Russia releases 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for March chemical attack

posted at 10:41 am on September 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Russia claims that it has definitive evidence linking a chemical-weapons attack in Syria to rebels and not the Syrian army.  In a 100-page report sent in July to the United Nations but announced last night, Russia claims that an inspection conducted by its own team after a March attack in Aleppo shows that composition of the sarin used in the earlier attack was not military-grade, and neither were the delivery systems:

Russia says it has compiled a 100-page report detailing what it says is evidence that Syrian rebels, not forces loyal to President Bashar Assad, were behind a deadly sarin gas attack in an Aleppo suburb earlier this year.

In a statement posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website late Wednesday. Russia said the report had been delivered to the United Nations in July and includes detailed scientific analysis of samples that Russian technicians collected at the site of the alleged attack, Khan al Asal.

Russia said its investigation of the March 19 incident was conducted under strict protocols established by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the international agency that governs adherence to treaties prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. It said samples that Russian technicians had collected had been sent to OPCW-certified laboratories in Europe. …

Richard Guthrie, formerly project leader of the Chemical and Biological Warfare Project of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, who said he had not seen the original report, said the Russian statement on the makeup of the sarin found outside Aleppo, which the Russians said indicated it was not military grade, might reflect only that “there are a lot of different ways to make sarin.”

He added: “The messy mix described by the Russians might also be the result of an old sarin stock being used. Sarin degrades (the molecules break up) over time and this would explain a dirty mix.”

But he also agreed with the Russian conclusion that the rockets that delivered the sarin in the March 19 incident were not likely to have come from Syrian military stocks because of the use of RDX, an explosive that is also known as hexogen and T4.

This throws a wrench into the works, at least for the moment.  While most assume that the August 21st attack was the first chemical-weapons attack since Barack Obama drew his “red line” a year ago, there have been several such incidents — just on a smaller scale than seen last month.  The reason UN inspectors happened to be on the ground during the August 21st attack was because they were conducting a follow-up investigation of the March incident after receiving the Russian report.

Even if rebels conducted the March attack, it doesn’t mean that Assad’s army is innocent of the August 21st attack.  It does, however, pose two big political problems for Obama internationally and with Congress. Assuming that a UN inspection team uncovers enough evidence about the nature of the chemicals and delivery systems used in August to make it clear that the Assad regime bears the responsibility for the attack, it still leaves the US intervening on behalf of belligerents who may also have used chemical weapons on the battlefield, which undermines the moral argument for military action even further.  And it’s likely that this report will prompt skeptics in Congress to demand a delay until the UN issues reports about both incidents to determine exactly who’s using what in Syria and whether we have any interest in intervening at all.

Of course, the Russian report could just be a big smokescreen of propaganda intended to derail Obama and the US from exerting its influence.  The UN inspection reports should straighten that out, assuming we wait long enough to get them, and that could take quite a while.  But if they can’t give US lawmakers definitive answers on the use of weapons and their sources, will Congress want to open up a new war based on nothing but assumptions?


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Are they? Whatever mnjg is, I don’t believe he represents Israel. He has made repeated claims about where Israel supposedly stands in this conflict without any proof of his claims. Is the Israeli lobby pushing for strikes on Syria from the US?

He uses Israel as a way to try and convince us we should support the deposing of Assad.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Yes AIPAC the largest Israeli lobby in the US support Syria strikes and that is great news…

http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-usa-israel-20130903,0,5523495.story

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Putin understands, lives, realpolitik, chess.

Obama gets befuddled with checkers.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Ahem, just heard on Beck, the reason that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are willing to pay our military to go in and take out Assad, is for a natural Gas Pipeline they want to run thru Syria, Russia and Syria don’t want it…in a nutshell…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

That’s no big surprise really…

Assad helps Putin continue his blackmail of Europe during the winters.

China aligns with Putin.

Iran wants to establish another Shia state cause it’s kinda lonely out there for them.

OPEC is a bit alarmed by our own capacity for energy independence & recent resources found by Israelis.

What else besides OIL do the OPEC nations have to sell?

Bottom line…

Sunnis will unite with Shia and drag along the other tribes against the Infidel and Israel.

Another chapter in the Crusades…except now there is secular Europe that is already infiltrated with entrenched Muslim populations and these are growing.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM

A bit too hasty.

Obama gets befuddled with checkers.

Except for that “king me” part.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Me, leftist and Obot? that is rich… LOL… and who the hell is RWM?

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Another HA commenter that cleaned your clock, LOL Then you ran away and didn’t answer which is typical of your type.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:49 AM

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Well said and thanks WCA!!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM

by the way, does anyone believe Obama ever took calculus? Ever?)

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I doubt he passed algebra.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I’m pretty sure the use of calculus by decision makers is just a groovy pseudo-intellectual, shorthand way of saying, “I’m smart.” Actually means we looked at as many variables as possible, weighed them with and against each other, and came up with the following result (conclusion). It also is falsely meant to imply there is a mathematical certainty. There are algorithms used all the time in many fields, including intelligence analysis, but they are guidelines. They do not convey certainty.

rlwo2008 on September 5, 2013 at 11:34

And I’m pretty sure you misconstrued Steve Eggleston’s making note of the humor in response to the One’s use of “calculus,” much less his being able to understand algebra!

tomshup on September 5, 2013 at 11:50 AM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Putin understands, lives, realpolitik, chess.

Obama gets befuddled with checkers.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Isn’t that the truth!!

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Infant Innocence by A.E. Housman, modified for today:

“The grizzly Russian bear is huge and wild,
He has devoured the infant child,
The infant child is not aware
It has been eaten by the bear.”

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and — you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows — (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq Syria yesterday

- Senator Harry Reid, 11-FEB-2009

pain train on September 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM

From all of his posts I believe mnjg is probably a Syrian…a refugee, or emigre, secular, desperate to assist the so-called Free Syrian Army to come out on top.

Also desperate to spend American lives to do what his own people have not done for the last 30 years.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Stop making wrong and foolish speculation about where I am from… I am an American and more proud American than you are… I do not change my pride in America based on who is President like many of you are doing here… You people are not different than the left wing lunatics who were doing the same stupid crap when Bush was President…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Putin understands, lives, realpolitik, chess.

Obama gets befuddled with checkers.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Putin and obama are thugs of the world.

Putin is respected.

This is a true story. The two were at a gathering a while ago and the gym had only so many machines. Putin got there when obama had already taken the last one.

Putin to the media “follow me”. He went into icy cold water, with ice all around, swimming, cameras all on him…

Imagine this of weasely eunuch obama…never…the bully Putin beats him every time, then asks for obama to pay for lunch.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Nothing that happens in the ME, except a direct attack on Israel, should motivate our govt to warrant engaging in another war/conflict with by or for Muslims!

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:33 AM

.
That’s not true, as things currently stand.
Free flow of crude at market prices, and such.

If we would FINALLY begin to “Drill baby, drill”, then you’d be correct. There wouldn’t be a problem.

Until then, the whole Middle East has us literally “over a barrel”.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

by the way, does anyone believe Obama ever took calculus? Ever?)

rhombus on September 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Is that a prerequisite for checkers? ROFL! Sorry, couldn’t resist:-)

There is a clue for you mnjg, LOL

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Yeah, I’m just not buying a report from Russia absolving its BFF Assad.
Still too many unknowns to take any action on.

rbj on September 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM

You need to ask who is going to benefit? Who benefitted in Libya?

Egypt? I learned that from Putin:-)

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Yet another reason why I love HA.

The deft use of the classics.

Me?

More like:

“There was a SecState from Nantucket, who told all of us just go f ourselves…”

What? Not in to free verse?

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I am an American and more proud American than you are…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM

I told you the other day that to say “I am a better American, or a prouder American….” by yourself, is very stupid. Quit this. You already look like an azz for having repeated it.

Not to speak of your comparison to one who’s been around the world, protecting weasels like you…coldwarrior…

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM

One day you and I will ‘talk’. It’ll be sooo much fun.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I am very glad that AIPAC which is the most powerful Israeli lobby in the US has called few days ago for attacks against Assad terrorist regime… The Israelis want Assad terrorist regime to go ..

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Then why is Isreal waiting for the US, instead of handling it themselves? At the very least, has Isreal offered to lend a hand militarily, if the US does take action against Assad?

It would be nice to see Isreal help with some of the heavy lifting for a change.

HarryBackside on September 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Yes AIPAC the largest Israeli lobby in the US support Syria strikes and that is great news…

http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-usa-israel-20130903,0,5523495.story

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Oh, you mean all of the Obama supporters and money baggers?

That is no surprise. But they don’t speak for Israel.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:04 PM

So. We don’t believe the Russians who do have samples and a team that had been there. We don’t believe the UN who only had a team convenient to take samples for the Aug. 21 attack because they were there to take samples from March attack.

So if the UN will present evidence that Aug. 21 was a chemical attack, will they not present same if they have samples from March proving the same?

oldroy on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The Israelis want Assad terrorist regime to go ..

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Don’t you use any logic at all? Good grief. Yes I’m sure Israel just can’t wait to have all of the Terrorists (those are their enemies) ruling Syria.

Are you from Rio Lindo? LOL

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Putin and obama are thugs of the world.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I disagree.

Putin knows and understands that he, Vladimir Putin, is Tsar of all the Russias. In reality, Peter Veleki and Ivan Grozny, rolled into one.

Obama pretends he is. In reality, Feodor I and Nicholas II rolled into one.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

All who support this Syria fiasco, I hope the bad ones chop off your heads, first. None deserve any less when Quaida and the MB take over Syria. Look at Libya and Egypt, fools.

Also, obama and Hillary own all the blood and the wasted treasure of the US.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Then why is Isreal waiting for the US, instead of handling it themselves? At the very least, has Isreal offered to lend a hand militarily, if the US does take action against Assad?

It would be nice to see Isreal help with some of the heavy lifting for a change.

HarryBackside on September 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Because AIPAC does not equal Israel (a before e, champ), while it increasingly does equal Rat Party.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 12:08 PM

And if the UN teams were in Syria to collect samples and investigate the March incidents, shouldn’t any findings from those be presented before the findings for Aug. 21?

oldroy on September 5, 2013 at 12:11 PM

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I agree with your statement, except with the “I disagree”.

None of that makes him a lesser thug/bully. He has guts and obama is an eternal nerd, pretending to be for the US.

obama, the narcissistic sociopath, is the most transparent president ever, just not the way the idiots see it, from all sides.

obama has been incredibly successful in diminishing the US and enabling his Utopian aims, including furthering is muzzie brothers.

Putin earns respect and obama doesn’t. The entire world knows this and displays it. These two days will be ‘great’ to watch.

The setting is glorious too.

Better than Versaille

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Until then, the whole Middle East has us literally “over a barrel”.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

That is Obama’s doing. But if we charged a few barrels of oil for every Illegal Mexican Alien in our Country for supporting them, we’d have oil. You know, Illegals for Oil:-) And every other Illegal coming into our Country.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Obsama gonna build one of those Petrodvorets palaces as soon as he gets back…Michelle will do the decorating…

After all, a guy with all that Chicago cred, livin’ in a White House?

Gots to do somethin’.

Probably use DHS funds for it, too.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:22 PM

So. We don’t believe the Russians who do have samples and a team that had been there. We don’t believe the UN who only had a team convenient to take samples for the Aug. 21 attack because they were there to take samples from March attack.

So if the UN will present evidence that Aug. 21 was a chemical attack, will they not present same if they have samples from March proving the same?

oldroy on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Why would this administration believe the Russians? This administration didn’t believe Russia’s intell they sent us prior to the Boston bombing either. Or did they?

~Knave

Renee on September 5, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Just called both my Senators…. have you?

google the name and get the numbers… and call.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM

If all the Congressmen (my Senators are both women) get calls 100 to one against are they going to vote against that?

Give your Senators cover. Let them vote against because their constituents are against.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM

bluefox, if you think I am an Obot, that is quite funny.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I was replying to mnjg, not you.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:30 PM

So nuke both sides under the “Any WMD use justifies a nuking” principle.

Or better yet, sit back, wait for a winner while whacking any mole that tries to escape Thunderdo…er…Syria, and then deal with the unauthorized WMD use with extreme prejudice.

Steve Eggleston on September 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Works for me.

katy the mean old lady on September 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Nah, let’s trust the Russians. They’d never lie about chemical weapons, right?

calbear on September 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Yep the Russians have never lied about anything… They have always spoken the truth, always…

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM

More or less than the REB’s administration has lied to us? IRS? Benghazi? Gun-running to Mexico?

Tough call.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Putin and obama are thugs of the world.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I disagree.

Putin knows and understands that he, Vladimir Putin, is Tsar of all the Russias. In reality, Peter Veleki and Ivan Grozny, rolled into one.

Obama pretends he is. In reality, Feodor I and Nicholas II rolled into one.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Putin understands what the Colonial British Empire used to call The Oriental Mind being of course part of that.

To understand what is going on here…one only needs to read the history…not the revisionist history currently in fashion but the actual record of events from the last century.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM

You know that Putin has Obama’s number when he says things like this: Let’s Join One Another to Crush the Unholy, Unruly, Jihadi Muslims

Here is your buddy Obama:

Obama tapes recording for US Muslim Brotherhood group “my administration is proud to be your partner”

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:37 PM

You need very advanced factories to make both and cannot just be prepared in a garage or in a cave….

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Nonsense. ‘Very advanced factories’ are only needed to make it in industrial quantities.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM

A bit too hasty.

Obama gets befuddled with checkers.

Except for that “king me” part.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Obama is the kind of guy that tips over the checkerboard when he sees that he is losing,
and then blames it on the wind…..

Obama supports terrorists, murderers, gangsters and thugs. Because when he grows up,
he wants to join the gang too.

Putin will mop the floor with Obama.

redguy on September 5, 2013 at 12:41 PM

You know that Putin has Obama’s number when he says things like this: Let’s Join One Another to Crush the Unholy, Unruly, Jihadi Muslims

Here is your buddy Obama:

Obama tapes recording for US Muslim Brotherhood group “my administration is proud to be your partner”

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Yeah, because Putin knows Obama is an Unholy, Unruly, Jihadi Muslim.

redguy on September 5, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Ahem, just heard on Beck, the reason that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are willing to pay our military to go in and take out Assad, is for a natural Gas Pipeline they want to run thru Syria, Russia and Syria don’t want it…in a nutshell…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

Scrumpy on September 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM

More on that, for reference, not to imply I agree: Is War With Syria Really About Chemical Warfare?

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 12:44 PM

It would be nice to see Isreal help with some of the heavy lifting for a change.

HarryBackside on September 5, 2013 at 12:02 PM

We don’t know exactly what Israel is doing because they’re playing their cards close to their chests…especially with the media…while our President and members of congress give our enemies our strategic diplomatic and military playbook.

We do know the Israelis are preparing for any contingency.

We also know Netanyahu is a proven leader who places his countries welfare ahead of his ego…unlike our own president who gets his jollies playing with “his military”, demoralizing US Citizens and driving his country to ruin and forming feckless knee jerk media kabuki disguised as policy.

so there’s that.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Notwithstanding the larger issues and the fact I am not convinced this latest attack has been thoroughly investigated–suddenly the Russians are…credible, independent assessors of these incidents?

Nonsense and I would approach this with a healthy does of skepticism.

Ultimately, we should make it clear to anyone in possession of chemical weapons, especially the “rebels” that we will wipe out with prejudice personnel within a mile of those devices. No matter which side they “claim” to be on.

Marcus Traianus on September 5, 2013 at 12:45 PM

It doesnt matter to me which side used WMD’s. The best thing I can wish for in the Syrian debacle is that both sides lose.

And frankly, I wouldnt trust a russian report that water was wet.

HBowmanMD on September 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Putin is having fun playing this game with Comrade O, the Incompetent Amateur.

The Cold War ex-KGB officer’s “calculus” is almost certainly already planned out many steps ahead of Teh One’s “calculus”.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I trust this report, and Putin, about as much as I trust Barack Obama, John Kerry, Eric Holder, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, Valerie Jarrett, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, the United Nations, the IPCC, MSNBC, the NYTimes, Alex Rodriguez, and my ex-wife.

That is to say, not at all.

Athos on September 5, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Putin is having fun playing this game with Comrade O, the Incompetent Amateur.

The Cold War ex-KGB officer’s “calculus” is almost certainly already planned out many steps ahead of Teh One’s “calculus”.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Yep.

Putin also has comrade Snowden at his disposal.

Snowden to the left of us…Greenwald to the right of us…stuck in the middle with Preezy Snoop Drone McBombypants…

*facepalm*

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The Rebels are a disgrace. We should help Assad with the bombing of the Rebels.

GW_SS-Delta on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I guess it comes down who you trust more the Russians or Obama.

Sad to say that I don’t know. Obama and his administration has lied about so much from Benghazi, running guns to Mexico, etc., etc.

It is hard to take his and his administration’s word on anything.

Either way it is still stupid to get involved in Syria.

William Eaton on September 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM

It’s really telling that I am more inclined to believe Putin’s report, than I am with anything the Obama regime generates from their perpetual propaganda machine.

Obama has lied to us so blatantly and consistently for so long now, that I expect everything he says to be a lie, or at least such a twisted, shaded, corrupted version of the truth that you get physically ill listening to it. Case in point – “I didn’t draw any red line, the world community drew the red line.” What an insult to the intelligence of every single person in “the world community”, and I guarantee it’s not been overlooked.

Obama’s “credibility” is utterly irredeemable.

Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

The M.E. does not have us over a barrel literally or figuratively. The vast majority of our imports come from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. The M.E., however, has our allies (Europe, Japan) over that barrel. We have a choice do we finally make most of our allies begin funding their own defense or do we continue to spill our blood for countries that don’t care to protect themselves.

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

LOL – what does it say when I believe Putin more than John Kerry!? :P

It’s pretty sad, dudes!

HondaV65 on September 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Why would this administration believe the Russians? This administration didn’t believe Russia’s intell they sent us prior to the Boston bombing either. Or did they?

~Knave

Renee on September 5, 2013 at 12:24 PM

This…

You know if we had listened to the Russians the Boston Bombing would not have happened. What did Obama’s administration do to thank the Russians for trying to help us.

They accused the Russians of not doing enough to protect Americans!

The Russians did try to reach out to us, they did try to show good faith at least when it relates to fighting Jihadist, and we slapped them in the face.

William Eaton on September 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Once you’ve read “The Whole World Is Going Our Way” by Vasilly Mitrovkin you kinda get the impression that the Russians are in a better position to actually know what’s going on in circumstances such as these.

eh on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

This throws a wrench into the works, at least for the moment.

After another week of this world pushback, US credibility will be destroyed.

Congress’s vote will be irrelevant.

PattyJ on September 5, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Late to this party. I have seen two different pictures of the so called chemical warfare dead. Neither of them demonstrate that chemical agents were used.

Picture 1 had the dead wrapped, except faces, in white shrouds. Their hands were neatly folded on their chests and the faces that were visible were pink. The workers in the area were in normal clothing. Now it is possible that the chemical agents had sufficiently dispersed to work without chemical protective gear. However if that is true then rigor mortis would have already set in and no way the arms could have been neatly folded on the chests. Nor would the faces have been pink indicating oxygenated blood still available.

Picture 2 had 2 men working on a third man that was still alive. The two men working were not in chemical protective gear and if the third man was still alive then chemical agents would still be an issue in the area.

The pictures appear to be PR to pull on heart strings but prove nothing about the use of chemical agents and/or who used them.

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

We don’t know exactly what Israel is doing because they’re playing their cards close to their chests…especially with the media…while our President and members of congress give our enemies our strategic diplomatic and military playbook.

We do know the Israelis are preparing for any contingency.

We also know Netanyahu is a proven leader who places his countries welfare ahead of his ego…unlike our own president who gets his jollies playing with “his military”, demoralizing US Citizens and driving his country to ruin and forming feckless knee jerk media kabuki disguised as policy.

so there’s that.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:44 PM

True. For Israel, these decisions are a matter of life and death. For the REB it’s all about ‘demanding respect’ and the Fredo Principle.

America will survive our flake of a president.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 1:22 PM

LOL – what does it say when I believe Putin more than John Kerry!? :P

It’s pretty sad, dudes!

HondaV65 on September 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

So sad that you will admit you shouldn’t have voted for Obama?

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 11:57 AM

The M.E. does not have us over a barrel literally or figuratively. The vast majority of our imports come from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. The M.E., however, has our allies (Europe, Japan) over that barrel. We have a choice do we finally make most of our allies begin funding their own defense or do we continue to spill our blood for countries that don’t care to protect themselves.

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

We controlled that after WWII as I remember….and rightly so since despots will be despots we have tried to contain them within their regions.

But that was when we had a tradition of protecting our allies and our allies reciprocated diplomatically.

Obama has pretty much reset that with his smart power etc.

Our strongest allied support for Syrian Intervention is from the French…or maybe not?

In short…the US has no coherent policy foreign or domestic that is based in traditional US principles….cause that would be raaacist or imperialist or islamophobic or last century or something…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:23 PM

You need very advanced factories to make both and cannot just be prepared in a garage or in a cave….

mnjg on September 5, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Right…

DarkCurrent on September 5, 2013 at 1:27 PM

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

In Youtube World…dead civilians getup after the film is shot but the French Press keeps looping that video for years.

How do we know really…I mean Benghazi was all about a youtube video remember?

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:29 PM

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Cannot be said often enough.

Doing a thorough scan of “morgue” scenes from Iraq or Gaza or elsewhere in the region may be helpful as well is dispelling the current meme.

Those deeply religious followers of the Religion of Peace would never ever stoop to desecrating the dead to provide good camera shots or video footage to pimp their cause, would they?

And reusing old footage? Why not? Save money. Save a tree.

Why do you think Green is their favorite color out there?

Just trying to help out the planet.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Oh NO he di’int! I KNOW Putin did NOT just throw down evidence contradicting what Kerry just claimed before Congress! Oh, it is SO on, bi’ahtch!

Not only did Putin just call Kerry a LIAR, but he threw down the evidence to prove it! LOL!

easyt65 on September 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

They do gas hospitals

Dollayo on September 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Once you’ve read “The Whole World Is Going Our Way” by Vasilly Mitrovkin you kinda get the impression that the Russians are in a better position to actually know what’s going on in circumstances such as these.

eh on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Read it. Read it multiple times. Even read a few parts last night beforesleep.

Title “The World was Going our Way.” Not is.

No, the Russians were not in a better position to know what was going on around the world during the time period of Mitrokhin’s book (written by Chris Andrew).

They thought they were…but that erroneous thought met harsh reality and hit them hard.

However, that said, the current crop of Russian intelligence is a far cry from the old KGB days.

Yes, no doubt, they have that same brutality, the same willingness to put it out there and take down any who try to get in the way.

Inthat sense, very much like the old KGB.

No longer having the Communist Party in control…that has made for the fundamental change in the new Russian intelligence services.

In the old days, key or important Party officials (nomenklatura) could select who joined the KGB and who did not…and could choose, as well, which KGB officers would go where and when…and for how long….and influence promotions

The lethargy within the old KGB was legendary.

As was the chronic alcoholism.

New Russian Intelligence is younger,leaner, smarter, more educated, has better language skills, better area knowledge, adept in many disciplines, very well paid, and have the 100% backing of their national leadership.

Have a copy of Chris’s book sitting here on the desk as I write.

Picked it off my shelf last night, wanted to re-read a few segments prior to nodding off. Good book.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM

They do gas hospitals

Dollayo on September 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

If they’ll do a hospital, they’ll do a neighborhood.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Various happenings…

Senate speeds up (a bit) for Syria – The Senate will come back early from its recess to deal with Syria. Senators were scheduled to return Monday. The Senate will instead convene Friday to start the procedural clock on a proposed authorization of force. Debate could begin this weekend.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said the only way to “secure” Syrian chemical weapons is to use boots on the ground. National Security Correspondent Jennifer Griffin considers the limits of using airstrikes alone.

Boehner balks at meeting with Russians – House Speaker John Boehner has refused the Russian Embassy’s request to meet with House leaders to make the case against a Syria strike.

PUTIN GREETS OBAMA WITH SYRIA THREAT – President Obama arrived in Russia today to find the already failing relations with his host in even worse condition. Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threat to provide his Syrian allies with a missile shield in the event of U.S. airstrikes further complicates Obama’s flagging effort to win international support for an attack on Damascus. As the Guardian reports, Putin’s warning that an attack without UN backing would provoke military aid from Russia may drive away the handful of international partners for Obama’s proposed attack.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/05/putin-greets-obama-with-syria-threat/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Would it help if we said “Our President acted stupidly?”

Then called for a beer summit…

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Back in August 2012 we knew “our Syrian allies” had captured chemical weapons and just last December we knew they were testing them.

Dollayo on September 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

We knew as early as August 2012 that these “rebel allies” had captured chemical weapons and last December they were testing them.

Dollayo on September 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Al-Qaeda promises to slaughter Christians after Obama helps them topple Assad. http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/al-qaeda-promises-to-slaughter-christians-after-u-s-liberates-syria/

Dollayo on September 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Russia releases 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for March chemical attack

Can’t be trusted. Needs to be at least as long as the 9-11 Commission Report, or the Patriot Act, or the Affordable Health Care Act to be believed. Oh, and only understood by the lawyers that actually penned it.

Stupid Russkies.

/s

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 5, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Call your senate offices and tell them respectfully that they must not support strikes against Syria.

If constituents speak up loudly before the strong arming begins in earnest… they can say their constituents are totally against this action.

My Senators are as liberal as it gets, and you can bet the liberals in Western Washington are against this so if conservatives sing the same song the Senate will not get the votes!!!

I do believe that the most liberal Senators are looking for an excuse not to support this, give them one!!!

Call.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Why Do John Kerry and John McCain Believe that Syria’s Rebels Are Mostly Moderate?

Most of the thinking that Syrian’s rebellion is mostly moderate comes from a single source. Both Sen. John McCain and Secretary of State John Kerry have publicly cited that source, and if you’ve been watching cable news this week you’ve seen that source. Her name is Elizabeth O’Bagy, and she works at the Institute for the Study of War. She penned a piece for the Wall Street Journal that has become the basis for the idea that Syria’s rebels are more moderate than jihadist.

O’Bagy has been all over the Fox News Channel and CNN this week, out of nowhere, to tell America that Syria’s rebels are mostly moderate.

The Institute for the Study of War bills itself as non-partisan and appears to have lived up to that since its founding in 2007.

Dr. O’Bagy, on the other hand, is also connected to an organization called the Syrian Emergency Task Force. As its political director, she is one of its four top officers according to the group’s web site.

Political director, by the way, means that O’Bagy is an activist. Her activism includes promoting the bombing of Assad’s forces.

Here’s a jaw-dropper: O’Bagy criticized Israel for killing Hamas leader Ahmed al-Jabari last November. But enough about her.

The SETF’s executive director is one Mouaz Moustafa. This is Moustafa.

Continue

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM

LOL – what does it say when I believe Putin more than John Kerry!? :P

It’s pretty sad, dudes!

HondaV65 on September 5, 2013 at 1:11 PM

but you voted for Kerry’s boss, didn’t you now? LOL :)…so yes indeed, you are pretty sad, dude….

jimver on September 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Would it help if we said “Our President acted stupidly?”

Then called for a beer summit…

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Just logging back on. I don’t know if anything would help this guy.

He’s out of his league, not used to playing with the big boys. Boehner is easier:-)

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM

I think we need new names for McCain & Kerry. That whole article reminded me of this: “If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked”

When evidence shows that people go to the dark side willingly, they will not listen to reason nor accept truth.

bluefox on September 5, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Rush has pondered this Q today …

‘who do we believe, the former KGB agent Putin, or our own President?’

I would say that Rush is one of a multitude of Americans pondering that Q ….

exodus2011 on September 5, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Rush laments on Syria: ‘How does it feel to have to agree with a former KGB agent’ over your own president? http://fw.to/KDHKWFH

exodus2011 on September 5, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I believe Putin. What gain would Assad attain by gassing his own people? I’m convinced that Obama is a closet Muslim who would like nothing better than have the entire Mideast under the hand of the Muslim Brotherhood. He secretly wishes that he too could be a dictator.

Decoski on September 5, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Thanks. I read O’Bagy’s “report” earlier today and wondered who she was and where she came from — out of the blue, as far as any previous ME war / revolution news I’ve ever read. People have to earn credibility with bloggers, but not with Congressmen, who apparently take the word of the first stranger who comes along:

Investigation showed fake ‘predator’ approaching children in the park while their mothers – who had agreed to take part – were distracted
Seven out of nine agreed to go with him thanks to his friendly manner
Parents are urged to remind children that all strangers could pose a threat

AesopFan on September 6, 2013 at 12:04 AM

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