Iowa Democrat prayer: Thank God for abortionists!

posted at 7:21 pm on August 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Hey, this could be progressAbout time last year, the Democratic National Convention booed when the platform committee tried to backtrack and add a mention of God that had been earlier removed.  In Iowa, at least Democrats have gone back to openly praying, but perhaps they should be hoping that God isn’t listening:

They made the unusual decision, for Democrats, to begin the event with a prayer. This was likely in response to a prayer vigil being conducted by pro-life activists at the same time nearby.

Des Moines activist Midge Slater took the podium and spent five and a half minutes thanking God for abortion rights, abortion doctors and taxpayer funding for abortions. She also referred to the decision to have an abortion as “a blessing”.

During the entire prayer, State Senator Jack Hatch and Rep. Tyler Olson, both of whom are running for governor, kept their heads bowed and eyes closed, joining in the group prayer.

The Iowa Republican transcribed a bit of the prayer, which goes on for quite a while:

“We give thanks, oh Lord, for the doctors, both current and future, who provide quality abortion care.”

“We pray for increased financial support for low-income women to access contraception, abortion and childcare.”

“Today, we pray for women in developing nations, that they may know the power of self-determination. May they have access to employment, education, birth control and abortion.”

“Today we pray for the families who have chosen. May they know the blessing of choice.”

Here’s my favorite part, very obviously aimed at the pro-life demonstrators:

“We pray for women who have been made afraid by their paternalistic religion.”

Afraid? For feminists, they don’t seem to have much faith in women to decide for themselves whether to live as Christians and follow its tenets without fear forcing them into it.  However, based on this prayer for blessings on abortions and the demand to spread it worldwide, I’d guess that they’re less interested in faith than they are in their own political agendas anyway.


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Pea soup anyone.

MontanaMmmm on August 29, 2013 at 7:26 PM

She also referred to the decision to have an abortion as “a blessing”.

One heII of a Baptismal right there now. That’s for sure.

Bmore on August 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Oh He’s listening alright sister….he’s listening!

ted c on August 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

abortion and leftism is a religion, here it is shown.

ted c on August 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

OMG, this is sick, twisted and depraved as hell. May God have mercy on their souls…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Disgusting.

If I write anything else, I’ll be banned.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I never thought anyone should go to Hell for praying . . . until now.

WannabeAnglican on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

“We pray for women who have been made afraid by their paternalistic religion.”

There go those Democrats slandering Islam again.
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happytobehere on August 29, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Disgusting.

If I write anything else, I’ll be banned.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

You should see what I wrote and then deleted before posting it darlin;

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM

What is above and beyond all things is so masculine that we are all feminine in relation to it. —C.S. Lewis

Here is more on Lewis’s views of sex and gender.

David Marcoe on August 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

“We give thanks, oh Lord, for the doctors, both current and future, who provide quality abortion care.”

Doesn’t she mean Satan?

rbj on August 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Kyrie Elieson!

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:36 PM

abortion and leftism is a religion, here it is shown.

ted c on August 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

It’s not God that’s being thanked. Since liberalism is a belief-system, a religion, of hedonism and death, it would be a pagan god of those “aspects.”

Eastwood Ravine on August 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I have no common connection with these people. None whatsoever.

MNHawk on August 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I have no common connection with these people. None whatsoever.

MNHawk on August 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

They are fcukin’ MONSTERS. Satan has them in his clutches…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM

You should see what I wrote and then deleted before posting it darlin;

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Great seeing you again, OC.

I know what you mean. Being a Christian and doing all I can to keep my thoughts pure becomes more and more difficult with every passing day.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

And yet people get angry when Limbaugh points out that Abortion is a Sacrament; I guess it’s bad when he points out something that is now obviously a truth…Oh that’s right, An Inconvenient Truth.

JFKY on August 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

And to think people were disgusted by Miley Cyrus.

Rocks on August 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

On the bright side this should bring out Armin…as I understand it it CAN’T bring out Capitalist Hog, at least until next Open Registration.

JFKY on August 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM

********************* NUTS *******************************!!


An,Abomination!!

canopfor on August 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

And to think people were disgusted by Miley Cyrus.

Rocks on August 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Liberals have so denigrated and destroyed the sanctity of life and beauty of womanhood and motherhood that Miley Cyrus is but one example of their twisted and perverted thinking.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Leftists truly are repugnant monsters.

jawkneemusic on August 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Satan is preparing their rooms.

There is also a positive in this. Evil so blatantly displayed certainly doesn’t leave much room for doubt in the minds of those with an ounce of morality.

NotCoach on August 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

And to think people were disgusted by Miley Cyrus.

Rocks on August 29, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Liberals have so denigrated and destroyed the sanctity of life and beauty of womanhood and motherhood that Miley Cyrus is but one example of their twisted and perverted thinking.

(sorry about the strike outs in my first post)

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

I wonder if she could smell the sulfur?

Rose on August 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

1. A mighty Fortress is our God,
A trusty Shield and Weapon;
He helps us free from every need
That hath us now o’ertaken.
The old evil Foe
Now means deadly woe;
Deep guile and great might
Are his dread arms in fight;
On Earth is not his equal.

2. With might of ours can naught be done,
Soon were our loss effected;
But for us fights the Valiant One,
Whom God Himself elected.
Ask ye, Who is this?
Jesus Christ it is.
Of Sabaoth Lord,
And there’s none other God;
He holds the field forever.

3. Though devils all the world should fill,
All eager to devour us.

We tremble not, we fear no ill,
They shall not overpower us.
This world’s prince may still
Scowl fierce as he will,
He can harm us none,
He’s judged; the deed is done;
One little word can fell him.

4. The Word they still shall let remain
Nor any thanks have for it;
He’s by our side upon the plain
With His good gifts and Spirit.
And take they our life,
Goods, fame, child and wife,
Let these all be gone,
They yet have nothing won;
The Kingdom our remaineth.

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

as I understand it it CAN’T bring out Capitalist Hog, at least until next Open Registration.
JFKY on August 29, 2013 at 7:43 PM

What what what? I hadn’t heard that.

Some prayers really are answered!

happytobehere on August 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

They are fcukin’ MONSTERS. Satan has them in his clutches…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:39 PM

OmahaConservative:Yup,Amen:)

canopfor on August 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Amen, my friend.

Amen.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Iowa Women Deserve Better…

lmfao

Murphy9 on August 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Ten people show up to thank God for abortion is not a big deal, evil I’ll grant yo,u but ten wackos in a state is not that bad. That two are running for Governor is a bit more concerning, but the real questions, is why can’t these guys get bigger crowds?
Are these guys fringe, or real contenders?

LincolntheHun on August 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM

“We pray for increased financial support for low-income women to access contraception, abortion and childcare.”

i think that abortion and childcare might be the exact opposite of each other but hey what do i know.

Sachiko on August 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM

happytobehere on August 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I BELIEVE Hawg got the axe…it’s in the Green Room Archive….one of Erika’s articles…Hawg was trying to “out” “Curthzp” (??) and Ed simply said that was unacceptable…and then there were no more Hog postings.

JFKY on August 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Ten people show up to thank God for abortion is not a big deal, evil I’ll grant yo,u but ten wackos in a state is not that bad. That two are running for Governor is a bit more concerning, but the real questions, is why can’t these guys get bigger crowds?
Are these guys fringe, or real contenders?

LincolntheHun on August 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Ten people is ten people too many, using the name of God in an attempt to sanctify their evil deeds.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Apparently, Iowa babies don’t deserve better.

Flange on August 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Our local steakhouse (which catered to an older crowd for 30 years) just turned into a sex/swingers club.

I pray it turns back into a steakhouse.

More porterhouses. Less STD’s.

patman77 on August 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Dear Heavenly Father,

I am glad that You are Creator and Ruler of all, and will be the final Judge and deliverer of Justice.

Because if my morally frail self were in that position, I’d have taken that blasphemous display as an opportunity to demonstrate some justice delivered with pinpoint placement of lightning bolts.

Just sayin’.

Your will be done, and not mine.

Amen.

Midas on August 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

abortion and leftism is a religion, here it is shown.

ted c on August 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Leftism is the religion; abortion is the sacrificial sacrament.

Kyrie Elieson!

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Amen.

pannw on August 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

That confused, distorted woman is pure rancid goat dung.

rplat on August 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

It’s not God that’s being thanked. Since liberalism is a belief-system, a religion, of hedonism and death, it would be a pagan god of those “aspects.”

Eastwood Ravine on August 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

It’s ‘god’, in the sense that ‘allah’ is ‘god’ to the muslims.

They’re praying to *someone*, but I don’t think it’s who they think they’re praying to – and I’m pretty sure that when the day comes and they realize who it is they’ve been serving, that’s going to be a very scary and unpleasant realization.

Midas on August 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Des Moines activist Midge Slater took the podium and spent five and a half minutes thanking God for abortion rights, abortion doctors and taxpayer funding for abortions.

Okay, I don’t care if it is the Pope. Five and a half minute “prayers” are speeches not prayers.

Happy Nomad on August 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

And Molloch sits at the door of the abortuary slavering, laughing and saying, “bring your children to me”.

Mason on August 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Oh Dear Lord!

gophergirl on August 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Oh Dear Lord!

gophergirl on August 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

IA is MN South Darlin’
Kyrie Eleison, indeed!

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM

On other words “Hail Satan!” Yet they tell us that our side is evil. Memo to this evil beyotch this female says you don’t speak for me.

neyney on August 29, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“We pray for women who have been made afraid by their paternalistic religion.”

I double-dog dare you to go over to Iran or Saudi Arabia and say that.

Maddie on August 29, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Jack Hatch is one of the worst politicians in Iowa, being an absolute statist and a lying jackass to boot. Didn’t know he was running for governor, but if he gets any traction at all, he’ll aim for higher office.

beatcanvas on August 29, 2013 at 8:07 PM

IA is MN South Darlin’
Kyrie Eleison, indeed!

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Yes it is.

gophergirl on August 29, 2013 at 8:07 PM

50 bucks says these same people cringe when they hear, “God Bless America!”

In addition, if experience is any measure, God has a remarkable sense of irony and humor. I hope there’s cameras nearby when what goes around comes around, because I don’t want to be within a hundred miles of it.

trubble on August 29, 2013 at 8:08 PM

why is it everytime a democrat talks about abortion I keep thinking of the “Kill the pig” scene from Lord of the Flies?

Zaggs on August 29, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Why is it the most vocal proponents of abortion are the ones least likely to get pregnant? Woof!

Maddie on August 29, 2013 at 8:09 PM

50 bucks says these same people cringe when they hear, “God Bless America!”

In addition, if experience is any measure, God has a remarkable sense of irony and humor. I hope there’s cameras nearby when what goes around comes around, because I don’t want to be within a hundred miles of it.

trubble on August 29, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I betcha they couldn’t recite all the words to the Star Spangled Banner either.

gophergirl on August 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Typical phony Christian trash. Another example that shows that 99% of Christians give the rest of us a bad name.

HiJack on August 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Dear Heavenly Father,

I am glad that You are Creator and Ruler of all, and will be the final Judge and deliverer of Justice.

Because if my morally frail self were in that position, I’d have taken that blasphemous display as an opportunity to demonstrate some justice delivered with pinpoint placement of lightning bolts.

Just sayin’.

Your will be done, and not mine.

Amen.

Midas on August 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Amen – let me be reminded that Your timing and measure of providing justice is perfect.

Their God must be Molech.

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I pray for the soul of Iowa.

HiJack on August 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM

“We pray for women who have been made afraid by their paternalistic religion.”

Hmm. Lord?

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM

The new Leftist model seems to be not to ban religion, or shove it off into a corner somewhere and make it inconvenient to join through intimidation and some persecution, but rather to infiltrate and co-opt it.

Generations from now, every “Christian” will believe in gay sex, gay marriage and abortion if these Satanists aren’t stopped. They’ve already succeeded in making us believe that it’s OK to kill for the political and economic interests of one’s country, rather than its actual defense.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 29, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Under the “paternalistic religion”, babies were safer from murder, young women were far less likely to grow up to be unpaid prostitutes, more families would be intact, and young men would not be legitimately afraid of being legally scammed by saying “I do”.

Libtards mock the 50′s image of women because they inwardly know just how bad their replacement model SUCKS.

MelonCollie on August 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Des Moines activist Midge Slater took the podium and spent five and a half minutes thanking God for abortion rights, abortion doctors and taxpayer funding for abortions. She also referred to the decision to have an abortion as “a blessing”.

She is obviously an Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ‘Lutheran’ in order for her to pray like this…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

St. Gosnell, pray for us!

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

+In the name of Abortion, Affirmative Action, and Homosexuality, Amen.

Lord Obama, thou wast sent to redeem America. Shower thy blessings upon abortion clinics throughout thy bountiful land until affordable health care be available to all. Shield us from the snares of the evil Neanderthals who oppose progress and continue to thwart thy will. And may all Islamophobes, Homophobes, and Fundamentalists feel the sting of thy righteous whip. Thy will be done in Congress as it is in the Supreme Court. Amen.

St. Skittles of Sanford, pray for us and destroy all cracker motherflukers. Amen.

spiritof61 on August 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM

That’s exactly right.

As hard as it is, I have to pray for her and those like her. There but for the [amazing] grace of God go I. That woman could’ve been my mother, and that’s how I was raised to be.

Eren on August 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM

She is obviously an Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ‘Lutheran’ in order for her to pray like this…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Hmm.

Because we believe that God is the creator of life, the number of induced abortions is a source of deep concern to this church. We mourn the loss of life that God has created.[A] The strong Christian presumption is to preserve and protect life. Abortion ought to be an option only of last resort. Therefore, as a church we seek to reduce the need to turn to abortion as the answer to unintended pregnancies.[B]

We also deplore the circumstances that lead a woman to consider abortion as the best option available to her. We are moved particularly by the anguish of women who face unwanted pregnancies alone. The panic and isolation of such pregnancies, even in the best of circumstances, can be traumatic. Poverty, lack of supportive relationships, immaturity, oppressive social realities, sexism, and racism can intensify her sense of powerlessness. The prospect of having and caring for a child can seem overwhelming.

We confess our sin as a community of faith.[C] We often have fallen short in respecting God’s gift of life and in providing conditions more conducive for bringing new life into the world.

http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Social-Statements/Abortion.aspx

I hadn’t realized that a mainstream Christian denomination condoned abortion. Perhaps Ms. Pelosi might want to consider changing faiths, since this one appears to be so close to hers…

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Where`s the vengeful, Old Testament God who`d strike them down with lightning?

ThePrez on August 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Demonic

Murphy9 on August 29, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I hadn’t realized that a mainstream Christian denomination condoned abortion. Perhaps Ms. Pelosi might want to consider changing faiths, since this one appears to be so close to hers…

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Oh my, I think it’s part of the Episcopal Church dogma by now. I do know that the Dean of an Episcopal seminary says her abortion was a blessing. If you’ve seen an influx of new Catholics the last few years it might be interesting to see what they came out of. We’ve seen quite a few former Episcopalians in my diocese.

Eren on August 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

She is obviously an Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ‘Lutheran’ in order for her to pray like this…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Must be. The other Lutherans – Missouri Synod – are more likely to be orthodox and pro-life.

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Where`s the vengeful, Old Testament God who`d strike them down with lightning?

ThePrez on August 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM

He’s on it.

spiritof61 on August 29, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Their rock is not as our Rock.

Gingotts on August 29, 2013 at 8:28 PM

At least the Texas crazies who were shouting Hail Satan were lucid enough to grasp which side they were on…

Gingotts on August 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Must be. The other Lutherans – Missouri Synod – are more likely to be orthodox and pro-life.

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Yes we are. And so are the Wisconsin Synod Lutherans…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Some of the mainline denominations I’m aware of to avoid:

Evangelical Lutheran
Presbyterian Church USA
Church of Christ
Church of Christ Disciples
“Open & affirming” United Methodists (other United Methodist churches might be OK)
American Episcopal (Episcopal churches that unite with the worldwide Anglican Communion are OK. Someone else might know better than I do)
Churches that preach liberation theology – likely African-American churches

Are there any others?

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Are there any others?

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Any church body affiliated with the WCC or the NCC should be fled from and avoided like the plague…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Are there any others?

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

You may also want to avoid the Catholic parishes that offer Holy Communion to

Pelosi, Nancy
Sebelius, Kathleen
Cuomo, Andrew
Biden, Joe
Sotomayor, Sonia
Kennedy, Anthony

etc.

spiritof61 on August 29, 2013 at 8:37 PM

As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it. Job 4:8

mchristian on August 29, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Are there any others?

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Progressivism and the church of obozo.

Flange on August 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Surely God does not hear an empty cry,
nor does the Almighty regard it.

Job 35:13

Cleombrotus on August 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Wonder if ‘God Damn America’ Jeremiah Wright thanks God for abortion?

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM

They do not cry to me from the heart,
but they wail upon their beds;
for grain and wine they gash themselves,
they rebel against me.

Hosea 7:14

Cleombrotus on August 29, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!

Isaiah 5:20

Cleombrotus on August 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM

OMG, this is sick, twisted and depraved as hell. May God have mercy on their souls…OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Depends on which god she was praying to. If praying to the God of Abraham, God the Father and the Unknown God identified by Paul then it’d be blasphemy. Whether it’s the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is debatable but I tend to think it is because when you compare the sin of Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5) that was called a sin against the Holy Spirit and what this woman did is downright evil.

AH_C on August 29, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Woe to the proud crown of the drunkards of E’phraim, and to the fading flower of its glorious beauty,
which is on the head of the rich valley of those overcome with
wine!
Behold, the Lord has one who is mighty and strong;
like a storm of hail, a destroying tempest,
like a storm of mighty, overflowing waters,
he will cast down to the earth with violence.
The proud crown of the drunkards of E’phraim
will be trodden under foot;
and the fading flower of its glorious beauty,
which is on the head of the rich valley,
will be like a first-ripe fig before the summer:
when a man sees it, he eats it up
as soon as it is in his hand.

Isaiah 28:1-4

Cleombrotus on August 29, 2013 at 8:57 PM

OMG, this is sick, twisted and depraved as hell. May God have mercy on their souls…OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

If they would turn and repent, the Lord our God would shower them with his forgiveness and mercy. But they have eyes that will not see and ears that will not hear.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 8:59 PM

If they would turn and repent, the Lord our God would shower them with his forgiveness and mercy. But they have eyes that will not see and ears that will not hear.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Amen, sister! Forgiveness is only a repentance away…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM

More worshipers of Moloch I see.

njrob on August 29, 2013 at 9:06 PM

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Let’s just hope that their hearts have not been hardened.

Cleombrotus on August 29, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Wonder what God this lady is praying to? Praying to the Creator thanking him for the abortion Doctors who make a living killing his Creations. When Ann Coulter called them ” Godless” she sure was correct.

flintstone on August 29, 2013 at 9:23 PM

In addition, if experience is any measure, God has a remarkable sense of irony and humor. I hope there’s cameras nearby when what goes around comes around, because I don’t want to be within a hundred miles of it.

trubble on August 29, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Maybe these people do too? I’m not even Christian and I get a kick out of the pro-life reaction every time someone on the other side has the audacity to pray to the same god. How dare they take up 5 whole minutes of God’s prayer-listenin’ time that could be used to beg for more important stuff, like smiting down one’s political opponents?

Armin Tamzarian on August 29, 2013 at 9:25 PM

further proof liberalism is a mental disorder.

Lost in Jersey on August 29, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Oh my, I think it’s part of the Episcopal Church dogma by now. I do know that the Dean of an Episcopal seminary says her abortion was a blessing. If you’ve seen an influx of new Catholics the last few years it might be interesting to see what they came out of. We’ve seen quite a few former Episcopalians in my diocese.

Eren on August 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Over here in California, we are getting whole churches of ex-Episcopalians — sometimes with their building, and sometimes without — and sometimes with their pastor, and sometimes without.

Usually, it’s their minister who makes the first move, after having had a deep discussion with parishioners to check them out. In fact, I wrote a letter to the LA Times about this exact subject about nine years ago, and they still have it up (mine’s the first letter). [Background: Episcopal Bishop Bruno is an ex-Catholic]

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/01/opinion/le-episcopal1.1

It’s very interesting how some Episcopalians are attempting to return to First Principles. All of it seems to be related to gay marriage. Not many show up because of their antipathy toward abortion.

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Maybe these people do too? I’m not even Christian and I get a kick out of the pro-life reaction every time someone on the other side has the audacity to pray to the same god. How dare they take up 5 whole minutes of God’s prayer-listenin’ time that could be used to beg for more important stuff, like smiting down one’s political opponents?

Armin Tamzarian on August 29, 2013 at 9:25 PM

There are many gods in nominal Christianity, and the version that blesses abortions is just one of them.

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Must be. The other Lutherans – Missouri Synod – are more likely to be orthodox and pro-life.

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:27 PM

.
Yes we are. And so are the Wisconsin Synod Lutherans…

OmahaConservative on August 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

.
During my childhood as a Lutheran PK, I saw clergy and church members on both sides.

listens2glenn on August 29, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Are there any others?

22044 on August 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I’m not a Methodist, but wasn’t the Methodist Pavilion episode associated with the Methodists?

The argument that a church which opens its building doors to all must accomodate the religious observances of all runs completely counter to the First Amendment. I can’t imagine the two lesbians in this actually won the right to have been married on Methodist property.

Now, that said, there is this:

¶ 161 J) Abortion—The beginning of life and the ending of life are the God-given boundaries of human existence. While individuals have always had some degree of control over when they would die, they now have the awesome power to determine when and even whether new individuals will be born. Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion.

But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother and the unborn child.

We recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures by certified medical providers.

Wow. Now, I wonder how the Methodists deal with mental health? Is the possibility of a suicide as a result of post-partum depression enough to make an abortion acceptable to Methodists?

There are a lot of slippery slopes around here where the liberals have been mucking about…

unclesmrgol on August 29, 2013 at 9:50 PM

50 bucks says these same people cringe when they hear, “God Bless America!”

In addition, if experience is any measure, God has a remarkable sense of irony and humor. I hope there’s cameras nearby when what goes around comes around, because I don’t want to be within a hundred miles of it.

trubble on August 29, 2013 at 8:08 PM

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Maybe these people do too? I’m not even Christian and I get a kick out of the pro-life reaction every time someone on the other side has the audacity to pray to the same god. How dare they take up 5 whole minutes of God’s prayer-listenin’ time that could be used to beg for more important stuff, like smiting down one’s political opponents?

Armin Tamzarian on August 29, 2013 at 9:25 PM

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That’s what we’re here for, Armin’, to amuse you.

You can thank God for it, when you meet him.

listens2glenn on August 29, 2013 at 9:55 PM

That’s what we’re here for, Armin’, to amuse you.

You can thank God for it, when you meet him.

listens2glenn on August 29, 2013 at 9:55 PM


That is brilliant, L2G.

I am soooo going to file this away for future reference.

GrannyDee on August 29, 2013 at 10:01 PM

That ‘prayer’ was an obscenity. It was meant to spit in the face of those who don’t support abortion in general and more specifically the pro-life group meeting not far away.

However, it pales in comparison to the “Hail Satan” chants from the leftists over an abortion vote no so very long ago.

I’d think this ‘prayer’ was an effort to deny the image that the satanic chant revealed. Instead it simply reveals that none of those who participated in this ‘prayer’ actually believe in God at all and are very anxious to lash out at any who don’t agree with them.

thatsafactjack on August 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Nothing new, Dems thanked God for slavery.

29Victor on August 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Iowa Democrat prayer: Thank God for abortionists!

God’s got nothin’ to do with it. Thank Satan.

rukiddingme on August 29, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Just a note to say “Thank You” for the discussion. I appreciate the biblical references and the call to pray for these people. By the by, OmahaConservative, lets hope it doesn’t cross the river into our little corner of the world…

serenity on August 29, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Okay, I don’t care if it is the Pope. Five and a half minute “prayers” are speeches not prayers.

Happy Nomad on August 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

And where the hell were the Freedom From Religion people, warning her about the separation of Church and State?

Maddie on August 29, 2013 at 10:58 PM

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