Will Obama ignore the House on Syria attack?

posted at 10:01 am on September 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The vote on authorization to bomb Syria may have a chance to pass in the Senate, although no whip count at the moment has Barack Obama even in the neighborhood of the 60 votes needed to proceed to a final poll of the upper chamber.  Over the last couple of days, though, the momentum has gone the other way in the House, and Obama risks a humiliating and perhaps historic defeat.  What happens in that instance? According to a White House source talking with CNBC’s John Harwood, Obama may just ignore the House altogether:

Legally, Obama might be able to do this.  The White House has argued all along that it doesn’t need authorization from Congress to attack Syria, but is only consulting Capitol Hill to make global perception of US resolve that much stronger.  Obama offered a similar framing of his request for authorization in his weekly radio address today:

That’s why, last weekend, I announced that, as Commander in Chief, I decided that the United States should take military action against the Syrian regime. This is not a decision I made lightly. Deciding to use military force is the most solemn decision we can make as a nation.

As the leader of the world’s oldest Constitutional democracy, I also know that our country will be stronger if we act together, and our actions will be more effective. That’s why I asked Members of Congress to debate this issue and vote on authorizing the use of force.

If that’s true, he’s failed miserably, and it might get worse.  According to The Hill this morning, Harry Reid is having a very big problem holding his own party in line in the one chamber Obama finds indispensable:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is bracing for double-digit defections in the Democratic caucus on the resolution authorizing military strikes on Syria, which will get a vote this coming week.  …

With already four Democratic senators saying they will likely oppose the measure, the pressure is building on Reid to reach out across the aisle.

“If this vote were to fail, it will have huge consequences not only for the president’s domestic policy but also his foreign policy and for the people of Syria. This is about as high stakes as you can get,” Manley added. “How’s Iran and North Korea going to react to a defeat? How are House Republicans going to deal with the debt limit?”

Reid filed the use-of-force resolution on the Senate floor Friday, setting up a Wednesday vote to end debate and move to final passage. The critical cloture vote will happen on the 12-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon and the one-year anniversary of the Benghazi attack.

Well. there’s some brilliant management right there.  Reid scheduled a vote on whether we should attack someone fighting al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist networks on 9/11.  Want to bet Capitol Hill operators will need extra staffing that day?

If Obama can’t get a Senate controlled by his own party to agree with his new war, that should be game over.  If Reid somehow delivers the Senate — and that’s looking less than likely now — we’re still left with the option of ignoring the House and treating the Senate like an advisory council.  That’s politically dangerous, as it leaves Obama very isolated in a country that strongly opposes military action, according to Gallup:

Americans’ support for the United States’ taking military action against the Syrian government for its suspected use of chemical weapons is on track to be among the lowest for any intervention Gallup has asked about in the last 20 years. Thirty-six percent of Americans favor the U.S. taking military action in order to reduce Syria’s ability to use chemical weapons. The majority — 51% — oppose such action, while 13% are unsure. …

Among recent past conflicts on which Gallup gauged public opinion prior to U.S. action, support was highest for intervening in Afghanistan and lowest for the 1999 conflict in Kosovo. Americans were divided about U.S. participation in the NATO bombing in Serbia’s Kosovo region about a month before the NATO campaign began. The similarity is noteworthy because some analysts are comparing a potential strike in Syria with that military episode, in terms of scope, duration, and purpose.

The other three military engagements Gallup asked Americans about before they began — in Iraq in 2003, Afghanistan in 2001, and the Persian Gulf in 1991 — were all on a larger scale than what President Barack Obama proposes to do in Syria, and involved sending U.S. troops into foreign countries. All of these proposed military operations received majority support before they began. Notably, all of these conflicts, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Persian Gulf, were authorized by Congress and/or the United Nations at the time of the polling. Congress is currently debating whether to authorize military force in Syria.

Here are the numbers in comparison:

gallup-syria

The difference between these conflicts is the preparation the Commander in Chief put into making the case before it came to war. A year ago, this same administration attacked its opponent in the election for wanting war with Syria, for instance, in what turned out to be a bad case of projection — and did so just a couple of weeks after Obama set the “red line” for action.  Obama has done nothing since to build a case for intervention, not at home and not abroad, either.  The above chart is what a dilettante President gets.

Now Obama is isolated at home, and abroad. Only France has agreed to join the US on military action, but that might not last long, either:

More than two-thirds of French people are against the country taking part in international military action in Syria, according to a newspaper poll published Saturday.

The survey for French daily Le Figaro showed the country’s opposition to military action against the Damascus regime has increased markedly since the end of August.

Asked whether they would be in favour of French participation — which President Francois Hollande strongly supports — 68 percent of respondents said no.

That was an increase of nine percentage points on a survey published on August 29.

Obama may find himself entirely isolated in launching his new war.  Bypassing the House on military action now would produce the opposite of what Obama intended when asking for the authorization in the first place, and it would destroy whatever political capital he has left here and on the global stage.  Perhaps he should start thinking about the fact of his isolation and realize he’s alone on that limb for some very good reasons.


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Best summation of obama, evahhhhh

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Bmore – did that on purpose, my friend. The link is very significant.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM

What would Hitler say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0h3Y4QFAAE

gerrym51 on September 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Have not heard a peep from Michael Moore…what, no Syria 911 movie in the works???…

PatriotRider on September 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Rat Eared Bastard.

VegasRick on September 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Thanks VR!! Need a list:-)

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM

yes,

in the words of helmsley – “rules and laws are for common people”.

acyl72 on September 7, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Obama is the typical progressive….
I want to do what is best for ME and forget about the effects.

Obama will start WWIII because of HIS ego…..

And many Senators – Democrat & Republican are willing to start a larger war to salvage Obama’s presidency. They could not be more wrong. What will they say after Russia and Iran sink an American Aircraft carrier?

Forget about Syria and it’s people. It is a lost cause either way. Think BIG picture.
Remember what happened when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union?

If WWIII starts – Israel will be lobbing nukes into Iran……
Many countries will become black smoldering nuclear craters.
Hundreds of millions die and for what? Obama’s ego?

redguy on September 7, 2013 at 12:11 PM

OT:

Search is underway for a number of celebrities feared kidnapped.

Details …

TXUS on September 7, 2013 at 12:11 PM

“While both Sec. of State Kerry and Sen. John McCain have touted the Free Syrian Army as moderates, the videos posted by the group itself show that they were fighting alongside sworn al Qaeda jihadists in an attempt to ‘liberate’ the Christian village.

Maaloula may be a key religious target for Muslim jihadists fighters because of it’s symbolic significance. It’s a small village of about 3,300 people northeast of Damascus and one of few remaining places that still speaks Aramaic, the language Jesus probably spoke.

Previous reports had indicated that the attack on the town was carried out by al Qaeda-linked rebels. While it’s true that the al Qaeda affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra group was attacking the village alongside the extremist Ahrar al Sham, it’s now clear that the Free Syrian Army also participated in the attack.

The New York Times posted one video on Thursday under the headline “Free Syrian Army and Qaeda-Linked Rebels Attack Ancient Town” but failed to point out the connection to Kerry’s statements at the Senate hearing. The Times also posted text with the video under the subtitle “What We Know”:

In June, the United States committed to aiding the Free Syrian Army despite concerns that materials or money given to it might also benefit rebels linked to Al Qaeda. Malula is one of three towns in Syria where Aramaic is still spoken in daily life.

Other clips posted on YouTube by the Free Syria Army show more of the battle for Maaloula.

One video shows chaotic fighting inside Maaloula; the description posted says that it shows the Ahrar Baba Amr battalion of the Free Syria Army. Another video was uploaded by the supposedly moderate Free Syrian Army with the comment, “Thanks to Allah, the liberation of the ancient city of Maloula,” and shows rebels holding a position inside the town. A fourth video posted by the group shows a small group of rebels pointing at a building.

Maaloula was under siege for days until the Syrian government sent in reinforcements and forced the rebel forces into retreat.

President Obama will address Americans on Tuesday about his plan to launch an attack against the Syrian government…”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/07/Syrians-Rebels-Kerry-Called-Moderate-Post-Videos-Of-Their-Attack-On-Christian-Town

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Praying he does.Impeachment!

redware on September 7, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Best summation of obama, evahhhhh

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

That is hilarious and the comments are awesome too, LOL

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Have not heard a peep from Michael Moore…what, no Syria 911 movie in the works???…

PatriotRider on September 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM

He’s spoken and he’s not pleased. I read it on either Twitchy or Newsbusters yesterday.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The entire world has become racist, this is very concerning.

Bishop on September 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM

If he ignores congress then that leaves only two moral choices. Congress must immediately impeach him or resign…nothing less can save what’s left of America.

Don L on September 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Pryor is a no vote, and i suspect the other vulnerable Senators like Landreiu and Begich will vote no as well. Reid may not have 60 votes in the Senate. I will certainly call Cornyn and urge him to vote no on both a cloture vote and a final vote.

txmomof6 on September 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Legally, Obama might be able to do this. The White House has argued all along that it doesn’t need authorization from Congress to attack Syria

Really, O?

War Powers Resolution Act

50 U.S.C. § 1541 – Purpose and policy

(a) Congressional declaration

It is the purpose of this chapter to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgment of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.

(b) Congressional legislative power under necessary and proper clause

Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer hereof.

(c) Presidential executive power as Commander-in-Chief; limitation

The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to:

(1) a declaration of war,

(2) specific statutory authorization, or

(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

Has Syria declared war on the United States?

No, but AQ has and it is part of the ‘rebels’ of whom we are asked to arm and assist.

Is there yet any specific statutory authorisation for airstrikes on Syria?

No.

Has a national emergency been created by an attack from Syria upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces?

Nope.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Pryor is a no vote, and i suspect the other vulnerable Senators like Landreiu and Begich will vote no as well.

txmomof6 on September 7, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Yesterday, I read that she was a yea. Haven’t seen anything on Begich yet.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

And we still do not know who was behind that gas attack in Syria.

Going back two weeks, this question has not been answered with any degree of accuracy.

Kerry’s intel report, a week ago, contained language that said as much.

Somebody used Sarin, probably mustard gas, as well.

The key essential element of intelligence missing is…who?

Team Obama isd all focusedon “Sarin was used, that is unacceptable, we must do something” and not the primary underlying essential element of intelligence.

Simply, who?

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

So let Bark move and then justify it with whatever reasoning he can devise.

It’s dark humor but I’m enjoying listening to all the lefty trash supporting this attack.

Bishop on September 7, 2013 at 12:29 PM

So, who is floating a counter-piece of legislation to put Obama on notice that he can utilize no force against Syria unless it takes hostile actions against the US in its current civil war? The President gets to still defend the US, but not to offensive operations in Syria unless and until the Syrian regime makes it clear they are willfully attacking the US.

Really, with so much non-support for action, would this sort of thing be the next step to remind the President that he has limits to his offensive powers that are only meant to stop a clear, present and imminent danger to the US?

That should go pretty quickly if you start to see mass defection in both Houses and be the natural follow-up to all this bluster.

No you can’t use US forces as a part of your foreign policy unless and until we have an active enemy who is about to do something directly against the US. There is a civilian line of command and the rules are set by Congress, not the President.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The entire world has become racist, this is very concerning.

Bishop on September 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Hollywood is silently clutching their pearls as their collective moonbat heads explode…creating another environmental disaster rivaling Sharknado…

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Given the amount of hubris that Barack Obama possesses, and his inability to admit mistakes (it’s always the fault of someone / something else), the President has painted himself even deeper into a corner.

This corner will only highlight just how feckless and weak he is on the international stage.

It is very unlikely that both the Senate and the House will approve military strikes – but if that is the case, ‘symbolic’, ‘not decisive’ strikes that do not cripple the despotic Assad regime will still leave the President appearing weak and feckless as an Assad steps out before cameras after the strikes end. Even if regime change takes place, Obama is going to own the chaos that is going to result as Syria becomes another Afghanistan – run by jihadists.

If one of both houses of Congress vote down the authorization for military force, Obama can still launch the attacks – the WH insists he has that legal authority under Presidential powers (and the War Powers Act) – knowing full well that Congress will not take action against him (it didn’t in Libya when he even ignored the War Powers Act). But he still has all of the international downsides as above – and domestically, he has burned political capital on a losing proposition, appearing weak and feckless domestically.

His only viable option is the one his ego will not let him do – admit mistakes in his worldview / foreign policy and reset / re-triangulate his foreign policy – not unlike Bill Clinton’s efforts to re-triangulate in the wake of the Republican revolution in 1995-96.

Athos on September 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Isn’t it time to call in Joe Wilson and secret agent Valerie Plame?

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

The key essential element of intelligence missing is…who?

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

And he wants us to rely on the same intelligence agencies that he condemned during Bush.

I think that you’ll like my new piece on Democrats being ‘victims’ of their own success. I linked to it earlier.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

What difference does it make? – Killary

In the age of Jingobamaism where domestic news is manipulated by Legacy Network media heads married into & blood related to members of the current administration…The case for evidence will be made so that #Occupy Resolute Desk isn’t…embarrassed…

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Isn’t it time to call in Joe Wilson and secret agent Valerie Plame?

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I’m thinking the other Joe Wilson to speak for the majority of Americans.

‘You lie!’

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM
Hadn’t heard that about Landrieu, I thought she was in the undecided column.

txmomof6 on September 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Athos on September 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Good post.

In the end Obama will act only if he has a fixed entity to blame when it all goes south.

Presidentin’ is hard.

Has Obama ever taken full credit for things he has actually done wrong?

For that matter, what has he ever done right?

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I saw your “saints” pictures. Holy (/) cow!

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I heard Vapid Val and Joe were on the outs.

Seems, last birthday, Val served Joe yellow cake.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

For that matter, what has he ever done right?

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Unfortunately it depends on who you ask.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

How fitting, I hope there was chocolate frosting.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:42 PM

This Syria thingy is just a prelude to more crisis’ manufactured by Preezy Narcissismo McBombypants…

He is a laughingstock Citizen of the World & Narccissismo won’t take that very well…He must not be mocked

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Churches and abbeys all over Bavaria and Tyrol often bring these relics out for the various saint’s days.

A bit morbid.

But, enchantingly colorful.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I saw your “saints” pictures. Holy (/) cow!

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM

It was an interesting period for the Church post reformation…

One that needs further scholarship imho.

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Legally, Obama might be able to do this.

I agree because the Constitution clearly says that the Senate, and not Congress, has the power to declare war.

EddieC on September 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

They are amazing.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

For that matter, what has he ever done right?

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I got Osama.”

I’m going to re-post a link I posted on another thread yesterday about hubris and nemesis. It comes from the LA Times in 1986, written by a Rand analyst looking at hubris and nemesis in the modern days across three bad actors of that time.

Substitute Barack Obama for the names used in that piece and, unsurprisingly, it fits perfectly. Some key lines that transcend the time to our own President…

It means that to varying degrees Castro, Kadafi and Khomeini Barack Obama must present themselves himself as virtual messiahs who have a special destiny to revolutionize history. They may propose monumental projects and societal changes that seem constructive and benevolent to their own subjects.

Moral goals may seem to prevail over material goals in their schemes… They thrive on high-minded rhetoric, the ability to shift blame to others, the politics of polarization and violence.

When it works, it’s his. He’s proud it’s called Obamacare – even though we know it will not work. ‘I got Osama.’ ‘I saved General Motors.’ ‘My economic recovery’. ‘I saved or created 4 million jobs’.

But more frequently, when it doesn’t work, it is ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

That’s why, 5+ years into his Presidency, we still see ‘It’s Bush’s fault’. ‘It’s the obstructionist Tea Partiers / GOP in Congress’s fault’. ‘It was because of an internet video’. ‘It was two rogue agents in Cincinnati’. Criminals ran guns to Mexican drug cartels, not his own DoJ / ATF. Bush lost Iraq, not Obama snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Barack Obama is a textbook case study of Hubris and Nemesis. Fecklessness and Arrogance. And that is why Jimmy Carter is sending him daily Thank You notes….

Athos on September 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Sophie, something for you.

What the hell is our oaf (plus Angela and others) bowing to?

Note the Russian/Chinese overlords.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So, who is floating a counter-piece of legislation to put Obama on notice that he can utilize no force against Syria unless it takes hostile actions against the US in its current civil war? The President gets to still defend the US, but not to offensive operations in Syria unless and until the Syrian regime makes it clear they are willfully attacking the US.

Really, with so much non-support for action, would this sort of thing be the next step to remind the President that he has limits to his offensive powers that are only meant to stop a clear, present and imminent danger to the US?

That should go pretty quickly if you start to see mass defection in both Houses and be the natural follow-up to all this bluster.

No you can’t use US forces as a part of your foreign policy unless and until we have an active enemy who is about to do something directly against the US. There is a civilian line of command and the rules are set by Congress, not the President.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I’m hoping enough Republicans in Congress are interested in the evidence that this is a manufactured Gulf of Tonkin incident designed to draw the US into the Syrian C-War.

What did the president know and when did he know it?

slickwillie2001 on September 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

From Politico:

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent a fifth letter to Democratic colleagues in a week in an attempt to bolster support for a measure to authorize a U.S. strike in Syria.

In the letter sent Saturday, Pelosi (D-Calif.) highlighted statements supporting the strike by President Barack Obama and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.).

“Here in California, we are blessed with the leadership of Senator Barbara Boxer, who voted for the resolution marked up this week in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,” Pelosi wrote to Democrats.

You cannot make up the stupid between these two crones.

onlineanalyst on September 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Schadenfreudelicious

The Syria vote has generated an intense lobbying effort by the left to pressure Obama to stay out of the civil war.

Liberal activists are planning candlelight vigils across the country on Monday night to urge members of Congress to oppose the resolution, and they suggest those who support military action risk political punishment in the future.

“Everyone who positions themselves as a progressive needs to think very hard about what their vote will mean down the road,” said Anna Galland, executive director of MoveOn.org.

At the same time, a large delegation of members representing the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobbying group with strong ties to congressional Democrats, plans to press lawmakers on Capitol Hill next week to approve the resolution.

The vote could carry implications beyond this year. House Democrats who represent liberal districts might face primary challenges if they support the resolution. The votes could figure prominently in several key Senate races crucial to Democrats’ effort to maintain control of the chamber during Obama’s final two years.

Incumbents in two closely watched races — Sens. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Mark Begich of Alaska — remain undecided. But Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, running for a third term, said in a statement Saturday that “at this time” he can’t support the resolution to intervene in Syria that lawmakers are expected to consider next week.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

“Here in California, we are blessed with the leadership of Senator Barbara Boxer, who voted for the resolution marked up this week in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,” Pelosi wrote to Democrats.

Indeed, onlineanalyst, this couldn’t be imagined in all the fiction of the world…

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM

2014 will be a riot!

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM

We have to bomb the place to see what’s in it. If you like your chemical weapons you can keep them.

jaywemm on September 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

China Sends Warships to Coast of Syria

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I read about this & Russian ships on this site:

http://friendsofsyria.co/2013/09/07/chinese-russian-warships-and-marines-heading-to-syrian-waters/

(The Marines mentioned are Russian Marines)

H/T of site: coldwarrior on 9/6/13 QOTD @ 9:38 AM 9/7/13

“Loose lips, sinks ships” or something like that.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM

On Russia/China and their ships…they are both smart.

1. If the US oaf now goes in, they are there, WWIII.

2. If he doesn’t go in, they proved to the world that they are ‘equal to the USA’, without much effort.

obama is not for the USA, not in the traditional sense.

He is the most transparent president in history, for those who have brains/eyes.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM

From last night’s QotD

Encouraging Al Qaeda is crazier than wrist-slapping Assad.

No military action at all is needed. Not “hitting Assad” or arming the jihadis (whitewashed as generic “rebels“)

And wrist slapping would mean an embargo and diplomatic shunning and petitioning all nations to isolate Assad until the one who ordered the use of chemical weapons was identified.

And if the rebels did the same, as is claimed, the one who ordered that use needs to be known, too.

And made a pariah among the nations.

But no more military involvement with Muslims.

It can ONLY fail… when our “leaders” are history-shunning utopian dreamers.

profitsbeard on September 7, 2013 at 4:09 AM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Is this for real? Not the AIPAC, but the left.

If so, then Congress is in the cross-fire. I play a lot of cards and that is not a good place to be, LOL You can’t win!!!

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 1:43 PM

He is the most transparent president in history, for those who have brains/eyes.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I got those vibes in 2007 and some of my friends and relatives acted like I had committed blasphemy. Not they are awake, thank God.

One in particular voted for him because of jobs, LOL He lost his job that was local and now drives over 150 miles round trip per day.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM

H/t coldwarrior, from last night’s QotD.

This makes them the ultimate racists, as they treat a half black man different, as a lesser, asking less of him.

Plus, the Ds, incl. oaf have asked the black caucus to remain silent in DC..

Isn’t that a modern form of racism and even ‘slavery’?…to shut black representatives up.

Wake up minorities. They consider you lesser.

Plus, never forget The Congo, Sudan and Rwanda. The Clintons and obama must hate dark people.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:50 PM

bluefox, yes, see all the links from onlineanalyst, myself and others, just above.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM

No idea what I did/didn’t do…

Here’s the Schadenfreudelicious link, for above.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:56 PM

OT, the cow lies, and she looks like a parachute. What a stupid model for topic.

“You lie” truest words ever said about the obamas.

What a scumhag and what stupid media.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM

A very good analysis titled ‘End Game’….

But Obama has reached the sorry stage of dejection that only the most soundly defeated generals experience when they looked down at a shrunken position. He is whupped. He’s Gamelin before Rundstedt. He’s Perceval marching in his shorts in a toothbrush mustache to a grinning Yamashita in his two-toned Imperial Japanese Army uniform.

Obama’s all out of confidence. He hardly seems to believe the things he says himself, as if whistling past the graveyard, making noises to make it seem as if he had company. It seems an absurdity to forge ahead under these circumstances, to start a war — or whatever you want to call it — when Obama himself has declared an utter disinterest in its outcome, regime change, or even in taking sides.

It is all about ego – Obama’s ego.

What he is ignoring is that taking this step in an effort to ‘fix’ his reputation of being feckless and weak will only make him appear more feckless and weak.

Is there something behind leading from behind? Because that is where Obama is now.

Athos on September 7, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Thanks. The first link had 3 forward slashes for some reason:-)

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Athos on September 7, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Yes his ego is involved, but that is not the reason he wants to attack Syria. The Chemical Weapons issue is the “excuse” The reason is Oil & Natural Gas and there are a lot of players. Everyone is picking sides. China, Russia, Qatar, Syria, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Perhaps others. Not sure which Country this Administration has sided with.

That is the conclusion I’ve come to after reading the info on that.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

caught in the middle between AIPAC and his radical left, anti-war supporters…not an enviable place to be :)…

jimver on September 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Anybody thinking about the ramifications of that?

Meremortal on September 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Isn’t a jetliner a WMD when one flies it into a high rise?

I’m not being a smart ass. They have had WMDs all along. They had an accident when attempting to weaponize Ebola a couple years ago and a similar misfortune while working with bubonic plague.

The problem is our definitions. They have poison gas. They have biotoxic agents too. At the very least anthrax and ricin. At the very worst, they had some success with a hemorrhagic agent.

They have viruses and they have no problem with suicide attacks.

I predicted we would see chemical attacks in Syria. We will see that here in the U.S. too, and worse.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

That is the conclusion I’ve come to after reading the info on that.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM

In the end it’s always about money and poswer, eh? Usually. This time, I think it’s just because Obama is just a nut case. He’s crazy, like actually insane.

This is way beyond bipolar or ADHD.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I can hardly wait until Tuesday night.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I’m sure this has been posted somewhere, but in case it hasn’t.
The date on this is 9/2/13. A nice graph of the state of the Syria vote in Congress, R’s & D’s etc.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/where-lawmakers-stand-on-syria/

Via Redstate: http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/06/where-congress-stands-on-syria/

I’ve always found that “undecideds” are waiting on orders or money and vote the wrong way.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

This is way beyond bipolar or ADHD.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

You may be giving him too much credit. Remember, he’s the puppet, not the puppeteer. There is a reason he uses a teleprompter.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Land needs some sanity back.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I’ve always found that “undecideds” are waiting on orders or money and vote the wrong way.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Usually. But they don’t want to lose their jobs. Enlightened self interest is powerfully motivating. Zero doesn’t have to face voters.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 3:23 PM

WH might accept Senate-only approval of Syria strikes.

Well since he apparently doesn’t need the Senate for his cabinet appointments, I guess this gives them new purpose.

Nutstuyu on September 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Land needs some sanity back.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Heh…Guess I’ll have to tape or watch that Sunday show:-)

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Usually. But they don’t want to lose their jobs. Enlightened self interest is powerfully motivating. Zero doesn’t have to face voters.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 3:23 PM

So true. Although I didn’t care that Boehner is going to put off the House vote for a week or maybe two. That is why I’m skeptical. Hopefully, they will get more calls starting Monday!!

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM

In the end it’s always about money and poswer, eh? Usually. This time, I think it’s just because Obama is just a nut case. He’s crazy, like actually insane.

This is way beyond bipolar or ADHD.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

He is. An imbecile that thinks he is a brilliant genius is FAR more dangerous than an imbecile that knows his limits. The REB is the former.

slickwillie2001 on September 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

I don’t know about this Syria business, but a reminder to the rest of the world:

We Support The Troops

MichaelGabriel on September 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Well since he apparently doesn’t need the Senate for his cabinet appointments, I guess this gives them new purpose.

Nutstuyu on September 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Well, we will just have to melt the phone lines on those Senators.
There are 13 R Senators up for re-election and 20 D’s. Plus the 14-15 R’s that always vote against us. Those are the ones I’m going to target.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I think I see a way out of this for the Won, he could secretly pay Assad to declare war on the US —end of problem. I want my fee in gold.

claudius on September 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

If he doesn’t do better, than his weekly address, on Tuesday night, he’s going to lose bigtime.

I don’t think he realizes how foolish it sounds for him to say he’s approved the use of military force and then is going to Congress to get permission. I mean, after Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt said he was going to ask Congress to declare that a state of war existed between the United States and Japan, it wasn’t like, ‘after what happened in Pearl Harbor I’ve directed my armed forces to go on the attack.”

Are there no adults in this White House?

bflat879 on September 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Of course, Obama brought this entirely upon himself. Most Presidents would have spent their first term establishing some sort of working relationship with Congress, but Obama’s arrogant and narcissistic stupidity would let him do anything but demonize Republicans and attempt to cut Congress out of the loop by usurping dictatorial powers. Now, as Revrunt Wright might say, the chickens have come home to roost.

What an idiot! He could at least have sent some back-channel feelers to make sure approval was possible before he decided on a whim to go to Congress after all. Criminy, what a feckless fool he is!

But he’s our idiot, and we need to let the world know there is a price to pay for using WMDs. I suggest a limited resolution, not a blank check “authorization,” urging the President to make Assad pay “an appropriate price.” We know he doesn’t want to invade anyway.

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It doesn’t help that the Republican Party has turned into a bunch of sissy-boy peacenik wimps.

Adjoran on September 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

How does anyone in Congress get past the Benghazi fiasco. I’m not talking about just the attack itself but the lies about the cause and the detention of some anonymous Youtube video maker in jail? They lied, there is proof and no one cares so lets so bomb somebody that isn’t Libya.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I don’t know about this Syria business, but a reminder to the rest of the world:

We Support The Troops

MichaelGabriel on September 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

That was a nice tribute.

This is one that is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Facing defeat in one or both chambers, Obama on Tuesday night will announce that the attack is underway and use the occasion to “rally round the flag. This is his only means to significantly change the dynamic. And it makes the vote moot, win or lose or postponed.

matthew8787 on September 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM

My whip count in the Senate: Reid may have 54 or so votes but he’s gonna have real trouble getting to 60.

It would be refreshing for McVain, Lindsay and Ayotte to wake up to the fact that Obama is playing them. He has no intention of honoring any promises for hawk votes. They are truly idiots.

matthew8787 on September 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Facing defeat in one or both chambers, Obama on Tuesday night will announce that the attack is underway and use the occasion to “rally round the flag. This is his only means to significantly change the dynamic. And it makes the vote moot, win or lose or postponed.

matthew8787 on September 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM

i bet your right.

gracie on September 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Obama don’t need no stinkin Congress. He does everything by executive order — I’m surprised he hasn’t disbanded Congress by now. I’m sure that’s on his ‘things to do’ list.

Axion on September 7, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Are there no adults in this White House?

bflat879 on September 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

They’ve been in charge there since January of 2009.

Del Dolemonte on September 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

…is anybody talking about the economy, Fast & Furious, the border, IRS, NSA etc?

KOOLAID2 on September 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Aid workers in Central African Republic find villages abandoned, burned and evidence of widespread rights abuses, UN refugee agency says – AFP

Another candidate for the ineffectual bombing list.

Meremortal on September 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Copying from another page.

Passing this on. If true, a game changer and they are all lying:

http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons.

Tenwheeler on September 7, 2013 at 6:44 PM

If this story from the Examiner is true, people should go to jail.

Tenwheeler on September 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM

It doesn’t help that the Republican Party has turned into a bunch of sissy-boy peacenik wimps.

Adjoran on September 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I think the reason he didn’t think before going to Congress is that a pattern had been established. They have been giving him all he’s asked for since 2009 and especially after the 2010 mid terms.

And yes you are correct, we have no representation and he has no opposition. Grrrrr!!

I’m sure you’ve read the Resolution that the Senate passed. Appears very broad to me.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 6:54 PM

is anybody talking about the economy, Fast & Furious, the border, IRS, NSA etc?

KOOLAID2 on September 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Uh, no. It’s Syria 24/7. Funny how that worked:-)

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I can hardly wait!

Mind you the ‘red line’ comments were last election so where were these people about what a ‘red line’ meant? They’ve had since then to prepare for trying to stop this… long, long months…

So maybe we will see ‘mass protests’ and ‘candlelight vigils’!

Maybe a ‘thousand points of light’, even.

Or a couple of them.

Say, Cindy Sheehan, is that you with a candle in each hand in one in the mouth? OK, then, there you go.

And if you are part of the Anti-War Left and do protest: prepare for your IRS audit. They KNOW WHO YOU ARE because you have BEEN ON THEIR SIDE. You’ll love a multi-year in-depth audit. Hope y’all have been using HR Block or some other reputable tax preparer! Because you are now the enemy the moment you speak up about this. Sorry that you thought Obama was your friend and meant what he said.

He didn’t.

And, yes, you are the Mark.

ajacksonian on September 8, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Why is everyone so worked up about Congress being ignored? Obama sic’ed the IRS on ordinary citizens. We know he did it. Congress knows he did it. Obama knows we know he did it.

There should have been a dead stop halt to everything until Congress got to the bottom of it. You can forget of, by and for the people government. It is gone.

bluesdoc70 on September 8, 2013 at 7:25 PM

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