Heartache: Unions still really, really frustrated with ObamaCare

posted at 12:01 pm on September 2, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

It’s no secret that major labor unions have been growing increasingly disillusioned with the health care overhaul for which they themselves relentlessly campaigned and helped to ensure passage. Their angst is due to a number of reasons but mainly the way in which the law affects the multi-employer health insurance plans that unions arrange for workers often within industries that have odd/inconsistent jobs and hours, known as Taft-Hartley plans, that cover approximately 20 million U.S. workers.

Unions are really gunning for ObamaCare’s subsidies — meant to apply to low-income people without employer-sponsored health care coverage — to apply to workers covered under current Taft-Hartley plans too, because without subsidies employers will have incentives to drop the plans and simply force workers onto the exchanges. Since the great benefits are one of the supposedly prime attractions of even joining a union, you can imagine Big Labor leaders’ distress.

Last week, AFL-CIO boss Richard Trumka let it be known that he was “working with the administration on ObamaCare” to find a solution for their oh-so-unexpected plight, ahem, but other leaders are still pretty frustrated with the lack of progress they’re seeing on getting concessions. Why has the administration catered to so many other special interest groups, but not us?, they wonder angrily:

“We are disappointed that the non-profit health plans offered by unions have not been given the same consideration as the Catholic Church, big business and Capitol Hill staffers,” Unite Here President D. Taylor told The Hill. …

“The Democrats have completely given the store away to the for-profit industry,” Taylor said. “Without any question, we have a scenario set up that ObamaCare has turned all the money over to the for-profit plans and the non-profit plans will fade away.”

“With open enrollment set to begin on October 1, time is of the essence, so we are working hard every day to find a solution to protect our members’ healthcare,” said Tim Schlittner, a spokesman for the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW). …

“The administration has found resolutions for a whole variety of issues and the fact that their biggest supporters will be put at the mercy of the for-profit insurance industry will leave a very bad, bad taste,” Taylor said. “You can’t blame the Republicans on this one. This is a Democratic bill through and through.”

Ouch.


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Choke on it.

Hill60 on September 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Yep, you own it…

OmahaConservative on September 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Open wide.

Wider.

Wider still.

Still not enough. You’re going to need to unhook your jaw for this one.

aquaviva on September 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

40,000 longshoremen quit the union over Obamacare…

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/01/Citing-Obamacare-40-000-Longshoremen-Quit-the-AFL-CIO

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I try never to wish ill upon another person…but in trumka’s case I might have make an exception. He is a vile and wretched person. The only thing he cares about is the amount of money he gets for himself and his thugs from workers. Vito Corleon never had it this good

jaywemm on September 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

…JugEars butt buddy will work it out…just wait!

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I smell an exemption right around the corner. Does anyone doubt this? Yeah, didn’t think so.

D-fusit on September 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Boo-fricken-hoo.

myiq2xu on September 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Eat it.

22044 on September 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

“With open enrollment set to begin on October 1, time is of the essence, so we are working hard every day to find a solution to protect our members’ healthcare,” said Tim Schlittner, a spokesman for the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW). …

In 2008 we could forgive you for your ignorance…when you repeated it in 2012, you then earned the label of stupidity…BEND OVER SANS VASELINE AND ENJOY THE RIDE.

hillsoftx on September 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Where’s that tiny fiddle of mine?

Del Dolemonte on September 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I hate it when people get what they voted for.

patman77 on September 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Poor things, it’s as if they trusted a herd of union-office retards led by a dolt who doesn’t have the brain power to figure out a lightswitch.

I feel for them, I really do, I mean it must be tough going through life being a shiite-for-brains willing to entrust their livelihood to azshats.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

That’s how the Unions roll…

“After construction began, Philadelphia Building Trades Union militants planted nail “bombs” — nails welded together in a ball — to puncture tires of vehicles driving to and from the company site, pouring oil in front of the loading dock, blocking site deliveries, and shoving security guards simply because the Pestronk brothers hired non-union workers.

Worse, union thugs stalked the brothers’ wives and female employees, disseminated sexually suggestive materials and threats aimed at the brothers’ wives, and physically assaulted a nonmember construction engineer when he arrived at the work site.

The reports of vandalism, threats, and violence systematically targeted at Philadelphia construction employees and companies who wish to remain union-free are not anomalies. And sadly, thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court, workers and job providers targeted by union violence may have little recourse.

You see, a divided court held in its controversial 1973 United States v. Enmons ruling that violence and property damage done to advance “legitimate union objectives” are exempt from the Hobbs Act, a 1946 federal law that prohibited the obstruction of commerce via robbery, extortion, and violence.

In Enmons, the court ruled that striking union operatives who fired high-powered rifles at three company transformers, drained the oil from another company transformer, and blew up an entire company transformer substation were immune from federal prosecution. If these union thugs had been anyone else, they would have been subjected to prosecution under the Hobbs Act, but because they were perpetrating these crimes during a union-instigated strike against the company over higher wages, they were immune…”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/30/big-labors-federal-union-violence-exemption-has-cost-workers-their-lives/#ixzz2dkkP5NBC

Glad I live in a Right To Work State…God Bless Texas

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Saw that. There’s a link up on Drudge. Now if everyone else refuses, that will end that stupid monstrosity.

dogsoldier on September 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Eat it.

22044 on September 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

…from the picture…it looks like…he has!

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Because the Unions finally realized the error in their ways….
ObamaCare is a labor union killer.
Why join a labor union for the health benefits if the government provides them?

albill on September 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

“The court’s exemption gives union thugs license to harass, intimidate, and even attack independent-minded workers who are just trying to make a living and provide for their families during a strike.

Local union lawyers recently used the Enmons precedent to defend union thugs in Buffalo, New York who stabbed a construction company owner in the neck, threw scalding hot coffee at nonunion construction workers, caused $330,000 of damage by pouring sand into construction vehicles’ engines, and threatening a company representative that they were going to sexually assault his wife during a prolonged campaign of intimidation targeting nonunion workers and firms. The national AFL-CIO union hierarchy even moved to file a brief citing Enmons as reason not to prosecute the union militants…

And as a result of Enmons, Big Labor’s reliance on coercion to achieve its goals has permeated to its very core. In fact, it’s even reflected in big labor’s approach to organizing. In the 26 states without right to work protections for workers, non-member employees can be fired if they refuse to pay union dues. Meanwhile, union organizers are increasing making home visits to pressure workers into signing union cards that are later counted as “votes” toward unionization in a process commonly referred to as “card check.”

Big labor enjoys many special government granted powers and privileges but Republicans and Democrats should both agree that the exemption from prosecution for perpetrating violence should not be one of them. Fortunately, Congress has the power to override the Supreme Court’s ruling in Enmons by simply passing a law giving federal law enforcement agencies the same authority to investigate union violence as they do any other crime.

And that is why U.S. Congressman Paul Broun has introduced the Freedom from Union Violence Act (H.R. 2021) to immediately restore law and order to the American work force.

Violence is violence, and no one should be empowered to intimidate, beat up, and even kill workers simply because they do not acquiesce to union demands. Congress should act now, before someone else loses their life.

Mark Mix is president of the National Right to Work Committee.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/30/big-labors-federal-union-violence-exemption-has-cost-workers-their-lives/#ixzz2dkmzvgn4

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The ultimate irony in all of this is comes from the liberal fascists and socialists within the unions are complaining about the effects of the agenda that they themselves pushed so hard in electing a Progressive President and Congress.

rabble rabble rabble

Exactly what blowhard thugs like Trumka deserve.

Athos on September 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Unions.

Spit.

Remember these?

And did you ever actually look for the union label?

Like this one?

Or this popular one?

[I'm big into that right to work thing...if you didn't know.]

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

…maybe fatso should caddy for JugEars!…half an hour after his Syrian statement for the Politburo Press…the Pivot President was out golfing!…hey!… “working for a solution”!

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Two points here…

#1 The supporters of ObamaCare were orgasmic with Justice Robert’s strange ruling about “it’s a tax”. With all the exeptions and favors being granted, it is not being administered like any “tax” I have ever seen. They can’t have it both ways and something is going to have to give.
#2 I suspect that the unions are afraid of their relationship with their “captive” plans are going to be exposed. From we saw in Wisconsin after the schools were no longer required to buy insurance from the teachers’ union “captive”, I suspect there was a bit of a shell game going on that made it hard to see where the peanut ended up (we all know where it came from of course).

teejk on September 2, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Eat it.

22044 on September 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

…from the picture…it looks like…he has!

KOOLAID2 on September 2, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Heh :)

22044 on September 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM

In 2008 we could forgive you for your ignorance…when you repeated it in 2012, you then earned the label of stupidity…BEND OVER SANS VASELINE AND ENJOY THE RIDE.

hillsoftx on September 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Maybe you could have forgiven them for 2008 I damned sure couldn’t and didn’t. Those who voted for him in 2008 were idiots then and are now. If you couldn’t see him for what he was you’re either blind or willfully ignorant.

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Why has the administration catered to so many other special interest groups, but not us?, they wonder angrily:

Of what use are unions unless they are angry?????

answer: nothing to a democrat

ted c on September 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Oldnuke on September 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Yep!

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Does anyone think this won’t be resolved favorably for the unions? They’re just negotiating how much money will be spent in 2014 to try to retake the House.

BKeyser on September 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

waitaminnit.

I thought the existence of the government exchanges was supposed to be what saved the American Health Care System.

Not so much, huh? Figures.

dissent555 on September 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/01/Citing-Obamacare-40-000-Longshoremen-Quit-the-AFL-CIO

In what is being reported as a surprise move, the 40,000 members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) announced that they have formally ended their association with the AFL-CIO, one of the nation’s largest private sector unions. The Longshoremen citied Obamacare and immigration reform as two important causes of their disaffiliation.

In an August 29 letter to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, ILWU President Robert McEllrath cited quite a list of grievances as reasons for the disillusion of their affiliation, but prominent among them was the AFL-CIO’s support of Obamare.

“We feel the Federation has done a great disservice to the labor movement and all working people by going along to get along,” McEllrath wrote in the letter to Trumka.

The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their “Cadillac” healthcare plan.

ted c on September 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Unions.

Spit.

Remember these?

And did you ever actually look for the union label?

Like this one?

Or this popular one?

[I'm big into that right to work thing...if you didn't know.]

coldwarrior on September 2, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I still look for the union label, and run like h in the other direction. No UAW products, ever. Let’s buy our cars and trucks from (first choice) foreign manufacturers that have built factories in the USA. Second choice, imported.

slickwillie2001 on September 2, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Obama will give the unions an (illegal) exemption. They’re currently negotiating the terms, and sometime before October 1st, probably in a Friday news dump, the White House will release a brief statement about it and hope nobody notices.

AZCoyote on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

“If you like it, you can keep your healthcare.”

Seems Trumka really believed this horsesh!t. Which proves he’s too incompetent to run anything.

Or, he was told he could get the unions exempted, and he’s getting antsy that it hasn’t happened yet.

goflyers on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Schad, didn’t see you. This post is in honor of your moniker I hope you get to comment. Have a great Labor Day all.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Does anyone think this won’t be resolved favorably for the unions? They’re just negotiating how much money will be spent in 2014 to try to retake the House.

BKeyser on September 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You can’t give everyone a waiver or exemption on the ACA otherwise it’s going to collapse even faster than planned – and without setting up the argument that single payer is the ‘only’ possible solution.

The young aren’t going to participate in the numbers to make it close to working. One of the only areas where there are sufficient numbers to bridge that gap comes from union members. They are being tossed under the bus by Obama and Sebelius ‘for the greater good’ – because when push comes to shove, they are taking for granted that the unions will continue to donate and vote progressive.

The unions and their corrupt leadership don’t like being tossed under the bus – it’s costing them real money. The rank and file are being screwed – but it’s not going to get much uglier and the unions will still line up to push the bankrupt progressive agenda in 2014.

Athos on September 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I try never to wish ill upon another person…

jaywemm on September 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Admirable, and honestly, I used to be right there with you.

I left that behind awhile ago.

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Every.

Last.

Bite.

CurtZHP on September 2, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Obama will give the unions an (illegal) exemption. They’re currently negotiating the terms, and sometime before October 1st, probably in a Friday news dump, the White House will release a brief statement about it and hope nobody notices.

AZCoyote on September 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I suspect that this is precisely what will happen.

No way it doesn’t; the Dems won’t let the next election occur with the unions-at-large very, very angry with them.

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 1:03 PM

for which they themselves relentlessly campaigned and helped to ensure passage.

The labor leaders knew this wouldn’t work from the beginning. The rank and file will never admit it and keep supporting the Dems anyway.

Suckers.

Still, all this Obummer/Socialist stuff is looking increasingly like distractions made to keep even the Lefties from realizing that they’re robbing us and setting up an Islamic Brotherhood Caliphate of which the One will most likely be an integral (and very wealthy) part.

One thing’s for certain-Obamacare is a scam meant to help no one but serve as a vehicle for embezzling money from that sector of the economy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 2, 2013 at 1:03 PM

… continued …

The noise the unions are making now are just part of the negotiation process – turning up the heat on Obama and HHS to get the best possible deal when the signatures hit the paper.

Standard operating procedure.

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Seriously, guys – don’t get to happy about this ‘predicament’ – it’s false.

This will be resolved favorably for the unions in the near future. This is more kabuki – the administration’s either already in on the dance, or the unions are just doing what they always do before a strike/negotiation – turning up the heat to make the other side sweat, in order to milk the best possible deal.

The unions will get their subsidies – and the rest of us will pay for it.

There is not a single Democrat politician at *any* level in this country who loves the reliability of the union vote and money machine that will *not* be crapping their pants and applying pressure on the WH to make something happen. And it will happen.

Bank on it. Hell, I’ll bet on it – anyone giving odds against the deal happening?

Midas on September 2, 2013 at 1:09 PM

H/t Murphy9

Schadenfreude on September 2, 2013 at 1:13 PM

You got what you paid for, unions. Somehow you thought the magical waiver was coming prior to implementation next month. When you pander for that waiver, you will be doing so when the rest of the nation is so disgruntled over this nightmare that you will get no pity from anyone. Eat it.

Philly on September 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Don’t buy anything the unions or (former) union members say…..

They quit because they want single payer……

This is all for show. They are communists.

Obama will say maybe we should think about single payer since everyone hates ObamaCare….

We are headed for a future like England with the NHS – just 10 times worse.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I’m making more $$$ in right-to-work Texas than I ever did in ‘join-the-union-or-you-don’t-work-here’ Hellinois.
ESOD, Trumka!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

The real problem with Unions is not the unions or the concept of having an organized labor pool to hire from. The problem is govt. enforcement of having to hire from a Union. Without competition anything will fail from internal rot.

If you could contract with a Union the same as a temp labor service it would work fine. If you don’t get the services from the union go elsewhere at the end of your contract. When you have a Govt. mandating a Socialist organization on a commercial business it will fail. See Detroit. Unions are bankrupting Calif. The gravy train will end someday because it has to. Like Obama Care is destroying Union health insurance. Union pension plans are funded to 45% that won’t last.

CW20 on September 2, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I am a member of the Minnesota Bricklayers Union. Just this last week we were informed about the changes that will happen to our health insurance. We had pretty good coverage, a family plan with a $300 yearly deductible, 80/20 co-pay.
In order to keep the same coverage under Obamacare, they would have required an additional $3.78/hour, which would have come out of our wages. Instead, they pretty much gutted our insurance, we now have a $6525 yearly deductible.

slednfool on September 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I smell a waiver coming on.

http://freebeacon.com/the-obamacare-waivers-explained/

Clink on September 2, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Waivers or subsidies. Either way it will p-off a lot of non-union workers.

rickv404 on September 2, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I resist cross-posting from the OIHO thread.

However, lawsuits will be forthcoming on many levels of argument.

P.T. Barnum wasn’t ashamed to state the obvious, but…
at least there was some entertainment.

This crap piece has none of that.

mickytx on September 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Looks like they found out the “what is in it” part.

Meremortal on September 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM

“We are disappointed that the non-profit health plans offered by unions have not been given the same consideration as the Catholic Church, big business and Capitol Hill staffers,” Unite Here President D. Taylor told The Hill. …

Do the Unions want relief from paying for birth control too ??

KenInIL on September 2, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Yeah, they’re frustrated because they want open borders and single payer – is anyone actually reading the damn article!?!

They aren’t frustrated for any reasons conservatives are!

KMC1 on September 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I’m making more $$$ in right-to-work Texas than I ever did in ‘join-the-union-or-you-don’t-work-here’ Hellinois.
ESOD, Trumka!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Amen!

workingclass artist on September 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM

These unions might suggest their members sign the Mike Lee/Ted Cruz petition@ dontfundobamacare.com like more than a million folks have already done.
/right…when Trumka pigs fly

ziggyville on September 2, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Why aren’t the Republicans partnering with them on repeal? The Dems excel at divide and conquer during the amnesty and gay marriage debate. We should be smart about advancing our agenda using discontent among their ranks. Obamacare was an unforced error on their part. This should be a no-brainer. Harry Reid was re-elected by unions. Just get him to schedule a vote on one of the repeal bills.

xuyee on September 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Diana Nyad ashore in Key West after 35 year quest to swim from Cuba to Florida.

CNN EPIC FAIL on reporting on this. The lazy reporter could not walk 100 yards down the beach to where she came ashore. He had to talk to people that walked down the beach to even confirm she had reached shore.

LAAAAAAYYYYYYZZZZZZEEEEEE.

PappyD61 on September 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Why aren’t the Republicans partnering with them on repeal? The Dems excel at divide and conquer during the amnesty and gay marriage debate. We should be smart about advancing our agenda using discontent among their ranks. Obamacare was an unforced error on their part. This should be a no-brainer. Harry Reid was re-elected by unions. Just get him to schedule a vote on one of the repeal bills.

xuyee on September 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The unions are communist and want single payer. ObamaCare did not go for enough in their minds.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Would this 64 year old American be one that accomplished something “extraordinary” Mr. Obama??

PappyD61 on September 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Yeah, they’re frustrated because they want open borders and single payer – is anyone actually reading the damn article!?!

They aren’t frustrated for any reasons conservatives are!

KMC1 on September 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM

No nobody reads past a headline anymore.

This is all for show so that the democrats can keep pushing to turn
America into their socialist paradise.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Yeah, they’re frustrated because they want open borders and single payer – is anyone actually reading the damn article!?!

They aren’t frustrated for any reasons conservatives are!

KMC1 on September 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Here we go…class warfare. Right on schedule.

PattyJ on September 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Hey Trumka, ya fat-ass! Smile, AND BEND OVER!

GarandFan on September 2, 2013 at 2:07 PM

The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their “Cadillac” healthcare plan.

ted c on September 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM

The cognitive dissonance, it hurts. You can’t have a cadillac plan under single payer, everyone would have the same plan, but you can bet it won’t be a caddy, more like a yugo.

AH_C on September 2, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I’m making more $$$ in right-to-work Texas than I ever did in ‘join-the-union-or-you-don’t-work-here’ Hellinois.
ESOD, Trumka!

annoyinglittletwerp on September 2, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Sure, but you all have Left Coasters and Northern urbanites moving in every day. Look to see your electorate change radically over the next few years.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their “Cadillac” healthcare plan

Barred on September 2, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Barred on September 2, 2013 at 2:12 PM

This basically does not change the premise of my argument, but only substantiates the statement. Single payer would place them back on an even playing field, but taxes on their Cadillac insurance policies becomes an optic problem with recruiting new members.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:25 PM

We are headed for a future like England with the NHS – just 10 times worse.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Pfffft. Bigot. Our fascists are 10 times as smart as England’s fascists and this scheme will work this time, just you watch.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM

without subsidies employers will have incentives to drop the plans and simply force workers onto the exchanges. Since the great benefits are one of the supposedly prime attractions of even joining a union, you can imagine Big Labor leaders’ distress.

Yeah, some of those stupid brainwashed people who think their quality of life depends on the unions may wake up and find out what a scam has been going on for decades.

Happy Nomad on September 2, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Diana Nyad ashore in Key West after 35 year quest to swim from Cuba to Florida.

CNN EPIC FAIL on reporting on this. The lazy reporter could not walk 100 yards down the beach to where she came ashore. He had to talk to people that walked down the beach to even confirm she had reached shore.

LAAAAAAYYYYYYZZZZZZEEEEEE.

PappyD61 on September 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Probably another typical green-screen fake CNN ‘live’ report.

slickwillie2001 on September 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM

We are headed for a future like England with the NHS – just 10 times worse.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Pfffft. Bigot. Our fascists are 10 times as smart as England’s fascists and this scheme will work this time, just you watch.

Bishop on September 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Baahhhhaahhh, LOL…..yeah we conservatives are idiots. You know Obama goes to bed saying that…..
The progressives will keep stoking the boilers on the steam engines, even when the ship is at the bottom of the ocean.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 2:34 PM

CNN EPIC FAIL on reporting on this. The lazy reporter could not walk 100 yards down the beach to where she came ashore. He had to talk to people that walked down the beach to even confirm she had reached shore.

LAAAAAAYYYYYYZZZZZZEEEEEE.

PappyD61 on September 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

These are the same idiots that go to the Southern end of Key West as hurricanes are coming ashore and tell people to get indoors and stay safe.

Happy Nomad on September 2, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

From the article…

McEllrath also went on to say that they support stronger immigration reform than the AFL-CIO is supporting.

One ILWU committeeman was even harsher on both the AFL-CIO and the President. ILWU Coast Committeeman Leal Sundet criticized the AFL-CIO telling LaborNotes.com that Trumka was marching “in lockstep” with Obama both on the “Cadillac healthcare tax” as well as immigration.

Sundet slammed Obama’s immigration plan saying it is “designed to give [only] highly-paid workers a real path to citizenship.”

trigon on September 2, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The unions want open borders because they want more members. They are trying to lock the “new workers” in to a union life. The folks on the right who want open borders want cheaper workers.
Both sides want open borders for two completely different reasons…..

One side will win and one will lose. The losing side will cease to exist in 10 years….

it’s a battle for ultimate control and survival…..

That is why it is best if booths sides “lose” on the issue of open borders.

Shut the border down and kick the ones out who are a menace to society.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

OT:
Hey, as they say over at Ace’s place, serious you guys…

This is for the photog’s here. Sometime in the past someone had some outstanding farm house pics of TX and its skyline. I’ll find it in the rubble. Perhaps one of you know who that was.

The photography was near godliness. I am afraid I have only the url for it somewhere and that’s going to take some Perl code to find, but if that’s you, most appreciative.

The hint, as I recall was a link unto the surname of the posting.

Nearly vivid in my mind, but not for what I want to pass along to someone in an email.
Rural TX, tall skies, threatening clouds, in sunshine, near dusk… ;D

mickytx on September 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM

You can’t give everyone a waiver or exemption on the ACA otherwise it’s going to collapse even faster than planned – and without setting up the argument that single payer is the ‘only’ possible solution.

Athos on September 2, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Well, of course you can. Us working folks have neither the time nor the means to organize rallies and extravaganzas to entice media coverage. We’ll just keep working, and paying taxes while everyone who is politically connected gets their exemptions.

When has it ever been any different?

ss396 on September 2, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The unions want open borders because they want more members. They are trying to lock the “new workers” in to a union life. The folks on the right who want open borders want cheaper workers.
Both sides want open borders for two completely different reasons…..

One side will win and one will lose. The losing side will cease to exist in 10 years….

it’s a battle for ultimate control and survival…..

That is why it is best if booths sides “lose” on the issue of open borders.

Shut the border down and kick the ones out who are a menace to society.

redguy on September 2, 2013 at 2:39 PM

For greedy-union thug management, greedy-union total-employee dues-paying number of members is the primary objective, not benefits and pay for those workers.

They also don’t care whether dues-payers are citizens or not.

slickwillie2001 on September 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Lots of talk that Obama will issue an executive order redirecting allocated sums to cover union medical premiums like he did with capital workers. And by Obama math that counts as a reduction in premium expense.

pat on September 2, 2013 at 3:08 PM

I respectfully disagree. Why would unions want open borders? The cheap labor would kill their unions. And for single payer, this would not work well with their promotion of better benefits. Maybe you should reconsider your post.

DDay on September 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM

You would think that union workers would be amongst the biggest proponents of managed immigration and lower numbers of green cards.

All I can come up with is that as these Dems and Libs lose their jobs or their businesses suffer or they lose their pensions, they’ll just continue to blame the Republicans. It’s in their social DNA to do so and isn’t going to change.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Love the phrase “non-profit health plans offered by unions.” As if.

You can bet Trumka’s not making a dime on this deal.

Naaaahhhhhhhhh.

NoPain on September 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Love the phrase “non-profit health plans offered by unions.” As if.

You can bet Trumka’s not making a dime on this deal.

Naaaahhhhhhhhh.

NoPain on September 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Remember how much we found the teacher’s union management in Wisconsin was making on the side from their health-insurance scam?

That’s much more prevalent than is being reported, and it’s part of the reason why greedy pigs like Trumpka want to be exempted from Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on September 2, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Heartache: Unions still really, really frustrated with ObamaCare

According to Chris Matthews, among others on the left, if we disagree with Obama’s policies we are plainly racists. So now, using Matthews “logic” most all of organized labor are racists as well.

RJL on September 2, 2013 at 4:00 PM

NoPain on September 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Medical plan premiums are often the second largest income stream to unions and the most abused. An interesting infight is now going on, with the ILWU leaving the AFL-CIO over 1.Immigration and 2. Obamacare.
However the fight is somewhat deceptive as the ILWU is basically communist cum extraordinarily high pay demands. It wants the government to fully pay all medical costs directly to providers through business taxes. It sees it self as a government entity.

pat on September 2, 2013 at 4:39 PM

The guy in the picture has had a few too many Big Macs.
He needs Mooochelle’s diet plan.

Bubba Redneck on September 2, 2013 at 5:54 PM

These swine spent millions to impose Obamacare on all of us. Justice of a sort that they are now hating life.

Rogervzv on September 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Liberals are not very good at Newton’s 3rd law.

ObamaCare is tax or it isn’t (if it isn’t a tax we wouldn’t be discussing it because it would be unconstitutional, if it is a tax then Obama can’t be doling out waivers from his postion).

Single payor as the goal…absolutely (that’s why nobody bothered to read what they passed). But the unions don’t see they would lose the shell game they have had with their benefit plans.

Newton was a pretty smart guy.

teejk on September 2, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Hey union members, why do you pay your union leaders so much money. They are bilking you.

Oh, and hahaha with IrsCare and death panels we will all be eating cat food.

SparkPlug on September 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Hey union members, why do you pay your union leaders so much money. They are bilking you.

Oh, and hahaha with IrsCare and death panels we will all be eating cat food.

SparkPlug on September 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Lots of good people in the rank and file. It all goes corrupt the instant you get into leadership.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 6:40 PM

He’s out-thugging the thugs?

CrustyB on September 2, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Here’s What The ‘Cornhusker Kickback’ Did To Health Care In Nebraska

It was the Christmas season of 2009. The Democrats, who controlled the Senate at the time, were doing everything that they could to sabotage American health care by pushing through the Affordable Care Act.

There was one problem: they needed 60, not 51 votes to break a Republican-led filibuster. To make that happen, backroom deals were made with recalcitrant Democrats in an effort to essentially “buy” their votes.

One of those Democrats was Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska. The Democrats bought him off by guaranteeing that that the federal government would pay for Medicaid expansion in his home state. It certainly was an affordable deal: the price tag for the expansion was only $45 million. That’s a measly price compared to the trillions that ObamaCare will eventually cost.

Fast forward to 2013. Let’s dispense with the political ramifications for a moment and ask the following question: was the Cornhusker Kickback worth it to the people of Nebraska?

Nope. Health insurance premiums in that state will go up between 21% and 143%.

Murphy9 on September 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Serious, you guys lol…Obama has never liked private-sector unions, he only tolerates them.

His rotten, socialist class-warrior affirmative-action heart only throbs for public-sector unions: the ones he can buy outright.

To use an analogy that the racist left so often throws up at conservative blacks (e.g., Clarence Thomas), only public sector unions get to live in the house. Private sector unions are left out in the fields (the UAW has been the exception from this rule only because of their density in MI).

Trumka is just now beginning to face this rather inconvenient little political truth. After all, what are they going to do, vote Republican? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight…

/C’mon, Democrats, try to deny it…!

Wanderlust on September 2, 2013 at 7:31 PM

AWWW THE POOR WIDDLE WOOONIONS ARE NOT HAPPY…
- Elmer Fudd

“You can’t blame the Republicans on this one. This is a Democratic bill through and through.”
- Unite Here President D. Taylor

Two outcomes: 1) Hell freezes over 2) Concrete overshoes for D. Taylor.

Marcola on September 2, 2013 at 8:28 PM

The problem with the unions gripe is they thought Obamacare was going to be like their Cadillac plans. When they found out that wasn’t true, now they’re balking. As far as the Longshoremen go, they want a single payer plan that’s equal to their Cadillac plan, imagine the cost of that.

This freight train is heading for a derailing and the press knows it, yet they keep trumpeting the Obama line. If there’s anyone that needs to be held responsible for this tragedy it’s the MSM. They haven’t done their jobs. They haven’t earned their 1st Amendment protections. They’ve allowed themselves to become Pravda and Izvestia, which were little more than government propaganda outlets.

bflat879 on September 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

This is an opportunity to form alliances with the unions.

Offer them a deal. This is a moment to make packs. If we can cut the democrats off from what is left of labor then we can drive a huge wedge in their power base.

Yes, private labor is a shadow of what it was… but it still has great organizing power and rhetorical significance.

Cut the democrats off from labor and they’re going to find their image as the working man’s party especially threadbare.

Karmashock on September 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM

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