Pelosi: I don’t know if Obama can get a majority of House Democrats to support a Syria attack

posted at 12:41 pm on September 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

With every new whip count I see, I’m more confident that the Senate will spare O the humiliation of a House landslide by killing the Syria resolution itself. At last check, WaPo has the House at 19 likely yays versus 178 likely nays; Adrian Gray has it at 47/187; ABC has it at 45/199; and Think Progress, which counted 169 nays yesterday afternoon, has now hit the 200 mark with only 49 yays offsetting.

Remember, if you believe what Pelosi said yesterday, she’s not whipping House Democrats on this. There is, in theory, no pressure from the Democratic leadership in Congress to take one for the team here. Endgame for intervention?

Can you get a majority of your caucus? Is that important?

I don’t know. I think it would be important to get a majority in the Congress. But I don’t know if it’s important how you would break it down. These issues are not really partisan…

What was your reaction to the decision to bring this to Congress?

I was encouraging consultation. I did not believe that the President needs to get authorization from Congress. I think that it is great that he asked for it. I think that it strengthens his hand, and our country’s hand, and our moral standing to Bashar Assad to have Congress support it. But it’s a challenge for the reasons you mentioned. It’s a challenge because the country is weary of war. This is a president who has taken us out of two wars. He has unwound the Iraq War and now the Afghanistan War. He knows, as Commander-in-chief, better than anybody how weary of war our country is.

And so it came to be that Pelosi, who rose to power as Speaker promising that Congress would check the renegade president in his quixotic mission against a gas-wielding Baathist, now thinks congressional approval isn’t necessary against Assad. Follow the link and read the rest of the interview, where she strains hard to distinguish the Iraq war from this while also insisting that using WMD is an eternal international red line. I can only assume that if Assad promised not to use gas again for at least 15 years, Pelosi would be willing to let him slide the same way she was apparently okay with letting Saddam slide on the red line for having used it against the Kurds years before the U.S. attacked. You’d trust him if he said that, wouldn’t you? Nancy evidently trusted that Saddam’s gas-spraying days were over. Why not give the lunatic in Damascus the benefit of the doubt too?

Lots of stories in the news today about skittish House Dems balking at Syria — this one, about anti-war Rep. Gerry Connolly straining to find a “principled” exception to his philosophy for his party’s president, is my favorite — but Obama still has cards to play. There’s still a classified briefing on Assad’s WMD for Congress to come; there may be an Oval Office address in the works; there may also be a media campaign to show the public what a gas attack does to its victims, especially children. Polls show that public skepticism does tend to soften when WMD is introduced into the calculus of whether to go to war. And of course, there’s apt to be some out-and-out vote-buying. If partisan loyalty can’t dragoon Democrats into voting with O, maybe bribes can:

“I think the White House candy store is open,”said John Bolton, a former U.N. ambassador under President Bush who opposes a military strike against Syria, on Fox News Tuesday. “What do you need for your district or state? A post office? A new military facility? What do you want? I think anything you want you’re going to get because the White House is going to do whatever it takes to get a majority.”

So we have the irony that, even as the administration’s arguments for intervention become less coherent, its chances of prevailing by playing on tribal loyalties and the use of “non-policy” arguments are increasing.

And people thought the pressure and the wheeling and dealing that forced through passage of Obamacare were unseemly.

If I worked in the White House, my worry now wouldn’t be trying to win the House vote. It’d be trying to minimize the embarrassment of losing the vote overwhelmingly, along bipartisan lines. If he can win back some liberals and force the GOP to block the measure with a heavy majority of its own caucus, then at least Obama can blame Republican obstructionism for his problems. How likely is it that he can win those liberals over, though? Per the Journal, the lefty PAC Progressive Change Campaign Committee polled 55,000 of its one million members on Syria — and found 73 percent opposed. Democratic voters generally are also opposed, albeit less heavily. Which probably explains Pelosi’s reluctance to whip the caucus: If this thing’s headed for defeat via Republican opposition, with her own base perfectly fine with that, what’s her incentive to go to the mat for O?

Exit question: Why isn’t OFA pushing hard for Syria intervention either? Does O want to lose this vote?

Update: Hope springs eternal:

Aides believe that many of those who say they are leaning No are not necessarily at that point. Aides believe there’s a lot of pressure on Dems — given the unpopularity of strikes with constituents, as reflected in the polls, and given some of the pressure being directed to offices by liberal groups — to downplay the possibility of a Yes vote later. So aides think the whip counts don’t tell the real story…

Dem aides believe they probably need around 120-130 Dems for the resolution to pass, because they think they’ll get around 90-100 Republicans (with most voting No). They think that they can get there. This would draw on Yes votes from 40 or so hawkish, interventionist Dems types who will be persuadable by groups like AIPAC; plus a sizable bloc of moderate Dems who aren’t too worried about the Dem base and will be genuinely gettable; plus some more votes drawn from around several dozen hard-to-classify Dems who are more focused on domestic affairs. Dem aides think they can get the numbers they need even if around 60 progressive Dems prove ungettable.


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I was encouraging consultation. I did not believe that the President needs to get authorization from Congress.

Money quote right here.

translation:

We’re Democrats, we can do whatever the Hell we want.

ToddPA on September 5, 2013 at 12:46 PM

The DERP Presidency.

Good Lt on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Because WWIII is a bummer during an election season…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

And so it came to be that Pelosi, who rose to power as Speaker promising that Congress would check the renegade president in his quixotic mission against a gas-wielding Baathist, now thinks congressional approval isn’t necessary against Assad.

tattoo her with it.

ted c on September 5, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Bella Pelosi is starting to look like an old mattress.

jake-the-goose on September 5, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I don’t know. I think it would be important to get a majority in the Congress.

A Freudian slip perhaps?

Majorities are nice, but not required. Apparently.

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Because WWIII is a bummer during an election season…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Nah, not really. It would sorta negate the need for elections to be held at all, in order to protect the chuldren. I’m sure teh won would be cool with that.

Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM

BURRRRRRRN!

Oh LibtardedAndDie, you must be proud of your Commander n Chief. The POS thumps his war chest only to cower behind congress, blame the world and deny he ever said what we all saw him say. But he’s black so that’s all it takes to get your support doesn’t it?

jawkneemusic on September 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

As the President will remind us, and according to his favorite Constitutional scholar (Barack Hussein Obama), he already has all the authority he needs to launch military operations.

Athos on September 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Pelosi better get a clue and realize Putin has a vote, too. What will Obama do if the Russian Navy makes a direct challenge to ours? They don’t have to fire on our ships; shooting down our cruise missiles would make enough of a point.

Putin may well be posturing, too, but this time I can’t see him fully backing down against Obama.

Liam on September 5, 2013 at 12:53 PM

New York Times Headlines 10 years from now (that is if there still is a New York Times 10 years from now):

“Brave Democrats defund War Republicans started 10 years ago in Syria”

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The racism is bipartisan!

TXAction on September 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM

…there may also be a media campaign to show the public what a gas attack does to its victims, especially children.

Odd that there’s never been a media campaign to show what a hellfire missile fired by a guy working a joystick in Florida does to its victims, especially children.

And yes, O now wants to loose this vote. But as you say AP, by way of Republican obstructionism. If it happens that way -without broad bipartisan opposition- you can bet we’ll suddenly see a lot more US journalists on the ground in Syria and the nightly news will be replete with images of the “atrocities” being committed by the regime. “The very regime those dastardly Republicans voted to escape punishment to be meted out by the Father President.”

The only way the GOP escapes unscathed is if there is broad, bipartisan opposition to another round of Obama’s video war games.

BKeyser on September 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Where is Uncle Joe in all this?

Do they have him sedated and under house arrest or something?

I mean, this kind of stuff is right in Ol’ Joe’s swim lane.

Why not offer a 3 state solution for Syria and be done with it, eh?

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Just a moment Nancy, isolating Obama at this crucial point, and acting as if just a breath or two ago you weren’t ready to drop the first bomb personally, is kind of thowing dear PC protected leader under the bus.
But then, you Godless leftists always determine what is right, wrong, good or bad, by the latest focus group or poll instead of the conscience that God gave you.
Sadly, You deserve to live with your own kind….

Don L on September 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM

God, may the witch be right!

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What will Obama do if the Russian Navy makes a direct challenge to ours? They don’t have to fire on our ships; shooting down our cruise missiles would make enough of a point.

Putin may well be posturing, too, but this time I can’t see him fully backing down against Obama.

Liam on September 5, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Let’s see, in one corner we have the shirtless guy who catches fish with his bare hands and in the other corner we have the guy in mommy jeans and a bike helmet. Sounds like a fair fight.

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

So demorats are racists who want Syrian children to die if they vote no, or warmongers who want Syrian children to die if they vote yes.

I’m going to wade into the nearby corn field with a flamethrower so as to produce enough popcorn to last until this circus finally comes to an end.

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Well here’s a nice twist. Russia is sending in missile defense shields to Syria.

HotAirian on September 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I did not believe that the President needs to get authorization from Congress.

Nancy Pelosi

.
Because: ____________________________________________

Fill in that blank, Nancy.
.

I think that it is great that he asked for it.

Nancy Pelosi

.
Yeah, that was “big” of him.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Because WWIII is a bummer during an election season…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Nah, not really. It would sorta negate the need for elections to be held at all, in order to protect the chuldren. I’m sure teh won would be cool with that.

Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I suppose the administration could eradicate those pesky red states like Texas in one fell swoop…Y’know to save McBomby Pants?

Holder is takin too long afterall I guess.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Assad: “I could use some human shields to protect me from the evil imperialists.”

American leftists: “Ya know the sequester has hit us pretty hard, yeah? So I’m afraid we can only be with you in spirit.”

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Boehner should bring it to the floor today.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Let’s see, in one corner we have the shirtless guy who catches fish with his bare hands and in the other corner we have the guy in mommy jeans and a bike helmet. Sounds like a fair fight.

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

It really is sad when you put it like that…

JohnGalt23 on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

SanFranNan is looking very haggared if not wasted.

2014 has the potential of becoming a very decisive election year.
President Present might have to deal with a (might I dream it?) very determined Opposition Party in both House and Senate.
We shall see. But as we’ve seen many times, the Stupid Party is very adept at phucking up a sure thing.

Missilengr on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Let’s see, in one corner we have the shirtless guy who catches fish with his bare hands and in the other corner we have the guy in mommy jeans and a bike helmet. Sounds like a fair fight.

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Made me…….

MontanaMmmm on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

John Kerry, bright shining lie

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Let’s see, in one corner we have the shirtless guy who catches fish with his bare hands and in the other corner we have the guy in mommy jeans and a bike helmet. Sounds like a fair fight.

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

lol

The Russian kanoodler also wrestles bears and shakes hands with walruses…McBomby pants dances on Ellen…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Boehner should bring it to the floor today.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

The princes and princesses are not in town until Sept. 9.

Plus, you assume that he has a set of steely ones.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The only way the GOP escapes unscathed is if there is broad, bipartisan opposition to another round of Obama’s video war games.

BKeyser on September 5, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Or the republicans could ALL vote “present”

WryTrvllr on September 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Note how many trolls are ‘supporting’ obama.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM

They don’t have to fire on our ships; shooting down our cruise missiles would make enough of a point.

Nice contrast. Obama sends Hillary with a supposed “RESET” button and all the while Putin is preparing to show us the “FIRE” button!

Deano1952 on September 5, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Pelosi and others really need to look at a dictionary once in a while. If she had to go to war, maybe she would change her ‘definition’ of it.

What the Bush administration was asking the country to do on the basis of a false premise was to go to war. This isn’t about going to war. This is about a limited, tailored strike, of short duration, for a purpose, which is the use of weapons of mass destruction.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/05/qa-nancy-pelosi-talks-about-syria-attack-with-time/#ixzz2e2RndhKh

Yes, it is about going to war, you witch!

1
a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict

2
a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism

b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end

Why doesn’t she just go away.

Patriot Vet on September 5, 2013 at 1:05 PM

What will Obama do if the Russian Navy makes a direct challenge to ours? They don’t have to fire on our ships; shooting down our cruise missiles would make enough of a point.

Putin may well be posturing, too, but this time I can’t see him fully backing down against Obama.

Liam on September 5, 2013 at 12:53 PM

They can’t shoot down cruise missiles. They could try but it is almost impossible.
They can sink our ships. And if Obama is stupid enough to go forward with a strike, then
that is what will happen. And the rest of the world will blame Obama, not Putin.
Now go put that in your political calculator and run those numbers.

redguy on September 5, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Is it possible…..

This is all about oil / natural gas and the European energy markets?

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Well here’s a nice twist. Russia is sending in missile defense shields to Syria.

HotAirian on September 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM

It’s just so incredibly mind boggling how our current SCOAMF can be so stupid as to get himself into a situation like this. I think late last week some of his less ignorant aides pointed out how a strike on Syria has the potential to actually create a new Cuban Missile Crisis. Thus the 180 in an attempt to save face if he was going to actually back off his red line. But he still has to go through motions else his ego might become too bruised.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Well here’s a nice twist. Russia is sending in missile defense shields to Syria.

HotAirian on September 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM

To protect syrian civilians from an attack by the Reckless Evil Empire acting alone against the world…US…no doubt.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM

*click click click click click click click*

“This damn button isn’t WORKING! JARRETT! JAAAAARRREEEEETT! Get me a new reset button!”

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Where is Uncle Joe in all this?

Where is Mooch???…

PatriotRider on September 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Sure ya can Nan! Have some faith in your powers of persuasion.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Well here’s a nice twist. Russia is sending in missile defense shields to Syria.

HotAirian on September 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM

It’s just so incredibly mind boggling how our current SCOAMF can be so stupid as to get himself into a situation like this. I think late last week some of his less ignorant aides pointed out how a strike on Syria has the potential to actually create a new Cuban Missile Crisis. Thus the 180 in an attempt to save face if he was going to actually back off his red line. But he still has to go through motions else his ego might become too bruised.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Because for Obama…Playing President isn’t about actually governing…it’s about Playacting.

Obama is the new Lincoln,FDR,Truman,Reagan,Kennedy…Yeah…This week he’s Kennedy…

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

These issues are not really partisan…

HAHAHAHAHA [catches breath] HAHAHA…

Fenris on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Oh, don’t worry, Nancy, Boehner will strap on his Underdog cape and sing “Here I come to save the dayyyy!” Syria has the potential to expose Teh Won’s hypocrisy, narcissism and incompetence in a way that will pierce through even the dense fog of ignorance and MSM lies surrounding low-info voters, so Boehner is certain to come up with some way to let Obama twist off the hook.

Fabozz on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Pelosi is clearly underestimating Teh One’s power of persuasion. His formidable skills as an orator and clear vision on foreign policy matters will turn Congresspersons into putty in the hands of the master.

blech!

antipc on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

If I were in congress I sure wouldn’t want to step into this big pile of steaming Obama.

No way, Jose.

Key West Reader on September 5, 2013 at 1:10 PM

For the House to shoot down Obama’s little war, is EXACTLY what Obama and the Dims want.

All blame will be shifted from the feckless and disparate Obama Regime right to the evil Republican House.

Exactly, and entirely according to Obama’s plan. Obama will get a pass in the State-Run media and the sheeple in Amerika.

It’s all going to be the fault of anyone and everyone other than who’s REALLY at fault for this mess, Obama and his Regime.

Meople on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

With every new whip count I see, I’m more confident that the Senate will spare O the humiliation of a House landslide by killing the Syria resolution itself.

That’s not a ‘spare’. The REB wanted it to fail in the House so he could blame Republicans. If it fails in the Senate that he controls, that’s far worse.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

For example:

Israel just signed a 20 year agreement with…..GAZPROM (The state controlled Russian Natural gas company)

http://en.rian.ru/business/20130226/179690676.html

and this one:

http://rbth.ru/business/2013/02/15/russia_may_develop_heavily_sanctioned_iranian_oil_22903.html

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Where is Uncle Joe in all this?

Where is Mooch???…

PatriotRider on September 5, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Mooch is working feverishly behind closed doors on implementing the Syrian School Children’s Healthy Lunch program to be put in place once The Peacegiver (MHWBD) has driven Assad from power.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM

…What will Obama do if the Russian Navy makes a direct challenge to ours? …

Liam on September 5, 2013 at 12:53 PM

What he always does. Play golf, go to bed, get up the next morning and have a leisurely breakfast. After a couple of days release a statement claiming victory.

Fenris on September 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM

….and this one.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/gazprom-pipeline-to-china-delayed-until-q1-2014/485528.html

Gazprom has postponed construction of a pipeline to China until next year as Moscow and Beijing have failed so far to agree to terms on pricing, Vedomosti reported Wednesday.

The delay is an embarrassing setback for President Vladimir Putin, who has urged Russian companies to expand their reach in the lucrative energy markets of Asia, and comes just after the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan agreed to increase its gas supplies to China.

The delay is also a blow for Gazprom, which has been in talks for years over gas supplies to energy-hungry China, seen as a major market for Russian gas, which is sold primarily to Europe.

And this:

http://www.thenational.ae/business/energy/qatar-seeks-gas-pipeline-to-turkey

Qatar has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports from the world’s biggest gasfield after it finishes an ambitious programme to more than double its capacity to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG).”We are eager to have a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey,”

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I’m beginning to think that Obummer assumed Congress would vote along party lines and he could pin this on the GOP.

Ooops.

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

…What will Obama do if the Russian Navy makes a direct challenge to ours? …

Liam on September 5, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Barry calls Chuck Hagel to have our commander set up a vodka summit with the Russian commander before someone acts stupidly and interupts Barry’s weekend of carefree golf.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

I think those are known as the Keystoneski and Muhammed Al-Keystone pipelines, respectively.

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Pelosi: “Let’s bomb the shiite out of Syria.”

Liberal “We are the world” San Fran voters: “As long as the nude gay pride parades aren’t canceled because of it then go ahead.”

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Boehner should bring it to the floor today.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

That’d be tough to do since the House doesn’t come back from their “district work period” until Monday.

Plenty of time to try and figure out how to deliver the votes for Obama and his fragile ego. I sincerely hope somebody plans on primarying him.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Where is the AMERICAN MEDIA on this?

This is being reported on all over the freaking world, now even in the UK.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

Syria intervention plan fueled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concern

Massacres of civilians are being exploited for narrow geopolitical competition to control Mideast oil, gas pipelines

In 2009 – the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria – Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter’s North field, contiguous with Iran’s South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets – albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad’s rationale was “to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe’s top supplier of natural gas.”

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 – just as Syria’s civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo – and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a “direct slap in the face” to Qatar’s plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that “whatever regime comes after” Assad, it will be “completely” in Saudi Arabia’s hands and will “not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports”, according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.

And John Kerry said just yesterday that Saudi Arabia and Qatar are willing to pay for our military to come do their war for them.

Why is no one reporting on this?

All I did was go out and Google this information. It’s out there for anyone to find. It’s out in the open. Helllllllloooo.

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

By the time Obama is done, the entire nation will be clinging to their Bible and guns!!

Deano1952 on September 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Mooch is working feverishly behind closed doors on implementing the Syrian School Children’s Healthy Lunch program to be put in place once The Peacegiver (MHWBD) has driven Assad from power.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Yeah, she doesn’t have to worry about their physical activity levels. Dodging bullets and tomahawk missiles really burns the calories. But why have real goat on flatbread when the tofu version on whole grain flatbread is both tasty and healthy!

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Rock on Bishop…..

crosshugger on September 5, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Boehner should bring it to the floor today.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

No, drag this out for days and weeks… spend every ounce of remaining political capital that Obama has

GOP is smart to stand down until Pelosi is forced to come up with 120-130 votes — make her do the heavy lifting

Render Obama politically impotent as a consequence of this vote, win or lose, with zero GOP accountability.

matthew8787 on September 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Wouldn’t Israel be adamantly opposed to an American strike if that were the case? So far Israel has remained neutral on its position concerning the Syrian civil war, but deposing Assad would put these deals at risk.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM

At last check, WaPo has the House at 19 likely yays versus 178 likely nays

19/435 = 4.4%.

Only 4.4% of the House are “likely” to vote yay.

LOL.

Not too many of his own party are enthusiastic about helping Teh One pull his a$$ out of The World’s Congress’s his red line mess.

If he cannot even get a majority of his own party to support him he will have trouble blaming the GOP for blocking his proposal to “send a message”. But it won’t stop him from blaming them anyway. And Bush, too.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I’m beginning to think that Obummer assumed Congress would vote along party lines and he could pin this on the GOP.

Ooops.

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

He is learning how little people like and respect him. Hope he gets infuriated and publicly lashes out.

matthew8787 on September 5, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Dem aides think they can get the numbers they need even if around 60 progressive Dems prove ungettable.

This is a friggin pipe dream. Chris Murphy’s vote against in the Senate Foreign Relations committee is very telling. He was just elected to office and has no worries about reelection. Rosa Delauro has said nothing but you can erst assured she is loathed to vote Yes on this. Obama will be lucky to get Blumenthal’s vote among all the the Connecticut delegation but given the hell Lieberman got over Iraq I think it’s likely even he votes No.

There is no way at all a majority of House Dems vote for this. The party has moved too far left for any many Dem candidates outside of a Red state to hope to survive such a vote.

Rocks on September 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Look at the map, Turkey borders Syria, so does Lebanon and Iraq. But only the USA is suppose to be the bleeding heart who cares about the chemical weapons attack while all the many countries much closer to Syria cheer us on: go sucker, go!

USA = “Unbelievable Sucker-hearts of America”.

Chessplayer on September 5, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Wouldn’t Israel be adamantly opposed to an American strike if that were the case? So far Israel has remained neutral on its position concerning the Syrian civil war, but deposing Assad would put these deals at risk.

NotCoach on September 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Behind the scenes, Israel is far from neutral. But in public, it does no good to have Israel opining about Islamic internecine warfare. And let’s not forget Iran is a bigger threat than Syria.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Declaring War Is One Power That The President Absolutely Does Not Have

‘It is the exclusive province of Congress to change a state of peace into a state of war.’

– Justice William Paterson writing for the Court in United States v Smith, 1806

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 1:43 PM

American leftists: “Ya know the sequester has hit us pretty hard, yeah? So I’m afraid we can only be with you in spirit.”

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM

IF Jane Fonda goes over to support either side I’m on board with bombing them.

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Polls show that public skepticism does tend to soften when WMD is introduced into the calculus of whether to go to war.

Did Allah really just go there?

pain train on September 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM

He is learning how little people like and respect him. Hope he gets infuriated and publicly lashes out.

matthew8787 on September 5, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Oh that would be fun! Like when he held a press conference in the Rose Garden to be the giver of amnesty to DREAMers, got challenged, and was reduced to screaming “It’s the right thing to do.”

Or the temper tantrum he threw when gun grabbing legislation failed to make it out of Congress. He had those despicable Newtown parents as props for that one.

I envision a similar meltdown over Syria. The real question is what the visual is going to be. Obama on the deck of an aircraft carrier in Norfolk with sailors as props held hostage? The Oval Office? From a podium in the East Room? Maybe another trip to Dover with photographers and a quick speech at the Naval Academy.

Happy Nomad on September 5, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Every article about Assad should have a mention of Pelosi giving the finger to Bush in partisanship while meeting with Assad. And the Kerry picture with Assad.

GardenGnome on September 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Nah, not really. It would sorta negate the need for elections to be held at all, in order to protect the chuldren [sic]. I’m sure teh won would be cool with that.

Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 12:51 PM

That worked out well for Bev Perdue.

pain train on September 5, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Not to worry, Nancy

There are probably enough idiot repubicans willing to empower 0bama and the jihadists to get it to pass.

Stolen from Wind and the Lion and altered just a bit:

John McCain: It seems quite obvious, I would think, sir – we must seize the Syrian government and make our own negotiations.

Chuck Hagel: [incredulous] Seize the government?

John McCain: At BAYONET point!

John Kerry: [snidely; to Dreighton] Well, I certainly would like to see that old son-of-a-bitch Assad at bayonet point, huh?

[chuckles]

Chuck Hagel: But it’s ridiculous; it’s outrageous, it’s lunatic!

Harry Reid: Yes, isn’t it though? I think Barry should love it!

John Kerry: But, what about the French, the Germans – the British? They won’t help. Why Syria is in the shadow of Russia and Iran!

Harry Reid: [slams his hand on table and stands up] DAMN THE LEGATIONS!

John Kerry: [uneasily] You realize, of course, that if we fail in even the slightest way, we’ll all be killed?

Harry Reid: Yes, and the whole world will probably go to war.
John McCain: Gentlemen, if we fail and are killed, I certainly hope the world DOES go to war!

[raises glass as a toast]

Harry Reid: The world at war!
John Kerry: A world war? Now THAT would be something to go out on…

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Russia claims 100-page report blaming Syrian REBELS for chemical weapons attack…
BRUTALITY REVEALED….
Al Qaeda ‘Highwaymen, Kidnappers, and Killers’…
EXECUTING MEN ON KNEES…
‘We swear to Lord of Throne, we will take revenge’…
Kerry claims ‘moderate’…
AL QAEDA ATTACKS CHRISTIAN VILLAGE…
U.S. Travel Warning: Rebels Have ‘Claimed Nearly 600 Attacks’…

PUTIN: ‘KERRY IS LYING’

Drudge today

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Let’s see, in one corner we have the shirtless guy who catches fish with his bare hands and in the other corner we have the guy in mommy jeans and a bike helmetDreamy McMommy Pants. Sounds like a fair fight.

dirtseller on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

FIFY – h/t Ace of Spades

Key West Reader on September 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM

So let’s game this out, in the most likely scenario – congress votes down Obama’s military strikes and Obama says f*ck it, I’m launching the missiles anyway.

Good Lord. All the possibilities boggle the mind, and I haven’t found a positive outcome in any of them.

a. Our military could refuse the order, prompting a constitutional crisis that spirals out of control.

b. The missiles are launched and the Syrians, Iranians, and their allies strike back at Israel and other US interests in the ME, closing the Strait of Hormuz, stopping the flow of oil, and widespread terrorism and warfare spirals out of control.

c. The missiles are launched and numerous terror cells activate inside the US with widespread suicide bombings at grade schools, football games, concerts etc, and martial law is declared as the fascist state spirals out of control.

This could go on and on, but it all leads to the same results in one form or another. Given that Barky plans to launch regardless what congress does, can anyone find a possible positive outcome in that? Any possibility that Barky could be forcibly removed from office before he burns it all down? Oh he’s black. I guess not.

Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Not to worry, Nancy

There are probably enough idiot repubicans willing to empower 0bama and the jihadists to get it to pass.

Stolen from Wind and the Lion and altered just a bit:

John McCain: It seems quite obvious, I would think, sir – we must seize the Syrian government and make our own negotiations.

Chuck Hagel: [incredulous] Seize the government?

John McCain: At BAYONET point!

John Kerry: [snidely; to Dreighton] Well, I certainly would like to see that old SOB Assad at bayonet point, huh?

[chuckles]

Chuck Hagel: But it’s ridiculous; it’s outrageous, it’s lunatic!

Harry Reid: Yes, isn’t it though? I think Barry should love it!

John Kerry: But, what about the French, the Germans – the British? They won’t help. Why Syria is in the shadow of Russia and Iran!

John McCain: [slams his hand on table and stands up] Screw Putin and the Mullahs!

John Kerry: [uneasily] You realize, of course, that if we fail in even the slightest way, we’ll all be killed?

Harry Reid: Yes, and the whole world will probably go to war.

John McCain: Gentlemen, if we fail and are killed, I certainly hope the world DOES go to war!

[raises glass as a toast]

Harry Reid: The world at war!
John Kerry: A world war? Now THAT would be something to go out on…

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Sorry about the double post above. I thought the filter rejected it due to a couple of bad words, so I edited it a bit more and resubmitted.

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM

This vote will cascade in favor of No. No fencesitter is going to join a group of 40 or so Representatives in favor of war.

blammm on September 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Wow, that was GOOD! Well done!!

/And yes, I can visualize this because it is exactly what’s happening.

Key West Reader on September 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

….a. Our military could refuse the order, prompting a constitutional crisis that spirals out of control…..
Harbingeing on September 5, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Not gonna happen. 0bama has pretty much purged all the Constitution loving perfumed princes from the pentagon. Few there WOULDN’T use the Constitution for toilet paper and sell their children into slavery or death for that next star.

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Here’s a fun thought for the Democrats: suppose we do go in there and end up discovering Syria’s WMD did come from Iraq…?

PersonFromPorlock on September 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

If he can win back some liberals and force the GOP to block the measure with a heavy majority of its own caucus, then at least Obama can blame Republican obstructionism for his problems.

This only works because the media is controlled by Democrats.

All it would take is for a couple of news spots showing how Republicans are standing with popular opinion while Obama wants to do an drive-by shooting on Syria that would result in Al-Queda gaining power.

The media is the root of our problems.

GardenGnome on September 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

0bama will shoot at Syria no matter what the legislature says.

My favorite scenario would be for only enough republicans to vote yes that all the democrats will have to vote yes for it to pass.

cozmo on September 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m going to wade into the nearby corn field with a flamethrower so as to produce enough popcorn to last until this circus finally comes to an end.

Bishop on September 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Needed repeating.

txhsmom on September 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM

PappyD61 on September 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM

That’s interesting, especially considering that France’s oil interests prior to Obama’s war in Libya didn’t get mentioned much.

txhsmom on September 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I’m beginning to think that Obummer assumed Congress would vote along party lines and he could pin this on the GOP.

Ooops.

BobMbx on September 5, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The Adults are in charge.

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

0bama will shoot at Syria no matter what the legislature says.

My favorite scenario would be for only enough republicans to vote yes that all the democrats will have to vote yes for it to pass.

cozmo on September 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Deliciously evil and schadenfreudig!!!

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Not gonna happen. 0bama has pretty much purged all the Constitution loving perfumed princes from the pentagon. Few there WOULDN’T use the Constitution for toilet paper and sell their children into slavery or death for that next star.

LegendHasIt on September 5, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Indeed…why obama was re-elected…Petraeus, looking at you, traitor!

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Polls show that public skepticism does tend to soften when WMD is introduced into the calculus of whether to go to war.

Did Allah really just go there?

pain train on September 5, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Trying to look smart, sophisticated, and educated by using the term “calculus” to describe how a non-math or non-physics related problem is being solved is becoming worn out and passé through repetition, mostly ny people who have no idea what they are talking about.

The new faux-sophisticate uses “differential equations”. Like this…

Polls show that public skepticism does tend to soften when WMD is introduced into the differential equations of whether to go to war.

After all, problems that require differential equations to solve are in general a notch or two more complex than problems that require only simple calculus.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Ted Cruz – The U.S. is not Al Qaeda’s Air Force!

This same line should be spoken in front of every single camera, by every single person opposed to this latest trumped up distraction from Obama and VJarr.

Meople on September 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Ted Cruz – The U.S. is not Al Qaeda’s Air Force!

This same line should be spoken in front of every single camera, by every single person opposed to this latest trumped up distraction from Obama and VJarr.

That, and the Saudis can’t rent our military either, even if our Sos gets ‘em to pay for Barry’s Excellent Adventure.

hawkeye54 on September 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Boehner should bring it to the floor today.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM

First, he’d have to grow a set.

idalily on September 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Lots of stories in the news today about skittish House Dems balking at Syria — this one, about anti-war Rep. Gerry Connolly straining to find a “principled” exception to his philosophy for his party’s president, is my favorite

That one is, in fact, a thing of beauty. Especially this part.

It’s important to Connolly that he figure out a way to draw that distinction, for he believes the arguments for going to war in Iraq were “completely specious. Either wishful thinking or entirely fabricated.” With regard to Syria, Connolly is confident that chemical weapons were in fact used. And perhaps biggest for him is his conviction that Obama is “truly a reluctant warrior,” when it comes to Syria.

Real difference between Iraq and Syria to these people: If it’s Obama, it’s OK.

Every single detail about Iraq was a better case for intervention, and Bush went so much further to make the case to Congress rather than just go for it.

But all that matters to them is that Iraq was Bush’s baby, and Syria is Obama’s baby.

There Goes the Neighborhood on September 5, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Polls show that public skepticism does tend to soften when WMD is introduced into the differential equations of whether to go to war.

After all, problems that require differential equations to solve are in general a notch or two more complex than problems that require only simple calculus.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Heh

blink on September 5, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Oh God, PDE’s, I’m having flashbacks now. I feel a headache coming on.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Why doesn’t she just go away.

Patriot Vet on September 5, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Because the liberal voters of San Francisco keep tossing her back to Washington DC.

wren on September 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM

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