Wapo editorial: Maybe we should just let teachers rape students

posted at 8:31 am on August 31, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Earlier this week we talked about the shocking case out in Wyoming Montana where a 49 year old school teacher, Stacey Rambold, received a thirty day jail sentence for raping a 14 year old student who later killed herself. Just yesterday I was commenting to a friend on how I was surprised that the story hasn’t been receiving even more national attention than it has. Apparently I spoke too soon, because at least one editorial columnist at the Washington Post – Betsy Karasik – certainly had something to say on the subject. But against all belief, Betsy seems to think that the sentence Rambold received was a bit too harsh.

Sex between students and teachers should not be a crime

…our society needs to have an uncensored dialogue about the reality of sex in schools.

As protesters decry the leniency of Rambold’s sentence — he will spend 30 days in prison after pleading guilty to raping 14-year-old Cherice Morales, who committed suicide at age 16 — I find myself troubled for the opposite reason. I don’t believe that all sexual conduct between underage students and teachers should necessarily be classified as rape, and I believe that absent extenuating circumstances, consensual sexual activity between teachers and students should not be criminalized. While I am not defending Judge G. Todd Baugh’s comments about Morales being “as much in control of the situation” — for which he has appropriately apologized — tarring and feathering him for attempting to articulate the context that informed his sentence will not advance this much-needed dialogue.

There’s a lot more to read, assuming you didn’t just have your breakfast, but for most people I assume that would be plenty. Where to even begin? Ms. Karasik relates her experiences being a 14 year old girl, saying that she and her classmates thought about sex just as much as the boys. She also goes on to claim that girls were having sex with teachers in high school and college and nobody really got hurt. She generously allows that teachers who are caught “having sex with” (i.e. raping) their students “should be removed from their jobs” but only until they complete “rehabilitation.”

I remain puzzled as to how this managed to make its way onto the pages of the Washington Post, but it has. What should be obvious is that there are two separate but related concepts being placed on trial in Karasik’s column. First, statutory rape laws – flawed as they often are – exist for a reason. It is an accepted part of legal doctrine that children can not give meaningful consent to sex, particularly when it comes to a “relationship” with an adult predator. We can have a debate over what that age of consent should be – and in fact it varies from state to state – but there should be no question that a 49 year old acting out his desires on a 14 year old is miles over wherever that line may be.

But the second issue which the author ignores is one which actually exists outside questions of age. People who are placed in positions of authority and control over others must, for what should be obvious reasons, be restrained from using those positions of influence and control to engage in sexual relations. Doctors are not supposed to bed their patients, religious leaders should most certainly not be entering into carnal relationships with the flock and teachers shouldn’t be doing it with students, even if both are over the age of consent. How this escapes Ms. Karasik is a mystery.

Wesley Smith, at the Corner, sees this in even more blunt terms.

How is society “damaged” by protecting children from predatory teachers? Karasik doesn’t actually say, other than to imply that Morales might not have committed suicide had the criminal case not been pending. Despicable. Oh, and maybe students would be more likely to discuss sexual issues with school counselors.

I repeat, this was published in the Washington Post. How low can we go? I am afraid we are going to find out.

This wasn’t some “Romeo and Juliette” situation where we need to dance around the difficult questions of young people engaging in sex too early with their Main Squeeze after one of them barely passes the age of adulthood. This teacher is a middle aged pedophile, plain and simple. Does that sound judgmental and harsh? Good. Because that’s the name we give to older men (or women in some cases) who have sex with children. And that 14 year old was a child, no matter how “old” she may have acted.

Update: (Jazz) I’ve managed to confuse Montana and Wyoming again. Sorry… another fine product of the New York educational system. *sigh*


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Bmore on August 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

This teacher is a middle aged pedophile, plain and simple. Does that sound judgmental and harsh? Good. Because that’s the name we give to older men (or women in some cases) who have sex with children. And that 14 year old was a child, no matter how “old” she may have acted.

Jazz’s inner Conservative peeks out. More please.

conservative pilgrim on August 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Wyoming… Montana… who can keep these western red states straight?

Jazz Shaw on August 31, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Montana Red? Montana has a democrat governor and two democrat senators.

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Because it got buried at the bottom of the page….

Update: (Jazz) I’ve managed to confuse Montana and Wyoming again. Sorry… another fine product of the New York educational system. *sigh*

Jazz, you need to take a red-state trip. Seriously. How about a “Where’s Jazz?” Hot Air road trip series? That’d be fun and educational for all your Nor’eastern “Republicans.” ;-)

conservative pilgrim on August 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Montana Red? Montana has a democrat governor and two democrat senators.

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

It’s a big blob of land out there. Give him a break./

Rush got South Dakota & North Dakota mixed up recently when he was talking about the fracking boom in ND. Midwesterners get no respect.

conservative pilgrim on August 31, 2013 at 11:08 AM

So summing up the week, we need to sacrifice our children by sending them to failing public schools, and if they happen to get raped by a teacher while attending, that’s just life.

WisCon on August 31, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Yep. Otherwise we’re “bad people”. I’m enjoying being all “bad” at this point. Private schools and church! Voting against Democrats really takes it to the next level.

happytobehere on August 31, 2013 at 11:08 AM

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I wasn’t gonna say a word. Its early? Rough Friday evening? Second correction? Be intersting to see Jazz back down here in the thread again. Bets?

Bmore on August 31, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The victim killed herself over this and the pedo gets a month in the clink?

O_O

Hoo boy, where is the Dad or uncles to pull an Apocalypse Now on the bastige?

Bishop on August 31, 2013 at 11:09 AM

And now to the WaPo comments. Many call out the “writer” but there are still some like this:

Good editorial.

-snip-

A good decade or so researchers published in a prominent and highly respected journal yet another article strongly suggesting that many young persons aren’t particularly, pdamaged by sex with an adult. The American Psychological Association demonstrated itself to be without backbone when it abandoned its committment to intelligent, rigorous investigation and tried to throw the researchers to the wolves (the same wolves who prowl this forum). Fortunately, the larger scientific community roundly criticised the APA’s lack of integrity and courage.

-snip-

A high school teacher who has sex with a student is not likely to be a monster. There are unfortunately no certainities. Glad WaPo has reopened the debate. It took a lot of guts.

“It Burns!”

Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2013 at 11:12 AM

The “author” of this steaming heap’s website:

http://www.betsykarasik.com/imagepages/abouttheartist.htm

Del Dolemonte on August 31, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Legitimizing statutory rape.

Age of consent, here we come.

njrob on August 31, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Planned Parenthood has covered for these types on several occasions …and guess what we give them tax money…..

CW on August 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Bets?

Bmore on August 31, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Hey, he admitted it was from a failed yankee education system.

I don’t see him coming back here before lunch.

He doesn’t want y’all meanies taking his lunch money, again.

It’s a big blob of land out there. Give him a break./

conservative pilgrim on August 31, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I don’t rely much on what anybody outside of that red strip in the middle of the country has to say about red/blue. And folks from Kansas are on probation.

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Liberals are not just different, they’re the enemy.

Akzed on August 31, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Just reminds me so much 0f those other barbarians in the middle east who rape their women and children and legally get away with it.

JellyToast on August 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM

This is the real reason the leftie trash don’t want guns in or near schools, they’re afraid that outraged parents will shoot the teachers who are raping their children. Bishop on August 31, 2013 at 10:53 AM

It wouldn’t stop anyone who’s determined enough. Schools are, after all, gun-free zones.

Someone left the irony on.

Akzed on August 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM

love is love!!

Sachiko on August 31, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Just reminds me so much 0f those other barbarians in the middle east who rape their women and children and legally get away with it.

JellyToast on August 31, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Preparing for the rollout of sharya law.

slickwillie2001 on August 31, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I don’t rely much on what anybody outside of that red strip in the middle of the country has to say about red/blue. And folks from Kansas are on probation.

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM

You must be a Tigers fan. I don’t care for the Jayhawks either.

conservative pilgrim on August 31, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Giving a break to teachers (no matter the age till 18) is blatantly unethical. As they are de facto parents given the legal requirement that children have to go to school and how they have no rights while there, they are the ones fully responsible. So what this idiot woman editorialist is saying is that she supports government paid rapists. Thats feminist equality for ya.

Although I have a feeling that what is really behind Betsy Karasik’s view is that she is jealous that she didn’t get to sleep with whatever teachers she had crushes on back in school. This is thinking with her groin, spinning that hamster wheel to justify it.

oryguncon on August 31, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Where’s our low-information perfesser to opine on this?

slickwillie2001 on August 31, 2013 at 11:40 AM

So… what’s the difference?

‘Indignation as Sudan’s president releases rapist imam’: victim’s relative KHARTOUM 30 Aug

A presidential order to release a convicted rapist has prompted indignation and discontent, especially from the relatives of the victim.

A relative told Radio Dabanga that on Thursday, President Omar Al Bashir issued a presidential order to release imam Noor Al Hadi Abbas Noor Al Hadi, who was convicted of raping a female student in 2012.

The imam was sentenced to a 10-year prison sentence and 100 lashes for the rape.
~

“Imams should be allowed to rape whoever they want,” -Betsy Karasik.

Akzed on August 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM

So… what’s the difference?

Akzed on August 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM

There isn’t one.

Except liberals try to justify all kinds of abuses on people individual sacrifices by saying it is for the greater good.

cozmo on August 31, 2013 at 11:48 AM

It wouldn’t stop anyone who’s determined enough. Schools are, after all, gun-free zones.

Someone left the irony on.

Akzed on August 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM

My son was recently in a select team baseball tournament in a small town near Houston, a very conservative town I should add. Hardly a precinct in the entire county and city ever votes Democrat. Near the baseball fields is an elementary school and, as we drove by, we were shocked to see a sign out front that “proudly” advertised:

– “A Tobacco and Gun Free School”

What were they thinking? It’s one thing to ban guns in a school, which I oppose because teachers and admins should be allowed required to carry, but to tell the world that it is a gun free zone is to put a target on everyone there. Complete idiocy.

TXUS on August 31, 2013 at 11:49 AM

There shouldn’t even be a discussion about this topic. There is no moral ‘gray area’, there is no ‘age of consent’ consideration here. The education system blows dog, but even a teacher should be able to understand a few basic rules. Here are mine, and The Law(TM) can place its lips on my posterior and kiss it repeatedly:

If you’re a teacher, and if you lay a hand on either one of my underage children with sexual intent, I will shoot you four times with my Colt .45 autoloader. I do not care if either of them were ‘asking for it’; or if they came on to you; or how they were dressed (my daughters do not dress like Vegas prosties because we parents will not let them and we know what’s in their wradrobe).

Here is where I will shoot you: Both knees, your groin (I don’t care if the teacher trying to rape my daughter is male or female), and your face.

I will use unjacketed lead bullets, cut to be what in WWII was called a dum-dum, with my own improvements.

End of discussion.

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Complete idiocy.

TXUS on August 31, 2013 at 11:49 AM

If liberals had any wits about them, they wouldn’t be liberal.

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 11:54 AM

So summing up the week, we need to sacrifice our children by sending them to failing public schools, and if they happen to get raped by a teacher while attending, that’s just life.

WisCon on August 31, 2013 at 10:51 AM

And if your 13-year-old daughter happens to become pregnant after being raped by her middle-aged pedophile teacher, she can get a surgical abortion (in California, performed by a nurse), and never even have to tell you about it!

It’s a brave new world, brought to us by brain-dead liberals.

AZCoyote on August 31, 2013 at 12:05 PM

This is disgusting and wrong. But there is another point. For all the talking about sex in schools and possibly between teachers (pedophiles) and students there is another angle, often ignored.

THere are many students in high school and even college who are unsure of themselves, shy, timid, dealing with problems, etc. Can you imagine (or try to imagine) what it would be like for a teacher to have sex with someone with any of these traits? Schools are supposed to be safe places for kids, including those who are shy, etc. And to have to add this abhorrent behavior to the environment and let the perpetrator off with a hand-slap? Give me a break.

The left constantly tells us “everything is for the kids” – at camps, group homes, etc. and now, in essence, they’re saying, “Hey, it’s ok – kids know about sex, they have sex, so adults can take advantage of them.” What happens when a teacher rapes a student in a same-sex situation? Will the left say this is ok, too?In reality, the left is for adults of any ilk, period.

Standards, standards, standards. We better return to them or …….

MN J on August 31, 2013 at 12:09 PM

claudius on August 31, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Nice, and I would add that my horse had trouble yesterday negotiating the wagon wheel ruts as a very large grizzly bear lunged at us from the bush.
Luckily I had my bowie knife and I fought him off just as a a blizzard drifted in and I had to eat my shoe leather for lunch.

MontanaMmmm on August 31, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Maybe we should just let teachers rape students

This kind of thinking doesn’t cause any blowback at all. Keep it up.

Kenosha Kid on August 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM

If the patients and penitents are incapable of giving consent, then you’re damn right we should be jailing doctors and priests.

Shit, in many jurisdictions, I could lose my law licence, have it suspended, be reprimanded and/or fined for having CONSENSUAL sex with a client in certain situations.

Resist We Much on August 31, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Which, again, is all well and good.

But I’m talking about students, or patients, or penitents, who have reached age of consent according to the state in which they live, who have relations with a teacher, or doctor, or priest, and who are of sound mind.

Should the District Attorney be involved in any of those cases…?

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM

But the second issue which the author ignores is one which actually exists outside questions of age. People who are placed in positions of authority and control over others must, for what should be obvious reasons, be restrained from using those positions of influence and control to engage in sexual relations. Doctors are not supposed to bed their patients, religious leaders should most certainly not be entering into carnal relationships with the flock and teachers shouldn’t be doing it with students, even if both are over the age of consent. How this escapes Ms. Karasik is a mystery.

Jazz, this is where you lose me. The entire concept of “authority and control over others” is ridiculous – being a teacher or a priest or a doctor or whatever other “position of authority” you want to pick, does not suddenly give a person the power to force a sexual relationship. If a person finds a person attractive and they consent to having relations, why should anyone care?

Now, if a person used their position to FORCE a sexual encounter – that’s different – and is why a person in a “position of authority” should be smart enough to stay away from doing something which could be misconstrued.

But simply saying someone is a victim because they slept with a priest (eeeew) or a doctor or whatever, is ridiculous. It undermines the entire concept of personal responsibility as well, in that it converts sex partners into “victims”.

KMC1 on August 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Planned Parenthood has covered for these types on several occasions …and guess what we give them tax money…..

CW on August 31, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Government endorsed child rape.

njrob on August 31, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I haven’t read two pages of comments, so if someone else has made the point already, please excuse me.

received a thirty day jail sentence for raping a 14 year old student

ummmm, no. He got a 30 day sentence for violating the terms of his probation. The prosecutor wanted the court to impose the entire suspended sentence, which the court declined to do, deeming the violations as not sufficient to justify imposing the entire suspended term.

Not a justification of the propriety of the original sentence or the judge’s remarks at the revocation hearing.

novaculus on August 31, 2013 at 12:33 PM

The entire concept of “authority and control over others” is ridiculous – being a teacher or a priest or a doctor or whatever other “position of authority” you want to pick, does not suddenly give a person the power to force a sexual relationship. If a person finds a person attractive and they consent to having relations, why should anyone care?
KMC1 on August 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The notion of a sexual predator – doctor, clergy, schoolteacher, employer, whatever – going through a list of potential victims to see which are “old enough” to be coerced into sex just doesn’t set too well with me for some odd reason.

whatcat on August 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM

novaculus on August 31, 2013 at 12:33 PM

You can bet your bottom dollar, too (after Obama taxes it), that there are people out there who think the 30 days is still too harsh a penalty. Worse, not all of them would touch an underage with whom to have sex. They’re just common liberals.

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Obama wants age appropriate sex ed for kids in kindergarten; maybe they think this is what is age appropriate for 14 year olds in government school?

besser tot als rot on August 31, 2013 at 1:17 PM

But I’m talking about students, or patients, or penitents, who have reached age of consent according to the state in which they live, who have relations with a teacher, or doctor, or priest, and who are of sound mind.

Should the District Attorney be involved in any of those cases…?

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM

No, but that isn’t the issue in this case. You asked if we should be jailing priests and doctors for having sex with their penitents and patients. I said no unless they were incapable of giving consent. The girl in this case was 14 – below the age of consent.

My point is that I can be punished for having CONSENSUAL sex with a client. Why shouldn’t a teacher? What if a college professor tells a student that she will receive a failing grade unless she ‘consents’ to having sex with him? There is an uneven level of power in the relationship.

On an ethical level, doctors and priests (more the former) are often censured for having consensual sex. In a divorce case, a lawyer can lose his licence for having sex with his client because, it is assumed in many jurisdictions, that the latter is in a vulnerable condition. Lawyers have also been known to tell clients that they will charge less in exchange for sex. This is true, too, with doctors.

If a doctor was taking advantage of women by telling them that having sex with him could alleviate their conditions, what do you think should happen to him?

If a CEO tells his secretary that she must have sex with him in order to keep his job, is that fine because they are both of the age of consent and she did ‘consent’ – even though it was under duress?

Resist We Much on August 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Obama wants age appropriate sex ed for kids in kindergarten; maybe they think this is what is age appropriate for 14 year olds in government school?

besser tot als rot on August 31, 2013 at 1:17 PM

My concept of ‘age appropriate’ sex ed for five-year-olds is this: No, not any.

We hear this trash talk all the time, all these lofty promises from liberals. But what have liberals done to any endeavor except corrupt it? Liberals don’t police their own, so why in blazes should they be trusted with the sexual ‘education’ of anyone’s children except their own. Well, those babies they didn’t murder, that is.

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 1:27 PM

If a CEO tells his secretary that she must have sex with him in order to keep his job, is that fine because they are both of the age of consent and she did ‘consent’ – even though it was under duress?

Resist We Much on August 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM

There you go again — muddying the waters with truth and facts, destroying liberal arguments.

The reason all this is okay is because SHUT UP!

Now you have the liberal perspective on the matter. Ours don’t count.

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Thx, Liam, and that should be:

‘If a CEO tells his secretary that she must have sex with him in order to keep HER job…’

Resist We Much on August 31, 2013 at 1:33 PM

I’m going to go apply for a job as a high school teacher right now. If this is getting published in WaPo, surely open season on under age booty is just around the corner? Right? Maybe they can incorporate that into the kindergarten sex-ed curriculum: there’s inappropriate touching, but if your teacher makes you feel warm and fuzzy and excited inside, then it’s OK, because that can’t be wrong.

Xasprtr on August 31, 2013 at 1:35 PM

She should cowrite an article with Allison Benedikt:

If You Don’t Allow Your Kids to be Raped at a Public School, You Are a Bad Person
A manifesto.

I am not an education policy wonk: I’m just judgmental. But it seems to me that if every single parent sent every single child to be raped in public school, public school rape would improve. This would not happen immediately. It could take generations. Your children and grandchildren might get mediocre rape in the meantime, but it will be worth it, for the eventual common good.

29Victor on August 31, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Thx, Liam, and that should be:

‘If a CEO tells his secretary that she must have sex with him in order to keep HER job…’

Resist We Much on August 31, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Well, we all know how that worked with Feel ‘Em Up Filner: It’s perfectly okay among highly-placed Democrats and all other liberals to grope long as the assailant favors abortion.

Ever notice the subjects our trolls rarely touch? And, if they do pop in on a topic delicate to their liberalism, they try changing the subject?

Yet they keep claiming WE are loons in our America!

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Here is where the author went astray – she confused her painting philosophy with civil mores. In other words, brain damage from huffing lacquer thinner.

From her web page:

For me, the magic of painting is to enter a realm unbound by everyday rules and conventions

fred5678 on August 31, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Leftardism will be covered by obama’care’, and you know it.

Quit calling them “liberals and progressive”. They never are.

Schadenfreude on August 31, 2013 at 1:56 PM

First the whole “Miley Sirus defiles the innocence of all children” thing, and now this.
The pedophiles have been busy recently.

Count to 10 on August 31, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The first line of her op-ed:

There is a painfully uncomfortable episode of “Louie” in which the comedian Louis C.K. muses that maybe child molesters wouldn’t kill their victims if the penalty weren’t so severe.

Of course, that logic could be extended to all sorts of crimes. Maybe armed robbers wouldn’t kill their victims if we made robbery legal so there was no need to take out the witnesses.

Dolt.

Hayabusa on August 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM

novaculus on August 31, 2013 at 12:33 PM

t
That’s wrong.

The agreement was if he successfully completed the rehab program then the charges would be dropped. He failed to complete the rehab, so the prosecutor pressed the charges. The teacher was found guilty, sentenced to 20 years with ALL but 31 days of the sentence suspended plus 1 day credit.

He will only serve 30 days for nonconsensual sex with a 14 year old girl who ended up taking her own life.

Spliff Menendez on August 31, 2013 at 2:04 PM

She also goes on to claim that girls were having sex with teachers in high school and college and nobody really got hurt.

Yeah, but what if the 14 year old gets pregnant? Oh yeah, she can have a wonderful, government provided abortion experience! So, no problem! Forward!

yubley on August 31, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Hoo boy, where is the Dad or uncles to pull an Apocalypse Now on the bastige?

Bishop on August 31, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Presumably keeping their mouth shut and biding their time.

Fenris on August 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM

When will this Leftist loon be penning an article bemoaning the witchunt against the 1% of homosexual priests who were just introducing some loving to the post-pubescent males in their world?

kingsmill on August 31, 2013 at 3:06 PM

What did Hilary say: What does it matter? Hey they butcher womans insides and kill babies in the womb, why not let pedophiles have their way. Pretty soon the union will be bargaining for this in their teachers contracts. Can you see the picket signs…No sex with minors, no contract. And besides, haven’t the female teachers been doing this and getting caught more than males. In liberalese: That’s not fair to male pedophile teachers. Come Lord Jesus, please come soon.

crosshugger on August 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM

War on girls.

Arnold Yabenson on August 31, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Update: (Jazz) I’ve managed to confuse Montana and Wyoming again. Sorry… another fine product of the New York educational system. *sigh*

In the future, just use “flyover country.” We’ll work it out from there.

Arnold Yabenson on August 31, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Ms. Karasik is possibly getting confused between a moral life and porn site incest fantasy she probably watches or reads.

rlwo2008 on August 31, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Now that gays are totally legit the next civil rights movement will be pedophiles and polygamists. Progressives call this progress. It looks like the media has begun the push for legalization of pedophilia…who could have guessed this was next in our relativist world.

Doomsday on August 31, 2013 at 3:39 PM

A good decade or so researchers published in a prominent and highly respected journal yet another article strongly suggesting that many young persons aren’t particularly, pdamaged by sex with an adult.

People are delusional if they think that this isn’t either the next step or one after polygamy for the sexuality /equal rights “born that way” crowd.

It is also another symptom of our perpetual childlike society. Age is just a number etc. I am sick to my stomach thinking that there are people out there who can justify a teacher using his/her position of power over an easily-influenced adolescent. It is the ultimate abuse of power, and destroys the victim and their future trust in others.

melle1228 on August 31, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Jazz, this is where you lose me. The entire concept of “authority and control over others” is ridiculous – being a teacher or a priest or a doctor or whatever other “position of authority” you want to pick, does not suddenly give a person the power to force a sexual relationship. If a person finds a person attractive and they consent to having relations, why should anyone care?

- snip -

But simply saying someone is a victim because they slept with a priest (eeeew) or a doctor or whatever, is ridiculous. It undermines the entire concept of personal responsibility as well, in that it converts sex partners into “victims”.

KMC1 on August 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM

You’ve never heard of “grooming”?

Mitoch55 on August 31, 2013 at 4:29 PM

But simply saying someone is a victim because they slept with a priest (eeeew) or a doctor or whatever, is ridiculous. It undermines the entire concept of personal responsibility as well, in that it converts sex partners into “victims”.
KMC1 on August 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM

You’ve never heard of “grooming”?
Mitoch55 on August 31, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Yup, I was alluding above to that point, also. e.g. A doctor who has had his eye on an 11 year old and grooms her until she’s 16 before abusing both her and his position of authority.

whatcat on August 31, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I read the news and it makes me feel like I’ve been transported to an alternate universe. I mean, what the hell has happened to our country?

If any teacher ever had sex with my child, they better pray the police catch them before I do.

Fazman on August 31, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I bet this Betsy Karasick woman probably has fantasies about getting it on with an underage student.

bluegill on August 31, 2013 at 10:34 AM

…you’re not projecting again…are you?

KOOLAID2 on August 31, 2013 at 5:42 PM

It undermines the entire concept of personal responsibility as well, in that it converts sex partners into “victims”.
KMC1 on August 31, 2013 at 12:20 PM

When they’re 14…they are victims. Quit freak.

CW on August 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM

But I’m talking about students, or patients, or penitents, who have reached age of consent according to the state in which they live, who have relations with a teacher, or doctor, or priest, and who are of sound mind.

Should the District Attorney be involved in any of those cases…?

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2013 at 12:19 PM

If you have a job of any type around kids(age of consent or not) YOU NEED TO TELL people what you believe about this subject. They’d better watch you freaks closely.

CW on August 31, 2013 at 5:59 PM

This article smacks of link bait. Just like the Slate editorial asserting that parents who send their kids to private school are evil. Wapo just looking for hits. I’m not suggesting they don’t fundamentally believe parents have a duty to send their kids to public school. Just that the almighty dollar has an impact on how the story gets written. Can you imagine how conflicted those journalists must be? Having to compromise their “art” by writing the story in a way that will generate the most page views . . .
But they wouldn’t see a conflict if the economics fit with the general ideology.

An Objectivist on August 31, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I can’t see that Jazz Shaw allows for any difference between an eight-year-old and a fourteen-year-old or between a willing participant and a forced one. Throughout the post, he raises no consideration of a girl’s thoughts or feelings about the treatment either of her or of her “rapist.” It’s doubtful whether I can put myself in the shoes of a fourteen-year-old girl, either. However, I think if I were a man-crazy fourteen-year-old being treated exactly like a brutalized eight-year-old, without due consideration of my role in the events leading up to a man’s trial or consideration of my feelings, I think I might commit suicide, too.

Marsili.us on August 31, 2013 at 6:26 PM

ExpressoBold on August 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Oh, you poor baby (boomer) are the slaves not picking up enough of your living expenses?

astonerii on August 31, 2013 at 7:35 PM

And we begin the slide down the slippery slope the Libs say doesn’t exist.

goflyers on August 31, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Person in position of power has sex with someone they are responsible in caretaking. This is the same situation with prison guards.

scrubbiedude on August 31, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Throughout the post, he raises no consideration of a girl’s thoughts or feelings about the treatment either of her or of her “rapist.”
Marsili.us on August 31, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Yeah! Where’s the sympathy for adult rapists who prey on kids? Life is so unfair for those poor guys! Then heartless people add to the predator’s pain by expecting them to not rape kids. What kind of monsters are people who won’t allow those wonderful adults who are in positions of power to sexually abuse the children placed in their care!??!! It’s a real head scratcher, it is.

whatcat on September 1, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Here is a guy who take his parental responsibility seriously:

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 11:52 AM

BigAlSouth on September 1, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Liam on August 31, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I have to take issue with that!
That lead is going to foul your barrel something awful.
There’s nothing wrong with commercial jacketed hollow points.

justltl on September 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Why should teachers have all the fun?!?!

Akzed on September 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Jazz is an idiot on this one

This teacher is a middle aged pedophile, plain and simple.

No, actually, he is not. Look it up, stupid. This isn’t a matter of opinion. Pedophile is a specific psychological diagnosis and this guy clearly doesn’t fall within it.

Google/Wikipedia are your friends, Jazz. You are as much a pedophile as he is.

p.s. to my fan club: unlike you people im not so obsessed with this topic. I beat you into the ground on that last topic and see no need to repeat myself. I only came around this time to smack down Jazz. Feel free to spew your stupidity amongst yourselves in my absence. :)

kaltes on September 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Nice, and I would add that my horse had trouble yesterday negotiating the wagon wheel ruts as a very large grizzly bear lunged at us from the bush.
Luckily I had my bowie knife and I fought him off just as a a blizzard drifted in and I had to eat my shoe leather for lunch.

MontanaMmmm on August 31, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Just another day in Montana!

claudius on September 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Video: Horrific teen gang rape by teens in broad daylight in Wilmington

Watch the Video @ 55s mark.

City councilwoman Sherry Dorsey Walker (self-described “juvenile justice” advocate) has the temerity to climb up on her hind legs and howl about what the gang rapists need;

“…what do [gang rapists] need from society to make better choices?”

That’s the “Wilmington native” natural response? Enlist gang rapists in her schemes to extort more from “society” (read: taxpayers).

gang rape enabler

Terp Mole on September 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

kaltes , true coward. Lolz!

Bmore on September 2, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Oh, you poor baby (boomer) are the slaves not picking up enough of your living expenses?

astonerii on August 31, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I haven’t even seen the person’s post you are replying to, but my goodness, you harp on this topic any time I happen to visit Hot Air, about people of differing generations paying for other people via taxes. You have a bug up your behind about people not having children, even though it’s their free choice not to, or some people want them can’t have them (infertility), while some women are traditional and want to marry before having a kid but can’t get a husband.

If you are single every day is tax day

TigerPaw on September 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM

ratherbskiing on August 31, 2013 at 9:00 AM

I don’t know how pertinent her child status is, whether she has one or not.

Some right wingers do not have children, either by choice or by circumstance (they want them but cannot have them).

I think it may be more relevant to mention (and she does) that she was once a kid.

I don’t agree with her views, though. I was once a 14 yo girl and would not have wanted any person of any age to rape me. I would think she would remember what it was like to be a kid and how scary and intimidating it was to get unwanted sexual attraction especially from adults, but no.

TigerPaw on September 2, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Dumbazz hater… you are just a box of rocks spewing all over the place. I’m a boomer and I never espoused this. I also collect Social Security and work a full time job with medical benefit! Waddya got to say about that, azzwipe leftovers?
.
You are nothing but puke, vomitus remaining from a drunken bender.

ExpressoBold on August 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM

I am not a baby boomer.

The guy to whom you are talking does this on about any thread I’ve seen him post on.

He also spews insult at anyone (including conservatives, it’s not just liberals who don’t have kids) who does not have children.

Never mind not having children is an acceptable, personal choice everyone is free to make, and that some people can’t afford to have one; some know they would not be able to deal with the responsibility; some are infertile and want one but can’t have one; some consider having them but can’t get married, and believe you should have a spouse to have kids.

None of that seems to matter to this guy.

TigerPaw on September 2, 2013 at 4:36 PM

unwanted sexual attraction especially from adults, but no.

I meant “attention” not “attraction”

Remember all those complaints that homosexual marriage will lead to acceptance of pedophilia?

Yeah, told you so.

sentinelrules on August 31, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Some people have already been doing that with zoophilia, in the USA and in Europe.

Bestiality brothels are ‘spreading through Germany’ warns campaigner as abusers turn to sex with animals as ‘lifestyle choice’

TigerPaw on September 2, 2013 at 4:42 PM

From the beginning, the only word I’ve had for this case was “sad.”

factsonlypls on September 2, 2013 at 11:38 PM

This is just the left-wings next step:
Normalizing pedophilia.

GardenGnome on September 3, 2013 at 10:27 AM

This deviant judges ruling has been overturned. Montana has a mandatory 2 year minimum sentence for this crime. The monster will be doing longer than 30 days. Whatever time he does serve still won’t be long enough.

Buttercup on September 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM

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