Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on September 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Obama administration is making an all-out effort to win Americans’ support for a military strike against Syria ahead of the president’s scheduled Oval Office speech on Tuesday.

White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough will begin the full court press by appearing on the Sunday morning talk shows to continue to make the president’s case that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad ordered a chemical-weapon attack last month that killed more than 1,400 and that the United States must take punitive action…

A senior administration official told reporter this weekend the push to win public support will also include National Security Adviser Susan Rice making a speech at the New America Foundation on Monday. The speech will take place the same day another classified briefing is scheduled for the House, the chamber in which Democratic and Republican congressional members appear most skeptical of a strike, despite large support from Capitol Hill leadership.

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With the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighborhoods near Damascus.

No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward.

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital…

An analysis by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, reported that a declassified U.S. government paper summarizing intelligence findings concludes that Syrian government officials were “witting and directed” the gas attack. But the evidence of who ordered it was not watertight, the analysis said.

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Marvin Kalb, author of The Road to War, a study of presidential use of force, agrees that Obama is setting no precedent in asking for congressional authorization. But Kalb is baffled by the way the president has gone about this. Obama is “building a new kind of precedent by first putting the world on notice that he has the authority to attack Syria and an attack is imminent—and then putting this projected attack on hold while he gets Congress to authorize it,” Kalb told National Journal. “He has, with this approach, reduced the power of a president’s word and America’s credibility in the troubled Middle East.” Residents of that volatile region are “scratching their heads” and asking, “What’s he really up to?” Kalb said, adding, “He is absolutely producing problems with respect to Iran.” Even before this, skepticism abounded that Obama meant what he had said about preventing Iran from gaining nuclear capability. “Now, the doubts have multiplied considerably,” Kalb said. No one can be sure how the president will respond to any evidence on Iran. Will he, as he is doing on Syria, ask Congress for authorization to strike Iran? Or will he, as he did in Libya, bypass Congress and act on his own authority?

***

As Obama steps up his push for congressional authorization for a strike on Syria, the president is coming under withering criticism by opinion leaders throughout the Middle East, according to a review by POLITICO and experts of Arabic- and English-language media in the region…

The increasingly unfavorable coverage Obama’s receiving in the Arab world – even [some] from the press in countries that support U.S. intervention in Syria – is doing harm to his image and influence, as well as further diminishing how America is perceived in the region, experts say. It hits especially hard coming at a time when Obama is looking anywhere he can, at home and abroad, to find allies for his plan to punish the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“There are (Arab) media who say the U.S. should do something and basically Obama is being a chicken shit about it,” said Lawrence Pintak, a former Middle East correspondent for CBS News and founding dean of The Edward R. Murrow College of Communication at Washington State University. “The main talking point is that al-Assad needs to be stopped, this is a humanitarian crisis the U.S. needs to move. The second set is that Obama is showing a level of cowardice in turning to Congress for political cover, that it undermines American effectiveness.”

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[I]f ever there was an “elephant” in a room, the Obama legacy is it.

A ‘no’ vote would be a “catastrophe” for Obama, said David Rothkopf, a former Clinton administration official who is now president of Garten Rothkopf, an international advisory firm.

“It would ratify the perception of him as a lame duck at one of the earliest points in recent presidential memory,” Rothkopf said. “He would appear to be weakened and unlikely to get much done during the remainder of his term.”

“I think a ‘no’ vote would be a huge slap at the president,” said George Edwards, a presidential scholar at Texas A&M University. “It would seem to tie his hands.”

It would hurt Obama even more if many Democrats – members of his own party – vote against him, which at the moment seems likely.

***

I was just talking to a Capitol Hill source who thinks there are maybe two dozen Republican votes for the authorization, no more — and there probably won’t be more. It’s hard to know because the situation is fluid, and the vote is so sensitive that Republicans members don’t even want the leadership keeping a tally of votes, for fear that it will lead to an effort to influence them…

If only a couple of dozen Republicans are in support, that means almost all Democrats have to vote in favor. Absent a big change that shifts dozens of votes all at once, my source expects the authorization to lose. “It’s hard to find a precedent for a president imploding on something this big,” he says.

***

“I’m sure a lot of people are focused on the political ramifications,” a House Democratic aide said.

Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), a veteran appropriator, said the failure of the Syria resolution would diminish Obama’s leverage in the fiscal battles.

“It doesn’t help him,” Moran said Friday by phone. “We need a maximally strong president to get us through this fiscal thicket. These are going to be very difficult votes.”

“Clearly a loss is a loss,” a Senate Democratic aide noted…

“Should the President lose the vote in Congress, he will be severely weakened in the eyes of public opinion, the media, the international crowd and the legislative branch,” The Hill columnist John Feehery said Friday on his blog.

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Meanwhile, Americans already opposed to bombing Syria are melting the Capitol switch board. “Over 560 constituents have contacted Broun by phone and e-mail this week and only two of them support military action in Syria,” an aide to Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., told National Review. “We have had a little over 800 contacts to our DC and district offices,” an aide to Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, told Katrina Trinko, “with about 90 percent being against intervention.”

And while the Senate will probably still vote for war, it does not appear that the administration is changing many minds in their favor. “After nearly three hours behind closed doors, senators left a classified hearing on Syria unswayed by testimony from Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey,” the Washington Examiner’s Tim Mak reported Thursday…

As bad as the situation looks now in the House, there still is a strong possibility that Democrats will rally around Obama and delivers the votes he needs to save his presidency. “At the end of the day, a lot of these Democrats are going to be with the president,” a House Democratic aide told Politico. “Because the choice is to vote against [the Syria resolution] and turn the president into a lame duck and destroy his credibility, or swallow it and vote for something that you’re not wild about. When you’re faced with that kind of decision, most of these fence-sitters are going to come aboard.”

***

Congressional aides in both parties tell me that the chances of President Obama winning House approval for military action in Syria are so bad they actually doubt the House would ultimately vote on it if failure seemed certain…

“I just don’t believe that if defeat is certain, the House leadership will want to see a president utterly humiliated on the House floor in a public vote,” one top aide to the Republican leadership told me. Should the full Senate vote to approve an attack on Syria — as still appears somewhat likely — the battle would shift to the House. “An attempt would be made to let the whole thing go away. I don’t think it would be done to give the GOP any extra leverage in debt-ceiling or budget negotiations — Obama isn’t the grateful type — but simply because the weakness it would demonstrate wouldn’t be good for the country,” the aide told me.

***

Radical-left actor Ed Asner was blunt with Paul Bond of The Hollywood Reporter about how celebrities won’t be mobilizing against military actions launched by Barack Obama: “A lot of people don’t want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama,” he said…

“We had a million people in the streets, for Christ’s sake, protesting Iraq, which was about as illegal as you could find. Did it matter? Is George Bush being tried in the high courts of justice?” asked Asner. “We’ve been so God-damned stung in this country by false wars, repeatedly, that, how can you believe in any just war with the history we have had?”

He feels sad he voted for Obama: “I voted for him, but I’m not proud. He hasn’t thrown himself on the funeral pyre. I wanted him to sacrifice himself. Instead, he has proved himself to be a corporatist, and as long as he’s a corporatist, he’s not my president,” Asner said. “A lot of people have lost hope — with the betrayals, the NSA spying … People aren’t getting active because ‘Who gives a shit?’ is essentially the bottom line.”

***

A point on how quickly public opinion has jelled. There is something going on here, a new distance between Washington and America that the Syria debate has forced into focus. The Syria debate isn’t, really, a struggle between libertarians and neoconservatives, or left and right, or Democrats and Republicans. That’s not its shape. It looks more like a fight between the country and Washington, between the broad American public and Washington’s central governing assumptions.

I’ve been thinking of the “wise men,” the foreign policy mandarins of the 1950s and ’60s, who so often and frustratingly counseled moderation, while a more passionate public, on right and left, was looking for action. “Ban the Bomb!” “Get Castro Out of Cuba.”

In the Syria argument, the moderating influence is the public, which doesn’t seem to have even basic confidence in Washington’s higher wisdom.

That would be a comment on more than Iraq. That would be a comment on the past five years, too.

***

I know that the American people are weary after a decade of war, even as the war in Iraq has ended, and the war in Afghanistan is winding down. That’s why we’re not putting our troops in the middle of somebody else’s war.

But we are the United States of America. We cannot turn a blind eye to images like the ones we’ve seen out of Syria.

***

[T]his really isn’t about Syria. The policy is not going to do anything materially to affect Syria. We may lob a few missiles in there. That’s just face-saving. Let’s face it. The real issue is the broader credibility of the president, the international credibility of the United States, especially vis-a-vis Iran.

This is really about Iran more than Syria. And by going to Congress and potentially getting slapped down, then our credibility vis-a-vis Iran is in shatters, and the president’s credibility at home is in shatters.


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B9!!!!!!!!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM

There is not a single person I talked to that is in favor of this gratuitous idiocy. Most do not even believe the videos are real. At least a couple are highly questionable. And if a couple are Muslim BS again….?

pat on September 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Emperor Obama’s Parlour Games

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Hi Sophie! Zero would probably love that pic!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

If he attacks, Øbama would fulfill his dream to be Al Qaeda’s commander in chief. US of Al Qaeda here we come.

Mojave Mark on September 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

The increasingly unfavorable coverage Obama’s receiving in the Arab world – even [some] from the press in countries that support U.S. intervention in Syria – is doing harm to his image and influence

The Lightbringer has already spoken, racists!

‘The day I’m inaugurated, not only the country looks at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently … If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country and I may be a Christian, but I also understand their point of view … My sister is half-Indonesian. I traveled there all the way through my college years. And so I’m intimately concerned with what happens in these countries and the cultures and perspective these folks have. And those are powerful tools for us to be able to reach out to the world … then I think the world will have confidence that I am listening to them and that our future and our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world that will ultimately makes us safer.’

- Barack Obama, 21 November 2007

How’s that Power Of Just Being There™ working out for ya, Barack?

lolz

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Hi Sophie! Zero would probably love that pic!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Indeed. Speaking of pics, today’s photo essay is a must see…

‘Indiana Bones’ and the Catacomb Saints (Photo Essay)

Miss Cindy Mumford said that if all of that gold was released at one time, the market would crater. Snicker.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Now its about Iran???
.
There’s no way hopey would risk having to give back that Nobel.
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WakeTF people !!!!
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SQUIRREL…..SQUIRREL……SQUIRREL

FlaMurph on September 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The Obama administration is making an all-out effort to win Americans’ support for a military strike against Syria ahead of the president’s scheduled Oval Office speech on Tuesday.

White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough will begin the full court press by appearing on the Sunday morning talk shows

Who cares? No one will be watching anyway. They’ll be watching the pregame shows for the first week of football.

Man, some of these political writers just live in a bubble.

PackerBronco on September 7, 2013 at 8:44 PM

‘Indiana Bones’ and the Catacomb Saints (Photo Essay)

Miss Cindy Mumford said that if all of that gold was released at one time, the market would crater. Snicker.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

So, so messed up. :)

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/09/indiana-bones-and-catacomb-saints-photo.html

Fascinating, though. I wish I could understand . . .

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Crazy!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’d guess it’s better to be told off by Ambassador to North Korea Dennis Rodman than strangled by Lattrell Sprewell…

Careful Dennis, Killary has a habit of getting ambassadors whacked faster than former Arkansas business and law firm cronies….

viking01 on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Hopefully nobody new will watch the Sunday morning trollfests tomorrow.

22044 on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital…

Is Dear Leader therefore admitting responsibility for Benghazi, the IRS enemies list, Fast & Furious, Holder’s incompetency, and everything else that’s occurred on his watch?

obladioblada on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Hi Axe!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I just saw a few minutes of Dr. Jasser making a pitch for the Syrian strike on Huckabee. He seems to think that the citizens of the country are now willing to keep the Islamists out of power. I have to say that considering the complete silence of “moderate” Muslims on any and all atrocities perpetrated in the name of their religion does not make me as optimistic as he. Until more Muslims speak out against terror, I am on the have at each other side of the argument.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

The Obama administration is making an all-out effort to win Americans’ support for a military strike against Syria ahead of the president’s scheduled Oval Office speech on Tuesday.

By going on the Sunday chat factory? Ask Susan Rice about that. The whore did the full Ginsberg spreading lies. She isn’t SecState now because of doing so.

Americans minds have already been made up. Tuesday’s speech is a meaningless attempt at saving face. Not the least factor being you can’t pretend there is an urgency to act when you announce a speech on a Friday for the next Tuesday (in large part because Monday is out because of football).

Happy Nomad on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital…

Dear Leader doesn’t even want to accept responsibility for his own red line statements.

obladioblada on September 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Man, some of these political writers just live in a bubble.

PackerBronco on September 7, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Noticed this. The guy’s expertise is international or global politics. He writes. Nothing about what he writes would let you believe he noticed the demonstrations in Egypt that led to the ouster of the government. That kind of thing, again and again.

They just seem to write things and repeat each other in a loop that never opens or passes through reality.

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Hi Axe!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Hello KCB, my friend, frequently called “Ken.” :)

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Actually I can see The Won goofing on some of “outfits” from the overly dressed skeletons you linked. Some of them were so him.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Quick! Someone in the media needs to mention Traaaayvon…

SouthernGent on September 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM

They are pretty macabre, but the work! Incredible.

To understand it, think about the destruction of the monasteries, etc, under Henry VIII. There were relics everywhere and people made pilgrimages to them. The people were really devoted to them. Some which just flatout fakeries, which the Church sort of used to create tourist destinations to raise money. There were cases of the Virgin crying tears of blood that were exposed as nothing more than fakes with the blood being from pigs and mechanically ‘cried.’

Destruction of relics, etc, occurred throughout Germany, etc, too although not on the scale or level of violence that happened in England.

Apparently, the Church felt the need to reintroduce them after more toleration became acceptable.

Dunno. Still creepy.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Emperor Obama’s Parlour Games

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Thank you, Sophie. Due to your picture, I now realize that we are dealing with Trelane, or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

Where’s Kirk when he’s needed?

cheers

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital…

I have been pointing this out for nearly two weeks…and if I can figure that out, easily, from here, well outside the Beltway. Well, we’ve idiots and Obamtrons, not adults, in charge.

Not one shred nor hint of intel from a recruited, vetted US intelligence source with direct access to the event…not on the ground when it went boom, but in the chain of command, Obama alleges is responsible.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Let’s just hope some of the members of the Obama Cult don’t do it to him in the future. It would be sickening.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I bet there isn’t a vote in either chamber. I don’t know of anybody that is for this strike.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

eon on September 7, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Snicker.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Incredibly shrinking 0bama…again?

Second verse…

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM

With the ugly pic of Barky on the front I thought this QoTD was going to be about the latest attack by another one of Barky’s sons or trayvon’s brothers, in Manhattan, that left a guy in coma. He said he was going to do somethign to the first white guy he saw … and he did. “We’re not sure what the motive was,” said police.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Crazy!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Indeed.

Hiya, back!

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Australia just elected a conservative by a landslide after having thrown the progressive out on her derriere.

HURRAY! :)

The new PM wants to put an end to the asylum seekers abusing the system, he wants to curtail mass illegal immigration, he wants to reverse the carbon tax program embraced and embarked upon by the previous administration, and a number of other equally sensible measures, most aimed at reversing the damage done by the previous administration, in the best interest of Australia and Australians.

If Australia keeps it up… I may have to emigrate. :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

This is really about Iran more than Syria. And by going to Congress and potentially getting slapped down, then our credibility vis-a-vis Iran is in shatters, and the president’s credibility at home is in shatters.


The only SHATTERS in this country are the BULLShatters in the political leadership and Kneepad Media

Beyond that, Mr. Brooks, the word you were looking for is tatters.

PolAgnostic on September 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

…picture ruined our evening!…but we’re tough!…let’s have fun!

KOOLAID2 on September 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

…*clink*…

KOOLAID2 on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I just saw a few minutes of Dr. Jasser making a pitch for the Syrian strike on Huckabee. He seems to think that the citizens of the country are now willing to keep the Islamists out of power. I have to say that considering the complete silence of “moderate” Muslims on any and all atrocities perpetrated in the name of their religion does not make me as optimistic as he. Until more Muslims speak out against terror, I am on the have at each other side of the argument.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Agreed. especially because throughout the Islamic world, the only opinions that matter are those of the guys with beards and guns whose interpretation of the Qu’ran boils down to “WAAAAHHHH!!!! KILL EVERYBODY!!”

Although to be brutally honest, that’s actually a fairly accurate definition of You-Know-Who’s opinion of anyone not definable as a Muslim.

/ROPMA

clear ether

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Got to give to the Australian people they learned from their mistake quicker than we did.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Going for a walk. Back later!

KCB on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I don’t know, I feel a shrine in his future. One of those times I am glad I am older than he and not likely to see it.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Indeed. If only this nation would show such sense and initiative.

Good evening, GG. :)How’s the toe?

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

PolAgnostic on September 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Pedantry, good pedantry, is an art form.

You, sir, are an artist.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I don’t know, I feel a shrine in his future.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Undoubtedly. The thought sickens me.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I bet there isn’t a vote in either chamber. I don’t know of anybody that is for this strike.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

McCain is for it…and apparently so does my RINO Senator Corker…

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Indeed. If only this nation would show such sense and initiative.

Good evening, GG. :)How’s the toe?

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Pretty much healed. Thanks for asking.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Eliminator – ZZTop

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I’m glad to hear it, GG.:) I know how painful that can be.

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

does = is

dangit

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

If they pass this in the Senate and then Boehner does not hold a vote in the House, I want Boehner gone immediately from Speaker.

KMav on September 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

McCain is for it…and apparently so does my RINO Senator Corker…

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Yikes I didn’t make myself clear – that’s what happens when you are following a game on the internet, watching another and commenting on a blog.

Basically what I meant to say is I think both chambers won’t have enough votes to pass it and they won’t embarrass Obama by voting.

Personally I don’t know anybody for this.

Okay back to the other 10 things I am doing at once

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I hate to say this but this is probably the time Obama should have decided to ask for forgiveness instead of permission. Gosh he looks like a mush.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Thug – ZZTop

Just ignore that last one… grabbed the wrong video. OOPS. LOL!

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

What about that gun ban?

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I personally don’t know anyone for it either, but that doesn’t mean my congresscritters won’t vote for it…

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I’m not sure, but I think it’s going to be repealed, too. I haven’t had time to check all the particulars, he’s got a lot on his agenda already, they’re trying to sort priorities, but I’m pretty certain Australians want that done away with post haste.

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

If Australia keeps it up… I may have to emigrate. :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Take me with, mate.
I am truly jealous.

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

does = is

dangit

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Don’t worry. It was close enough for the Hah-vahd Lawn Review … so long as you have affirmative action points to cash in :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

They are pretty macabre, but the work! Incredible.

To understand it, think about the destruction of the monasteries, etc, under Henry VIII. There were relics everywhere and people made pilgrimages to them. The people were really devoted to them. Some which just flatout fakeries, which the Church sort of used to create tourist destinations to raise money. There were cases of the Virgin crying tears of blood that were exposed as nothing more than fakes with the blood being from pigs and mechanically ‘cried.’

Destruction of relics, etc, occurred throughout Germany, etc, too although not on the scale or level of violence that happened in England.

Apparently, the Church felt the need to reintroduce them after more toleration became acceptable.

Dunno. Still creepy.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I’m totally into the weird. :) You probably don’t remember our, yours and mine, first conversation. Not important, just a flash memory — I called you weird and told you I liked your style, that it was comfortable. Skip it. Chick thing.

. . . it’s the devotion of the thing. Taking the gold and the set jewels, and lovingly fingering and arranging a dried out, brittle human skeleton. Turning it into an art piece, trying to make it more precious by decorating it with precious things. Dried bones are unpleasant. They crack and squeak and splinter. And those are human skeletons . . .

You’d have to look past it, maybe. To the person, no different from carrying the body of someone you love, or even moving the grave of someone you loved. Looking after something of theirs, like packing their clothes (or decorating their bones).

Still — this one goes to some really weird places. :) I almost want to go look at some of your abandoned ruins or drowned churches just to feel “haunted” a little — which is actually kinda pleasant. :P

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I personally don’t know anyone for it either, but that doesn’t mean my congresscritters won’t vote for it…

ladyingray on September 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I am pretty sure all of mine are. I don’t think my “representatives” have represented me since they’ve been elected.

Need to move to a red state.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Got to give to the Australian people they learned from their mistake quicker than we did.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Maybe. But to judge from the comments on this news item;

Abbott; “I pledge myself to the service of this country”

A lot of the Labourites are already figuring on giving him the “Dubya” treatment.

OTOH, his wife is a very elegant lady, and their three daughters are certifiably hot.

cheers

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I can see us, now, B9… lazing on a beach, drinking Aussie beer, eating shrimp… soaking up some sun… ahhhh! :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Evening All!

Judge Janine Opening Statement….she’s awesome :)

RWM….I’m still chuckling over the pic of O!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

If Australia keeps it up… I may have to emigrate. :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

It used to be very difficult to get immigration visas for Australia, which is part of why they did so well for so long. Then, they just turned belly up and let themselves be flooded with the dregs of society and the muzzie savages, to boot. It stands to see what’s left of the place.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I’m Bad, I’m nationwide – ZZTop

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Need to move to a red state.

gophergirl on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Would only help a little, you know. :) They’re rogue.

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

And diving the great barrier reef..sounds good to me! :]

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I can see us, now, B9… lazing on a beach, drinking Aussie beer, eating shrimp… soaking up some sun… ahhhh! :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Hey your not leaving me here!!!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Still — this one goes to some really weird places. :) I almost want to go look at some of your abandoned ruins or drowned churches just to feel “haunted” a little — which is actually kinda pleasant. :P

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

We think “weirdly” alike. When I was a kid, I devoured National Geographic every month. Not for the topless natives, but for the archeological digs. A Mayan temple complex overgrown by jungle was my mental playground. And this was years before anyone ever heard of Indiana Jones.

cheers

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I’m totally into the weird. :) You probably don’t remember our, yours and mine, first conversation. Not important, just a flash memory — I called you weird and told you I liked your style, that it was comfortable. Skip it. Chick thing.

I remember. Axie Baby! – of all people – calling someone else weird!!!

Still — this one goes to some really weird places. :) I almost want to go look at some of your abandoned ruins or drowned churches just to feel “haunted” a little — which is actually kinda pleasant. :P

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I know what you mean, but I still keep looking at them. They are fascinating in a macabre sort of way. The embroidery work is just fabu.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

… then our credibility vis-a-vis Iran is in shatters …

That ship sailed back when Obama voted “Present” during the Iranian Green Revolution in 2009 …

Barry’s FUBAR here reminds me of an on old cannibal joke:

Two Syrian Rebels are eating a (Rodeo) Clown. One says to the other: “Does this taste funny to you?”

ShainS on September 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Hey your not leaving me here!!!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

LOL CL.

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I read yesterday (somewhere on the net, but not the Onion) that the Russian LGBT leader told the media that during their meeting with Obama she told Preezy Thanks for your support but stay out of Syria…

OOF!

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 9:16 PM

“What’s he really up to?” Kalb said, adding, “He is absolutely producing problems with respect to Iran.” Even before this, skepticism abounded that Obama meant what he had said about preventing Iran from gaining nuclear capability. “Now, the doubts have multiplied considerably,” Kalb said. No one can be sure how the president will respond to any evidence on Iran. Will he, as he is doing on Syria, ask Congress for authorization to strike Iran? Or will he, as he did in Libya, bypass Congress and act on his own authority?

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Tut, tut, Mr. Kalb. The SCOAMF’s plan from day one has been to do NOTHING about Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon.

PolAgnostic on September 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM

RWM….I’m still chuckling over the pic of O!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM

It’s how he sees himself. lol

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Great comments all. Cannot say any better, only to sound like a broken record; Obama reminds me of my time in 5th or 6th grade.

steveracer on September 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I know what you mean, but I still keep looking at them. They are fascinating in a macabre sort of way. The embroidery work is just fabu.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

8th down, “St Valentinus in Waldsassen” — filigree, in pearls.

We think “weirdly” alike. When I was a kid, I devoured National Geographic every month. Not for the topless natives, but for the archeological digs. A Mayan temple complex overgrown by jungle was my mental playground. And this was years before anyone ever heard of Indiana Jones.

cheers

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

:)

Hey, ever see this? Not much, but it was trippy enough to hold onto the bookmark: http://gizmodo.com/archaeologists-uncover-hundreds-of-mysterious-orbs-in-a-486026749

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Jon Kyl is blabbering away on Judge Janine…he supports O because our (the U.S.) credibility will be in jeopardy. I wished she would have told him that’s over already.

lol, I am agreeing with Dennis Kuscinich…how weird is that!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Tut, tut, Mr. Kalb. The SCOAMF’s plan from day one has been to do NOTHING about Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon.

PolAgnostic on September 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Not exactly. He’ll move heaven and earth to keep Israel from inconveniencing the mullahs in any way…

clear ether

eon

eon on September 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Actually, I’ve been keeping track of Australia’s immigration stats, laws, and conditions for some time. They had a large influx of immigrants, legal and illegal, from Asia, predominantly. That’s not to say that they didn’t get some from African nation’s, etc. But overall, there problem has always been very limited compared to our own. Most nations are far more sane about immigration law and enforcement than this one has been.

If I go, it will likely be on a work visa. I’m naturally cautious and I’d like to live in a place awhile before I committed to remaining there. Also, Australia has strict animal import regulations. All dogs and cats must be in quarantine for 30 days, and they have to have a rabies certificate and a health certificate from a veterinarian written within a strict time frame before immigration. IF one lives in Hawaii for 6 months prior to immigrating to Australia, one might be able to do the quarantine at home in Hawaii ( 30 days they can’t leave the home) and then go to Australia without the necessity of a full 30 days in quarantine.
They don’t allow Bengals or Savannah’s ( hybrid cats) unless they can be proven to be 5th generation or more from the wild antecedent. They also have to do 30 days in state quarantine.

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Petraeus came out in favor of Spanky’s Syrian adventure. What the blazes does Obama have on him?

ElectricPhase on September 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

It’s how he sees himself. lol

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Yep, I am sure you are right. I’m sure while he was on the golf course again today….he was laughing at all of us. He’s going to do what “serves his purpose” not what is best for the country.

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I can see us, now, B9… lazing on a beach, drinking Aussie beer, eating shrimp… soaking up some sun… ahhhh! :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

As soon as SparkPlug sees this comment, he’ll be able to see it too. :) –Also, Nova. But he’ll be cool about it sip quietly without saying anything. Look for a chuckle to himself.

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Howdy. Just got home from an evening w/ Baptists. No-I’m not Baptist. My friend is. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on September 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

This is really about Iran more than Syria. And by going to Congress and potentially getting slapped down, then our credibility vis-a-vis Iran is in shatters,

LOL … what “credibility”?? This has nothing to do with Iran. man, they are really trying to pull everything out of their azzes, now.

and the president’s credibility at home is in shatters.

LOL. Again, what “credibility”? Barky never had any. He’s the most dishonest, obnoxious, stupid person to ever occupy the Oval Office. By miles. He has not an ounce of decency in his skinny little body. He doesn’t know what the phrase “good faith” means. He’s a jerk who hasn’t the brain of a chicken, even. His lies are intellectually offensive in their transparency and stupidity, though Barky is too dumb to come up with anything better. Dealing with Barky is like dealing with arabs. Big surprise, there.

But, as Ed Asner honestly stated (for the first time in his pathetic life), guilt-ridden, self-hating white leftists vote for Barky and support him because they “don’t want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama.” Yep. It’s all about his black skin. Lucky for them, since there’s nothing else to Barky but his skin … and his burning hate of America, but that’s just a bonus to the idiot left.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Petraeus came out in favor of Spanky’s Syrian adventure. What the blazes does Obama have on him?

ElectricPhase on September 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I’d like to know too!

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Axe, someone told me today that I was bad for releasing the text of Obama’s speech early with ‘We Must Attack Syria, ‘Cuz, Like, Um, Ya Know, Because…’ post, but, damn, mnjg and bayam worked so hard to win the First Annual Allidunce Hat Memorial competition. Allidunce HAS to be dead by now. She was too stupid to have survived. Even in a welfare state, the Darwin Awards are still handed out. lol

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

LOL! Of course not. :) We’ll throw another shrimp on the barbie and open another can of Fourex Beer ( or just plain XXXX) :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Ha, Newsbusters is reporting Obama has interviews this week with Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.

Gee, who’s missing? After all, he could even go on with “Conservative” Joe Schmoe and still get a tongue bath.

Marcus on September 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

BBlaterz

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM

LOL! Of course not. :) We’ll throw another shrimp on the barbie and open another can of Fourex Beer ( or just plain XXXX) :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

In my past life I worked with the Australians…..awesome people. I don’t eat fish or drink beer but I’m right there on that beach with ya’ll. :)

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM

8th down, “St Valentinus in Waldsassen” — filigree, in pearls.

So, what’s your opinion on the latest designs revealed during Fashion Week? /

I just realised it. Val is also the last pic.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Good luck to you. Everyone I know who’s gone there loves the place. But my friends who went in the 90s said that they couldn’t get work visas – that they were tough to get. Could have been specific to my friends – you know, related to the sort of work they were/weren’t qualified for.

I have read about the problem with the muzzies they’ve been bringing in, there, Can’t say that I have personal knowledge about it, just news reports here and there. Of course, it is a really big place …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Marcus on September 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Amazing O is coming down off the mountain to speak with Chris Wallace of Fox! I guess he’s afraid to have another face-to-face with Bret Baier. And trying to reach Fox’s audience that he has dissed for 5 yrs….ugh

CoffeeLover on September 7, 2013 at 9:30 PM

[I]f ever there was an “elephant” in a room, the Obama legacy is it.

A ‘no’ vote would be a “catastrophe” for Obama, said David Rothkopf, a former Clinton administration official who is now president of Garten Rothkopf, an international advisory firm.

“It would ratify the perception of him as a lame duck at one of the earliest points in recent presidential memory,” Rothkopf said. “He would appear to be weakened and unlikely to get much done during the remainder of his term.”

“I think a ‘no’ vote would be a huge slap at the president,” said George Edwards, a presidential scholar at Texas A&M University. “It would seem to tie his hands.”

It would hurt Obama even more if many Democrats – members of his own party – vote against him, which at the moment seems likely.

Please. Enough with the Histrionics. You win some and you lose some. Quit with the whiny characterization that if Obama falls down he can’t get up. The world won’t end and Barry, if he bothers to do a debrief to learn the lesson of the clusterf#@k of his making, can tweak the course of his activities as President in manner that will cause him to succeed in the future.

If he can’t do that, if he can’t take a setback without feeling all is lost, then maybe he should resign and let someone with a stiffer spine, like Joe Biden, do the job.

Dusty on September 7, 2013 at 9:31 PM

“I just don’t believe that if defeat is certain, the House leadership will want to see a president utterly humiliated on the House floor in a public vote,” one top aide to the Republican leadership told me.

A burst of honesty. Boehner would rather support Obama than defeat him.

Fenris on September 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Axe on September 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I have a brand new black bikini that would be perfect for Australian beaches. :)

Dark, rose tinted shades. Big hat. Tote to carry stuff… a towel.. a nice chiffon cover up and some strappy sandals for the beach bar…because I don’t drink beer… but a nice Hurricane cocktail might be nice…

Of course, I need about a 50 SPF sunscreen…

But my favorite time to go to the beach in at night… especially when there are clear skies and a gorgeous moon… :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

“I just don’t believe that if defeat is certain, the House leadership will want to see a president utterly humiliated on the House floor in a public vote,” one top aide to the Republican leadership told me.

A burst of honesty. Boehner would rather support Obama than defeat him.

Fenris on September 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM

So they’d rather slaughter people to spare Obama embarrassment. I wonder if they’ve determined how many lives would suffice to spare Obama any humiliation.

Of course this is how the political class thinks… these elite members of that very exclusive club know as congress…they are the political class… they hang together… and Obama is class president.

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Hmmmmmmm……

That’s it.

Just, hmmmmmmmm.

:-)

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I have a brand new black bikini that would be perfect for Australian beaches. :)

thatsafactjack on September 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Not cool. I am alone here with only my thoughts to keep me company.
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You just won a starring role…

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM

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