James Carville: What’s really freaking people out about Syria is Bush’s incompetence on Iraq

posted at 4:01 pm on September 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via RCP, he says this with a tinge of resentment, as though it’s unfair to hold Bush’s mistakes against the Unicorn Prince. And now I’m wondering if maybe I’ve misunderstood the anti-war crowd for all these years. Their view of invading Iraq, I thought, wasn’t that it was an awesome idea that never should have been tasked to a smirking Hitlerian chimp like Dubya. The idea itself was fatally flawed, I took them to mean. You can’t build a liberal democracy through military might on a morass of sectarian tensions with sinister players like Iran and the Saudis meddling to their own ends. There are too many moving parts, too many unintended consequences you can’t anticipate, too much risk of being dragged in deeper than you planned. Bush’s mismanagement made things harder than they needed to be, but the anti-war take — I thought — has always been that his first and greatest mistake was the hubris of diving into Iraq in the first place.

But no, per Carville’s point about incompetence, the big lesson from Iraq is that if you’re going to hammer a Baathist known for using WMD, keep your ambitions small — at least at first — and make sure there’s a Democrat in charge. That’s what distinguishes the apples of Bush’s intervention, in which America tried to midwife a fragile Sunni/Shiite nation-state while beset by fanatics on both sides, from the oranges of O’s virtuous Syria adventure, which is … different, I guess. It’s going to work this time. Besides, like Howard Dean says, the president’s the best-informed person in all of this. If he thinks it’s safe to take the position he’s taken, there’s no reason to doubt him. The same was true of Egypt and Libya and they’re looking good these days, no? I’m sure things will work out.


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Carville doesn’t believe a single word coming out of his own mouth, but it pays well.

Rational Thought on September 5, 2013 at 4:04 PM

James Carville: What’s really freaking people out about Syria is Bush’s incompetence on Iraq

And I guess Libya or Egypt doesn’t count. Interesting.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 5, 2013 at 4:04 PM

What really freaks me out is Carville’s ability to catch dragonflies with his tongue.

Flange on September 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Dang that took a while. ; )

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Carville doesn’t believe a single word coming out of his own mouth, but it pays well.

Rational Thought

^^^^^^^^^
This x 10.

BD57 on September 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Say whaaa? Carville’s senility in full display…

jimver on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Carville’s voice is the equivalent of being poked in the eardrum with a fork.

mudskipper on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Is he still married to Mary? How in the world could you live with this guy? Can he not look at what a mess Obama has made of the Middle East.

jaywemm on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I love James Carville. He makes Chris Matthews look lucid and sane.

Bruno Strozek on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

What is really freaking me out is Obama’s incompetence on everything!

DAT60A3 on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Carville, Dean, Obama, Reid, Pelosi. Come on, the dems have pretty much had the creepy @ss cracker vote sewed up all along.

onomo on September 5, 2013 at 4:09 PM

It’s amusing to watch the Dems try to justify an action they would be screaming about if a Republican were POTUS.

The hypocrisy, double standards, and excuse making are a wonder to behold.

Charlemagne on September 5, 2013 at 4:09 PM

From the headlines, should anyone be interested in how that went. ; ) 130 comments.

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Well folks got their WH talking points down

BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!

cmsinaz on September 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The same was true of Egypt and Libya and they’re looking good these days, no? I’m sure things will work out.


lIkE h3lL thEy ArE……

@ZombieChrisStevens

ted c on September 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Hey Snakeface, I think we won that dust-up. Wonder if he’s thinking about Somalia or Libya.

chewmeister on September 5, 2013 at 4:11 PM

But, Obama’s incompetence and lies don’t count.

Old & Busted ‘Smart Power’:

‘We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change MY calculus. That would change MY equation.’

- President Barack Obama, 20 August 2012

‘We go on to reaffirm that the President has set a clear red line as it relates to the United States that the use of chemical weapons or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups is a red line that is not acceptable to us, nor should it be to the international community. It’s precisely because we take this red line so seriously that we believe there is an obligation to fully investigate any and all evidence of chemical weapons use within Syria.’

- ‘White House Official,’ 25 April 2013

‘The President’s use of the term red line was deliberate and was based on U.S. policy. The world knew that the Syrian government possessed chemical weapons, and we had a concern that as the regime was increasingly beleaguered, it might use chemical weapons against the Syrian people in desperation. The message that the President delivered that day was the same message that he was delivering in private. It was one that he and others in the administration have reinforced on multiple occasions ever since.’

- White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, 6 May 2013

New, Competent Hotness:

‘I didn’t set a red line. The world set a red line.’

- President Barack Obama, 4 September 2013

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

That’s what distinguishes the apples of Bush’s intervention, in which America tried to midwife a fragile Sunni/Shiite nation-state while beset by fanatics on both sides, from the oranges of O’s virtuous Syria adventure, which is … different, I guess. It’s going to work this time.

I thought his wife is smart and likes smart men…

Besides, like Howard Dean says, the president’s the best-informed person in all of this. If he thinks it’s safe to take the position he’s taken, there’s no reason to doubt him. The same was true of Egypt and Libya and they’re looking good these days, no? I’m sure things will work out.

Indeed

Plus, “descent is patriotic”.

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM

keep your ambitions small — at least at first — and make sure there’s a Democrat in charge.


Obama’s Do-Little Raiders

ted c on September 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM

In sokme ways, Iraq really is one of the reasons Americans are so hesitant about Syria. We were told that the case against Iraq was solid, just like Syria. We were convinced that this was a dire emergency that was in our national interest. People have a harder time believing our President now than they used to. Lastly, we’re just tired of fighting, and our time in Iraq contributed to that.

Hope the media is happy, because they’re responsible for a lot of that. They didn’t investigate the WMD claims, and once we got into Iraq they focused heavily on the negative, accelerating our war-weariness.

hawksruleva on September 5, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Not one troll defending obama, not one…

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 4:14 PM

13 years of blaming Bush with 3 more to go unless a dem gets elected in 2016 then it’s to the turn of the century.

docflash on September 5, 2013 at 4:14 PM

And Bushhitler supports obama…

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Lies, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, and all the other corruption is why we’re anxious about Obama and Syria. Carville should wear a hat. The heat is getting to his bald head.

iamsaved on September 5, 2013 at 4:15 PM

add our failures in Iraq to obama’s failures in Egypt and Libya, and we’ve got no business trying to initiate democracy in the middle east

burserker on September 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Why are people still listening to that wizened, bald-headed old gnome Carville?

RebeccaH on September 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM

And, when ol’ Serpenthead got home, Mary popped him upside the head and said, “You know you don’t really believe that garbage.”

kingsjester on September 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Dayum, you’re good !

That post alone puts the whole “red line” issue to rest.

That’s it and that’s all.

Jabberwock on September 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yes, following on the success in Egypt, using lessons learned from Benghazi and on the heels of a generally successful Libyan triumph we should consolidate our foreign policy gains, team with terrorist elements to ensure their success and establish the Obama Doctrine. Which is to say, throw the region into turmoil, allow despotic Islamist theocrats with terrorist links to overthrow a relatively secular society and eliminate any semblance of stability we could possibly use to peacefully transition to a new governing model.

Right.

Marcus Traianus on September 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Blowhard and Carville on the same screen…both are pukes….

PatriotRider on September 5, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Nope. What freaks me out is that the U.S. populace elected our fraud and charlatan-in-cheif not once but twice and scumbags like Carville still come out and defend him by blaming Bush.

Next up: the anyone who doesn’t go along with Zero’s Syrian action plan is a racist meme.

ghostwalker1 on September 5, 2013 at 4:22 PM

its a 3 letter word James…..and its not Bush…….
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I.E.D.
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Shock and Awe had very very few casulties you may recall, you bald,lying piece of shiite.
It was the occupation where lives were lost.

FlaMurph on September 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Proves conclusively that Mary Matalin is the brains in that family.

She deserves a nod for sainthood when the time comes.

She will surely go to heaven; for being married to this Cajun jackazz she has already spent her time in hell.

coldwarrior on September 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Snake has spoken…and has usual it is incoherent nonsense.

I guess he saw that photoshop of Obama staring into the mirror and a laughing W is the reflection.

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I, as a pro-military citizen who couldn’t serve himself, tend to grant liberal leaders who are also military veterans some “leeway”.
But this graduate of Paris Island never ceases to tempt me to call him a ‘disgrace to the Corps’.

listens2glenn on September 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Why are people still listening to that wizened, bald-headed old gnome Carville?

RebeccaH on September 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Why is another Clinton Drone running for governor of Virginia?

workingclass artist on September 5, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Why doesn’t the GOP wave the gosh darned DNC strategy memo to polticize the Iraq war in their faces?

joeindc44 on September 5, 2013 at 4:30 PM

No carville what turns me off is that the jackass you support screws up everything he touches. He has no foreign policy and no domestic policy. He doesn’t know what he is doing nor does the people he surrounds himself with. If his goal is to ruin this country he has found success in that. He sir is a clusterfark and you are a boil on the butt of America for supporting him.

crosshugger on September 5, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

.
Here’s something you could add to your list …

David Letterman – Obama has learned how to BS

When you have lost David Letterman …

PolAgnostic on September 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Hillary thought ASSad was a reformer.
Obamao thought the Musloid Brotherhood wanted Democracy.
McCain thinks the sadistic Strian rebels are moderates.

WTF – THESE FREAKIN so called “LEADERS” DON’T HAVE A FREAKIN CLUE.
And they want to send our Soldiers there?
.
Freakin Clueless pretenders, all of them.

FlaMurph on September 5, 2013 at 4:35 PM

It’s Bush’s fault because REPUBLICAN! RACIST! COWBOY! GORE REALLY WON IN 2000! SQUIRREL!!!

neyney on September 5, 2013 at 4:36 PM

No Carville, what’s freaking everybody out is your incompetent, narcissistic president. Stick it in you ear.

rplat on September 5, 2013 at 4:37 PM

From the headlines, should anyone be interested in how that went. ; ) 130 comments.

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Yeah, I was enjoying that thread too. I had to leave before I was through with libfree. Sometimes real life intrudes into the blog fantasy world.

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It was inevitable that some progressive would finally declare the real reason, thanks Jimmy.

Pardonme on September 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Yep. I only have much to do with that one if I’m in need of a laugh. Can guarantee a laugh nearly 100% of the time. ; )

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Not one troll defending obama, not one…

Schadenfreude on September 5, 2013 at 4:14 PM

.
Doubtless conforming to the security binky position of left-libs I’ve had contact with in recent times.
They “don’t want to talk any politics”.
Of course, from 2000 to 2009 it was “all politics,all the time”.
It’s called cowardice.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on September 5, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Sen. Chambliss: Lack of teleprompter likely led to Obama’s ‘red line’ comment

sentinelrules on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Just emailed his sorry ass. Wished I had thought to quote that.

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM

sentinelrules on September 5, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Thanks for the reminder. I amended my email to him and added the link. ; )

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I can’t deal with hearing this any more.

John Kerry repeating that Iraq was a mistake only makes the case against him all the larger.

If a functioning democracy in Iraq is an example of failure in the middle east then there is nothing we can offer them.

We can’t fix the Middle East. All we have to offer is a system of government that works among people of good will.

If Iraq is failure. There is no success.

We need to climb into an isolationist hole and forget the world if Iraq is a failure.

All we offer the world is democracy, like Germany, Japan, Korea, and Iraq.

That’s it. If we aren’t offering that what are we doing?

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 4:52 PM

The Left have jumped the shark thingy,on Buuuuuuuuuuuush!!

canopfor on September 5, 2013 at 4:53 PM

This entire administration is a bunch of corrupt liars and traitors.
Nearly a year ago, they claimed the biggest LIE ‘SPONTANEOUS’ LIBYA ATTACK WAS PROMPTED BY ‘HATEFUL & OFFENSIVE VIDEO’!!!
We could go on and on.
Zero trust,confidence or credibility. Iraq is a pathetic attempt to spin/cover their colossal failures.

Here is Allen West-I like his take:by Allen West via Facebook

Listening to President Obama in Sweden saying he never set a red line and that his credibility isn’t on the line, but rather the credibility of America, Congress, and the International community. It never ceases to amaze me how Obama never takes any responsibility for his actions. He is the leader of the United States of America and he sets the tone, not Joe and Jane. As a leader, he did nothing for all these months and now wants to enjoin everyone in his abject failure and abdication of accountability. I am not buying into Obama’s weak attempt of guilt-tripping us. Mr. President, you have not earned anyone’s respect to follow you, May I remind you of the result of your unilateral actions in Libya? Also, is it not perplexing that within the last 6 years, Pelosi, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton all sat with and praised Assad, but now they want to blow him up?

bazil9 on September 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Via RCP, he says this with a tinge of resentment, as though it’s unfair to hold Bush’s mistakes against the Unicorn Prince
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Otay AP,ya gets props,lol,……….UniCornPrince!!

canopfor on September 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Is he still married to Mary? How in the world could you live with this guy? Can he not look at what a mess Obama has made of the Middle East.

jaywemm on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

She is one sick puppy. Don’t care that he is sweet to her and his daughters. He is working at cross purposes with his wife and most of the country. A former manly Marine, loves Clinton and is even OK with someone destructive as King Barry the Ass.

arnold ziffel on September 5, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I love James Carville. He makes Chris Matthews look lucid and sane.

Bruno Strozek on September 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM

No! No, no, thousand times no. Once in awhile Carville has some lucid moments. You can NEVER say that about that race baiter Matthews.

HiJack on September 5, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I don’t think that he’s wrong that Bush’s refusal to do one of two things (get in and get out, or stay and win) has caused a lot of people to rethink how interventionist the US should be. But, then again, Obama’s own incompetence dealing with Syria (to date), Libya, Egypt, Iran, etc. probably have more to do with why people are freaked out about Obama’s lack of purpose or plan of action in Syria.

besser tot als rot on September 5, 2013 at 5:08 PM

All we offer the world is democracy, like Germany, Japan, Korea, and Iraq.

That’s it. If we aren’t offering that what are we doing?

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Iraq is still too close to call. Germany and Japan we occupied for a number of decades while raising up a generation that could implement a functioning democracy. If Iraq fails it will be because we weren’t willing to truly occupy it and train up a new generation.

chemman on September 5, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Hey, Carville. Can’t you for once in your useless lying life, just shut up. We are tired of your southern, whiny voice popping up and inserting your paid political opinions into adult conversations. Someday, HA will learn what is contributing to the discourse and what isn’t.

Old Country Boy on September 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM

From the headlines, should anyone be interested in how that went. ; ) 130 comments.

Bmore on September 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Yeah, this post was Epic!

No matter how hard you wish it. Iraq will *always* be understood as a failure of the Bush administration and it will *always* be understood as a failure. Period end of story.

libfreeordie on September 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Unfortunately, I then cited Gallup polling results from the past 10 years showing that only a bare majority of Americans (53%) consider that Iraq was a failure. And that poll had a margin of error of 4%. 42% said Iraq was not a failure, and even 51% of Democrats polled said that Iraq was better off now than before we went in.

For some strange reason, libfree fled the thread.

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Carville’s just being Carville.

He’s warming up to support his honey, Hill.

He’s and his wrinkled old, bald self been absent and silent these last 5 years…….just warming up his usual insanity.

I so feel sorry for his wife, Mary Matalin. I would have bashed him over the head with my rolling pin about about …….1994.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Waiting for Carville to blame Ken Starr next.

Texyank on September 5, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I swear……his mother had to have mated with a rattlesnake to create that face.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Period end of story.

libfreeordie on September 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM”

Isn’t it interesting how the librul idiots, like LFOD, once they have figured out what their controllers want them to say, decide that the consensus is in, end of story. Anybody saying anything else or bringing in other facts, will just confuse things and may lead some of the dumb, gun and bible clinging serfs, into the wrong decisions.

Old Country Boy on September 5, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Texyank on September 5, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Heh!

The old phart.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Serpenthead weighs in on Darth Vader vs Zombies.

dont taze me bro on September 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM

No matter how hard you wish it. Iraq will *always* be understood as a failure of the Bush administration and it will *always* be understood as a failure. Period end of story.

libfreeordie on September 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Unfortunately, I then cited Gallup polling results from the past 10 years showing that only a bare majority of Americans (53%) consider that Iraq was a failure. And that poll had a margin of error of 4%. 42% said Iraq was not a failure, and even 51% of Democrats polled said that Iraq was better off now than before we went in.

For some strange reason, libfree fled the thread.

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I love it when the low-information perfesser uses *asterisks*.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Live Updates: Syria

UPDATE: Thursday, 5:09 p.m. Senator Joe Manchin, D-W. Va. and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, issued a statement opposing U.S. military intervention in Syria:

“Given the case that has been presented to me, I believe that a military strike against Syria at this time is the wrong course of action. In good conscience, I cannot support the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s resolution and will be working with my colleagues and the administration to develop other options.”

UPDATE: Thursday, 2:24 p.m. Former Congressman Ron Paul stated today that it would be “historic” if Congress defeated President Obama’s proposal to militarily intervene in Syria. “I think [this vote] will be historic because [if Obama’s request is denied] it would be a grand coalition of the Libertarian Republicans and the Democratic Progressives,” Paul said.

UPDATE: Thursday, 2:07 p.m. Congressman Elijah Cummings, D.-Md., expressed great worry about what the U.S. would do after a military strike in Syria:

“The more information I learn, the more I am convinced that we have got to try and figure out what happens after this, because I do believe from everything that I’ve read that President Assad will retaliate.”

Cummings has not decided whether or not he would vote against intervention, but he did indicate that 95% of calls coming in to his office say “no” to involvement in Syria.

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 5:27 PM

dont taze me bro on September 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM

From reading all those tweets, I’m convinced all the pro-/anti-Assad degenerates need to meet their Allah, as fast as they can. They’re all beasts.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:28 PM

O/T Does anyone know if MadCon actually got banned the other day? I read Ed’s Buh-bye post but never saw that he in fact was banned. I haven’t seen him post anything since then though. Just curious.

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 5:31 PM

hey those asterisks give the comment gravitas like a kitty or a smiley face does

DanMan on September 5, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I love it when the low-information perfesser uses *asterisks*.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Asterisks = “Settled Science”

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Thanks for the updates, RWM.

At this point, I’m not sure which way is best for the apple to fall. If Congress goes against the Child God-King, he can use them as an excuse to cover his butt in not carrying through with his loose-lips’ bravado.

If they vote for the strikes, more American men/women will lose their lives. I’m afraid, to carry out this insane man’s loose chest-pounding rhetoric. I guess the first one, though nauseous, is the best path.

Sometimes the choices in life are between chitty, and more chitty. This first outcome would be the less chitty. No American life is worth saving this beast’s butt.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Bwahahahahahahahahah ha ha ha

Yep… IT AIN’T THE GUBrMINT THUGGERY I MIND….. JUST AS LONG AS MY GUY IS DO’N DA THUG’N

RoFlMmFaO

donabernathy on September 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Can anyone tell me what the point of dropping bombs on either side in this clusterfark would be? What is the objective? Are we just going to show Assad that we disapprove of killing people with chemical weapons by killing people with regular old explosives? You know, in a civilized way. What is the point?

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Sometimes the choices in life are between chitty, and more chitty.

avagreen on September 5, 2013 at 5:35 PM

When I was in the Navy they’d sometimes let us slip a couple of bang bangs in after all the chitty chitty. I don’t think I ever met a sailor that didn’t like blowin’ chit up.

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 5:42 PM

The left owns nothing:

1_ See the above Libfree post ( Obama finished the Iraq war while many Dems supported it.

2_ Obama’s red line excuse. The world owns it….not us. LOL.

3_ Carville’s comments when the Syria mess is Obama’s doing….even if Carville were right why didn’t the smartest man in the room (aka Obama) realize it and adapt?

No responsibility. Such chilwen.

CW on September 5, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Can anyone tell me what the point of dropping bombs on either side in this clusterfark would be? What is the objective? Are we just going to show Assad that we disapprove of killing people with chemical weapons by killing people with regular old explosives? You know, in a civilized way. What is the point?

Oldnuke on September 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM

We only know the negative bounds: enough so as to not invite mockery, but not so much that it causes the Assad regime to fall.

slickwillie2001 on September 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Enough of this Rodeo Clown Diplomacy!

TarheelBen on September 5, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Cummings has not decided whether or not he would vote against intervention, but he did indicate that 95% of calls coming in to his office say “no” to involvement in Syria.

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Call Congress!

I did. It will give them cover to vote no.

petunia on September 5, 2013 at 6:07 PM

TarheelBen on September 5, 2013 at 6:06 PM

heh

dont taze me bro on September 5, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No Jimmy, it’s the demonstrated incompetence of King Barry that has people worried.

After all, he’s the president now.

Or did you forget?

GarandFan on September 5, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Yes, James, because Obama has proved how much more competent he is than Bush in his application of military force and diplomatic maneuvering with his amazing string of successes in Libya.

Socratease on September 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM

The same was true of Egypt and Libya and they’re looking good these days, no? I’m sure things will work out.

James Carville is a former lawyer who is an “American political commentator and media personality who is a prominent figure in the Democratic Party”. That’s all. He tried to make himself an environmental expert during the Gulf spill and now he’s going to be an expert on conflicts in the Middle East? Please!

scalleywag on September 5, 2013 at 6:32 PM

All these liberals who constantly whine about Iraq being a mistake and a waste are spitting in the face of all who served there. Thanks for making us feel special Obama. Good job leaving Iraq to the terrorists again and good job serving up Egypt, Libya, and now Syria. Screw you guys, I’m going home.

vondamage on September 5, 2013 at 6:40 PM

I’m not in favor of strikes in Syria because I don’t believe the information our government is giving us is credible. It’s suspect. Nor do I believe that the majority of the rebels are moderate “good guys”. These are the folks who thought Benghazi didn’t need tighter security, so why trust them again?

scalleywag on September 5, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Carville is right. Bush won the war and lost the peace. The Bush staff’s clueless handling of Iraq after Saddam was deposed was pitiful — and that is what led to our 10+ yrs of involvement and leaving it in almost as bad a shape as it was in before the war.

Syria is different and more screwed up — worse than Libya. But it could come out as bad as Libya and it would be bad to have a uncontrolled mess like that next to Israel. At least Assad has control over his army and what it does. No one seems to control the Libya forces or the Syrian “rebels”.

KenInIL on September 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM

No, what’s freaking us out is the fact that we will be providing military assistance to groups that destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon.

blink on September 5, 2013 at 4:03 PM

100% spot on. This has nothing to do with Iraq. This has everything to do with the fact that Zero lies like a rug, no one really knows what happened in Syria, the rebels are Al Qaeda terrorists and did I mention our government and almost everyone in it LIES.

dogsoldier on September 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM

DailyKooks’ kommissar:

No longer Hoping for Change. Now Praying for a Miracle.

Resist We Much on September 5, 2013 at 7:21 PM

A Carville, ever the partisan.

sadatoni on September 5, 2013 at 7:32 PM

This debacle is an embarrassment on the world stage for Obama but somehow I can only imagine he will try to blame someone else. Republicans, racists, etc. The blame Bush was a pathetic attempt by Carville and even he doesn’t believe it.

Ellis on September 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I suppose GWB should have just “sent a message” to Saddam in 2003 by lobbing a few cruise missiles at him. Just like Billy Jeff did in 1998.

It worked in 1998. Didn’t it? Oh, wait. There may be a flaw in wrong Carville’s logic and reasoning.

Maybe things would be clearer if he explains Comrade O’s “calculus” on Syria. Demonstrating how much more competent Dear Leader will be in dealing with Assad.

Because Teh One has thought his “calculus” out thoroughly and can explain his plan to us in great detail. Right?

Can Carville explain to us how much more competently Obamessiah would have handled Saddam? And what the state of Iraq would be today? Of course he can’t. No one can say with any certainly what would have happened with Saddam and Iraq if Bush had decided to leave Saddam in place and bring all of our troops in the region home.

Carville is just taking a gratuitous shot at Booooooooosh! Which is further evidence of how desperate the Dems are to salvage some of Comrade O’s dignity out of another embarrassing mess of his own making.

farsighted on September 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM

You are wrong, you bald-headed Prick!! What’s freaking people out is Obama’s total incompetency on everything he attempts! When are you Libtards going to stop blaming Bush for all your stupidity? People are tired of it!!!

Jersey Dan on September 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Carville is a parasite. His main goal in life seems to be getting under peoples’ skin.

flataffect on September 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Carville is right. Bush won the war and lost the peace. The Bush staff’s clueless handling of Iraq after Saddam was deposed was pitiful — and that is what led to our 10+ yrs of involvement and leaving it in almost as bad a shape as it was in before the war.

libfreeordie on September 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Edited your screen name for accuracy.

A majority of Democrats say Iraq is better off now than it was before we liberated its residents. Gallup has been polling that for a decade now, and the results have been remarkably consistent over the decade.

And a majority of Democrats also told Gallup that Iraqi forces will not be able to maintain order without our help. That too has remained constant over the 10 years of Gallup data.

F-

Del Dolemonte on September 5, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Three or four hundred years from now The United Federation of Planets will be blaming George W. Bush for the Romulans crossing over into the neutral zone.

The_Basseteer on September 6, 2013 at 2:59 AM

Actually I am freaking out after Obama’s record in Libya and Egypt.

THEN we get down to Bush’s humanitarian nation building, which was doomed from the start without about a two to five generation effort.

{^_^}

herself on September 6, 2013 at 4:15 AM

What Blink said.
Expect to see more of Carvile when Shrillary starts runnin’ her campaign into high gear and he could even end up being her chief of staff. They have a very small tight knit group of in the know minions.

Kissmygrits on September 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Let’s see if I got it:

Poison Gas in Iraq is NOT a “WMD”

…but the same Poison Gas in Libya IS a “WMD”!!!

Liberal “logic” is Soooooooo confusing!!!

landlines on September 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

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