UK, Germany, Italy out, France still in on Syria strike

posted at 10:01 am on August 30, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

After the stunning “no” vote in the UK Parliament, President Obama’s “coalition” partners have pretty much dwindled to  … France.

The British parliament voted late Thursday against military action in Syria, whittling down the core of the planned coalition to the United States and France. Italy and Germany have said they won’t take part in any military action.

The British ‘no’ vote raised questions about France’s participation — and ratcheted up pressure on U.S. President Barack Obama, who is also facing domestic skepticism about military intervention in Syria.

Amid the resistance, the U.S. administration shared intelligence with lawmakers Thursday aimed at convincing them the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people and must be punished.

Obama appeared undeterred by the difficulties forming an international coalition, and advisers said he would be willing to retaliate against Syria on his own.

“The president of the United States is elected with the duty to protect the national security interests in the United States of America,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest.

Of course, the administration has yet to define how hitting Syria “to deter and degrade” does anything to “protect the national security interests of the United States”.  In fact, even the most ardent of Obama’s supporters and supporters of the strike are finding it difficult to do that.  While the White House spokesman is completely right about the duty of the president, a strike on Syria has no justification under that “duty to protect the national security interests” of the country.  Until it can, it has no justification, legal or otherwise, for striking Syria.

As the cite mentions, not only is Britain out, but Germany and Italy have made it clear that they’ll not be participating in any strike on Syria.  So America’s oldest ally as well as our predominant NATO allies have opted out.

That leaves France:

France sent a clear signal on Friday that it was preparing strikes against the regime of Bashar al-Assad, with President François Hollande saying the Syrian government’s alleged use of chemical weapons against its own people cannot go unpunished.

“There are few countries with the capacities to inflict sanctions with the appropriate means,” Mr. Hollande said. “France is among those. It is ready.”

The French President said he would speak about the situation in Syria with U.S. President Barack Obama later Friday.

Hollande doesn’t have to get the French Parliament’s okay to commit France’s armed forces, but by law, he must inform Parliament within 3 days of any such commitment.  France has scheduled an emergency meeting for Sept. 4.  I assume you can do the simple math necessary to make an educated guess when France might strike.  There’s also this to factor in:

Mr. Hollande ruled out conducting strikes against Syria before United Nations inspectors, who were dispatched to Damascus last week, had left the country. The inspectors, who are investigating whether chemical weapons were used, are expected to leave Syria on Saturday.

How would France strike?  Probably by air  with standoff weapons:

French military analysts say France’s most likely role would be from the air, including use of Scalp cruise missiles that have a range of about 500 kilometers (300 miles), fired from Mirage and Rafale fighter jets. French fighters could likely fly directly from mainland France — much as they did at the start of a military campaign against Islamic radicals in Mali earlier this year — with support from refueling aircraft. France also has six Rafale jets at Al Dhafra air base, near Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates on the Persian Gulf, and 7 Mirage-2000 jets at an air base in Djibouti, on the Red Sea.

And the goal?

Hollande reiterated that any action is aimed at punishing the regime of Bashar Assad, not toppling him.

“I won’t talk of war but of a sanction for a monstrous violation of the human person. It will have a dissuasive value,” he said.

Apparently the 100,000 already dead didn’t suffer enough of a “monstrous violation of the human person” to attract France or the US’s attention.  But note one thing – “punishment” does not equal “national security interests”.  And punishment is what this is all about.  Punishment for ignoring the warnings of the West about chemical weapons use.

Meanwhile the Obama administration continues to try to build support even while ignoring the Congress and the people:

As President Obama prepares to make his case for a possible military strike against Syria’s government, he faces a formidable obstacle — the public.

A new IBD/TIPP Poll of 904 adults, conducted Aug. 24-28, shows Americans have misgivings about military action vs. Bashar Assad’s regime.

Just 13% of those surveyed said they would “strongly” support U.S. military action in Syria. Another 25% said they would “somewhat” support it, for total support of nearly 39%.

In contrast, 52% said they opposed such a move either somewhat or strongly.

Not that it will matter.  This is about ego.  This is about demagoguery and putting one’s self in a box.  What it isn’t about the national security interests of the United States.

~McQ


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This could be it, guys – there could finally be a war where France is helpful/useful!

Jeddite on August 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Maybe he can ask Argentina and the Malvinas for help.

questionmark on August 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

What is the Soros angle? Is he long Iran, Chine, or Russia?

Murphy9 on August 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

UK, Germany, Italy out, France still in on Syria strike

Well folks, this is not your Father’s France.

You know, those defiant ones, who forced Hitler to take
14 days to conquer them….why?

Because it Rained….

ToddPA on August 30, 2013 at 10:07 AM

France is always for this kind of action as long as they don’t have to get involved.

chewmeister on August 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

This is about ego. This is about demagoguery and putting one’s self in a box. What it isn’t about the national security interests of the United States.

Bingo. Since when is helping AQ in our best interest? McCain and his fellow cohorts should be locked up.

LaughterJones on August 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Not that it will matter. This is about ego. This is about demagoguery and putting one’s self in a box. What it isn’t about the national security interests of the United States.

~McQ

It’s also about responding to the use of chemical weapons on innocent people. Don’t ignore that, Bruce.

bluegill on August 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Ok i just read Bruce’s whole post. He’s not ignoring that issue.

bluegill on August 30, 2013 at 10:10 AM

bluegill on August 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM

How about a little proof first.

chewmeister on August 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Why does massacre suddenly become so much worse when it’s done w/ chemical weapons?

questionmark on August 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Money quote right at the end mcq

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM

if Obama does hit Syria, without congressional approval, and it does not fit under the “defending national security interests of the US” Would it be an impeachable offense?

offroadaz on August 30, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Baby milk and aspirins to run out by Saturday.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Paging the monkey with the granade!

Wander on August 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM

How about a little proof first.

chewmeister on August 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Tut, tut.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

The mother of all squirrels?

“But I’ve always wondered: How were they actually going to pass an amnesty bill in the GOP House without anyone noticing? Even if the MSM cooperates by playing down the issue? The debt ceiling/Obamacare fight isn’t enough to distract the base forever. We’re no longer shocked by the NSA and IRS tax exemption stories, everyone’s picked their side–another scandal isn’t going to do the job. You’d almost need a war or something. And that’s not about to happen.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/30/mother-of-all-squirrels/

Viator on August 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

This country elected a man whose ego is so large and skin so thin that he is willing to potentially start a regional war because someone hurt his feelings. We are so screwed.

Johnnyreb on August 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

France officially runs for cover while yelling “SEE YA!” in 4-3-2…

pilamaye on August 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Don’t dismiss the possibility France is just encouraging Obama so they can pull out last minute and make him look bad. Not that Obama needs any help in that regard.

Fenris on August 30, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Give him enough rope, and…..

I am reminded of Napoleon marching towards Moscow.

esblowfeld on August 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

From military point of view we do not anyone help to strike.

mnjg on August 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

I suggest that when the great and mighty O decides to give the order, that he do so in his Superman Underoo’s. I’d leave out the juice box in the photo op, though. Bad optics.

/Mockage

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Give him enough rope, and…..

I am reminded of Napoleon marching towards Moscow.

esblowfeld on August 30, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Well said. As Russian ships head to the region against our fleet.

Take away the keys from this dangerous foolish petulant infantile imbecile… And do it quickly.

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

After the stunning “no” vote in the UK Parliament, President Obama’s “coalition” partners have pretty much dwindled to … France.

Not sure why the UK Parliament’s rejection is deemed shocking. The thin-skinnned rat can’t get approval from Congress either. Even Dems don’t think soothing the bastard’s ego is worth killing people. That’s why his people “briefed” Congressional leaders and he is going to go it alone. And since the public doesn’t support the action, we’re being ignored as well.

I can’t say this enough. Innocent people are going to die for no other reason than Obama has been offended. Which I suppose is better than killing people because you’re bored.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I think he wears Green Lantern Underoo’s.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Why does massacre suddenly become so much worse when it’s done w/ chemical weapons?

questionmark on August 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM

You don’t get it. Syria has used chemical weapons before. Twice in the last year, in fact. What is different is that Syria dared use them during the anniversary week of the red line speech.

Obama was offended by the affront to his bluster so people must die.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

If those rifle-dropping, cheese eating surrender monkeys are in, then everyone should be in…/sarc.

fortcoins on August 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

How about a little proof first.

chewmeister on August 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Zero doesn’t really have any. Why is that? As I posted on the other thread, with all the high tech gear we have we should have HD video, so why don’t we?

Were the HD satellites too busy scoping out some pools in California or what?

Why weren’t orbital assets pointed at Syria?

dogsoldier on August 30, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Well said. As Russian ships head to the region against our fleet.

Take away the keys from this dangerous foolish petulant infantile imbecile… And do it quickly.

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Mark my words. The sailors on those five destroyers are going to be attacked before this is all over. God willing, there will not be loss of American life or harm to our ships. But the reality is that they are needlessly being put in harm’s way because of the ego of a vile human being.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Obama was offended by the affront to his bluster so people must die.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Only one problem. We don’t know who used the neurotoxin.

dogsoldier on August 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM

President Obama’s proposed “coalition of nations”, which he sought to put together to justify his bombing of Syria, has deserted him as rapidly as if it were last call at the local bar, and the last man standing has to pick up the check.

Both Great Britain, through a resounding no vote by Parliament, and Germany, have told Obama, in no uncertain terms,

Here’s the book. Here’s the phone. See ya later. You’re on your own.

Meanwhile, France, while claiming solidarity with Obama’s “mission”, is considering dropping their rifles once again, (which this time, would actually be a smart move).

kingsjester on August 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

What is the Soros angle? Is he long Iran, China, or Russia?

Murphy9 on August 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM

The democratics’ favorite Nazi stooge may have been tripped up: SEC Looking at Soros’ Herbalife Trading

I guess whoever is looking into him doesn’t understand that he’s a member of the protected class. A call from Valerie is in order.

slickwillie2001 on August 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Ok i just read Bruce’s whole post. He’s not ignoring that issue.

bluegill on August 30, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Will you ever think it might be wise to read the whole post before commenting?

Bad habit of yours.

Barred on August 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

How long after that picture was taken did the “dead” get up to continue the Pallywood production?

happytobehere on August 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Ironic that only France out of the European nations continues to consider military action against Syria.

France “occupied” Syria in the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WWI.

Logus on August 30, 2013 at 10:36 AM

I think he wears Green Lantern Underoo’s.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Do they make Cap’n Kickass Underoos?

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I’m sure King Barry can get the Russians to help. Didn’t we have a “reset” with them? And didn’t King Barry say all the world would love us if he were elected?

GarandFan on August 30, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Not that it will matter. This is about ego. This is about demagoguery and putting one’s self in a box. What it isn’t about the nationl security interests of the United States.

so, any strike is just a temper tantrum with missiles and JDAMs, right?

Sounds like something that Lil Kimster would do in North Korea.

ted c on August 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Do they make Cap’n Kickass Underoos?

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Sure, why not. I bet they even come with a list of names so he knows whose ass to kick.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Mark my words. The sailors on those five destroyers are going to be attacked before this is all over. God willing, there will not be loss of American life or harm to our ships. But the reality is that they are needlessly being put in harm’s way because of the ego of a vile human being.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Where the hell is our Congress? They should ALL be impeached. Along with this pathetic specimen known as POTUS.

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Sure, why not. I bet they even come with a list of names so he knows whose ass to kick.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Joe Biden should be on top of the list. Cause Joe’s the kinda guy that you just wanna kick in the ass – just because..

/I’m evil.

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Thank you HN! It all makes sense now. I’ve been successfully re-educated!

questionmark on August 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM

France “occupied” Syria in the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WWI.

Logus on August 30, 2013 at 10:36 AM

They want it back.

They’ll be asking us to help them out in Tonkin-Cochin China any moment now.

Ironic that Obama wants them to help…thought he, and his dad and his uncle Frank were rabid anti-colonialists. This was why O sent back that Churchill statue…anti-colonialism.

So…who is the imperialist today? The neo-colonialist?

Barry’s got to be conflicted…if he had any sort of moral compass to begin with.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 10:44 AM

While the White House is preparing their talking points to cover the dither-in-chief’s wimp response, reporter should try to verify this claim.

An AP Reporter named Dale Gavlak, 20 years experience in the ME, is reporting on interviews he has done with Syrian Al Queda linked Rebels, that state THEY did the attack. It was an accidental discharge as they were moving CW munitions that had been provided by Saudi Arabia.

After Fast & Furious and Benghazi blunders, this should be investigated before involving our military.

2016 can’t come fast enough

sh221b on August 30, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Yes he is, but to a grown man in Underoo’s, like President poofter, Biden is the kind of man you take free candy from.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Wow, when these Socialists band together they really don’t have a clue.

I wonder if the phrase “Opening the gates of hell” have any meaning to Obama???

Russia and Iran are licking their chops, they want to put the hurt on Obama so bad.

Do our military leaders have any clue that Obama is really the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood?

redguy on August 30, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Barry’s got to be conflicted…if he had any sort of moral compass to begin with.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 10:44 AM

He’s on the moral and ideological South Pole and his compass is spinning all day, every day.

Logus on August 30, 2013 at 10:57 AM

What role exactly will France take in this war? the immoral cheering squad?

astonerii on August 30, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Mark my words. The sailors on those five destroyers are going to be attacked before this is all over. God willing, there will not be loss of American life or harm to our ships. But the reality is that they are needlessly being put in harm’s way because of the ego of a vile human being.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Correct, Russia and Iran will throw everything they have at our Navy, short of nukes.

Obama won’t have a clue of what to do then.

redguy on August 30, 2013 at 10:59 AM

They want it back.

They’ll be asking us to help them out in Tonkin-Cochin China any moment now.

Ironic that Obama wants them to help…thought he, and his dad and his uncle Frank were rabid anti-colonialists. This was why O sent back that Churchill statue…anti-colonialism.

So…who is the imperialist today? The neo-colonialist?

Barry’s got to be conflicted…if he had any sort of moral compass to begin with.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 10:44 AM

The Muslims have already taken over France, too late.

redguy on August 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM

What role exactly will France take in this war? the immoral cheering squad?

astonerii on August 30, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Hollande is using the Obama playbook, distract and deflect from the horrible job he is doing as President.

redguy on August 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM

He only needs one for a coalition.

Bush had dozens and he “went in alone.”

Ben Hur on August 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Canada’s out too, incidentally.

“We have been and remain concerned when we look at this conflict that it is overwhelmingly sectarian in nature and does not have, at the present, any ideal or obvious outcomes.” – Prime Minister Stephen Harper

CityFish on August 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Iran desperately wants its ally to survive so I would like to see him fail. This will help a little toward that goal. A failed Syrian state even if it’s run by Al Qaeda is preferable to a strong stable ally of Iran and Hezbollah. Iran is our biggest enemy and is responsible for more American deaths through its proxies and IEDs than Al Qaeda could ever hope for.

Rancher on August 30, 2013 at 11:18 AM

How about a little proof first.

chewmeister on August 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Tut, tut.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Tut Tut?

Obama is blaming it on the Egyptians now???

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Where the hell is our Congress?

Key West Reader on August 30, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Busy hiding from their constituents.

Barnestormer on August 30, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Aug. 22 – Sunbathers are relaxing on a crowded beach on the Baltic Sea when suddenly a large Russian military ship plows onto the shore. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).

http://www.reuters.com/video/2099/01/01/reuters-tv-video?videoId=255329632

bluefox on August 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM

“I won’t talk of war but of a sanction for a monstrous violation of the human person. It will have a dissuasive value,” he said.

Next stop the prison camps of North Korea? Hm? Being sent to a brutal prison camp not for your own actions, but actions of your grandfather, or simply being a relative of a girl who used to date the now married monarch aren’t monstrous violations of the human person?

rbj on August 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM

He only needs one for a coalition.

Bush had dozens and he “went in alone.”

Ben Hur on August 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM

This is the first thing I think about whenever I think about Obama’s “coalition”. Bush had dozens of countries behind him…he went to and received an overwhelming positive vote from Congress for the go ahead from BOTH sides of the aisle…and yet HE went at it alone while Obama the Saint REALLY goes it alone but has a massive international coalition! This is the ultimate in hypocrisy of the left, on full view and display for everyone to see. EVERYone needs to be reminded of this.

Highlar on August 30, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Canada’s out too, incidentally.

“We have been and remain concerned when we look at this conflict that it is overwhelmingly sectarian in nature and does not have, at the present, any ideal or obvious outcomes.” – Prime Minister Stephen Harper

CityFish on August 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Gawd, can we pls swap the clown in the WH for Harper…

jimver on August 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM

bluefox on August 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Saw that on my Reuters feed yesterday…awesome…wonder what it would look like at Rehoboth or Ocean City? Only more of them?

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I can’t imagine, but hope it never happens. However it isn’t because this Administration isn’t trying.

In Texas we’d go to the beaches and see the ships from all over the world coming and going. If we had ever seen any headed to the beaches, we would have moved a lot faster than those in the clip did:-)

Appreciate your knowledge of History and World affairs. Helps to understand what is going on now.

bluefox on August 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Where was all this sanctimonious French clap-trap when Bush wanted to take out Saddam? Remember the French during those endless UN confabs leading up to Iraq? This is just insane. And then there was that war back in the 60′s the French got us into. What was it called? Oh, yeah. Viet Nam. Obama is insane. There is no other explanation here.

idalily on August 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM

So you mean that a Socialist President is willing to start another conflict in order to distract from the ruinous taxes which he has imposed at home?

And France is willing to help?

That makes sense.

Theophile on August 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I can’t say this enough. Innocent people are going to die for no other reason than Obama has been offended. Which I suppose is better than killing people because you’re bored.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Why are you complaining? Didn’t you like your ObamaPhone and other free crap???

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kim roy on August 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Hahaha! Nice! Boy-king blames boy-pharaoh.

OldEnglish on August 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM

France is bringing the white flags . . .

tpitman on August 30, 2013 at 5:08 PM