, Rice, the Liar, Hillary the bloodied cow, from top to bottom, Power, the commie “let’s do it illegally”…my, oh my…no one could write fiction any better, even the best….

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Qaddafi gave up his chemical weapons…..

Look where that got him. /

ted c on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The US has lost so much credibility in the last 30 days, I just can’t wait to see the next 1228 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes and 45 seconds.

portlandon on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

It’s hilarious watching you try to spin this as some sort of victory for Obama.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM

I find it nauseating that anyone could stoop that low. But then perhaps stooping isn’t required!

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The fact is that we want to strike Assad to deter and degrade his chemical weapons capabilities… and without a single shot fired from our military Assad gave up his chemical weapons and to be destroyed under UN supervision… So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Not a single person in the Administration has ever said that degrading his chemical weapons capabilities was the point of attacking him. The word “punish” was used a lot, but nothing about degrading his WMD stock. But that’s all OBE. Amb. Rice has tweeted that now our endgame has changed to the removal of Assad.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

You are a real dumfruck – this is a huuuuuge victory for Putin.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

No it is not… What is the stated goal of the strike against Syria? To deter and degrade Assad chemical weapons capabilities… What are the results of the threat of the strikes against Assad? Assad gives up his chemical weapons entirely for destruction… If he did not do then Putin the KGB thug and the mafia leader together with his military junk would have watched our military striking Assad and all what he would have done is watch… Another event that would have shown Russian impotence when the USA decides to act…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM


Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us …

If by ‘us’ you mean Putin and al-Assad then yes. The U.S. president on the other hand looks like a befuddled clown, alone and isolated among the G20 whom he flatly failed to persuade, and estranged from the U.S. Congress who openly and noisily balked at his “unbelievably small” “coalition of one” “military action” that is neither war nor an attempt at regime change, a confused and witless figure who had to be saved from himself by Putin and al-Assad.

Yeah. Big victory.

casuist on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

It’s hilarious watching you try to spin this as some sort of victory for Obama just like liblikeaslaveinobamasazz does.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Well, you’re not hard to please. I thought you said the FSA needed to win this conflict for our very national security.

Are you sure you’re not just an Obama shill?

smoothsailing on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Rebels are moderate freedom fighters who happen to act like Al Qaeda…but aren’t extremists

Chemical Weapons Bad

Assad a craaazy murderin’ bastard madman

World Integrity at Stake

US National Interests are in Peril

Saudis will pay for it

Limited small stike isn’t really a War War

My Presidential Prestige is at stake

Attacking Syria to Stop Iran’s Nukes…See if that one sticks – Obama

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

The US has lost so much credibility in the last 30 days, I just can’t wait to see the next 1228 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes and 45 seconds.

portlandon on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Dude, really! It’s already a Monday.

txhsmom on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Wow, you were able to type that without removing your lips from Obama’s private parts – impressive.

Do you ever weary of being so abjectly moronic?

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

does giving up the weapons undead any of the dead “woman and children“? isn’t that why were about to bomb the crap out of them for 5 minute.

phatfawzi on September 9, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Maybe the new White House strategy is to lose so much U.S. credibility through Obama and Kerry sounding like morons that Congress has no choice but to support bombing in order to get some of it back.

Nope. We survived the Carter years internationally, and got credibility back in spades with Reagan. We’ll survive Dear Liar’s loss of credibility.

rbj on September 9, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Syrian Rebels to Christians: ‘Either You Convert to Islam, Or You Will Be Beheaded’

Resist We Much on September 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The joke about how sad it is that al-Qaeda doesn’t understand the peaceful nature of Islam get funnier every time I say it. I even make the joke even when Islam isn’t part of the conversation. It’s a good meeting place in the town of Non Sequitur.

thuja on September 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Come on Obama, take the deal. It’s Unbelievably Small.

Rocks on September 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

If rumors are true, it’s unbelievably small, just like his… well… you know…

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

God, please, stop this…I can’t laugh any harder.

You and obama/cabal think we’re all as brainless and dedicated fools as you are.

Like RWM says

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Must be weird to be a leftist or a RINO. How you deserve each other.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Allah that opening set-up is a good one. Damn funny for such a topic as this.

DanMan on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our ‘obama’s military’ (as he calls it) firing a single shot is a big victory for us thinking Americans who oppose warmonger obama’s plan to launch an unprovoked attack on the Syrian people, AND for President Vladimir Putin, a powerful world leader, and PEACE BRINGER.

Pork-Chop on September 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Yep!

UN backs Russia’s proposal

Putin owns the UN & World Opinion

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Moron.

heh…

equanimous on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Next

“My ‘reverse psychology’ worked” — mnjg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Not a single person in the Administration has ever said that degrading his chemical weapons capabilities was the point of attacking him. The word “punish” was used a lot, but nothing about degrading his WMD stock. But that’s all OBE. Amb. Rice has tweeted that now our endgame has changed to the removal of Assad.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Really? Google “Deter and Degrade Assad Chemical Weapons” and you will find how many times this was mentioned as the goal of the strikes against him…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

No matter how this turns out, America’s “prestige” in the world is seriously weakened.

Only one player is to blame for that.

And it is not Vladimir Putin.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

txhsmom on September 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

How can he refuse diplomacy and choose nekkid agression and war?

Kerry just solidified all the no votes in congress and added a bunch more.

Even if it’s a stalling tactic on Assad’s part, which must surely be the case, hoist the libturds by their own rules..

hmmmmmm where did I read that?

Besides, if we bomb anyone, how about we kill the Al Qaeda rebels who are busy killing Christians?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Yep!

UN backs Russia’s proposal

Putin owns the UN & World Opinion

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

“This is a win for obama” — mnjg

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

mnjg on September 9, 2013

I take back what I said about it being a troll free day.

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Assad giving up his chemical weapons without our military firing a single shot is a big victory for us…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

You need to change your bulb.

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

No matter how this turns out, America’s “prestige” in the world is seriously weakened.

Only one player is to blame for that.

And it is not Vladimir Putin.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Cool day, bud, cool day!!!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Can el-Bardi and Scott Ritter be in charge?

Cindy Munford on September 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Does Obama now have to give his Nobel Peace Prize to Putin?

Oil Can on September 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Nope. We survived the Carter years internationally, and got credibility back in spades with Reagan. We’ll survive Dear Liar’s loss of credibility.

rbj on September 9, 2013 at 2:23 PM

If we get rid of the current idiots in DC and elect common sense conservatives for a while that is.

They will be competing for attention of the LIV with Miley Cyrus’s Twerking antics but we can try…

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

So absolutely yes, it is a huge victory for the USA…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Just like Obamacare.

hillsoftx on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

God, this will monkey around with the 6 interviewers’ questions. I can see oaf pretzeling himself “aha, uhh, I, my…uh, oahhh…ah”.

I’m so proud of our preezie!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Fortunately, America’s credibility will not be tied to Obama’s credibility forever.

blink on September 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Pining for that day.

thebrokenrattle on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

[Fabozz on September 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM]

I agree. Taking up this proposal by Putin puts us in the position of them having to convince the world he’s doing what he promised and as is obvious, everyone will have an opinion on how well he’s doing. It’ll be a reputation buster if he doesn’t do it, and “trust but verify” will be entirely back in vogue.

The best part about it is our troops won’t be put in harms way by Obama’s plan and the possibility that we will ever have to spend precious blood and treasure to secure them will almost vanish.

Lastly, we will have a another and larger precedent for the reversing the trend for the proliferation of CBN weapons, which can be used to great effect with another one or two obstinate rogue countries I won’t mention the names of.

Oh, and if you want to add in crass politics, having Republicans be responsible for pushing this to fruition will ought to be a great sales pitch for 2014.

Dusty on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

I take back what I said about it being a troll free day.

CurtZHP on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

It’s lamentable that the HA trolls are this stupid.

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Wow, you were able to type that without removing your lips from Obama’s private parts – impressive.

Do you ever weary of being so abjectly moronic?

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

This whole Syria episode showed that many on our side are not different than many on the left… for them USA = Who is President… Very sad indeed…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

No matter how this turns out, America’s “prestige” in the world is seriously weakened.

Only one player is to blame for that.

And it is not Vladimir Putin.

coldwarrior on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Putin & Xi Jingping – 3D chess

Obama & Smart Power Brain Trust – Spades with Reggie

workingclass artist on September 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM

The US has lost so much credibility in the last 30 days, I just can’t wait to see the next 1228 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes and 45 seconds.

portlandon on September 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Isn’t that the truth. How sad.

gophergirl on September 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Just when it seems like Obama can’t look any dumber, Putin one-ups him again.

To think this is a victory for Obama is just naive. Putin would never offer a deal that would make things easy for America. He’s just made himself look like Superman, thrown the entire Beltway into chaos like an overturned anthill and forced President Twerkypants (T/Y Mark Steyn) to completely reformulate his six interviews to be taped this afternoon. Does anybody in the WH think that fast?

Assad must be clutching his sides laughing. Given the amount of time it will take to put the Russian plan in place, all he has to do is assemble enough chemical weapons to make it look good and stash the rest.

timmytee on September 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

This whole Syria episode showed that many on our side are not different than many on the left… for them USA = Who is President… Very sad indeed…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:29 PM

You should probably go and quietly love America more than the rest of us in some dark corner somewhere.

NotCoach on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

God, this will monkey around with the 6 interviewers’ questions. I can see oaf pretzeling himself “aha, uhh, I, my…uh, oahhh…ah”.

I’m so proud of our preezie!

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

I have a feeling that those interviews might just be postponed “due to breaking developments” as it were. Can’t have Obama going off script as that is what got us into the incredible mess in the first place.

Johnnyreb on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Putin really put the wrench in Zero’s talking points with these moves.

Will Zero press ahead for an attack after an offer of diplomacy? Is Hans Blix still around?

dogsoldier on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Will obozo call and congratulate Putin when he wins his Nobel Peace Prize?

Flange on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Really? Google “Deter and Degrade Assad Chemical Weapons” and you will find how many times this was mentioned as the goal of the strikes against him…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Not your goals though?

Assad will never fight Israel directly using his own army but Assad because he will be destroyed in few days but Assad has supported every terrorist group against Israel… His does his wars against Israel by proxy using terrorists groups… Israel strategic goal is to greatly weaken Iran and the at the end the total fall of the Iranian Islamic terrorist regime… That should be our strategic goal as well… Hence striking Assad fire power will force him, Iran, and Hizballah to go into a long war of attrition against their enemies in Syria and hence will greatly weaken Iran and their Hizballah terrorists…

mnjg on September 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM

But you’re lucky. An Obama man and easily satisfied at whatever outcome. Even if that outcome was Putin in his grill saying “Wut, wut?”

smoothsailing on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

It gives everyone a chance to back off, save face…and of course AlQ/the MB will get to keep the ones that they have… and I bet they have more than Asaad has.

So obama gets a lot of what he wants – to have his brothers better armed than the government. RT agrees.

“This is a win-win for the US” –illustrious mnjg

Schadenfreude on September 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

But this is perfect, don’t you see? Gun control for US citizens, weapons control for World citizens. Because we all know bad guys obey good laws. How can the Administration argue against this logic?

And, it’s diplomatic, the UN loves it, it’s multi-lateral, Obama has organized the International Community by the sheer weight of his magical words and steely resolve, and . . . well, gosh. Besides logic, what’s not to love?

Boy, Obama is sure going to shine tomorrow night in his Oval address.

Lawyer Mom on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

How in this case Obama damaged our credibility? He said that the goal of the military strike is to deter and degrade Assad chemical weapons capabilities… Now without a single missile fired by our military not only we deterred and degraded Assad chemical weapons but he gave them up entirely for destruction… It has nothing to do with Obama… It has to do with the incredible power of the US military and their mere threat is able to do this to Assad… That is very good for our credibility…

mnjg on September 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM

You are the stupidest f*cking troll to f*cking troll these threads, and that’s saying quite a bit about the other f*cking trolls. I would normally never say complimentary things about those other moronic idiot fellow-travelers of yours, but with your sheer ignorance, you make them actually seem half-intelligent.

Do the gene pool a big favor, please – don’t procreate. In fact, go play in traffic awhile, just in case you might accidentally procreate someday and lower the collective human IQ in the process. We’re all suffering a bit just from reading the drivel you somehow managed to post.

No really; you might think I’m kidding – I’m not.

Midas on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Hey mnjg – it’s not a huge victory for Obama if Russia is responsible for the weapons! You know, Assad’s friend! In other words, they’re in cahoots – one lies and the other swears to it.

If Assad was really interested in giving up, why doesn’t he allow our military in? You’re really not thinking this through in your desperation to save Obama’s ego.

hamnj7 on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

So.. at 6pm tonight we will see O make his case for his war, which will air AFTER

Key West Reader on September 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I’ve remained pretty conflicted over all of this –
but would we be reading this sentence if the Syrian government (or Putin) ever doubted that a US strike was very possible?

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday said it welcomed a Russian proposal to avert U.S. military strikes by having Damascus turn over control of its chemical weapons to international monitors.

verbaluce on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Obama and the media will play this as a victory. Does anyone think the average LIV is going to know about what happens to the weapons next week?

rrpjr on September 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

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