John Kerry, just thinking out loud: I can’t rule out boots on the ground if Syria implodes

posted at 4:44 pm on September 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

By “implodes,” he means a situation where Assad loses control of his WMD and we need to go in and grab them before some fanatic native outfit grabs them first. Which is funny because, right offhand, I can’t think of anything that’s more likely to increase the risk of that happening than bombing the hell out of Syrian military units who are in charge of those weapons.

I think we’re about done here, guys.

The administration has “no desire” to do that, Kerry said.

But “In the event Syria imploded for instance or in the event there was a threat of a chemical weapons cache falling into the hands of al-Nusra or someone else and it was clearly in the interest of our allies — all of us, the British, the French, and others,” Kerry said, “I don’t want to take off the table an option that might or might not be available to the President of the United States to secure our country.”

Or, to put it more bluntly:

When Bob Corker asked him to flesh out the scope of intervention he had in mind in the “implosion” scenario, Kerry retreated by saying — no joke — that he’d just been “thinking out loud” during his earlier answer. So that’s where we’re at in this first-as-tragedy-then-as-farce version of anti-Baathist intervention: With members of the cabinet confused as to whether to call the war a “war”; with the president deciding reluctantly to ask Congress for authority but making no promises to abide by their decision if they say no; with America’s most famously liberal cable network beating the drums for intervention; and with the guy who ran as the left’s anti-war champion in 2004 accusing intervention skeptics of “armchair isolationism” and, willingly or not, of enabling Iran. The fact that Waffles, of all people, has ended up in the Colin Powell role of war salesman here is so ironic that the whole thing seems a touch surreal to me, like a “Twilight Zone” twist to repay all the liberals who posed as anti-war circa 2004 but who were really just anti-Bush and anti-GOP. All we need now is Joe Wilson making the case for intervention on the Sunday shows and we’ll be set.


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Schadenfreude on September 3, 2013 at 7:42 PM

The fact that Waffles, of all people, has ended up in the Colin Powell role of war salesman here is so ironic that the whole thing seems a touch surreal to me, like a “Twilight Zone” twist to repay all the liberals who posed as anti-war circa 2004 but who were really just anti-Bush and anti-GOP. All we need now is Joe Wilson making the case for intervention on the Sunday shows and we’ll be set.

Allah, that right there is some funny chit! Brilliant!

KickandSwimMom on September 3, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Dude, the frick is going on? Where is the anti-war left?

Oil Can on September 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM

It’s September…..Indicas are ready to harvest….

repvoter on September 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Libya left in lawlessness and ruin.

obama and Hillary own it.

Schadenfreude on September 3, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The Glorious Republicans should put as much distance from this as viable, so as too merrily watch the implosion of the Obama Regime and his enviro/commie cabal….but NO, NO Let’s jump right into the middle of this pending disaster,,, even though the Dems ran us through the mud on our so called illegal wars.

These guys really are idiots. Go McCain

DWoDiego on September 3, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Obama, the least reliable person to keep his word about anything (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8R5GvwUFU8 ), is a Sunni Muslim at heart, and wants to help the Sunni desire to diminish the Shiite power in the region. He will try to suck us into another boots on the ground war to make sure, of course, that those WMD don’t get into Hezbollah or al -Qaeda hands. Everybody else (much closer) will stand back and let Uncle Sucker do it with our blood & money.

Here’s what will likely happen (1) cruise missile strikes military targets, (2) Assad in panic mode does something awful, (3) Obama announces that a “game changer” has occurred and do an invasion under claimed presidential prerogative. We’re at war and everyone is forgetting about his outrageous scandals.

I say, it’s not our fight, we have nothing to gain and we don’t know the unintended consequences of a strike. Both sides represent evil but we should fear the Islamist rebel’s winning most. Anyone calling most of them “moderate” Muslims after all that Allau-akbar killing and being killed is a fool or a deceiver.

Chessplayer on September 3, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Remember when 17 UN resolutions and 27 UN inspections wasn’t enough time to use military action?

Murphy9 on September 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Murphy9 on September 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Good times, friend. Yep, good times.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

all the liberals who posed as anti-war circa 2004 but who were really just anti-Bush and anti-GOP.

They were for the Iraq War before they were against it.

Hypocrisy Alert! Clinton, Kerry, Gore & Other Democrats Talked About Saddam’s WMD BEFORE AND AFTER Bush Became President and Called for War Against Iraq

Resist We Much on September 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

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canopfor on September 3, 2013 at 8:32 PM

canopfor on September 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Remember when 17 UN resolutions and 27 UN inspections wasn’t enough time to use military action?

Murphy9 on September 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Remember when gas used on your own people wasn’t enough?

faraway on September 3, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Everytime these people [Kerry] open their mouth they’re making the case for the 2003 invasion of Iraq Vietnam.

Twilight Zone indeed.

blink on September 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM

faraway on September 3, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Resist We Much on September 3, 2013 at 8:28 PM

The Iraq Liberation Act, signed into law in 1998 by Bill Clinton, had overwhelming support from the Dems…and G.W. Bush wasn’t even a candidate then. John Kerry, Joe Biden…big big supporters of this Act. Along with the usual Dem “leadership.” Ted Kennedy was one of those who led the charge.

But, the minute G.W. Bush began to follow the dictats of this Act…holy moley…Bush was a war criminal.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You would think that one of idiot GOP Senators would have pointed this out today.

faraway on September 3, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Even Alan Colmes realizes that intervention in Syria can lead to nothing but disaster.

talkingpoints on September 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

The Iraq Liberation Act, signed into law in 1998 by Bill Clinton, had overwhelming support from the Dems…and G.W. Bush wasn’t even a candidate then. John Kerry, Joe Biden…big big supporters of this Act. Along with the usual Dem “leadership.” Ted Kennedy was one of those who led the charge.

But, the minute G.W. Bush began to follow the dictats of this Act…holy moley…Bush was a war criminal.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 8:37 PM

I was running on the treadmill after-hours in the research wing of the VA in Kansas City the night Bush came on and laid out his 23 reasons for intervention in Iraq. IDK why, but it is one of those events that will always stick in my mind.

Murphy9 on September 3, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Was it 23…? IDK time to call it a day.

Murphy9 on September 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Even Alan Colmes realizes that intervention in Syria can lead to nothing but disaster.

talkingpoints on September 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM

My God, when you’ve lost Alan Colmes????

Not the same as Chronkite, is it?

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Our troops will be there only in an advisory position…

claudius on September 3, 2013 at 8:51 PM

What’s the end goal?

I’m not seeing an end goal. Like. Assad and the rebels will still be doing what they have been doing.

How is a ‘limited assault’ (HA! OK, sure how long will that last?) going to fix any of this?

What is the achievable, material goal to be reached here?

Sharr on September 3, 2013 at 9:07 PM

WE`RE ALLIED WITH OUR ENEMIES!!!!!!!! WTF??!!

ThePrez on September 3, 2013 at 9:17 PM

WE`RE ALLIED WITH OUR ENEMIES!!!!!!!! WTF??!!

ThePrez on September 3, 2013 at 9:17 PM

We have always been at war with Eastasia you thought criminal.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 3, 2013 at 9:28 PM

What is the achievable, material goal to be reached here?

Sharr on September 3, 2013 at 9:07 PM

We’re “sending a message.”

Yeah, I know . . .

Axe on September 3, 2013 at 9:33 PM

What’s the end goal?

I’m not seeing an end goal. Like. Assad and the rebels will still be doing what they have been doing.

How is a ‘limited assault’ (HA! OK, sure how long will that last?) going to fix any of this?

What is the achievable, material goal to be reached here?

Sharr on September 3, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Where have you been? It’s to put an end to the unbearable mocking. And everyone who does not support this worthy, national security goal is a racist.

Basilsbest on September 3, 2013 at 9:34 PM

John Kerry is one creepy dude. Gore is even creepier. Random thoughts.

TXMomof3 on September 3, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Does anyone actually think that Vladimir Putin will stand idly by while the U.S. bombs his ally?

bw222 on September 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Can Obama tax it?

If so, it’ll pass overwhelmingly.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Thousands of body bags with the remains of American heroes shipped back for mournful families to greet all across America….all to side with the likes of the Heart Eating animals we’ll be calling “Allies” and “Freedom fighters” in Syria.

And all the despicable, filthy, lying scum gop leadership can say is “Yep, we’re with ya worst President in American History. We got’s your back. What else can we do for you, you big golfing machiney weany? Is that Big Bad Mr. Assad crossing your red liney whineys?”

Hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllo TEA PARTY limited government Conservatives that we sent to D.C. in 2010 are you out there? Does Boehner have pictures of ALL of you having sex with your dogs or something or do ANY of you have a spine to publicly oppose this stampede to another War (alongside AlQueda)?

PappyD61 on September 3, 2013 at 9:39 PM

bw222 on September 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Sand bag and ammunition futures in Tblisi are gonna skyrocket.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Even Wolf Blitzer cringes at the site of our future allies in Syria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZUraRor1o

PappyD61 on September 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM

My God, when you’ve lost Alan Colmes????

Not the same as Chronkite, is it?

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I have no use for Colmes, but he’s probably more honest than Cronkite was.

bw222 on September 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM

And the Syrian rebels, maybe the al Quaeda angle has been overplayed. Maybe they are ok. Mainly, if this allows us to take out Iran it could be good.

anotherJoe on September 3, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Yeah, Al Qaeda are really good guys. Kinda like the Cub Scouts. In fact, they spend most of their time on Pinewood Derby. They just get bad press.

bw222 on September 3, 2013 at 9:47 PM

At least all those funky anti-Vietnam war songs will make a comeback, I’m thinking Country Joe McDonald here:

And it’s one, two, three, what are we fighting for…don’t ask me I don’t give a damn, next stop is…uh…SyriaNam.

Bishop on September 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM

American fighting men are being mis-used by the traitor Kerry once more, B. Obama is even worse. What he is up to is keeping the U.S.A. from look down at their feet and seeing no jobs, the debt skyrocketing, the taxes going up, the health care system being destroyed in front of our eyes. It is to make sure no reach back to Fast and Furious, Bengazie, Egypt falling apart,, the how it happen to the Seal Team 6 guys, the fact Detroit is broke on its ass, Chicago is a kill zone, southern Calif. is reverting to Mexico day by day, the borders are wide open, how lazy he is, how dumb he is, how much he hates U.S. Citizens and how big a coward he in fact is and on and on and on.

He does not give one rats ass about the kids in Syria who got gassed.

He thinks of himself and the total redistribution of all our wealth and labor to the end of time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 3, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Great. Nothing unites muzzies like US military personnel on their soil…

Doomsday on September 3, 2013 at 10:06 PM

A “D” behind a name, really, truly is a magical artifact which allows it bearer to do no wrong.

Sharr on September 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Great. Nothing unites muzzies like US military personnel on their soil…

Doomsday on September 3, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Yep, turn Assad Junior into a hero for standing up to the Great Satan.

slickwillie2001 on September 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM

The enemy of your enemy, is your enemy ?
.
Sarah, WTF ?

FlaMurph on September 3, 2013 at 10:22 PM

We need to stay as far as possible from Syria. No troops, no action, not our problem and not our job to financially support the world.

Freeloader on September 3, 2013 at 10:24 PM

According to Gajendra Singh, a retired Indian diplomat with decades of experience in Middle East affairs and a working understanding of the ethnic makeup of Syria, the toppling of Assad would likely result in an internal bloodbath that would lead to the unchecked slaughter of twenty percent of their population of twenty million. That’s four million men, women and children.

VorDaj on September 3, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Personally, I probably wouldn’t be so against this if it were an attack actually carried out by the Syrian gov.

But, the fact that innocent people were in effect gassed to death by Al-Qaeda and our government is lying to cover this up is sickening. If we were going to bomb anybody, it should be Al-Qaeda/FSA.

And I notice that Israel has dropped off the radar on this fiasco. What’s their game here?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM

that would lead to the unchecked slaughter of twenty percent of their population of twenty million. That’s four million men, women and children.

VorDaj on September 3, 2013 at 10:41 PM

So? Dog Eater’s ego is at stake here, homophobe, so take off the hood and join the human race.

Bishop on September 3, 2013 at 11:12 PM

And I notice that Israel has dropped off the radar on this fiasco. What’s their game here?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 3, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I expect that they are trying to figure out which side is the less evil and see it as a tossup.

slickwillie2001 on September 3, 2013 at 11:13 PM

The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiques are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows. It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure. We are to-day not far from a disaster.

T.E. Lawrence,
The Sunday Times, 22 August 1920

Kenosha Kid on September 3, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Kenosha Kid on September 3, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Wonderful reference.

Did a semester of Lawrence and Kipling in my younger days…20 credit hours of just Lawrence and Kipling. Best semester I ever had.

coldwarrior on September 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Lurch can’t even think silently much less out loud.

viking01 on September 4, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Hey John, would these be the same ones who threatened women and children in the middle of the night in Iraq? I guess it’s ok to use the poor troops who are there because they didn’t study hard and didn’t get into college? Boots on the ground? You think of them like dirt on your shoe.

inspectorudy on September 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Phew! At first I thought he said boobs on the ground.

John the Libertarian on September 4, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Phew! At first I thought he said boobs on the ground.

John the Libertarian on September 4, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Depends on the location and the activity involved. :-)

coldwarrior on September 4, 2013 at 1:34 AM

inspectorudy on September 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Yep, that John Kerry, alright.

coldwarrior on September 4, 2013 at 1:35 AM

If this is Kerry “thinking out-loud”, he should be encouraged to stop thinking completely (like Chuck Hagel).

We forget that Obama isn’t the only actor here, because Putin could easily say an attack on Syria is an attack on Russia, leaving it up to Obama to push the “reset” button.

virgo on September 4, 2013 at 2:42 AM

As a conservative, I opposed the Iraq War, and GW Bush. Bush was, and still is, a neocon and neocons are just progressives at heart PNAC is largely former Trotskyites. Bush created the Dept. of “Homeland” Security fer chrissakes!

mountainaires on September 4, 2013 at 6:00 AM

Meh.

Taken the troupe only four and a half years to polish their kabuki act.

socalcon on September 4, 2013 at 8:35 AM

He does not give one rats ass about the kids in Syria who got gassed.

He thinks of himself and the total redistribution of all our wealth and labor to the end of time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on September 3, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Can’t let a crisis go to waste…

socalcon on September 4, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Sayin’ Colmes is more honest than anyone just ain’t right.

Kerry did let the cat slip out of the bag when answering the boots on the ground question when he said ‘with respect to the civil war’. What the heck does he mean by that. He also said the nerve agent used had ‘the signature of sarin gas’. That’s not definitive that it was sarin. It could be a false positive. The video could have been faked. It was grainy with no sound.

On Greta last nite, Johnson (R) was asked since so many senators an reps had been told by their constituents NO, would he take that into account. He said at the end of the day, he would vote for the best interests of the USA but not necessarily not what they would want. Where do we go from here with leaders like that?

Kissmygrits on September 4, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Boots on Ground possible if policy is accepted. When did Sec. State also start wearing Sec. Def. Hat.

The Administration is beginning to resemble a previous Administration where “Sec. State” Alexander Haig., not seeing President in room claimed “I am in charge here now, this is what we’are going to do”.

Because the Administration lacks the full understanding of History, it is starting to also resemble the cast of ” Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964(.

But whose going to ride the ICBM into Ground Zero.

MSGTAS on September 4, 2013 at 10:17 AM

This was not Secretary of State John Kerry. I have it on reliable authority that the real John Kerry was on his yacht the Heinz 58 all day Tuesday. The long, flat, expressionless space age polymer mask was good, but the fake Kennedy accent wasn’t quite right and the sock puppet he used to pass for Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel was a dead give away. —Regular Right Guy … Full Caf Americano

Mornin Mojo on September 4, 2013 at 3:45 PM

AP, Would you use the photo of Kerry dining with Assad? Such a nice photo.

kunegetikos on September 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

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