Syria: A mission destined for failure

posted at 10:01 am on August 28, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

One of the first things any military commander must do is define the mission clearly and succinctly. It must have a goal and that goal must be achievable with the assets the commander is willing or able to commit to the mission.

What it shouldn’t be is some nebulous one-over-the-world hand wave of a mission driven by politics and open to interpretation. Unfortunately, it appears that’s precisely the type mission the Obama administration is ginning up for Syria according to the NY Times:

President Obama is considering military action against Syria that is intended to “deter and degrade” President Bashar al-Assad’s government’s ability to launch chemical weapons, but is not aimed at ousting Mr. Assad from power or forcing him to the negotiating table, administration officials said Tuesday.

“Deter and degrade” are open to interpretation and Syria could and likely would initiate another chemical attack after the US attacks just to point out that they’re neither deterred or degraded.

Here’s the problem:

The strikes would instead be aimed at military units that have carried out chemical attacks, the headquarters overseeing the effort and the rockets and artillery that have launched the attacks, according to the options being reviewed within the administration.

An American official said that the initial target lists included fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria’s Russian-made attack helicopters are deployed. The list includes command and control centers as well as a variety of conventional military targets.

A) We’ve told them where we’ll strike.  Since it is a limited strike and it is going to be against specific units, Syria has the option of dispersing them, an option I’m sure they’ll take.  They’ll also likely disperse them in to highly populated urban areas where they can.

B) We’ve told them what we’re going to strike.  Since they have thousands of artillery pieces capable of firing chemical shells, it is unlikely a limited strike is going to even seriously dent that capability.  Moving artillery into the cities would likely deter the US more than the US would deter Syria.  Helicopters can be moved as well.  They don’t need long runways. Other aircraft will be dispersed  And finally, command and control are easily moved and dispersed.

C) We’ve told them how we’re going to strike.  It is clear that if an attack does happen it is not something that is supported by the majority of the American people for various reasons.  Couple that with a seemingly risk averse commander and you can pretty well define how this will happen – missiles.  Specifically Tomahawk missiles.  Given our history of their use, you can pretty much guess at what and where they’ll be aimed.

D) We’ve pretty well told them it won’t be much of a strike.

Perhaps two to three missiles would be aimed at each site, a far more limited unleashing of American military power than past air campaigns over Kosovo or Libya.

Result?

Well even the administration knows this is a recipe for failure so they immediately engage is a classic attempt to lower expectations:

Some of the targets would be “dual use” systems, like artillery that is capable of firing chemical weapons as well as conventional rounds. Taking out those artillery batteries would degrade to some extent the government’s conventional force — but would hardly cripple Mr. Assad’s sizable military infrastructure and forces unless the air campaign went on for days or even weeks.

The goal of the operation is “not about regime change,” a State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf, said Tuesday. Seeking to reassure the public that the United States would not be drawn into a civil war in the Middle East, and perhaps to lower expectations of what the attack might accomplish, Obama administration officials acknowledged that their action would not accomplish Mr. Obama’s repeated demand that Mr. Assad step down.

And what would we accomplish?  Well likely the opposite of what we hoped would happen – deterrence and degradation.  Assad would be invited to prove the US wasn’t successful in either by doing what?  Using chemical weapons once again.  His reasoning would be that since he’s being accused of doing so, and supposedly punished for doing so, there’s no reason not to do it again.

Then what?

~McQ

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The playbook: Throw a few bombs, let the media announce that Obama just might be the greatest CIC evah, and it distracts from the scandals plaguing the administration. #winning

beatcanvas on August 28, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Not bad. JE Dyer has the best write up on this that I have seen.

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

“Mission Botched!”

trs on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

#NameObamasNewWar

Operation Squirrel

Operation Soaring Platitude

Operation Strawman

Operation War on Phony Scandals

Operation Let Me Be Clear

petefrt on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

I am a little confused as to how the leaking of battle plans to the NYT qualifies as wise.

Notwithstanding the potential for a this to be a diversion, which doesn’t really comport with the Obama Administration past proclivity for leaking, it’s a losing strategy.

There is no casus belli or national interest for our country and anything less than an attack would now be seen as weak.

This is a foolish strategy which could only be constructed by political denizens, because all the outcomes are designed to manipulate pathos, rather than produce substantive, lasting results.

Ultimately, the risks far outweigh any perceived benefit, the latter of which currently alludes me in any significant quantity.

Mr. Obama seems to cherish and in fact promote himself as an aloof and divisive partisan figure. So if he’s hoping to see people “rally around the flag” and support him in these misadventures, he’s sorely mistaken.

In a phrase, “you reap what you sow”.

Marcus Traianus on August 28, 2013 at 10:10 AM

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

JE has always been a good writer.

kingsjester on August 28, 2013 at 10:11 AM

1. Obama doesn’t like Israel.
2. Syria has said that an attack on them will result in an attack by them on Tel Aviv.
3. Obama strikes Syria inducing an attack on Israel.

Is that the plan?

Charlemagne on August 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

This is a very bad idea. It is going to happen for one reason only. Obama gave a speech where he drew a red line like the very stupid bastard that he is. How dare Assad use chemical weapons after OBAMA told him not to. Thin-skinned dictatorship and Obama’s third war.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM

If Assad actually used chemical-weapons in this case, why would a bunch of fakey-fake Islamic Pallywood videos be released by the rebels?

Do we even know what type of chemical weapons Assad used? Is it the type that drive you to make fake videos?

If there is actual physical evidence of these attacks, I’ll believe it. But just accepting that the attacks happened because a series of fake videos were released in an obvious propaganda attempt is just foolish.

happytobehere on August 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM

I am sure that the strikes will not be limited to the headquarter of the unit that launched the chemical attack… That is only one building… The air strikes will certainly greatly degrade Assad fire power capability in particular if we attack his military airports, his air force, and his command and communication centers, his tanks and artillery divisions…

Let us all remember that the Libya mission was also very limited in scope when it was announced publically… The publically announced mission was about protecting the Libyan civilians in Benghazi from Qaddafi attack and Benghazi was the last city held by the rebels… The actual mission was much larger than that and ended with the death of Qaddafi himself…

I am not saying that the Assad regime will be toppled by the air strikes but its fire power capability will be greatly weakened and this will tilt the balance of fighting on the ground toward the rebels or at least make sure that Assad is not going to win…

The most important thing is the follow up on the air strikes… The Free Syrian Army must be made the strongest faction among the rebels so when Assad falls it will be them who take over Syria rather than the Al Qaeda terrorists among the rebels…

mnjg on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Doing nothing would be better than doing something half-assed.

But OBummer backed himself into a corner with his mouth. So he’s going to use a few Tomahawk missiles to throw some smoke and dust into the air to try to show that he’s serious.

This move does nothing but further demonstrate the weakness and silliness of this administration.

EA_MAN on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

petefrt on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Operation Wag the Dog.

Operation Reset

Operation Kick Ass

Operation Don’t Call my Bluff

WisRich on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Not bad. JE Dyer has the best write up on this that I have seen.

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Hotair screwed up. She was an excellent read. Should have made a full time slot here for her. Always liked her. Still do.

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Same thing with Dr. Zero. Massive screw up.

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Come on Obama! Toss some of those grenades!

HotAirian on August 28, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Warmonger. Where’s Code Pink protesting and telling me Obama’s a war criminal?

fortcoins on August 28, 2013 at 10:21 AM

If the mission’s intent is to deter the chemical weapon perpetrator then the peace prize recipient should be running scared.

Windsweeping on August 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM

WH leaking is OK when its a dem
C’mon
/

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I like to think Poyner and the gang are doing just fine.

They even have cheese curds, for those who like them.

Now, if SWalker would just stop spamming and contribute…

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Operation don’t blame me

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Operation Mom Jeans.

patman77 on August 28, 2013 at 10:25 AM

The goal of the operation is “not about regime change,” a State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf, said Tuesday.

Translation: We are covering our butt just in case we cripple Assad to the point that AQ overtakes the country. By stating that we don’t want regime change, we are washing our hands of the unintended consequences of bombing Assad’s assets, namely AQ rebels getting the upper hand in the civil war.

Since when has it been our job to “punish” foreign nations for their actions?

We really need to take a step back and only use military action when it is necessary to protect our national security or to support an ally. This makes it worse for our allies (Israel), and there is no benefit to our national security. The only benefit here is that Obama’s credibility is bolstered for taking action on the red-line.

We are at the point in our history where our military is taking action simply because of our President’s ego.

weaselyone on August 28, 2013 at 10:26 AM

One of the first things any military commander must do is define the mission clearly and succinctly.

Sure, that’s what a military commander would do.

But the relevant question here is: what would a corrupt slumlord and her failed “community-organizer” acolyte do? Because sadly, that is who the idiot voters of this nation chose to make Commander-in-Chief.

AZCoyote on August 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM

petefrt on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Operation This is for Trayvon

Basil Fawlty on August 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Operation If I had a Dictator, he’d look a lot like Assad

WisRich on August 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Lolz! ; )

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM

The goal is to oust or assasinate Assad and get the Muslim Brotherhood into power. It’s a stupid idea, but progressives love stupid ideas, so they’re gonna go with it.

Remember when the press called Reagan a war-monger? When the press called for GWB’s impeachment because he had no proof of WMD’s? Ahhhh… Good times.. good times…

ROCnPhilly on August 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM

For some reason everyone – Obama, Cameron in Britain, and Hollande in France – seems to be assuming that Syria won’t shoot back.

potkas7 on August 28, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Operation Underlord!!

Deano1952 on August 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

For some reason everyone – Obama, Cameron in Britain, and Hollande in France – seems to be assuming that Syria won’t shoot back.

potkas7 on August 28, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Or Iran, or Hezbollah, or that Russia and other regimes will sit back.

rob verdi on August 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

the media and the people keep asking for a clear understanding of what will be done, which makes no sense to me to have all the details out there. And then we wonder why it’ll be a failure?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on August 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Not bad. JE Dyer has the best write up on this that I have seen.

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Hotair screwed up. She was an excellent read. Should have made a full time slot here for her. Always liked her. Still do.

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

She’s not squishy enough for HA.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

This all doesn’t add up to me.

Obama has gone from a full-waffle during the Cuomo interview to the Chemical-Weapon-Avenger within a week. Who’s writing this script?

The pre-selling and promo of the “punitive strike” already appears to be larger than the strike itself. No doubt the President’s remarks post-strike will be met with rave reviews from the media. A truly boffo performance.

This all looks staged, even though poll after poll shows almost no public support. Is it just to distract from Obamacare and the budget fight?

pilsener on August 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Operation Bush’s Fault

Liam on August 28, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Operation Bush Did It First So I’m Innocent

Liam on August 28, 2013 at 10:48 AM

And within a month Russia will have replaced anything that has been destroyed. What, you think Dear Liar is going to go full Cuban Missile Crisis and blockade Syria?

If you wanted to project a strong America, you wouldn’t do this. If, on the other hand, you felt that America has been arrogant in the past and needed to be cut down to size by projecting us as weak, internationally, this is exactly what you would do.

rbj on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

the media and the people keep asking for a clear understanding of what will be done, which makes no sense to me to have all the details out there. And then we wonder why it’ll be a failure?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on August 28, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Suggest you get a hold of today’s WSJ and read the opinion page.
This Admin. is giving out the info you referenced.

As well, it was the President who set the whole darn table with his “red line” comment last year. We are waiting to be served.

Jabberwock on August 28, 2013 at 10:49 AM

It’s the lack of discipline in this administration that scares me. Israel has still not *officially* admitted to the various strikes it carried out springtime in Syria to obliterate limited and specific weapons caches. In the meantime, our cowboy prez is handing out copies of target lists to the papers, and promising not to “destroy-destroy” anything too shiny.

Apparently his idea of a fun time is throwing baseballs at hornets’ nests.

ChicagoJewishGuy on August 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Operation Watch the Birdie. Right out of the Axelrod playbook.
Barry Hussein will bomb Syria just to distract from the plethora of scandals he has no knowledge of.
Worked for Bubba who bombed the crap out of Serbia just to take media attention away from Monica and the league of ugly women he accosted.

Buttercup on August 28, 2013 at 10:58 AM

The most important thing is the follow up on the air strikes… The Free Syrian Army must be made the strongest faction among the rebels so when Assad falls it will be them who take over Syria rather than the Al Qaeda terrorists among the rebels…

mnjg on August 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Yeah, about that. Getting from A to B and somehow making the presumably Al Qaeda-free Free Syrian Army the strongest faction is the tricky part, and by tricky I mean it isn’t happening. We don’t have the wherewithal or the will to ensure more liberal elements of the insurgency receive the arms, training and resources they would need to emerge as the strongest player in the resistance.

Insofar as this ill-conceived Syrian strike is concerned, the stockpiles have already been (or are being) moved, as the author of this piece pointed out. The President knows this. Lobbing cruise missiles at Syrian C&C targets and now-empty nerve gas storage facilities constitutes a gesture, not a fight. Clinton did something similar and ended up blowing up a powdered milk factory or some such thing.

It should also be noted that the Russians have almost certainly been supplying Syria with the latest in anti-ship and anti-aircraft missile technologies. Remember British naval losses in the Faulklands War? That.

If I was Vladimir Putin or Ali Hosseini Khamenei, I would strongly encourage the Syrians to do all they could to damage the Americans as badly as they could–not that Assad would need much urging. I strongly doubt we’ll manage to pull this off without American casualties.

But hey, who knows? The President might be ridiculously advertising all of these attack times and locations in order to deceive the enemy, fooling everyone who thinks he’s a feckless, narcissistic imbecile.

Nah.

troyriser_gopftw on August 28, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Mark this post. Twenty bucks it ‘proves’ how tuff the dems are at the 2016 convention. “Arrrrrrrrrrggggggg, beware!”

Limerick on August 28, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Even if it succeeds I don’t see the point. How does it help anyone to force Assad and Iran to wage a genocidal war with conventional weapons instead of WMD?

kcewa on August 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Apparently his idea of a fun time is throwing baseballs at hornets’ nests.

ChicagoJewishGuy on August 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM

CIMP

Commander in Mom Pants

Shy Guy on August 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Syria: A mission destined for failure

What has Obama done that has not been a failure?

cajunpatriot on August 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM

What has Obama done that has not been a failure?

cajunpatriot on August 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Winning Elections.

kcewa on August 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

This Op will be the Obama version of a drive-by shooting.

It’s how he rolls.

MichaelGabriel on August 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Operation Big Kahuna

Basil Fawlty on August 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM

This all doesn’t add up to me.

Obama has gone from a full-waffle during the Cuomo interview to the Chemical-Weapon-Avenger within a week. Who’s writing this script?

The pre-selling and promo of the “punitive strike” already appears to be larger than the strike itself. No doubt the President’s remarks post-strike will be met with rave reviews from the media. A truly boffo performance.

This all looks staged, even though poll after poll shows almost no public support. Is it just to distract from Obamacare and the budget fight?

pilsener on August 28, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Who’s writing this script? Valerie Jarrett.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM

They gotta leak the plans so they can gauge the public reaction before the actual attack. Being seen as doing something is the new normal in DC whether it works out for the best or not. If the cinc aids the rebels aka AQ, is that giving aid and comfort to our enemy? Just askin’.

Kissmygrits on August 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

But the relevant question here is: what would a corrupt slumlord and her failed “community-organizer” acolyte do? Because sadly, that is who the idiot voters of this nation chose to make Commander-in-Chief.
AZCoyote on August 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM

This.
Operation First Woman President Valerie Jarrett

marybel on August 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Publicly laying out his battle plans dovetails beautifully off of his “red line” posture. This makes him look tough in his own mind regardless of the guaranteed failure of his efforts or the tragic results thereof.

Deano1952 on August 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Obama will unleash a few air strikes, declare VICTORY! And then go back to what’s important. Campaigning amongst his loyal followers.

GarandFan on August 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Is there an office pool going on guessing what Obama’s targets in Syria will be?

I am guessing lots of empty warehouses, targets in the far, far east of Syria out in nowhere, an ammo dump for that really cool “shock and awe” explosion that is played over and over on the news.

albill on August 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Is there an office pool going on guessing what Obama’s targets in Syria will be?

albill on August 28, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I pick Christian churches and businesses. If America is going to become Al Qaeda’s air force, then we should pick the targets accordingly.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Operation Red Line

EA_MAN on August 28, 2013 at 11:14 AM

What has Obama done that has not been a failure?
cajunpatriot on August 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Turning his head from one TelePrompTer to the other and intoning us with its wisdom.

happytobehere on August 28, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Russians compare Obama to “..a monkey throwing hand grenades!” Ha! They nailed it! I agree with their assessment!

Marco on August 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Operation Chelsea Gaga
Miley Mompants
Iliad Sunset
Sapphic Blossom’
Phallic Drone

spiritof61 on August 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

A different point of view, however, might be that since the country isn’t talking anymore about all those phoney scandals…..mission accomplished!

Deafdog on August 28, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Russians compare Obama to “..a monkey throwing hand grenades!” Ha! They nailed it! I agree with their assessment!

Marco on August 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Расист.

spiritof61 on August 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Using chemical weapons once again. His reasoning would be that since he’s being accused of doing so, and supposedly punished for doing so, there’s no reason not to do it again.

Then what?

Well that notoriously thin skinned, ego maniacal empty suit leading our clown posse will probably escalate the situation.

No good will come of this.

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Then what?

No one, and I mean NO ONE is considering that Syria might successful retaliate against the U.S. such as using one of those new shiny anti-ship missiles, Yakhont/Onyx missile, they just got from the Russians to cripple or sink an American warship, which immediately become a de facto/de jure act of war.

Then what indeed

E9RET on August 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Pretty soon B.O. will begin sporting aviator sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on August 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.

nazo311 on August 28, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The entire behavior of our government regarding this situation is bizarre. Clueless is telling Assad the entire battle plan ahead of time.

This entire charade is nothing more than a diversion to get the scandals out of the news cycle. It can’t be anything else.

Remember, these are the same people who locked up a video maker and covered up their crimes in Benghazi, who lied and covered up their crimes with the IRS, the DoJ, the NSA, Fast and Furious and countless others.

And ZeroCare.

Now they are starting a war planned as well as ZeroCare and Porkulus.

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Pretty soon B.O. will begin sporting aviator sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on August 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Yeah, I can see him dressing up like Idi Amin or Qhudafi with a chest full of medals to impress his crowd.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Then what?

Putin.

Oil prices spike, new weapons to sell to the Syrians, Obama pwned.

All good for the Russians.

MichaelGabriel on August 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM

The mission is destined for failure in any rational sense; under the traditional paradigm of the American Republic. The real purpose of this operation is domestic power outside that paradigm.

1) if he pulls it off with no major repercussions, he has demonstrated once again that the Congress of the United States [and the Constitution] are now superfluous. They have the same dynamics as the Supreme Soviet or the Reichstag 1934-1945. Once again he will have gathered the reins of power into his personal hands with no recourse.

2) if a major conflict arises out of this, he will successfully be removing part of the overstretched US military, collapse the US economy further, and as a bonus stand a good chance of harming or destroying Israel; all of which are his goals. And the events can be used as further justification for further suspensions of civil liberties domestically.

If the mission and the means don’t match up, there is something else going on.

For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearance, as though they were realities and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are
~ Niccolo Machiavelli

Subotai Bahadur on August 28, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Pretty soon B.O. will begin sporting aviator sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on August 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Heh! Hey, he should have worn that stuff when he explained to the American people why he’s planning on bombing Syria…… oh wait.

I guess he doesn’t think we need to know anything other than the fact that Syria insulted him by ignoring his red line speech. They must be punished. And you and I don’t deserve any sort of explanation. Congress doesn’t need to provide the Constitutionally mandated approval.

Just a rat-eared dicatator lashing out against somebody who dissed him.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM

No one, and I mean NO ONE is considering that Syria might successful retaliate against the U.S. such as using one of those new shiny anti-ship missiles, Yakhont/Onyx missile, they just got from the Russians to cripple or sink an American warship, which immediately become a de facto/de jure act of war.

Then what indeed

E9RET on August 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Then what indeed. Americans (other than the rat-eared wonder who has been insulted) want a third Obama war. How’s he going to blame having a ship destroyed on GWB? I guess it will be chalked up to sequestration.

But how to respond beyond CYA? It might not matter. What with the talk of impeachment finally beginning due to public outrage.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM

#NameObamasNewWar

Operation Ahh, Umm, Ahh, Ahh, Umm
Operation Let’s Move

RandallinHerndon on August 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Operation Squirrel

Operation Soaring Platitude

Operation Strawman

Operation War on Phony Scandals

Operation Let Me Be Clear

petefrt on August 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Operation Focused Laser

Operation Tee Time

Oldnuke on August 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Barry jes tryin’ to get his nads back.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Back?

cozmo on August 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Robert Fisk maintains that Obama is putting us squarely on the side of al-Qa’ida:

If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured – for the very first time in history – that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qa’ida.

Not to be a rabble-rouser and I hate Obama as much as the rest here, but didn’t we side with the Mujahideen, a progenitor of the Taliban and closely related to al-Qa’ida?

Gettin’ so you don’t know the players without a scorecard.

The War Planner on August 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Pretty soon B.O. will begin sporting aviator sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on August 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Yeah, I can see him dressing up like Idi Amin or Qhudafi with a chest full of medals to impress his crowd.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I see him going all Sasha Baron Cohen and showing up one day looking like Admiral General Aladeen.

RandallinHerndon on August 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM

War is not much unlike pregnant. You don’t do either halfway.

Tsar of Earth on August 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Pretty soon B.O. will begin sporting aviator sunglasses and a big military hat…

Galtian on August 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

..and one of those ridiculous two-sizes-to-big-for-my-metrosexual-body MA-1s with the ridiculous CINC patch.

The War Planner on August 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM

..speaking of which, anyone remember that comparison of photos of “W” and “O” riding bikes? How’s about the rat-eared bastage’s flight jacket versus W’s flight suit?

The War Planner on August 28, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Not to be a rabble-rouser and I hate Obama as much as the rest here, but didn’t we side with the Mujahideen, a progenitor of the Taliban and closely related to al-Qa’ida?

Gettin’ so you don’t know the players without a scorecard.

The War Planner on August 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

If you are think Afganistan, I think it was more this.

Our support was more directed at the Northern Alliance. While they were part of the Mujahideen, they did not always get along with AQ. The Taliban was kind of a middleman.
While all were fighting the Soviets, they did not see eye to eye.

Kind of the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”

Jabberwock on August 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

This Op will be the Obama version of a drive-by shooting.

It’s how he rolls.

MichaelGabriel on August 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Thread winner!

Droopy on August 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Barry jes tryin’ to get his nads back.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Then he should be planning an attack on Jarrett and Moochelle because they have them. Syria is just taking advantage of his lack. But then so are China, Russia, North Korea and Egypt.

Oldnuke on August 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

War is not much unlike pregnant. You don’t do either halfway.

Tsar of Earth on August 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Actually, Democrats do both these halfway as a matter of common practice.

Droopy on August 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Russians compare Obama to “..a monkey throwing hand grenades!” Ha! They nailed it! I agree with their assessment!

Marco on August 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Russkies must have seen a certain episode of Gilligan’s Island. I can’t find a clip, but it’s Season 3 Episode 29. A native monkey throws plates made of explosive clay that blow up on impact.

freedomfirst on August 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Operation Cluster Fark

Missilengr on August 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM

The photo on the main page of an old, out of commission, rebuilt WW II vintage, Essex class carrier seems somehow appropriate.

farsighted on August 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM

It will be a terrible waste of elegant and effective modern ordnance.
But wasting stuff is King Putt’s specialty.

Embarrassing to say this but: Launch the missiles, we’ll make more.

Missilengr on August 28, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Operation Send in the clowns, although

Missilengr on August 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM

That’s very good too..

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Well, well, well…The Saudis have been trying to broker a deal with Putin.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/08/27/fed-up-saudis-look-to-russia-for-help-in-syria/

onlineanalyst on August 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM

One of the first things any military commander must do is define the mission clearly and succinctly.

Generalissimo C-in-C Dear Leader Comrade O has defined the mission. He wants to send a “message” to Assad, but not degrade his military capability.

So I guess they will get a three day high tech fireworks, pyrotechnics, and demolition show over there, with big holes made in empty fields and old unused buildings blown up, or something. Infrastructure is also probably off the target list. That is, unless Big Bro Barry is lying about not wanting to degrade Assad’s military capabilities.

Maybe War Lord O will blow up one or two of Assad’s residences, provided no one is at home.

After that we will see the Syrian and Hezbollah response. A parade of “collateral damage” photos and videos of mangled and dead bodies of women, children, and old men.

The Comrade O will get to put on his best “who, me?” face and issue denials. No one in the ME will believe him.

Then we get to see what Russia, Iran, and China have planned. I doubt Dear Leader will like it.

After this, Obama the Terrible, Nobel Peace Prize winner, will be blamed for everything that happens in Syria. It will all be tied to his “message” in one way or another. I guess Teh One hasn’t figured out that’s how things work over there.

farsighted on August 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The strikes would instead be aimed at military units that have carried out chemical attacks, the headquarters overseeing the effort and the rockets and artillery that have launched the attacks, according to the options being reviewed within the administration.

Those locations will all be empty.

What was formerly there, personnel and equipment and weapons, is now located near hospitals, schools, orphanages, mosques, and densely populated urban locations.

And if they happen to hit some chemical weapons caches near populated areas, I hope they manage to destroy it all rather than release some of it into surrounding areas.

farsighted on August 28, 2013 at 1:42 PM

And what would we accomplish? Well likely the opposite of what we hoped would happen – deterrence and degradation. Assad would be invited to prove the US wasn’t successful in either by doing what? Using chemical weapons once again. His reasoning would be that since he’s being accused of doing so, and supposedly punished for doing so, there’s no reason not to do it again.

Then what?

And what do the Russians and Iranians have planned?

My bet is they are all, including Assad, thinking several steps ahead of Comrade O.

farsighted on August 28, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Obummer and Jarrett are all confused on the optics with this issue. I for one do not support my president bombing Syria. A few moments of sweet revenge followed by 30 years of misery.

jake49 on August 28, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Then what indeed. Americans (other than the rat-eared wonder who has been insulted) want a third Obama war. How’s he going to blame having a ship destroyed on GWB? I guess it will be chalked up to sequestration.

But how to respond beyond CYA? It might not matter. What with the talk of impeachment finally beginning due to public outrage.

Happy Nomad

I am stunned at the shallowness of this discussion among our leaders. Do we seriously believe that Syria is going to roll over if we bomb them? In addition to a damn efficient anti-ship systems, Syria sports anti-air capacity at least as deadly as anything the Russians have (and I guarantee it will be Russians manning those sites!) around Moscow.

This ain’t Libya where even a few ZSU-57-2 or SZU-23-4 systems from the cold war gave our pilots vapors. Syria has some damn-bad-news (DBN)anti-air capabilities that will scare the hell out of our pilots.

At the very least, if we send aircraft we’re going to lose some and then we are going to see U.S. POWs, (or bodies!!), paraded in the streets. THAT will be bad enough but to damage or sink a U.S. warship with concomitant loss of American life will raise the bar; “mission creep” anyone?

We are standing on a precipice of our own making and that’s not even considering Iran’s response. This will not end well.

E9RET on August 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

War is not much unlike pregnant. You don’t do either halfway.

Tsar of Earth on August 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Actually, Democrats do both these halfway as a matter of common practice.

Droopy on August 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Dang! Good catch. I can admit when I’ve been outplayed ;>

Tsar of Earth on August 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

It took seven months of bombing Libya for that to end; two days of bombing Syria will amount to jacksh**.

TheDriver on August 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Syria could and likely would initiate another chemical attack after the US attacks… Assad would be invited to prove the US wasn’t successful in either by doing what? Using chemical weapons once again.

Do you honestly believe he’s done it once?

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Pretty sure Sun Tzu would not be impressed.

Pale Rider on August 28, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Is anyone surprised Harvard had to hide Barky’s grades?

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I am stunned at the shallowness of this discussion among our leaders. Do we seriously believe that Syria is going to roll over if we bomb them? In addition to a damn efficient anti-ship systems, Syria sports anti-air capacity at least as deadly as anything the Russians have (and I guarantee it will be Russians manning those sites!) around Moscow.

This ain’t Libya where even a few ZSU-57-2 or SZU-23-4 systems from the cold war gave our pilots vapors. Syria has some damn-bad-news (DBN)anti-air capabilities that will scare the hell out of our pilots.

At the very least, if we send aircraft we’re going to lose some and then we are going to see U.S. POWs, (or bodies!!), paraded in the streets. THAT will be bad enough but to damage or sink a U.S. warship with concomitant loss of American life will raise the bar; “mission creep” anyone?

We are standing on a precipice of our own making and that’s not even considering Iran’s response. This will not end well.

E9RET on August 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Syria has junk Russian weapons which is 30 years behind our military technology… We have the most effective and swiftest military solution for every surface to air missile or surface to sea missile that Syria has… We do see every movement, every radar system, every missile battery, that the Syrian have, and we see it in a live time… Our basic military principle is simple: We see the enemy and the enemy is dead… We can certainly see the Syria military divisions, its equipment, and its movements…

mnjg on August 28, 2013 at 3:32 PM

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