White House: Ohioans will save 21 percent on premiums because of the 22 price hike, or something

posted at 10:01 am on September 2, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Help me out here, guys. The White House retweeted this tweet the other day from one of their communications people, crowing about the expected savings in health insurance premiums that Ohioans are going to start witnessing courtesy of ObamaCare (h/t, the Weekly Standard caught this first):

…Er, as much as I would just hate to blow holes in that lovely- and comfortable-sounding claim, let’s go ahead and take a look at that. The article to which the tweet links says that “Ohioans who buy their own health insurance should see an average out-of-pocket savings on premiums of 21 percent because of taxpayer subsidies,” emphasis mine, thanks to the Affordable Care Act — except that it sounds like those 21 percent savings are not based on current premium prices, but rather on expected premium increases.

Without the health care law, Ohioans who bought individual policies would pay $3,973, on average, in premiums in 2016, the study shows. But the subsidies, or tax credits, will bring the individuals’ costs down to $3,131. …

Taylor’s figure did not account for buyer subsidies, nor for the wide variety of policies that are now available, some with deductibles of $10,000 and even $25,000, that will no longer be sold. Obamacare will require a change in coverage for many, with more exams and medical conditions covered, and will eliminate some of the high-deductible, bare-bones policies now sold and used in Taylor’s comparison. …

Without factoring in subsidy offsets and the policies that people are likely to buy, premiums for individual policies in Ohio will average $5,312 in 2016, according to figures from Rand. That’s 34 percent higher than the average for individual premiums without Obamacare, Rand’s figures show. …

Based on that calculation, the average premium for individual policies in Ohio would rise by $900, or 22.65 percent. …

The price hike would be offset for many Ohioans by the taxpayer subsidy.

So, the main messages I’m getting from this happily-trumpeted article amount to, 1) that all Ohioans will in fact not be able to keep their plans even if they like them, and that ObamaCare is eliminating the very same sorts of catastrophe insurance that young and healthy people would probably like very much to buy; and 2) that Ohio average individual premiums are actually going to increase, but that some people will be eligible for subsidies that will offset the price hikes.

Wow. This is what is passing for a positive ObamaCare development at the White House these days.


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We use to half joke about Choco rations being increased from 30 grams a week to 20 grams.

rob verdi on September 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

“I actually voted against the 22% price hike which will result in a 21% price reduction for Ohioans before I voted for the 22% price hike which will result in a 21% price reduction for Ohioans.” -John Boehner, creator of Boehnercare

Glenn Jericho on September 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM

This fiasco gives “disaster” a good name. This is what happens when you have a gaggle of inept, incompetent, self serving politicians attempting to plan and implement a very complicated process. We’re screwed.

rplat on September 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

… O I H O…

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Obamacare lies, bombing Syria lies, immigration lies, unemployment figures lies, voter ID lies, Trayvon Marting lies, NSA et al lies. Whatever happened to Benghazi?

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Perverting the language, ie; “gay marriage”, and deceit are the only tools the Left has. Well, that’s if you don’t categorize Low Information Voters as tools. But not doing so would be deceptive.

oldleprechaun on September 2, 2013 at 10:18 AM

The Obama Administration is like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. No lie is to big as long as it advances the cause.

bw222 on September 2, 2013 at 10:22 AM

This fiasco gives “disaster” a good name. This is what happens when you have a gaggle of inept, incompetent, self serving politicians attempting to plan and implement a very complicated process. We’re screwed.

rplat on September 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

You forgot to use the word dishonest.

bw222 on September 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Victory is defeat! Unemployment insurance is sustainable income! Knowledge is ignorance! ObamaCare saves money! Somewhere, George Orwell is laughing his ass off.

GarandFan on September 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Obamacare is the single largest wealth transfer in the history of the planet.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Minitrue has arrived.

ElectricPhase on September 2, 2013 at 10:26 AM

What else do you expect from a wealth-transfer program? For those fortunate enough to be a target for Rat pandering, the net decrease from doing nothing (or alternatively repeal) is just over 3%. For those not so fortunate, they get to foot the bill via the 22% premium increase and increased PlaceboCare taxes.

Steve Eggleston on September 2, 2013 at 10:28 AM

I’m looking forward to drug scarcity caused by pricing controls.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM

When Reagan tried to reduce the built-in rates of increase in various government spending programs, the Democrats screamed about “cuts”.

Now, they use projected rates of increase in private insurance plans that will no longer exist to claim that their taxpayer-funded programs will be saving people money- that they haven’t spent yet.

If nothing else, they’re consistent. They lie every time. Not to mention showing an astounding ignorance of not only economics, but basic math.

clear ether

eon

eon on September 2, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Whoops; had the math wrong. I blame Mondays.

Even those with an “average” subsidy will see a hike of 1.8%, or $58, compared to absolutely positively no PlaceboCare.

All so the Sandra Flukes of the ObamiNation can do what they do with no consequences.

Steve Eggleston on September 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

My sister in law was just complaining about how much her premiums were going up. Told her that is what she gets for voting for the Chicago fool.

txmomof6 on September 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

“The math stuff I was fine with up until 7th grade…I’m pretty lost.”~ Barack Obama

zap-johnson on September 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I have not met one person in Ohio who has health insurance coverage who has not had their rates up.

From general observation in this part of the state, however, there are a growing number, fast growing number, who are without health insurance, or had their employers cut off their insurance, or simply lost their job(s) and have no coverage at all.

Bur, whatev’s Team Obama.

You have brazenly lied about everything else.

Why stop now?

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM

All this reduced discretionary household income should do wonders for manufacturing.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 10:48 AM

You would think they would just keep their mouth’s shut. People aren’t going to be fooled when they have to actually start paying for these insurance plans.

NotCoach on September 2, 2013 at 10:52 AM

“How will this benefit you? Easy, it’s a three digit number….22 percent!”

-Biden the Wonder Monkey

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 10:52 AM

This man knows nothing about policy or leadership, only how to deceive people and attack his opponents. Obama, like everyone on the left, does not talk about what is great about this country, what about it is worth defending and promoting. No wonder the country on the whole feels like crap right now, and is so ready to accept a professional complainer who promises fundamental transformation.

Greek Fire on September 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM

My sister in law was just complaining about how much her premiums were going up. Told her that is what she gets for voting for the Chicago fool.

txmomof6 on September 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Yep. That should be the standard response.

“Did you vote for Obama? Yes? Then STFU and eat the shiite sandwich you ordered.”

NotCoach on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Whatever happened to Benghazi?

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

His character was killed off at the end of “Roadhouse.” I don’t think there are any plans for a sequel.

CurtZHP on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

So the choice is now, do you go down with the ship and hope you drown sooner than jumping into the frigid water and experience pain before drowning?

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

CITING OBAMACARE, 40,000 LONGSHOREMEN QUIT THE AFL-CIO

This is really working out so well………

Rovin on September 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM

My sister in law was just complaining about how much her premiums were going up. Told her that is what she gets for voting for the Chicago fool.

txmomof6 on September 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Nothing like political talk at holiday family get-togethers.

CW on September 2, 2013 at 10:56 AM

My sister in law was just complaining about how much her premiums were going up. Told her that is what she gets for voting for the Chicago fool.

txmomof6 on September 2, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Yep. That should be the standard response.

“Did you vote for Obama? Yes? Then STFU and eat the shiite sandwich you ordered.”

NotCoach on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

It is quit simple – don’t buy the insurance until you really need it.
Just pay cash for simple doctors visits. You the doctor tells you that
you have cancer – THEN buy a policy.

In the meantime – you might have to pay a fine, er the IRS will garnish your tax “refund”…..

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 10:57 AM

I can’t wait to see what government employees health insurance looks like. It was going up about 6% a year before Obamacare. I don’t think we get the same kick in from the taxpayer that the folks on the Hill get.

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Nothing like political talk at holiday family get-togethers.

CW on September 2, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Especially over the holiday weekend when somehow the talk strays to Trayvon Martin and the evil gun culture as you’re hanging out with your liberal cousins.

Good times, good times.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Lies and statistics. Most of America has tuned these liars out by now. Unfortunately, they also have tuned out reality.

paul1149 on September 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Good times, good times.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 10:59 AM

=

More fireworks than the 4th.

CW on September 2, 2013 at 11:08 AM

“And there was much rejoicing?”


yaaaaaaayyyy….

Scott P on September 2, 2013 at 11:09 AM

When do we start shouting Heil Obama?

faraway on September 2, 2013 at 11:10 AM

When do these folks actually buy a clue, when the premiums start coming out of their checks? Oh well, this is designed to be FUBAR so we go single payer. How long will that take?

Cindy Munford on September 2, 2013 at 11:14 AM

The utter fiasco that is ObamaCare is not the result of incompetence: ObamaCare is doing, and will be doing, just what its makers planned…easing the way for single-payer.

ObamaCare is designed to muck up the private health care system so badly that the only solution will be a complete government takeover of health care.

Whether the plan will work or not remains to be seen, but given the actions of 51% of the nation’s electorate last November I am not optimistic.

MidniteRambler on September 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Nothing like political talk at holiday family get-togethers.

CW on September 2, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Especially over the holiday weekend when somehow the talk strays to Trayvon Martin and the evil gun culture as you’re hanging out with your liberal cousins.

Good times, good times.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 10:59 AM

http://clashdaily.com/2013/09/justice-trayvon-list-black-white-beatings-murders-thanks-obama/

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The utter fiasco that is ObamaCare is not the result of incompetence: ObamaCare is doing, and will be doing, just what its makers planned…easing the way for single-payer.

MidniteRambler on September 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM

And for socialism.

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Wow. This is what is passing for a positive ObamaCare development at the White House these days.

And will be trumpeted by both evil prevaricating leftist shills, and no-information voters who will happily regurgitate it as they worship at the alter of The One.

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I just saved a ton of money on my car insurance!

I didn’t pay the premium.

/Obamalogic Mockage

Key West Reader on September 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The utter fiasco that is ObamaCare is not the result of incompetence: ObamaCare is doing, and will be doing, just what its makers planned…easing the way for single-payer.

MidniteRambler on September 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM

He didn’t get gun control. He didn’t get Amnesty. He won’t win on Syria. What in the land of whirled peas are you thinking when you say he’s going to get single payer?

He’ll get NOTHING.

Key West Reader on September 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM

I’m looking forward to drug scarcity caused by pricing controls.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM

There are already shortages of very basic, yet very important drugs, which I suspect is due in large part to goofy government regulation.

Try getting some sodium bicarb or sodium phosphate or potassium phosphate or albumin.

The whole kit and kaboodle is falling apart right before our eyes.
I’m not just talking healthcare, but the nation. And it’s intentional.

justltl on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

40,000 dyed in the wool longshoremen leave the union because of Obamacare.
Just talked to a friend whose share of health insurance as a teacher is $18,000 a year with a poor salary. Will unions lead this revolt against their socialist masters?

Don L on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

And in D. C. a decrease in the amount of increase, even when there is still an increase, is a cut.

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Longshoremen’s Union Members Quit

Because.. they’re racist and stuff.

/Nah, not really. It’s because of Obamacare

Key West Reader on September 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The utter fiasco that is ObamaCare is not the result of incompetence: ObamaCare is doing, and will be doing, just what its makers planned…easing the way for single-payer.

ObamaCare is designed to muck up the private health care system so badly that the only solution will be a complete government takeover of health care.

Whether the plan will work or not remains to be seen, but given the actions of 51% of the nation’s electorate last November I am not optimistic.

MidniteRambler on September 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Suer single-payer is a goal of progressives. Obama is a corporatist/fascist. Government intervention in the market squeezes out the smaller players, and the large players such as Big Insurance feel compelled to pay protection money in the form of campaign donations(pay to play). Obama enriches his cronies, and they enrich him at campaign time. Who gets hosed? The working man.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM

There are already shortages of very basic, yet very important drugs, which I suspect is due in large part to goofy government regulation.

Try getting some sodium bicarb or sodium phosphate or potassium phosphate or albumin.

The whole kit and kaboodle is falling apart right before our eyes.
I’m not just talking healthcare, but the nation. And it’s intentional.

justltl on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I have some insider industry-related info on that, but I don’t want to post it here for several reasons. Can I email you nom link?

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM

I’m looking forward to drug scarcity caused by pricing controls.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 10:33 AM

There are already shortages of very basic, yet very important drugs, which I suspect is due in large part to goofy government regulation.

Try getting some sodium bicarb or sodium phosphate or potassium phosphate or albumin.

The whole kit and kaboodle is falling apart right before our eyes.
I’m not just talking healthcare, but the nation. And it’s intentional.

justltl on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

And:

What is the medical device tax?

The $20B tax was included in the Affordable Care Act that was signed into law in 2010. The amount is based on a 2.3% excise tax that will be levied on the total revenues of a company, regardless of whether a company generates a profit, starting in 2013. Many companies will owe more in taxes than they generate from their operations. The result will be devastating to innovation, patient care and job creation. [Emphasis added]

http://www.medicaldevices.org/issues/Health-Care-Reform,-Device-Tax/

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Well, great, shortages. Just wait until some dude’s (or many dudes) child or wife dies because a government clerk said “Sorry, they don’t fit the treatment criteria. NEXT!”

These criminals can dream all they want, when the reality hits everyone the dream is going to get ugly.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Sometimes you gotta take the blue pill. The red ones are currently available, but we gotta consider the children.

patman77 on September 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM

This is what happens when you have a gaggle of inept, incompetent, self serving politicians…”

rplat on September 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Please, it is way past time for intelligent people to pass this off as incompetence. It has all the earmarks of a well-planned and cunning evil.

If you wished to destroy America, this is the exact best route, if you hoped to thread the fine line between peaceful takeover or revolution.

Go read the 45 goals of the American Communist Party and you’ll be reading our history of the last half dozen decades. It’s all there: moral breakdown, divide and conquer, use good (abortion, it’s for the children) to do evil. Weaken the fiber, the family, the Churches (social justice) and let the government be the source of all things. The enemy God, goodness and anything that helps people become independent.
The weapons, candy from the dirty old government men:free lunch, free lust, scapegoats, PC, etc. through all media forms and education, infiltrate corporations, churches, sci3ence, medicine, etc.
It worked perfectly.

Don L on September 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM

CITING OBAMACARE, 40,000 LONGSHOREMEN QUIT THE AFL-CIOThis is really working out so well………
Rovin on September 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Funny, yes. But they’re also pissed that there’s no single-payer which they support and they think the proposed amnesty will only give higher paid illegals a path to citizenship. The cognitive dissonance, it hurts.

How on earth will they keep their cadillac plan under single payer?

AH_C on September 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

It worked perfectly.

Don L on September 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM

And they dance on our grave.

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Liberal math – it’s what they teach in OIHO public schools.

Philly on September 2, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Well, great, shortages. Just wait until some dude’s (or many dudes) child or wife dies because a government clerk said “Sorry, they don’t fit the treatment criteria. NEXT!”

These criminals can dream all they want, when the reality hits everyone the dream is going to get ugly.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

2nd Amendment Bucket List

http://clashdaily.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/newmeme.jpg

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

CITING OBAMACARE, 40,000 LONGSHOREMEN QUIT THE AFL-CIO

This is really working out so well………

Rovin on September 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Yeah, they quit because they want single payer.

The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their “Cadillac” healthcare plan.

These folks are communists – pure and simple.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

“Did you vote for Obama? Yes? Then STFU and eat the shiite sandwich you ordered.”
 
NotCoach on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

 
It is quit simple – don’t buy the insurance until you really need it.
Just pay cash for simple doctors visits. You the doctor tells you that
you have cancer – THEN buy a policy.
In the meantime – you might have to pay a fine, er the IRS will garnish your tax “refund”…..
 
redguy on September 2, 2013 at 10:57 AM

 
Except Obamacare outlaws the previous free-market option for a person to pick up the phone and buy insurance at any time.
 
Now you can only sign up after “life changes” or during annual open enrollment type periods (One month? Two?). Determined by the government:
 

In the past, individuals who were purchasing their own health coverage could apply at any time. However, beginning with coverage effective on January 1, 2014, applications will generally only be accepted during this open enrollment period. There are exceptions for “special enrollment” within 60 days of a life-changing event, such as the loss of a job, death of a spouse or birth of a child. This is similar to how Open Enrollment periods work for coverage through an employer.
 
https://www.blueshieldca.com/bsca/about-blue-shield/health-reform/navigating-reform/key-topics.sp#OpenEnrollment

rogerb on September 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM

For those of you saying unions cutting affiliations with the main one… need to understand this:

They still support SINGLE PAYER!

watertown on September 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Your chocolate rations have been increased to 15 grams.

njrob on September 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

This just demonstrates how the left, and 0bama’s regime in particular, are just simply very super scary smart and we should all give up on basic reasoning and go with these people and their version of reality .

jukin3 on September 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM

THEY VOTED FOR HIM. LET THEM EAT CAKE!!

RdLake on September 2, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I have not met one person in Ohio who has health insurance coverage who has not had their rates up.

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM

To be fair, insurance rates were going up before Obamacare was even being considered. However, the Liar-in-Chief and his handlers told us that insurance rates would go down, so the fact they are going up shows us what a baldfaced lie the whole scheme is.

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

….and we have always been at war with East Asia.

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM

To be fair, insurance rates were going up before Obamacare was even being considered.

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

How steep was the increase prior to Obamacare?

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Whatever happened to Benghazi?

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 10:17 AM

His character was killed off at the end of “Roadhouse.” I don’t think there are any plans for a sequel.

CurtZHP on September 2, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Cute. LOL!

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM

To be fair, insurance rates were going up before Obamacare was even being considered.

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

How steep was the increase prior to Obamacare?

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM

That would be interesting to see a comparison between the two rates of increase, but the big difference is that nobody told us those rates would go down as they were going up.

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

… O I H O…

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Yep.

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Any state that voted for Obama, including mine, NY, deserves exactly what it is getting in the healthcare coverage debacle…Let Them Eat Rate Premiums

georgealbert on September 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Your chocolate rations have been increased to 15 grams.

njrob on September 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5030

davidk on September 2, 2013 at 12:36 PM

That would be interesting to see a comparison between the two rates of increase, but the big difference is that nobody told us those rates would go down as they were going up.

HiJack on September 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Health insurance rates have been increasing for as long as I can remember. I don’t ever remember a rise as steep as the numbers I’m seeing coming from Obamacare. You’re absolutely right that no one ever said anything about rates going down before this debacle. I find it curious that a lot of people who pushed us into this thing now want exemptions from it. I guess since it passed they found out what was in it.

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Truth be told…I am having an Old Fashioned Labor Day here. Mixed up the first pitcher of Old Fashioned’s, already, it is past noon, so there’s that…will be swacked by the end of the second or third pitcher…and that is how it is done…gotta love Old Fashioned Holidays.

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Don L on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

They didn’t leave their union. Their union withdrew their affiliation with AFL-CIO.

chemman on September 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

40,000 dyed in the wool longshoremen leave the union because of Obamacare.
Just talked to a friend whose share of health insurance as a teacher is $18,000 a year with a poor salary. Will unions lead this revolt against their socialist masters?

Don L on September 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Not when Obama steps in and makes sure they don’t pay anything via vouchers, rebates, etc. That means you and I will pay for their insurance, which is part of what has been desired to begin with. These are just the ‘growing pains’ that will have to be endured in order to get what the leftists want in the end anyway, but couldn’t simply ‘cut to the chase’ in order to obtain.

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

A wonderful way to enslave a population, -pass laws making an essential product far more expensive, so that many can no longer afford it. Then create subsidies for your favored political base that somewhat make up for the price increases you caused!

slickwillie2001 on September 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Truth be told…I am having an Old Fashioned Labor Day here. Mixed up the first pitcher of Old Fashioned’s, already, it is past noon, so there’s that…will be swacked by the end of the second or third pitcher…and that is how it is done…gotta love Old Fashioned Holidays.

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Pitcher? Holy crap guy! An Old Fashioned is just bourbon and bitters with some sugar and an orange slice. A pitcher of that will muddle your mind. Two or three will kill you. Here’s Tom Cruise with some good advice.

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Hmmm, server push does eliminate wordy-words.

Synopsis
It’s free!11ty, subsidized, exempted, and a right.

s#!t storm on the horizon. Deluge.

btw: aren’t HSAs (there was something wrong with that one even as it existed) outlawed now?

Equal protection under the ‘law’ is now more absurd then ever.
Lawsuits, lots of them, where we are already paying the defense…
of the indefensible. Eric, that’s you buddy.

Yep, utopia is just ’round the bend…

mickytx on September 2, 2013 at 1:12 PM

I now realize that I should have said that over on the Trumka thread. Same thing different thread.

mickytx on September 2, 2013 at 1:24 PM

“Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity…and I’m not so sure about the universe” — para. A. Einstein

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

If you are going to go old fashioned, go big.

Besides, who has time to measure the bitters for each individual drink?

Mulled citrus by the bowlful. Strained…a collander will suffice,

Toss in a half-cup of sugar and a bottle of your favorite whiskey…never waste whisky…and yer done….done for…well…yeah..that’ll work.

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Ooops…to much bitters or sumpin’….

OK, new pitcher time.

The lkast one isempty is empty…and smashed all over the patio…sorta fell off the deck…yep…just tumbled right off there…

See, oldnuke, ain’t nuthin’ to it…

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

He didn’t get gun control. He didn’t get Amnesty. He won’t win on Syria. What in the land of whirled peas are you thinking when you say he’s going to get single payer?

He’ll get NOTHING.

Key West Reader on September 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yeah, but he did get Obamacare :-(

yubley on September 2, 2013 at 2:32 PM

As harsh as this sound this is karma. The OH fools voted for Obama.

bbinfl on September 2, 2013 at 3:27 PM

As harsh as this sound this is karma. The OH fools voted for Obama.
bbinfl on September 2, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I can tell you that as an Ohioan, my love for any of my fellow Ohioans who voted for Obama has long since waned. Any wish of mine to repeal Obamacare is based purely on the love of my family, friends and just plain self-interest. I only wish that I could be in the exam room the first time an OHbama-bot gets turned down for treatment, just to see their face.

Glenn Jericho on September 2, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I have some insider industry-related info on that, but I don’t want to post it here for several reasons. Can I email you nom link?

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Yes, please do.
justltl@aol.com

Thank you.

justltl on September 2, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I live in Ohio. Ever since Obamacare passed, my health insurance has gone up. The letters all say that they are front loading the increase in preparation for the full bill. Rate went up 100%

DStreete on September 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

This is definitely a net loss even before considering the fact that increased taxpayer subsidies will result in higher tax costs for taxpayers.

Chaz706 on September 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM

But remember, the subsidies only apply IF YOU ARE IN THE EXCHANGES.

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan… unless your insurer is forced to eliminate your plan… or your employer drops your plan and dumps you into the exchanges… and even if you do, it will cost you 40% more than last year, so you might as well go into the exchanges and “save money” anyway, right?

The Schaef on September 3, 2013 at 12:05 PM

What is astounding is the amount of support that still exists for this highly-polished turd among the young folks who are the ones who will end up paying exorbitant rates once they pass the 26 year-old cut-off and have to pay their own way.

There is some serious stupid going around these days.

hillbillyjim on September 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM