EU to Obama: Go back to the UN

posted at 4:01 pm on September 7, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Secretary of State John Kerry today said he welcomed the supposedly strong statement from the European Union on Bashar al-Assad’s chemical-weapons use in Syria — but he must have been reading some other publication.  The EU could barely assign blame for the attack to Assad’s forces, and urged the US to stop acting unilaterally and get back to the United Nations:

The European Union agreed on Saturday that the Aug. 21 chemical attack outside Damascus appears to have been the work of Syria‘s regime, but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a U.N. inspectors’ report.

After meeting with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the EU ministers ended days of division on the issue with a common statement that the available intelligence “seems to indicate strong evidence that the Syrian regime is responsible for the attack,” EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton said.

The EU nations, most of which have been skeptical on a quick retaliatory strike against the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, underscored “the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the U.N. process,” Ashton said.

The Washington Post heard it a little differently, though:

European foreign ministers on Saturday endorsed a “clear and strong response” to a chemical weapons attack that strongly points to the Syrian government, but they urged the U.S. to delay possible military action until U.N. inspectors report their findings.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, trying to make the Obama administration’s case for a strike, thanked the European Union for a “strong statement about the need for accountability.”

The “clear and strong response” advised was through the UN, however — and the need to wait for the inspector report is a pretty clear dig at the rush Obama is making to start bombing Syria. One has to read down several paragraphs in the Post’s report to find this out:

Information from a wide variety of sources confirmed the chemical attack, according to the statement, and “seems to indicate strong evidence that the Syrian regime is responsible” as it is the only party “that possesses chemical weapons agents and the means of their delivery in a sufficient quantity.”

The statement said a “clear and strong response is crucial to make clear that such crimes are unacceptable and that there can be no impunity.” But at the same time, the statement said the EU backs the need to address the crisis through the U.N. process.

The EU said it hoped a preliminary report of the investigation can be released as soon as possible and welcomed French President Francois Hollande’s statement Friday to wait for this report before any further action is taken.

As mentioned in an earlier post, Hollande has his own reasons for waiting. Sixty-eight percent of French voters oppose military action in Syria, and for very good reasons.  The last Western intervention in the region created a failed state in Libya, which directly led to a need for French military intervention in Mali to keep the terrorist networks freed to operate openly by Moammar Qaddafi’s fall from seizing control of the former French colony. The French electorate apparently perceives the risks of doing the same thing all over again in Syria.  Too bad that the Obama administration seems to be alone in missing that parallel.

This brings us to the hilarity of the EU insisting that Barack Obama stop acting like a cowboy unilateralist.  Isn’t this the same team that spent 2007-8 insisting that we had to act only with the approval of the United Nations? Obama blasted George Bush for proceeding with the invasion of Iraq without it, even though Bush could rightly claim a coalition of dozens of contributing nations for a full-scale invasion.  Obama can only get the French for just some limited airstrikes, and maybe not even them.  Now it’s internationalists like Obama claiming that the UN Security Council is nothing but “hocus pocus,” and Samantha Power calling the UN “paralyzed” and not even worth approaching.

Of course, these aren’t the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree when it comes to international relations, anyway. Allahpundit posted this in the Green Room yesterday, but it’s worth pulling out again in the context of the EU’s demand that the US engage at the UN.  If this is the candlepower we have operating in Turtle Bay, small wonder we only have France on our side at the moment:

Samantha Power, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, hoped that a team of UN investigators — many of whom, presumably, have a longstanding relationship with Iranian leaders — could write a report that would convince Iran to abandon its ally at the behest of the United States.

“We worked with the UN to create a group of inspectors and then worked for more than six months to get them access to the country on the logic that perhaps the presence of an investigative team in the country might deter future attacks,” Power said at the Center for American Progress as she made the case for intervening in Syria.

“Or, if not, at a minimum, we thought perhaps a shared evidentiary base could convince Russia or Iran — itself a victim of Saddam Hussein’s monstrous chemical weapons attacks in 1987-1988 — to cast loose a regime that was gassing it’s people,” she said.

Excuse me, but perhaps Power missed where Iran is trying to make nuclear weapons to wipe out Israel and take control of the Muslim world. The Iranians aren’t going to dump their strategic partner in the proxy war with Israel over some spilled Sarin. I’d be surprised if Iran’s favored terrorist group Hezbollah doesn’t have some access to those weapons themselves.  Anyone who thought that there was even a theoretical possibility of this happening should never step outside a lecture hall; anyone who bases American foreign policy on it should never step outside an MSNBC studio.

Smart power.

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Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

OK.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Didn’t fall for it this time.

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I think that we should build MORE nuclear power plants. :-)

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I agree from an efficiency standpoint, but current economics are distorted by the overwhelming blanket of regulations on nuke operators imposed by governments in first world countries.

When I sat in an energy forum in Perth a couple years ago (on the topic of nuclear power), energy industry executives warned against anyone who pretended to be pushing nukes but with “new technology”, because the regulatory acceptance rate of Advanced Gen III designs and Gen IV designs (e.g., pebble bed, thorium, and “mini” nukes such as Hyperion) is so glacially slow that those won’t see the light of day, generation-wise, for decades. Sad.

It’s directly because of the regulatory overhead on nuke plants that gas is so attractive in the current market. But nukes built in the 1970′s in the US keep proving how well they were designed, day after day, decades after expiry of their original design lives.

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Weather causing problems at Texas v BYU.

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM

As I said earlier Fukushima is closer to TMI than Chernobyl. Chernobyl is by far the worst reactor accident ever. Fukushima still has problems. Those tanks the media keeps blathering about are a real problem and the radiation levels are quite high. That said there are three ways to mitigate radiation dose. Time, distance and shielding. Over time radiation levels decrease because the isotopes decay. Distance because radiation dose drops off very sharply with distance and shielding is self explanatory. Fukushima will be a problem for years to come but the Japanese are pretty efficient and very tenacious. They’ll handle it. There is a possibility of groundwater contamination in the local area but I’m sure the government and the owner will be monitoring it closely and will take whatever precautions are necessary to protect the public. We would and their programs are similar to ours. If you’re interested in reactor accidents look up one for a reactor called SL-1. It happened out in Idaho back in 1961. In 1965 I routinely traveled a route that took me right by that site. I don’t glow in the dark.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

OK.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Didn’t fall for it this time.

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I did, and now I wish I hadn’t.

Flange on September 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 6:55 PM

That one is an obvious nut case.

Meanwhile:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/07/us-syria-crisis-attack-idUSBRE98603A20130907

Much of the U.S. claim that Assad is responsible was initially based on reports from witnesses, non-governmental groups and hours of YouTube videos.

Reuters is really beech slapping Clown Zero.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Here, Cozmo, you’ll like this one:

‘Indiana Bones’ and the Catacomb Saints (Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM

No way that Assad or his army killed a single innocent civilian in this entire war…

mnjg on September 7, 2013 at 6:43 PM

You little weasel, all here know that both sides are bad.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:04 PM

I did, and now I wish I hadn’t.

Flange on September 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:04 PM

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM
RWM,
I was referring to mnjg, just in case there was any doubt.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Agreed.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Why are you guys even engaging with that nut case?

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

No worries. I knew. He didn’t earn half of the coveted Allidunce hat for nothing.

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I remember when some of you had spines.

Adjoran on September 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Well, now our spines are connected to our brains.

Cleombrotus on September 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Some of us learn. Looks like you and mnjg are stuck on very stupid. Wake up, or go to Syria yourselves.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

And major political parties all over the world are working hard to propagate those myths, while those who do know are designing smaller, safer, more efficient reactors. And not getting to build them.

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM

For reasons I’m not going to get into here smaller is not the way to go with nuclear. Gotta build them big. A little bigger than a gigawatt electric is where you get the best bang for your buck.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM

LOL!

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I remember when some of you had spines.

Adjoran on September 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

“Dissent is patriotic” – learned it from all the leftists.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

get the best bang for your buck.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

? Bad choice of words? I don’t want bang. No bang.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

“Dissent is patriotic” – learned it from all the leftists.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

That be racist, yo!

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Yes, he ordered the take down of OBL, but lets not forget all of the extremely damaging intelligence leaks following the op.

He is not just out of his league, he’s out to lunch when it comes to any serious business at all.

TXUS on September 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

22 SEALs are dead, due to him and Biden.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

What the hell is this thread about anyway? I’ve lost track. Olympics, nuke power, trolls. It’s all over the place.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Isn’t it Pearl Harbor Day?

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

or go to Syria yourselves.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Best case scenario.

Kenosha Kid on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

This be new school warfare, yo.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM

If you don’t have a war-woody
and insist on playing in the worlds litter box with the assorted feces,
then you have no spine! Got it.

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM

don’t insist*

bazil9 on September 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

December 7th.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

? Bad choice of words? I don’t want bang. No bang.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

LOL, sorry, didn’t mean to upset you. How about “Best output for the required input”?

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

If I were Putin…

This is a marvelous opportunity for me to humble and humiliate the US on the world stage, but there’s more. I have shipped BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles to Syria; they should be unloading tonight, in fact. With Black Sea Fleet warships and TU-95s keeping a close watch on the Americans, as soon as the Yankees launch we will have the exact target coordinates dialled in. A perfect opportunity to test our weapons systems under combat conditions against the US Navy. Not to mention the latest anti-cruise missile defense systems that we’ve been airlifting in for the last week. Of course, even if Obama’s airstrikes hit their targets we’ve already dispersed the assets to mosques, hospitals, and elementary schools–and the video teams are on standby.

It’s good to be Tsar!

spiritof61 on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

That be racist, yo!

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:09 PM

1. obama and the Clintons are racists because they did nothing when multi-million dark people were hacked to death in

Thd Congo
Suda
Rwanda

2. Ed Asner and such say it’s “racist” if you oppose the Syrian whatever-it-is – hey, it’s racist to hold the first half black president to lower standards.

3. The black caucus in DC has been asked to shut up, go figure, in a free land, about Syria. It’s a modern form of inferiority for black congresscritters. They are not allowed to speak freely in obama’s America.

Heh, and we are called the “racists”.

May all of them be fluked into Syria, with adjoran and msnj too.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:04 PM

I thought you were going to be mean and put a close up of Helen Thomas or something. I might have nightmares now. Thanks:-)

Flange on September 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

I remember when some of you had spines.

Adjoran on September 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

“Dissent is patriotic” – learned it from all the leftists.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Bumper-Sticker-Carlisle-PA-Blind-Faith.jpeg

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

LOL, sorry, didn’t mean to upset you. How about “Best output for the required input”?

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Yeah, that’s better. Definitely not bang and nuke.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I have no doubt the Japanese will handle things well, look how quickly they had a highway repaired that was damaged by the earthquake in 2011 (only six days!!!).

If you want to compare exposures, look at what happened with the first Starfish shot in 1962, where plutomium rained down on the launchpad. It was an inconvenience but those guys went on about their business not long after radioactive material was recovered as well.

While I’m not making light of radiation dangers, I don’t buy into the China Syndrome panic crap either.

Some years ago, I had to sit through an environmental lecture (part of my MBA) where the instructor railed on the US, saying we were more “wasteful” than any other country on the planet. I had to take his environmental management class the following semester. One day I was bored, so I read through encyclopedia entries on atomic theory. After this, I approached the instructor, telling him about my reading and that I noted a paradox: the more efficient a power source becomes, the more dangers it poses to people and environment if it becomes uncontained. I asked him specifically how he would rectify his comments about “efficiency” when the most efficient power source currently known to man is nuclear power.

Response: “Wow, that’s interesting…let me get back to you on that.”

But he never did lol…

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Resist We Much on September 7, 2013 at 7:03 PM

That was just creepy.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I had read that smaller was the way of the future but will bow to your greater knowledge on the subject.

What about this?

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM

May all of them be fluked into Syria, with adjoran and msnj too.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM

I’ll kick in for their tickets. You KNOW they can’t swing air fare. Maybe they can be human shields for AQ!

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Take a lesson from Bishop on sark, mnjg.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:17 PM

What the hell is this thread about anyway?
Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Place holder ’til QOTD.

Some of us started drinking early.

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I’ll se you all tomorrow. Going to watch a movie with Mrs. Dog.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Now that Democrats have become “chickenhawks”, it’s cute to watch them preen after an engagement where the only foreign policy interest is to assuage 0bama’s wounded ego…

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

December 7th.

dogsoldier on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Remember Pearl Harbor? Legionnaire Bush Doesn’t
September 07, 1988|United Press International

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — In an address to the American Legion today, Vice President George Bush astonished the veterans by declaring, “Today is Pearl Harbor Day,” jumping the gun by three months.

Bush’s error dumbfounded the 6,000 people attending the 70th annual convention of the American Legion and set them to murmuring among themselves during his speech.

“Today, you remember. I wonder how many Americans remember. Today is Pearl Harbor Day,” the Republican presidential nominee said to a stunned audience.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-09-07/news/mn-1658_1_pearl-harbor

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM

What the hell is this thread about anyway?
Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Who cares?

Whatever the idiots are for, be against it :)

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Now that Democrats have become “chickenhawks”, it’s cute to watch them preen after an engagement where the only foreign policy interest is to assuage 0bama’s wounded ego

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 7:19 PM

…and his muzzie brotherhood.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM

For reasons I’m not going to get into here smaller is not the way to go with nuclear. Gotta build them big. A little bigger than a gigawatt electric is where you get the best bang for your buck.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Sounds like you’re a fan of Advanced Gen III, Westinghouse AP1000? BTW, guess who’s building them – the Chinese. Sigh…

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 7:22 PM

LOL.

Why would a self-proclaimed “citizen of the world” have a problem with going through the U.N.?

After all, there’s nothing special about the United States, right Barry? We’re not any more exceptional than say, Greece or Argentina or Yemen or any other country. Isn’t that what you told us, Barry? Our role in the world is no different than any other nation’s, and never has been — right Barry?

Only those jingoistic, flag-waving Tea Party hicks still believe in American exceptionalism. All the urbane, sophisticated, internationalist, Ivy League types — the ones with the super-fine creases in their trousers — realize that the age of Obama is a post-American world.

If it weren’t so friggin’ dangerous, it would be downright funny watching this arrogant gasbag having his own leftist idiocy rammed back down his naive and ignorant throat.

AZCoyote on September 7, 2013 at 7:24 PM

mnjg’s flung shit yesterday and it didn’t stick.

He is like Messina…let’s try to fool the HA folks…get a grip – these people smell your stink from thousands of miles away.

You and adjoran go to Syria.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Some of you fell for tiny little mnjg.

Laughed at it and you.

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:29 PM

obama, the creep – Drudge:

Syria’s ‘rebels’ and soldiers agree: Military strikes will change nothing…
PETRAEUS: ‘NECESSARY’…
Sen. Graham: If we don’t get this right, we could be nuked…

OBAMA TO LINK SYRIA WITH IRAN?

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:39 PM

http://floppingaces.net/2013/09/02/george-w-bush-was-right-about-syria-and-obama-pelosi-kerry-and-clinton-were-all-wrong/

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Great read, thanks.

slickwillie2001 on September 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Sounds like you’re a fan of Advanced Gen III, Westinghouse AP1000? BTW, guess who’s building them – the Chinese. Sigh…

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 7:22 PM

No, not really a matter of being a fan of anything. More related to fuel cycles, generation capacity and plant costs. I always felt that Westinghouse plants were more forgiving than the other manufacturers. But that’s because most of my experience was Westinghouse plants. Since no one has any operating experience on any of these new tech plants who knows how all that will work out. Things rarely work as advertised and my personal experience says that there’s no such thing as a silver bullet. Right now gas fired plants are the in thing but that could change quickly.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:41 PM

If it weren’t so friggin’ dangerous, it would be downright funny watching this arrogant gasbag having his own leftist idiocy rammed back down his naive and ignorant throat.

AZCoyote on September 7, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Yes but it is dangerous. Insanely so. He’s weak and as you said, ignorant. A really bad combination in a world with China, Russia and Iran in it looking to expand their empires. This man holds the nuclear trigger. That gives me chills when I think about it.

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM

davidk on September 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM

And the Dems and the MSM went nuts portraying G.W. Bush as ignorant.

Sad.

Going back to 2008…this is all on Obama….and the Dems.

Was a short window of opportunity, several years ago, to shut down Assad and enable a secular government to replace him…with no boots on the ground. But, Assad was a “reformer.” He was urbane, educated, had a lovely wife…and of course, we did not meddle in the internal affairs of other nations, according to Obama. Unless you were Honduras, at the time.

That window shut tight a couple years ago.

Any smart secular Syrians who could have been part of replacing Assad, softly, without bloodshed, have long since left Syria. Or have been killed or forced into refugee camps inJordan and Turkey by Assad and the AQ-Levant and other jihadi rabble.

We have a few here in this small city. They got out when it was still generally possible, with what they could carry or convert into cash before leaving. Not big fans of Obama…not because he wants to blow Syria off the map, but because he turned his back on them trying to curry favor with Assad.

Smart power, indeed.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Unless you were Honduras, at the time.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Amazing how we seem to have forgotten that little event isn’t it?

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM

It’s still morning for me, just finished my first cuppa. As for Syria, I was feeling a bit depressed that the Cold War had passed so long ago, but thanks to Obama, we’ll be back in the thick of it before we know it. One has to admire just how good he is at pissing off Putin, though (meeting with the gay Russians): nothing gets up a Tsar’s back like having some lightweight stick his nose in the Tsar’s domestic squabbles.

Next up, maybe 0bama can start needling Putin on Chechnya? C’mon, Democraps, I dares ya!

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Somewhere yesterday…But I can’t remember so I can’t link it I read that when Preezy McBombypants met with the Russkie Gay contingent the Gay Russkies told him to stay out of Syria…and I don’t think it was the Onion that had that story.

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM

obama, the creep – Drudge:

Syria’s ‘rebels’ and soldiers agree: Military strikes will change nothing…
PETRAEUS: ‘NECESSARY’…
Sen. Graham: If we don’t get this right, we could be nuked…

OBAMA TO LINK SYRIA WITH IRAN?

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Otherwise known as Floundering

In plain new skool english for the Jentel set…

I gotz some missles and I needz to use em cuz yolo…

workingclass artist on September 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM

EU? UN?

Who cares about them……..we have a new leader in the Conservative movement!!!!

Can we amend the Constitution to allow Australians to become President?

How about we just leave the US and ask Australia to let us be a state down under?

We’re cheering about this in Possum Holler! He’s not perfect but holy freaking cow…..he can actually COMMUNICATE SUCCESSFULLY!!!

When was the last time you heard this from a Conservative in the US after winning a national landslide?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/australia-election-2013-interactive

PappyD61 on September 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Pope Francis Prayer Vigil will be re-broadcast on EWTN at 10PM EST.

bluefox on September 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM

And to think he could have gone to the signatories of the Chemical Weapons Convention and asked for help diplomatically.

Sad that our President is so uncivilized as to seek war before utilizing the other and more civilized tools available to him.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Sad that our President is so uncivilized as to seek war before utilizing the other and more civilized tools available to him.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Sad that he is President.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Incredibly shrinking 0bama…again?

Second verse…

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Whoops, wrong thread.

cozmo on September 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Oldnuke on September 7, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Agreed, the Devil is always in the [operating] details and integration is always a beyotch lol, just ask Boeing…

Wanderlust on September 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Sad that he is President.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Well, yeah, that too.

But since he is the heart-throb of the Left, its veritable incarnation on a Unicorn, its epitome representation… its sad how uncivilized the Left has become through its lovely Lightbringer representative.

They all suck like an Electrolux.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Manhattan to EU:

Don’t tempt that Rat Ears to screw up Midtown traffic for another UN photo-op.

viking01 on September 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Those are bunch of lies…

bayam junior on September 7, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Actually here is the link to the acceptance speech after the CONSERVATIVE LANDSLIDE Down Under.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/abbott-i-pledge-myself-to-the-service-of-this-country-20130907-2td1g.html

Music to mah eers.

PappyD61 on September 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM

You got the headline wrong. It’s supposed to be:

FU to Obama: Go back to Kenya

The Rogue Tomato on September 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM

You got the headline wrong. It’s supposed to be:

FU to Obama: Go back to Kenya

The Rogue Tomato on September 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Heh heh heh. The last post is the thread winner.

Cleombrotus on September 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Is it finally ok to be against Obama and not be a racist?

MT on September 8, 2013 at 9:19 AM

It was a pretty pathetic statement. There was no defense of his assertions, which were as bald and rote as can be, so he’s just arguing from authority and relying on the strength of his reputation.

Dusty on September 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

You mean what’s left of his reputation?…not much I’m afraid…

jimver on September 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Do they not get it? The American people are overwhelmingly opposed to the US unilaterally attacking not because they are not sure enough that Assad was responsible but for a lot of other reasons like

(1) it’s not our fight, (2) Syria is not a threat to the US, (3) nothing to gain, (3)don’t know the consequences, (4) both sides are rotten with Islamist and/or terrorists, especially the rebels, (5) why should it just be the US putting blood & money on the line from the other side of the globe, (6) Americans are sick & tired of the damn bloody middle East with all its “Religion of Peace” people at each others’ throats (when they can’t reach ours as easily), … etc.

It doesn’t matter enough about that chemical weapons use. We don’t want to risk another war and we don’t want a lecture on “moral obligations” from a consummate liar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8R5GvwUFU8

Chessplayer on September 8, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If Obama wanted to use “smart power”, he would make all of this about the UN. He would find a way to turn this disaster into a worldwide discussion about the supposed purpose and function, ( or more cynically, the uselessness ) of the UN when these things happen. Syria is a humanitarian disaster. Chemical weapons have been used. What is the role of the UN? How can the UN enforce international law? Is the UN able to prevent Assad from using them again? If not, why not? If the Obama administration is ready to risk making enemies from every direction, worldwide, then Obama should stand in front of a TV camera on Tuesday and repeatedly question the efficacy of the UN. And they might find real support for doing so.

There should be some form of a cease fire enforced by a real international community presence, or UN peacekeepers in the area. Further, the UN should go in and destroy the chemical weapons.

Strongly worded statements won’t save lives in Syria. But dropping bombs aren’t going to save lives either. I oppose American military involvement in Syria.

Once missiles start flying through the air, Obama will lose an opportunity to engage the international community on the subject of the UN.

tartan on September 8, 2013 at 11:13 PM

And to think he could have gone to the signatories of the Chemical Weapons Convention and asked for help diplomatically.

Sad that our President is so uncivilized as to seek war before utilizing the other and more civilized tools available to him.

ajacksonian on September 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

+1

tartan on September 9, 2013 at 12:08 AM

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