Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 29, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

A government motion was defeated by 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

Prime Minster David Cameron said it was clear Parliament does not want action and “the government will act accordingly”.

It effectively rules out British involvement in any US-led strikes against the Assad regime.

Labour leader Ed Miliband said the vote meant military action was “off the agenda”, and added that MPs had reacted against the prime minister’s “cavalier and reckless” leadership.

The defeat comes as a potential blow to the authority of Mr Cameron, who had already watered down a government motion proposing military action, in response to Labour’s demands for more evidence of Assad’s guilt.

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White House deputy press secretary Josh Earnest said Thursday that the British foreign secretary has recognized America’s “right and ability” to make its own foreign policy decisions with regard to the crisis in Syria.

Earnest’s press conference came mere hours before British Parliament voted down the possibility of British military intervention in Syria, for which prime minister David Cameron was advocating. Cameron acknowledged Parliament’s decision and said “the government will act accordingly.”

But even though Britain won’t be joining in potential strikes on Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, the British government already granted the United States permission to make its own Syria decisions, according to Earnest.

“And we’ve also seen an acknowledgment from the [UK] foreign secretary about the United States’ right and ability to make our own foreign policy decisions that are in our national security interest,” said Earnest, who went on to read British Foreign Secretary William Hague’s statement granting decision-making independence to the commonwealth’s former American colonies.

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But the push for strikes against the Syrian regime began to lose momentum as questions were raised about the intelligence underpinning the move. During a debate with lawmakers, he conceded that there was still a sliver of uncertainty about whether Assad truly was behind the attacks.

“In the end there is no 100 percent certainty about who is responsible,” Cameron said, although he insisted that officials were still as “as certain as possible” that Assad’s forces were responsible.

That was not enough for Britain’s Labour Party, which is still smarting from its ill-fated decision to champion the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The party announced its opposition to the move despite Cameron’s concessions, which included a promise to give U.N. inspectors time to report back to the Security Council and to do his outmost to secure a resolution there.

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The opposition to President Obama launching unilateral military operations in Syria exploded on Thursday when dozens of liberal Democrats joined scores of conservative Republicans in warning the administration that any strikes without congressional approval would violate the Constitution.

In a letter to Obama, 53 liberal Democrats — including a long list of Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) members — argued that, while the human rights atrocities being committed by the forces of Syrian President Bashar Assad are “horrific,” they alone “should not draw us into an unwise war – especially without adhering to our own constitutional requirement.”

“While we understand that as Commander in Chief you have a constitutional obligation to protect our national interests from direct attack, Congress has the constitutional obligation and power to approve military force, even if the United States or its direct interests (such as its embassies) have not been attacked or threatened with an attack,” reads the letter, which was spearheaded by Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), a former head of the CBC.

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President Obama is prepared to move ahead with a limited military strike on Syria, administration officials said on Thursday, even with a rejection of such action by Britain’s Parliament, an increasingly restive Congress, and lacking an endorsement from the United Nations Security Council.

Although the officials cautioned that Mr. Obama had not made a final decision, all indications suggest that the strike could occur as soon as United Nations inspectors, who are investigating the Aug. 21 attack that killed hundreds of Syrians, leave the country. They are scheduled to depart Damascus, the capital, on Saturday.

The White House is to present its case for military action against Syria to Congressional leaders on Thursday night. Administration officials assert that the intelligence will show that forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad carried out the chemical weapons attack in the suburbs of Damascus.

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The “special relationship” has just become less special. One reasons links between Washington and London have generally been so close is that they could generally rely upon us in a fight. Now they can’t. And that might be because …

Britain is becoming less imperialist, and more European. This is probably the most important lesson to be learnt from tonight’s vote. In the past prime ministers have justified interventionist policies on the grounds that Britain is an outward-looking power that gets involved in the world, that tends to gets “stuck in”. This is normally explained as a legacy of our imperial past. But the public seem to have had enough. Any more wars? No thanks. We’re turning German. And that affects what the government does because …

Parliament matters more. Technically prime ministers do not need the support of the Commons to go to war. Sending troops into action is a prerogative power (meaning it can happen just on the prime minister’s say so). But Tony Blair allowed a vote on the Iraq war, and since then parliament has been flexing its muscles even more. Of course having a hung parliament helps. But this might be a good night to remember Robin Cook, whose gravestone carries the words: “I may not have succeeded in halting the war, but I did secure the right of parliament to decide on war.”


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Fadin’ out…

Just ‘Cos You Got The Blues Don’t Mean You Gotta Sing

novaculus on August 30, 2013 at 4:00 AM

Lot of good music came out of the UK in the 70′s. Germany, too. Boney M, for example. Reggae before America found out about it.

There was more than the Beatles and the Stones.

AFN played a huge chunk of UK pop and rock on US Forces radio..and then there was Pirate Radio…unliscensed stsation, often mobile or aboard ships in the North Sea, broadcasting news and rock that the official stations would never touch.

This is great (and funny):

Boney M – “Rasputin”

Remember that Mac and katie Kissoon version, too.

Just got a spot in my heart for Sally Carr…she was a sweetheart.

Nothing wrong with MotR’s version!

Kids are gonna be alright…..is there a song in there???

Thought kids would be less of a problem when they got out of school…guess not.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 3:40 AM

You kidding? :)

I like this version even better than The Who’s:

Artful Dodger – “The Kids Are Alright”

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 4:01 AM

May I add one more, AC?

Meet me in Montana?

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 3:46 AM

NO! (j/k) Can’t ever go wrong with Marie Osmond visuals! :)

A different geographical region:

Ronnie Milsap – “Smokey Mountain Rain”

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Lest we forget our Sooner brethren…

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 4:18 AM

My oldest sent a homemade copy this to me a while back…her kids, my grand kids, learned it almost from the cradle…my oldest is pure country, born in San Angelo, of all places…

Anyway…imagine a little 6 year old singing this to her Grampa

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 4:23 AM

Goooood Morrrnnnnning, America!!!!

Boney M sends their best.

coldwarrior on August 30, 2013 at 4:55 AM

Brits finally doing something smart?

Obama should pay attention and stop being an idiot.

TX-96 on August 30, 2013 at 6:23 AM

what a crock

limited military strike…sounds like an oxymoron….

the lsm cannot blame ANY OF THIS on the gop….this is all dear leader’s doing…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:27 AM

TX-96 on August 30, 2013 at 6:23 AM

He’s the ONE, he can’t be bothered

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:28 AM

i don’t want to hear ANY crap from the lsm/dems when the next gop president is in office….

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:30 AM

what a crock

limited military strike…sounds like an oxymoron….

the lsm cannot blame ANY OF THIS on the gop….this is all dear leader’s doing…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:27 AM

Ed “Sgt.” Schultz seems to disagree with you:

How does MLK’s message of peace apply today as conservatives push for war in Syria?

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Schultz is an ignoramus.

TX-96 on August 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! …and, Trolls.

Four years ago, I promised to end the war in Iraq. We did. I promised to refocus on the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11. We have. We’ve blunted the Taliban’s momentum in Afghanistan, and in 2014, our longest war will be over. A new tower rises above the New York skyline, al Qaeda is on the path to defeat, and Osama bin Laden is dead.

-
Barack Obama “The Syria Situation: Yippee-Ki-Yay, Mr. President”
My take.

kingsjester on August 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM

morning joe crew got their WH email…
defending dear leader big time, syria is a threat to our national security, obama has done a great job with bin laden, iraq, afhganistan, libya, yada yada yada

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 6:32 AM

that just boggles the mind…what an idiot…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:36 AM

The Brits are going to stay out of Syria, eh?

Like I keep saying, they and the French are determined to Do Something(TM) even if to the very last American.

Obama needs to wise up. Just him and his Administration saying they’ll strike hard enough so as not to be mocked is enough to not attack a country that is no threat to the United States.

Liam on August 30, 2013 at 6:38 AM

kingsjester on August 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM

READ IT folks….excellent once again KJ…

spot on about dear leader and the left’s hypocrisy

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Thank you, ma’am! Please share.

kingsjester on August 30, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Schultz is an ignoramus.

TX-96 on August 30, 2013 at 6:34 AM

You’re too kind! :)

that just boggles the mind…what an idiot…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:36 AM

The pathology is astounding, is it not?

I am undecided if this is worse (be prepared to catch your dropping jaw!):

Chris Matthews goes on racebaiting, spittle-spraying, factually challenged rant

“He [0dumba] is everything a white conservative should applaud…”

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Question of the day: How many brown-skinned people will Obama’s airstrikes kill, and is that okay with liberals?

Liam on August 30, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 6:48 AM

another maroon…they are the ones that live in a bubble of idiocy and rage…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:52 AM

congress not happy with dear leader on syria because they were kept out of the loop on libya
-chuck todd

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Obamacare, Libya and Syria—owned solely by Moron-In-Chief.

hillsoftx on August 30, 2013 at 7:18 AM

another maroon…they are the ones that live in a bubble of idiocy and rage…

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 6:52 AM

You seriously have to wonder how much of Chris’ brain has been eaten away by alcohol – he has gotten worse over time. Ed, OTOH, has always looked like an idiot with a very low IQ…

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 7:20 AM

heh

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Question of the day: How many brown-skinned people will Obama’s airstrikes kill, and is that okay with liberals?

Liam on August 30, 2013 at 6:51 AM

It’s important to remember that the only reason why innocent people in Syria are going to die is because Obama’s ego has been bruised. He foolishly drew a red line, Sryia ignored it, so people have to die.

Obama’s the kid on the playground who is ridiculed so he goes home and returns with his daddy’s gun. Obama is the Adam Lanza of international relations. Again, innocent people are going to die because Obama’s ego is ruffled.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 7:39 AM

You seriously have to wonder how much of Chris’ brain has been eaten away by alcohol – he has gotten worse over time. Ed, OTOH, has always looked like an idiot with a very low IQ…

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Hey, Hitler had true believers to the end as well. As to Ed, he was initially billed as the liberal Rush Limbaugh- how’d that work out? LOL

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Obamacare, Libya and Syria—owned solely by Moron-In-Chief.

hillsoftx on August 30, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Wrong my friend.

If there is any certainty in the world it is this. President plausible deniability owns nothing. It’s why he won’t go to Congress or address the American people because that means that whatever happens will be his responsibilty. And as lazy and stupid as the thin-skinned rat is, he has made slithering away from personal accountability the hallmark of his administration.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 7:45 AM

…ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh!…that was good kingsjester !

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2013 at 7:54 AM

Hey, Hitler had true believers to the end as well. As to Ed, he was initially billed as the liberal Rush Limbaugh- how’d that work out? LOL

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 7:41 AM

lol

I remember the first time I heard Special Ed, “the liberal Limbaugh,” on the radio a little more than 10 years ago. I thought to myself, “Whether or not you agree with either of them, how could anyone be so unperceptive as to believe that this guy is close to as intelligent as Rush?” He truly sounds/speaks like his IQ is below average…

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Tru dat HN @7:45

cmsinaz on August 30, 2013 at 7:59 AM

“Whether or not you agree with either of them, how could anyone be so unperceptive as to believe that this guy is close to as intelligent as Rush?” He truly sounds/speaks like his IQ is below average…

Anti-Control on August 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM

That was exactly, and I mean EXACTLY, my reaction the first time I heard Special Ed.

Happy Nomad on August 30, 2013 at 8:06 AM

The Brit Message: BITE MY SALAMI, OBAMIE THE COMMIE!!

MaiDee on August 30, 2013 at 8:39 AM

KOOLAID2 on August 30, 2013 at 7:54 AM

thankyaverymuch!

kingsjester on August 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM

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