Russia releases 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for March chemical attack

posted at 10:41 am on September 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Russia claims that it has definitive evidence linking a chemical-weapons attack in Syria to rebels and not the Syrian army.  In a 100-page report sent in July to the United Nations but announced last night, Russia claims that an inspection conducted by its own team after a March attack in Aleppo shows that composition of the sarin used in the earlier attack was not military-grade, and neither were the delivery systems:

Russia says it has compiled a 100-page report detailing what it says is evidence that Syrian rebels, not forces loyal to President Bashar Assad, were behind a deadly sarin gas attack in an Aleppo suburb earlier this year.

In a statement posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website late Wednesday. Russia said the report had been delivered to the United Nations in July and includes detailed scientific analysis of samples that Russian technicians collected at the site of the alleged attack, Khan al Asal.

Russia said its investigation of the March 19 incident was conducted under strict protocols established by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international agency that governs adherence to treaties prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. It said samples that Russian technicians had collected had been sent to OPCW-certified laboratories in Europe. …

Richard Guthrie, formerly project leader of the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, who said he had not seen the original report, said the Russian statement on the makeup of the sarin found outside Aleppo, which the Russians said indicated it was not military grade, might reflect only that “there are a lot of different ways to make sarin.”

He added: “The messy mix described by the Russians might also be the result of an old sarin stock being used. Sarin degrades (the molecules break up) over time and this would explain a dirty mix.”

But he also agreed with the Russian conclusion that the rockets that delivered the sarin in the March 19 incident were not likely to have come from Syrian military stocks because of the use of RDX, an explosive that is also known as hexogen and T4.

This throws a wrench into the works, at least for the moment.  While most assume that the August 21st attack was the first chemical-weapons attack since Barack Obama drew his “red line” a year ago, there have been several such incidents — just on a smaller scale than seen last month.  The reason UN inspectors happened to be on the ground during the August 21st attack was because they were conducting a follow-up investigation of the March incident after receiving the Russian report.

Even if rebels conducted the March attack, it doesn’t mean that Assad’s army is innocent of the August 21st attack.  It does, however, pose two big political problems for Obama internationally and with Congress. Assuming that a UN inspection team uncovers enough evidence about the nature of the chemicals and delivery systems used in August to make it clear that the Assad regime bears the responsibility for the attack, it still leaves the US intervening on behalf of belligerents who may also have used chemical weapons on the battlefield, which undermines the moral argument for military action even further.  And it’s likely that this report will prompt skeptics in Congress to demand a delay until the UN issues reports about both incidents to determine exactly who’s using what in Syria and whether we have any interest in intervening at all.

Of course, the Russian report could just be a big smokescreen of propaganda intended to derail Obama and the US from exerting its influence.  The UN inspection reports should straighten that out, assuming we wait long enough to get them, and that could take quite a while.  But if they can’t give US lawmakers definitive answers on the use of weapons and their sources, will Congress want to open up a new war based on nothing but assumptions?


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No matter what happens in future months/years, this will be blamed on the GOP. That should be a given in any “calculus”. (by the way, does anyone believe Obama ever took calculus? Ever?)

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Oh.

This is scary. I feel, there is something wrong in what our government is saying, but I hate to think they could be so wrong.

This could still be made up I guess, but it predates, Obama’s hysterics.

Democrats can not govern. They are just too dumb.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

So nuke both sides under the “Any WMD use justifies a nuking” principle.

Or better yet, sit back, wait for a winner while whacking any mole that tries to escape Thunderdo…er…Syria, and then deal with the unauthorized WMD use with extreme prejudice.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Of course, and Republicans will likely apologize… just to prove they caused all this.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

(by the way, does anyone believe Obama ever took calculus? Ever?)

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I doubt he passed algebra.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Obama lied.

meci on September 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Yeah, I’m just not buying a report from Russia absolving its BFF Assad.
Still too many unknowns to take any action on.

rbj on September 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

But if they can’t give US lawmakers definitive answers on the use of weapons and their sources, will Congress want to open up a new war based on nothing but assumptions?

We’re marching to war precisely based on assumptions. And the truth really doesn’t matter. This is all about bombing Syria because Obama wants to distract from all his failures. It is wag the dog and not warfare waged in an unclear half-assed manner.

Dems want Syrians to die to protect Obama. And nobody can argue otherwise.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Of course, the Russian report could just be a big smokescreen of propaganda intended to derail Obama and the US from exerting its influence

Nah, let’s trust the Russians. They’d never lie about chemical weapons, right?

calbear on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

A career in the intelligence business…and I have more faith in the Russian reporting than in our own.

How. Far. We. Have. Fallen.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

So, we re bombing the rebels and help Assad now?

Valkyriepundit on September 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

When I find myself believing Putin..the world is surely heading rapidly to meltdown phase..

katy on September 5, 2013 at 10:54 AM

More and more this sounds like a repeat of Kosovo. We need to stay out. If we get in, no matter what we do, we’ll be supporting the bad guys. Because they’re all bad guys. There are no good guys.

Chris of Rights on September 5, 2013 at 10:54 AM

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Murphy9 on September 5, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I doubt he passed algebra.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Based on CommonCore, he can’t even multiply 3 x 4 and come up with 12…

PatriotRider on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Yeah, I’m just not buying a report from Russia absolving its BFF Assad.
Still too many unknowns to take any action on.

rbj on September 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

We don’t have to buy the notion that Assad is really a good guy with a bad reputation. Nevertheless the only case that the Russians have to put forward is that there are holes in the case being made by the thin-skinned rat and his Jew-hating minions.

Seriously how many Americans want the US to kill innocent civilians in Syria (and possibly US sailors) based on the case being put forth by the administration and supported by Dems for purely partisan reasons?

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

So, we re bombing the rebels and help Assad now?

Valkyriepundit on September 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Only if Plugs Biden were in charge.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

The UN inspection reports should straighten that out, assuming we wait long enough to get them, and that could take quite a while.

I thought that the UN report will only determine if chemical weapons were used in the attack on August 21 in the Damascus suburbs and if so what type of chemical weapons. The report will not determine who did it.

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Of course, the Russian report could just be a big smokescreen of propaganda intended to derail Obama and the US from exerting its influence.

Turkish news agencies have also been reporting on this.

They were the first to report on the “rebels” being Al Qaeda over a year ago.

The press here either doesn’t care or doesn’t want anybody to know about it.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

This throws a wrench into the works, at least for the moment.

Ya think?

Of course too many US Politicians have Saudi War Dollars Stardust in their eyes…so if there is hesitation it will likely by of short duration.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Nah, let’s trust the Russians. They’d never lie about chemical weapons, right?

calbear on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Yep the Russians have never lied about anything… They have always spoken the truth, always…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

A 100 page report? Wow, that’s impressive. What size was the font? Were there graphics that took up big chunks of space. I refuse to give credit for the full 100 pages without knowing these things.

Sugar Land on September 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

But he also agreed with the Russian conclusion that the rockets that delivered the sarin in the March 19 incident were not likely to have come from Syrian military stocks because of the use of RDX, an explosive that is also known as hexogen and T4.

Probably not French in origin either…they are not big on hexogen. But, they are nuts, still, about Oxygène.

Making Sarin is not all that difficult…and making phosgene [mustard gas] is as easy as cleaning house.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Could our government be this wrong?

I know the Russians could lie about this, of course.

But Obama didn’t make bombing a possibility until after this report got to the UN.

Did we know about the report and discredit it?

Is this already factored into Obama’s plans, or is it news to them? Either way they have some explaining to do about it.

Could we be this wrong? This is worse than not finding WMD. Much worse.

What good is our intelligence service at this point? We keep getting it wrong, and we spy on our own citizens.

Do the Russians profile? It might help.

Are Democrats willing to go against the UN because they didn’t get the answers they sought?

This is a disaster. Talk about lack of credibility.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

how strong is the Jewish lobby in DC in all of this? anyone know?

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

But if they can’t give US lawmakers definitive answers on the use of weapons and their sources, will Congress want to open up a new war based on nothing but assumptions?

I don’t know about Congress (I hope not, though), but Democrat pundits will. The reasoning is simple:

Upon assuming Office in January 2009, one of the first things Obama did -of course in response to his opposition to the Iraq War- was to fire all intelligence-gathering resources, all over the world. He then replaced them with reliable progressives and the issue of faulty intelligence was rectified. Progressives don’t make mistakes, you see, so what Obama knows now, he can act upon with full confidence.

I’m surprised more people don’t know this.

BKeyser on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Based on CommonCore, he can’t even multiply 3 x 4 and come up with 12…

PatriotRider on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Obama is as stupid as he is lazy. He never got past “counting with Elmo” math. It would require both hands and a foot for him to come up with the answer to 3 x 4.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Yeah, I’m just not buying a report from Russia absolving its BFF Assad.
Still too many unknowns to take any action on.

rbj on September 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

We don’t have to buy the notion that Assad is really a good guy with a bad reputation. Nevertheless the only case that the Russians have to put forward is that there are holes in the case being made by the thin-skinned rat and his Jew-hating minions.

Seriously how many Americans want the US to kill innocent civilians in Syria (and possibly US sailors) based on the case being put forth by the administration and supported by Dems for purely partisan reasons?

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

The record of this administration is clearly one without integrity in serving the best interests of this country in both foreign and domestic policy.

This administration is all about Obama…not The United Sates of America or the US Constitution.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Of course too many US Politicians have Saudi War Dollars Stardust in their eyes…so if there is hesitation it will likely by of short duration.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

The government basically admitted that the US military will fight wars for Saudi Arabia for $$$.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I have more trust in what Putin and the Russians say than I do in the White House.

Yeah, that is where Obama has gotten us.
Vladimir Putin is more trustworthy and honest than the President of the United States.

Thanks, low-info-voters. You bought it, you own it.

DRayRaven on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

A career in the intelligence business…and I have more faith in the Russian reporting than in our own.

How. Far. We. Have. Fallen.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

National Intel?

Could we be this wrong?

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:01 AM

how strong is the Jewish lobby in DC in all of this? anyone know?

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Well, according to our SecDef the Jews run this country.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Could we be this wrong?

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Yes. Which is why any thinking American should be mad as hell that the administration is even considering killing innocent Syrians until more of the unknowns are resolved. I repeat, MAD AS HELL!!!!!

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM

President Smart Power is always the smartest man in the room…who spends a lot of time alone in rooms.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Of course too many US Politicians have Saudi War Dollars Stardust in their eyes…so if there is hesitation it will likely by of short duration.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

The government basically admitted that the US military will fight wars for Saudi Arabia for $$$.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Yep.

Disgusting that Obama pimps our military to the highest bidder in another chapter of a sectarian conflict that has gone on since the earliest days of the Mohammedians.

They are all crazy…inbreeding will do that.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Our media will cover for Obama of course.

We are doomed.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

how strong is the Jewish lobby in DC in all of this? anyone know?

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

What is your point? I am very glad that AIPAC which is the most powerful Israeli lobby in the US has called few days ago for attacks against Assad terrorist regime… The Israelis want Assad terrorist regime to go because once he is gone the Iranian terrorist regime and their Hizballah terrorists will be greatly weakened… It is major strategic victory for the US and our biggest ally Israel… I trust Israel judgment when it comes to Middle affairs…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

WELL IT LEAST WE DON’T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION battle anymore– we have a new battle to laser focus on.
.
we the people have more more serious worries about bumfeck Syria.
.
moose and squirrel, indeed.

FlaMurph on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Obama has made EVERYTHING political. I am sick to my stomach.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Nah, let’s trust the Russians. They’d never lie about chemical weapons, right?

calbear on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Yep the Russians have never lied about anything… They have always spoken the truth, always…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Yep, and your own government would never lie about anything either. *cough Benghazi cough*

If anything this is a good time to collate ALL the data and see what we find, especially since the demorats had to break the senate rules AGAIN to push through their “Let’s go to war” referendum.

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

I don”t want anything to do with this mess. Soviet propaganda lives on through rebranding.

Philly on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

To save dear leader and out ta loyalty to him…. the dems will try their darndest to start Obama’s war

cmsinaz on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Russia releases 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for March chemical attack

Wow, so this has degenerated into a Skunk pizzing contest??

ToddPA on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I love Israel. But Israel’s loyalties are to Israel. Our interests will not always line up.

We need to protect Israel, but we don’t need to commit suicide for them.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:01 AM

With guys like Jim Clapper minding the store? Jim’s tenure as Director of National Intelligence has been mistake after mistake…piled upon faulty assumption and preconceived notions. The Moslem Brotherhood are just like the Republican or Democrat party…and are secular not at all religious in nature…remember that Clapper-trap Jim presented in Congressional testimony.

Benghazi ring a bell?

One other thing…there are Russian intelligence professionals on the ground all over Syria.

Ours are elsewhere. Flying drones. Producing Power Point presentations. Paying foreign security services to provide them with reports. And a lot more. Or should I say, a lot less?

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I have more trust in what Putin and the Russians say than I do in the White House.

Yeah, that is where Obama has gotten us.
Vladimir Putin is more trustworthy and honest than the President of the United States.

Thanks, low-info-voters. You bought it, you own it.

DRayRaven on September 5, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Incredible isn’t it?

Putin is being Putin…a fairly consistent bastard anyway…

Obama on the other hand is a feckless dumba$$ who keeps stepping on his wee wee’d up whenever he actually manages to find it to step on it that is…

But Y’know nuthin’ to worry about here since Obama has his own personal military to play with…according to Obamq.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM

A 100 page report? Wow, that’s impressive. What size was the font? Were there graphics that took up big chunks of space. I refuse to give credit for the full 100 pages without knowing these things.

Sugar Land on September 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Have you seen Obama’s report:

Four pages.

Of which, 3 1/2 pages basically state that yep, chemical weapons were used and some people died-we’ve got videos. I kid you not.

WisRich on September 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM

If the Russians said it, it must be true. They’re such a trustworthy bunch.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Making Sarin is not all that difficult…and making phosgene [mustard gas] is as easy as cleaning house.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM

You need very advanced factories to make both and cannot just be prepared in a garage or in a cave….

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Susan Rice to be scheduled on all five Sunday talk shows to debunk this “silly Russian” thing. It’s a “spontaneously created document”

Rovin on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

If the Russians said it, it must be true. They’re such a trustworthy bunch.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Hmmmmm, whom to believe. Our liars or theirs.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Susan Rice to be scheduled on all five Sunday talk shows to debunk this “silly Russian” thing. It’s a “spontaneously created document”

Rovin on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Touche’

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I love Israel. But Israel’s loyalties are to Israel. Our interests will not always line up.

We need to protect Israel, but we don’t need to commit suicide for them.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

We are not committing suicide for the Israelis… Israel is our biggest ally in the Middle East and when they say that a certain regime should go then I trust them…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:12 AM

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

ooh…touch a nerve? i simply asked a question…that was my point: the question.

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Hmmmmm, whom to believe. Our liars or theirs.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Neither.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I have, and can produce a very good mustard gas with household items. The only advanced equipment I would require is a high-end protective mask. A regular army-surplus one would work fine, but I have standards.

As for Sarin…a bunch of Japanese nut jobs out in Tokyo a few years back killed a bunch of folks in the subways with homemade Sarin…and they made it in a garage.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I’m going to reserve judgment until I hear what Colin Powell has to say.

Paul-Cincy on September 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

If the Russians said it, it must be true. They’re such a trustworthy bunch.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Hmmmmm, whom to believe. Our liars or theirs.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Let’s ask Snowden?

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Why do you think Israel would want a jihadi terror state north of them?

If Syria falls Jordan is next.

If Jordan falls Israel is gone. There is only a 20%~ non-Palestinian ruling minority in Jordan.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Yep, and your own government would never lie about anything either. If anything this is a good time to collate ALL the data and see what we find, especially since the demorats had to break the senate rules AGAIN to push through their “Let’s go to war” referendum.

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 11:07 AM

*cough IRS cough*
*cough NSA cough*
*cough Fast & Furious cough*
*cough Afghanastan cough*
*cough Arizona Immigration Laws cough*
*cough Texas Voter ID laws cough*
*cough drone wars cough*

etc., etc., etc.

Our govt. = the boy who called wolf

Deafdog on September 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

You need very advanced factories to make both and cannot just be prepared in a garage or in a cave….

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

No you do not. Your propaganda is becoming sickening. And certainly no one around here will be convinced by lies. Go Fluke yourself.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Even if rebels conducted the March attack, it doesn’t mean that Assad’s army is innocent of the August 21st attack.

So, we punish one side and not the other? More leading from behind?

Blake on September 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

In this particular instance, Putin would be foolish to release a report on the poor quality of the agent, if the UN report eventually says otherwise.

OldEnglish on September 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Some diagrams and/or aerial photos of the location would be nice.

Paul-Cincy on September 5, 2013 at 11:18 AM

BTW – Obama just clarified that the line he drew was actually magenta, not red.

Deafdog on September 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM

What is your point? I am very glad that AIPAC which is the most powerful Israeli lobby in the US has called few days ago for attacks against Assad terrorist regime… The Israelis want Assad terrorist regime to go because once he is gone the Iranian terrorist regime and their Hizballah terrorists will be greatly weakened… It is major strategic victory for the US and our biggest ally Israel… I trust Israel judgment when it comes to Middle affairs…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

well, thanx. sounds like john mccain and not what Obama has in mind. i don’t want us to engage in syria militarily. sounds like our congressman may be getting arm twisted by Israel. i hope they can resist and i think they will for our sake in the US.

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Wellllll Dick Durbin! Are we being misled into a war in Syria? Hmmm? What say you, Dick?

Vince on September 5, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Why was this kept secret by the UN and by the Obama administration?

Samantha Power has some splaining to do.

No wonder she couldn’t make it back from Ireland for that Emergency Secrurity Counsil meeting.

WisRich on September 5, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Ahem, just heard on Beck, the reason that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are willing to pay our military to go in and take out Assad, is for a natural Gas Pipeline they want to run thru Syria, Russia and Syria don’t want it…in a nutshell…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

If Jordan falls Israel is gone.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I wouldn’t go that far, but a bunch of Islamists, coming off of fresh victories in the region, certainly pose a grave threat to Israel. They may think, “Hey, we toppled everyone else. Why not Israel next?”.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Hmmmmm, whom to believe. Our liars or theirs.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Neither.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Yeah, I’d say so.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Even if rebels conducted the March attack, it doesn’t mean that Assad’s army is innocent of the August 21st attack.

So, we punish one side and not the other? More leading from behind?

Blake on September 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

We apparently like al-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood more than we like Assad.

Midas on September 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM

In this particular instance, Putin would be foolish to release a report on the poor quality of the agent, if the UN report eventually says otherwise.

OldEnglish on September 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Hmmmm, yes, but, I traditionally try to trust the US before Russians and the UN.

But… Benghazi, IRS, Fast and Furious, etc. etc.

I definitely do not trust the American media.

I sensed that the Joint Chiefs sitting next to Kerry was not completely on board with all this. Even Hagel seemed to be strained to say this was a good idea.

If Obama was secure… he wouldn’t have gone to Congress for cover.

And the UK parliament voted against.

All we have is Obama and Kerry. Two of the men I most distrust in the world.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Deafdog on September 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Always thought Obama was more of a Carnelian sort of guy.

A Maroon of some sort, to be sure.

Can’t see Obama admitting to Red. Not until after his third term in office, at the very least.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Hannity reported that the propaganda photo of the dead wrapped in sheets that were supposedly Syrian people gassed by Assad were actually dead Iraqi’s gassed by Saddam Hussein.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Hmmmmm, whom to believe. Our liars or theirs.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Neither.

Buttercup on September 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Yeah, I’d say so.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM

But it makes for a great editorial piece don’t it?! :)

Whom do we believe?

Their lying eyes, or our govts lying eyes… quite the conundrum, what!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

sounds like our congressman may be getting arm twisted by Israel.

gracie on September 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Are they? Whatever mnjg is, I don’t believe he represents Israel. He has made repeated claims about where Israel supposedly stands in this conflict without any proof of his claims. Is the Israeli lobby pushing for strikes on Syria from the US?

He uses Israel as a way to try and convince us we should support the deposing of Assad.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Well, if you take the arab street at their word. They have been talking about pushing Israel into the sea for years.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Blake on September 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM

opps. I missed some dates, this Russian report has to be about gas used before August if the report went to the UN in July… I might need to read this again.

We are talking about so many uses of gas that how can we get involved at all?

This is just nuts.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Well, if you take the arab street at their word. They have been talking about pushing Israel into the sea for years.

tetriskid on September 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Words and deeds are two different things. Maybe there will be another Arab coalition of nations launching attack after attack against Israel like we had in the 60s and 70s, but that doesn’t mean Israel is done for.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

We are not committing suicide for the Israelis… Israel is our biggest ally in the Middle East and when they say that a certain regime should go then I trust them…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Israel is one of Obama’s biggest enemies. Get a clue Obot.

The only “allies” this Administration has are the MB, and other Terrorist Organizations.

You should have been banned for your filthy nasty remarks to one of our HA commenters a few weeks ago.

Take your trashy talking points for the left somewhere else.

Did you ever answer RWM, genius?

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

“Even if rebels conducted the March attack, it doesn’t mean that Assad’s army is innocent of the August 21st attack.”

Right, Ed. It also doesn’t mean that the rebels are innocent of the recent attack! Frankly, when Assad is winning the ground war, it makes little sense to attack innocents, but Al Qaeda is prone to sacrificing innocents to further their perverted ends, wherever they operate!

Regardless, the USA has no national security reason to get involved in the Syrian civil war…..it’s a stupid idea!

tomshup on September 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM

From all of his posts I believe mnjg is probably a Syrian…a refugee, or emigre, secular, desperate to assist the so-called Free Syrian Army to come out on top.

Also desperate to spend American lives to do what his own people have not done for the last 30 years.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM

All we have is Obama and Kerry. Two of the men I most distrust in the world.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:26 AM

When you put it that way….. No more war! No more war! Genghis Kahn! Genghis Kahn!

Vince on September 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Oh the wicked ‘web’ we weave, when we decide to deceive, where will it end?

With american blood spilled for someones ideology, it cannot be?

Let Syrian fight Syrian if that is their desire…

Keep us U.S. the hell out of it!

Nothing that happens in the ME, except a direct attack on Israel, should motivate our govt to warrant engaging in another war/conflict with by or for Muslims!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM

by the way, does anyone believe Obama ever took calculus? Ever?)

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I doubt he passed algebra.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I’m pretty sure the use of calculus by decision makers is just a groovy pseudo-intellectual, shorthand way of saying, “I’m smart.” Actually means we looked at as many variables as possible, weighed them with and against each other, and came up with the following result (conclusion). It also is falsely meant to imply there is a mathematical certainty. There are algorithms used all the time in many fields, including intelligence analysis, but they are guidelines. They do not convey certainty.

rlwo2008 on September 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Ahem, just heard on Beck, the reason that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are willing to pay our military to go in and take out Assad, is for a natural Gas Pipeline they want to run thru Syria, Russia and Syria don’t want it…in a nutshell…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Hey Scrumpy!! I read the offer that Saudi Arabia made to Putin about that. But their requirement was for Putin to give up Syria.

Haven’t read what Putin’s answer was yet.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Regardless, the USA has no national security reason to get involved in the Syrian civil war…..it’s a stupid idea!

tomshup on September 5, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I agree and we don’t want our Military fighting for the Terrorists either!! And that is exactly what we would be doing. No boots on the ground? Right but that doesn’t rule out “combat troops”, since that term is in the Syria Resolution that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee just passed!!

Traitors all!!

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

This is just nuts.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM

In a nutshell!

OldEnglish on September 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Yeah! I was listening, but not close enough, so you have the rest of the story! How fascinating :) Thanks!!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM
You have no effen idea what you are talking about!

tomshup on September 5, 2013 at 11:39 AM

What I want to know is how the NFL is going to deal with the televised red lines they draw on the field? Is this going to be “a racist thing”?

Rovin on September 5, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Traitors all!!bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Needs repeating loudly and often!!

Traitors All!!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Israel is one of Obama’s biggest enemies. Get a clue Obot.

The only “allies” this Administration has are the MB, and other Terrorist Organizations.

You should have been banned for your filthy nasty remarks to one of our HA commenters a few weeks ago.

Take your trashy talking points for the left somewhere else.

Did you ever answer RWM, genius?

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Me, leftist and Obot? that is rich… LOL… and who the hell is RWM?

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM

and who the hell is RWM?

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Who is RWM? Somebody with a lot lot more smarts than you, and a lot more “cred.”

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM

See the Drudge Headline ?

“Putin calls Kerry a liar ”

Fun time ahead !!!

Jabberwock on September 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

That is why in Obama’s proposed CAUF he wanted to go after ANYONE using WMDs in Syria.

It is a Kill Them All doctrine built right into it.

Go after the regime.

Go after the rebels.

And that will mean going after the civilians since the other two will start to masquerade as them by not having uniforms.

Don’t believe me?

Look at Libya.

That is where it was first deployed.

ajacksonian on September 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Nah, let’s trust the Russians. They’d never lie about chemical weapons, right?

calbear on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Unfortunately, the Russians are probably more trustworthy than the Obama Administration and the U.S. media. I don’t recall the Russian government that a 40% insurance premium increase is really a 40% reduction.

bw222 on September 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Yeah! I was listening, but not close enough, so you have the rest of the story! How fascinating :) Thanks!!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:38 AM

:-) It takes a Village, LOL Or Gulchers! Been busy up here and with family things and, and….

You know that Putin has Obama’s number when he says things like this: Let’s Join One Another to Crush the Unholy, Unruly, Jihadi Muslims

I’m loving it!!

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Israel is one of Obama’s biggest enemies. Get a clue Obot.

The only “allies” this Administration has are the MB, and other Terrorist Organizations.

You should have been banned for your filthy nasty remarks to one of our HA commenters a few weeks ago.

Take your trashy talking points for the left somewhere else.

Did you ever answer RWM, genius?

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Me, leftist and Obot? that is rich… LOL… and who the hell is RWM?

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I’m confused.

I think they might be talking to me.

I don’t remember whatever nasty remarks I made… but I certainly could have done something offensive.

I do love Israel, mnjg, I just think we can both be faithful to Israel and not bomb Syria.

bluefox, if you think I am an Obot, that is quite funny.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM

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