Budget talks break down

posted at 11:21 am on August 30, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

I know this comes as a complete shock to you, given the past success in passing budgets during this administration … oh, wait …

The Obama administration and a group of Republican senators abandoned efforts Thursday to hammer out a budget deal and avoid a showdown over the national debt, saying they had failed to resolve their long-standing dispute over taxes.

“It’s very evident that there just isn’t common ground at present and we’ve all agreed there’s no reason for these talks to continue,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said after attending the group’s final session at the White House.

Asked what happens next, Corker said, “I have no idea.”

Unfortunately, I do.  That is if history is any guide.  Politics.  There’ll be a “war” over raising the ceiling of the national debt which Republicans will eventually lose.  The Republican House will pass a budget that will die in the Democratic Senate.  And we’ll again wander through the year with government funded through continuing resolutions but no plan.  In the meantime both sides will complain about each other and how the other side is the source of all spending problems.

Did I miss anything?

The end of the talks comes just over a week before Congress is to return from its summer break to confront a series of imminent deadlines, including the risk of a government shutdown Oct. 1 and potential default on the national debt a few weeks after that.

President Obama and his team began meeting with eight GOP senators earlier this summer in hopes of reaching an agreement to raise the $16.7 trillion debt limit and replace sharp automatic budget cuts known as the sequester.

So prepare for the usual political circus and brinksmanship.  Prepare for the propaganda war aided and abetted by a compliant White House press corps.  And prepare for more spending, a higher debt ceiling and the usual whining from the usual subjects about how they tried but couldn’t do the job.

Cynical?

Not really.  As I said, history is my guide.

~McQ


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With those big ears and his hand cupped to it, he can probably hear all of us typing about him.

Flange on August 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM

There really will be no budget passed for all 8 years, huh? Certainly this isn’t good, right?

happytobehere on August 30, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Wouldn’t it be great if we had a party that actually opposed the Democrats? I have a dream.

neyney on August 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

There’ll be a “war” over raising the ceiling of the national debt which Republicans the American people will eventually lose.

FIFY

And we’ll again wander through the year with government funded through continuing resolutions but no plan.

Here’s an idea. DON’T PASS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION! Pass a budget, and force the Senate to do the same. Then go to reconciliation. The President either signs or vetoes legislation, he shouldn’t be involved in writing it, too. Give it to him and make him do his Constitutionally prescribed role. Grow some balls GOP! Geez!

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

bayam on July 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM

 
+1. Great point, other than where you forgot how annual (and increased) stimulus spending has continued each year since Reid and Obama refuse to pass a budget. Say, I wonder why they’d do that?
 
(Just kidding about the “forgot” part. Here’s a link so you can read about it for the first time.)
 
That’s what, $1.5 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan vs. $5 trillion (with a “T”) in stimulus spending since Obama took office?
 
But sure, aside from that one teensy little $5,000,000,000,000+ detail your post is well-reasoned and 100% correct.
 
rogerb on July 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM

rogerb on August 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Maybe my creditors will accept a continuing resolution. What a bunch of dopes we have in government.

Deano1952 on August 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Budget talks break down

Break down?

About the 19th time?

Why am I suddenly thinking about classic Rolling Stones?

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Budgets are for squares.

forest on August 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The King wants more money. The King always wants more money. And the low-info voter will support The King. Mainly because those same voters pay NO taxes.

Too bad we can’t change the voting laws. You pay no federal income tax, you don’t vote in national elections!

GarandFan on August 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

The reason there can be no budget agreement is because the continuing resolution scheme spends a lot more money. It includes the stimulus spending from 2009 in each and every CR. That’s why spending has been at such high levels since 2009.

Dasher on August 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Until the Republicans are willing to shut down the government and force a budget out of Obama and Reid, we’ll be stuck with continuing resolutions.

Doughboy on August 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Here’s an idea. DON’T PASS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION! Pass a budget, and force the Senate to do the same. Then go to reconciliation. The President either signs or vetoes legislation, he shouldn’t be involved in writing it, too. Give it to him and make him do his Constitutionally prescribed role. Grow some balls GOP! Geez!

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The house has passed a budget. I think this year the Senate also passed a budget, but neither side would agree to reconciliation. There is a large difference between the two. In order for there to be a real budget the Senate will have to be won by the GOP in 2014.

Dasher on August 30, 2013 at 11:44 AM

And prepare for more spending, a higher debt ceiling and the usual whining from the usual subjects about how they tried but couldn’t do the job.

If our Republican “leaders” in Congress can’t get the job done, then maybe it is time for new leadership. It’s one thing to take a principled stand and fall short. McConnell and Boehner just pull out the checkbook and pretend that they fought the good fight.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Pretty tough to get reasonable solutions from I Won, isn’t it? :(

The Schaef on August 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Obooba’s trying to organize a half-assed war. He ain’t got no time for budget negotiations!

Akzed on August 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Obooba’s trying to organize a half-assed war. He ain’t got no time for budget negotiations!

Akzed on August 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Hey, he only got in 27 hours of golf during his multi-million taxpayer dollar vacation. And it is August in DC. He’s bored so he decided to kill some Syrians for fun. We can probably even find a tweet talking about 90% of all Syrians being nasty.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Gosh, I thought the sequester was such an unmitigated disaster that a budget passed and signed was inevitable. Wasn’t that the storyline?

Fenris on August 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM

A federal budget once passed requires appropriations review, accountability and debate and authorization down to specific spending. Which federal programs get what exactly and on what exactly they may spend any funding given to them through the Treasury.

Was a time when a seat on the appropriations committee of either house was where real policy was made and where real power resided.

A continuing resolution requires none of that.

NONE of Obama’s programs would have fully passed the budgetary and appropriations process…if Congress had passed and submitted a proper budget to Obama…who, even if he vetoed it. Garner the votes and over ride it.

The Dems have known this since they took over Congress in 2008…and why the Dems then, and the Dem-controlled Senate now have refused to allow a real budget debate at any level pursuant to a real budget being written..

Continuing resolutions are sooo much easier…and yo can spend spend spend, and nobody can say “boo.” Not even the Supreme Court.

This current breakdown is window dressing…so Obama can say he tried…but the GOP stood in the way.

Barry needs another continuing resolution and a lifting of the debt limit…that is all he needs…and he can spend in to the multi-multi trillions and we cannot say sh*t.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Budgets is Old School…

Jeantel told us we’re in New School now…..

ToddPA on August 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Take a pause for a few moments and simply reflect on this:

===> The ‘leaders’ are Reid and Boehner <===

Keep reflecting…

Not yet, keep reflecting…

A little while longer…

Ok, you can spit and rinse your mouth now.

Tsar of Earth on August 30, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Pretty tough to get reasonable solutions from I Won, isn’t it? :(

The Schaef on August 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

You want the corrupt thin-skinned bastard to create the problems AND provide reasonable solutions?

That’s a pretty unrealistic expectation, isn’t it? I mean he’s only one lazy stupid rat-eared man. How much work do you expect him to shoehorn into his twenty-hour work week?

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Liberal Corker couldn’t find anything to agree on with the Dems? Good grief…they must be really nuts.

Jaibones on August 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Break the cycle and shut the government down. Only fund the military, but not enough to fund illegal wars.

TerryW on August 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Along with a few other notable commenters here, you should be in office. Force the loser’s hand! Make him choose and make him accountable.

freedomfirst on August 30, 2013 at 12:22 PM

ToddPA on August 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

winner!

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Too bad we can’t change the voting laws. You pay no federal income tax, you don’t vote in national elections!

GarandFan on August 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

I’d support that. I’ve held the same opinion for years. And it can’t be some lame $1 voluntary income tax payment. You should meet some larger threshold.

freedomfirst on August 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Did I miss anything?

How about this…

Let’s go back to what the Democrats put in writing in 2006, when they thought then-current deficits (like $248 Billion in FY 2006) were a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE…

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

Pelosi promised no more deficit spending. Pelosi promised that both in writing (above) and live on C-SPAN:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

In 2008, Obama made deficit spending a campaign issue:

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.

- Barack Obama July 3, 2008

Republicans held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) from January 3, 1995 to January 2, 2007 and were majority responsible for the FY 1996 to FY 2007 budgets.

Over those 12 continuous years of Republican majority control (FY 1996-2007), the total national debt increased from $4.974 Trillion to $9.008 Trillion, an increase of $4.034 Trillion over 12 years, for an average of $0.336 Trillion new debt per year.

The Democrats have held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) since January 3, 2007, and are majority responsible for the FY 2008 to FY 2013 budgets (and have failed to pass a budget since FY 2009).

On April 30, 2013, after 5 and 2/3 Fiscal Years of Democrat majority control, the total national debt was $16.829 Trillion. They’ve been playing games with “extraordinary measures” since then, making the debt subject to the limit appear to stay under the limit (while borrowing from government employee pension plans which WILL be made whole as soon as the debt limit is raised, so our true total national debt right now is around $17.2 Trillion).

In 5 2/3 years, Democrat majorities added more than $7.82 Trillion to the national debt, an average of $1.380 Trillion new debt per year.

Obama said adding $4 Trillion in debt over 8 years (really over 12 years) was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic”.

Yet Obama (first as a Senator in the Democratic majority, and then as pResident), added over $7.82 Trillion in 5 and 2/3 years.

NOTE WELL:

Republican majorities added an average of $0.336 Trillion new debt per year for 12 years.

Democrat majorities have been adding an average of $1.380 Trillion new debt per year for the last 6 Fiscal Years, OVER FOUR TIMES THE ANNUAL DEFICIT SPENDING, all after Pelosi promised, in writing and from the Speaker’s rostrum on C-SPAN, “no more deficit spending”.

Democrats now claim that we don’t have a debt problem. LIARS.

In their view,
$5 Trillion +$4 Trillion = $9 Trillion: BAD (when it was Clinton, Bush and Republican majorities), but
$9 Trillion +$7.8 Trillion = $16.8 Trillion: GOOD (when it was Democrat majorities doing it under Bush and Obama).

In their view,
$0.336 Trillion new debt per year: BAD (when it was Bush and Republicans), but
$1.380 Trillion new debt per year: GOOD (when it was themselves doing it).

Pelosi promised “fiscal discipline” and “no more deficit spending”, but then added more new debt than any other House Speaker in history.

Democrats promised “fiscal discipline” and “no more deficit spending”, but then added new debt at OVER FOUR TIMES THE RATE of the Republicans they criticized.

The Democrats are such shameless, boldfaced LIARS that it is despicable.

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Here’s an idea. DON’T PASS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION! Pass a budget, and force the Senate to do the same. Then go to reconciliation. The President either signs or vetoes legislation, he shouldn’t be involved in writing it, too. Give it to him and make him do his Constitutionally prescribed role. Grow some balls GOP! Geez!

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Both House and Senate passed budgets but there has been no conference committe to resolve the vast differences. Patty Murray has shown no sign of being willing to cut spending and demands more taxes. The House will not raise taxes and wants less spending. The Progressive Left press is calling for no compromise because the see the House GOP being forced to fold as the media will plan any government shut down on them. Such a conference committee is doomed to fail just as these budget talks referred to in the article failed. I think McQuain is correct, there will be several temporary extensions of the current budget for the time being. As long as the left thinks it will win by stonewalling and blaming the GOP for obstructionism, I doubt you could get much else of a constructive nature.

KW64 on August 30, 2013 at 12:28 PM

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Without a federal budget…all of that is meaningless.

And the Dems, and the White House do NOT want a federal budget.

Continuing resolutions allow them to spend to their hearts’ (if they had any) desire…and continuing resolutions give them the gift of being able to blame it on the GOP that there is no budget.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 12:34 PM

If Republicans are the problem, then how about we go back to the last budget passed by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and Republican President?
The FY 2007 budget (passed in calendar year 2006) featured:

Receipts: $2.568 Trillion
Outlays: $2.729 Trillion
Deficit: Less than $161 Billion

Data Source: FY 2007 budget numbers shown on the White House’s own Office of Management and Budget web site

Revenues for FY 2013 are projected to be over $2.7 Trillion…

If we capped current spending outlays to FY 2007 budget amounts ($2.729 Trillion), we would be very, very close to a balanced budget!

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

The White House does not want a budget.

Harry Reid is doing the bidding of the White House. The current Senate will NOT pass a budget into law, no matter how Boehner crafts something totally agreeable to Obama over in the House.

A budget requires constraints, and authorizations, and hearings, and separate appropriations for each executive department or major activity, and open debate (except for the intel part of the budget) and authorizations, and debate and votes, again and again…and limits to spending.

A continuing resolution is a license to spend…a continuing resolution is actually unconstitutional, but handily convenient.

Convenient that it allows for unlimited spending (except for that debt cap) and offer another opportunity for the White House to blame the GOP for there not being a budget.

All the rest…even this current ongoing budget talks thing…it is all Kabuki.

Long past time to just say “Noh!”

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Why should this be a surprise?

It’s the usual result when, during negotiations, one side is looking to reach a compromise and the other side defines compromise as the other side needing to surrender all of their positions and adopt ours.

If we capped current spending outlays to FY 2007 budget amounts ($2.729 Trillion), we would be very, very close to a balanced budget!
ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM

That one-time porkulus spending package approved in the Spring of 2009 is still with us – we’ve been basically spending that $800B – $1T every year since…. and gotten a real unemployment in the 12% range, the slowest weakest economic recovery since WW2, struggling to achieve >2.5% GDP, the lowest labor participation rate since 1979, inflation rising, and real wages declining. Not to mention 5 consecutive years of >$1T deficits – and a national debt approaching $17T – over 100% of our annual GDP.

But achieving a vibrant economic recovery and a balanced federal budget doesn’t fit the ideological agenda of Barack Obama or his political allies.

Athos on August 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM

We need a Constitutional Amendment against CRs.

besser tot als rot on August 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

Pelosi promised no more deficit spending.

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I have saved that document for posterity. Here is another gem:

Democrats’ plan for Real Security will protect Americans, secure our borders, and restore our country’s position of international leadership.

Immediately implement the recommendations of the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission including securing national borders, ports, airports and mass transit systems.

Fail, on both accounts.

It also looks as though their insistence on STEM has been around for some time, with The One pushing that same tired and old narrative for both his terms.

Educate 100,000 new scientists, engineers, and mathematicians in the next four years by proposing a new initiative, working with states, businesses, and universities to provide scholarships to qualified students who commit to working in the fields of innovation.

Place a highly qualified teacher in every math and science K-12 classroom by offering upfront tuition assistance to talented undergraduates and by paying competitive salaries to established teachers working in the fields of math and science; institute a “call to action” to professional engineers and scientists, including those who have retired, to join the ranks of our nation’s teachers.

Create a special visa for the best and brightest international doctoral and post-doctoral scholars in science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

Obama, stuck on stupid.

Today, the White House announced new steps by the Administration and its partners to meet the President’s goal of preparing 100,000 excellent math and science teachers over the next decade.

I feel like I’m taking CRAZY PILLS!!!

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Time to clear up some misconceptions here:

- The Congressional budget does not go to the President to be signed as it is a joint Congressional resolution. All a Congressional budget does is two things – tells the Appropriations Committees, and Congress as a whole, what the limits in each of the broad categories of spending are when it comes to writing appropirations bills that spend the money, and gives certain bill subjects an expedited path through Congress through “reconciliation”.

- There was a budget passed by the Rats for Fiscal Year 2010. Indeed, that FY2010 budget was the vehicle used to get around Scott Brown’s special election as the “41st vote against PlaceboCare” via reconciliation.

- What a continuing resolution does is allows Congress to spend money without a budget. Sometimes the Appropriations Committee gets written out of the loop by leadership, but as it is written most often by the Appropirations Committee, its main aim is to cut the Budget Committees out of the process.

Steve Eggleston on August 30, 2013 at 1:16 PM

besser tot als rot on August 30, 2013 at 1:03 PM

CR’s are already unconstitutional…have never been challenged. Too convenient. Since the 1995 CR…to prevent a government shutdown when Clinton was hanging on tooth and nail to prevent Gingrich from being able to override Clinton’s veto of the budget.

Convenience not constitutionality.

And, CR’s allow for block spending…not itemized spending…we get one trillion, for example, and the CR can “allocate” 10% for day to day operations, 10% for health programs, 30% for defense 20 % for misc. necessities or discretionary spending…and the rest for social programs…and each entity gets to spend whatever it gets however it wishes unless there is separate binding legislation requiring further apportionment or allocation.

Sequestration is unconstitutional…but it is well liked because all of them can pass the buck, so to speak…and it is convenient…and has never been successfully legally challenged.

But…a real budget?

Oooh, boy howdie…that’s will just mess up the entire new skool process…and prevent the progressives from completing their desired aims…to the extent that none of it can ever be unraveled…a fiscal Gordian Knot.

The Obama way.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Both House and Senate passed budgets but there has been no conference committe to resolve the vast differences. Patty Murray has shown no sign of being willing to cut spending and demands more taxes. The House will not raise taxes and wants less spending. The Progressive Left press is calling for no compromise because the see the House GOP being forced to fold as the media will plan any government shut down on them. Such a conference committee is doomed to fail just as these budget talks referred to in the article failed. I think McQuain is correct, there will be several temporary extensions of the current budget for the time being. As long as the left thinks it will win by stonewalling and blaming the GOP for obstructionism, I doubt you could get much else of a constructive nature.

KW64 on August 30, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Then the GOP needs to be in front of the cameras EVERY DAY explaining to the American public that they are trying to compromise with the Left, and they won’t. Boehner should even invite CSPAN to air all committee meetings and anything associated with the budget in its entirety. Show the American people what the Left is doing. They should NOT pass any CR, let the government shut down. If they have any principles left, that is their only recourse. They may lose their job, but that shouldn’t be the thing that they are worried about. They should be more concerned about our nation; something the Left most certainly isn’t.

And that is just it. They are winning because the GOP is allowing it to happen. The GOP has got to stop LETTING the Left win on this; they shouldn’t be. At no time in American history have we been in such a place. Disgusting.

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 12:34 PM
coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I do understand that the Democrats really don’t want a budget.

This time, I think we are are approaching the possibility of a real risk of default, as the Treasury Department has already maxed out all but $25 Million of the “debt subject to limit” months ago and been using our “overdraft” of “extraordinary measures” for going on four months.

We MUST bring spending down to, or under, our revenues.

How does the Republican House best accomplish that when the Democrat Senate and President have no interest in doing so, even after they claimed that $9 Trillion in debt was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” and then have been deficit spending at over four times the rate of their so-called “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic” predecessors?

ITguy on August 30, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Here’s an idea. DON’T PASS A CONTINUING RESOLUTION! Pass a budget, and force the Senate to do the same. Then go to reconciliation.

Patriot Vet on August 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Until the Republicans are willing to shut down the government and force a budget out of Obama and Reid, we’ll be stuck with continuing resolutions.

Doughboy on August 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM

That’s the problem. How do we force Reid to pass a budget? It’s not my impression that the Congressional Republicans are the most dominating power in Washington, able to accomplish whatever they want. What could the Republicans do to get Reid to pass a budget if he doesn’t want to pass one?

J.S.K. on August 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM