Obama: We’ve “concluded” that Syrian army conducted chemical-weapon attack

posted at 6:31 pm on August 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

While the UK calls for a slowdown in the push to punish Bashar al-Assad for the use of chemical weapons in Syria, Barack Obama says that “we have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these [attacks] out.”  The President told Gwen Ifill and Judy Woodruff that this conclusion requires consequences, and that a failure to punish this violation of “international norms” puts the security of the United States at risk:

It might not come as quickly as Obama wants, however. The Atlantic reports that the UK, America’s closest ally, wants to slow things down until David Cameron can give the UN a chance to say no:

The Obama administration’s plans to carry out a limited air strike against Syria may be delayed until Tuesday thanks to political opposition in the U.K. Parliament. How would British opposition to an American military action throw off the whole schedule? The U.S. and the U.K., according to a Guardian report, seem to be jointly pursuing support for a military strike. And while it looks like the president believes he has all the support he needs to move those plans forward, things have become more complicated in the U.K. Because of that, the U.S. is apparently giving Cameron a “lifeline” so he can quell an anticipated “revolt” in Parliament, as opposition to military action in Syria grows there.

That should give Obama a chance to ask Congress for approval, but don’t expect him to make the pitch.  So far, Obama can’t even be bothered to provide proper consultation to the intel committees on Capitol Hill:

U.S. congressional intelligence committee leaders believe the Obama administration has not properly consulted them as the president engages in final deliberations for possible military action in Syria, according to congressional officials.

One of the officials said the administration’s discussions with critical lawmakers, including Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein and her House counterpart, Mike Rogers, had been limited to “very brief status updates.”

Another official said such talks had largely taken place over unclassified non-secure phone lines, making it difficult to discuss sensitive intelligence findings or details of the administration’s plans for a possible U.S. military response.

Golly, remember when liberals were so concerned about a rush to war and the conservative-imposed “imperial presidency”?  Ed Schultz seems to have time-traveled back to that long-ago era:

Someone need to wake up Ed Van Winkel and remind him who’s been President for the last four-plus years.


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How, liar?

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Liblikeaslave, you hypocrite, come out against this war, you double-standarded weasel, bigot and racist extraordinaire.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

For obama the Syria action is a capricious act to show Putin who is really emperor of the world.

The US has zero strategic interests to go there. obama dithered for years and now it’s a huge clusterfark.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Perfect summation of the clusterfark in the ME.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

It was a couple of rogue mid-level agents.

John the Libertarian on August 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Obama: We’ve “concluded” that Syrian army conducted chemical-weapon attack.

In the intel world such is a purely political conclusion.

Not, we have solid evidence, we have an abundance of clear intelligence, we have proof….just a “we concluded.”

So, who is “we?”

Obama, Kerry, Power, Rice, and Jarrett?

It is all about the narrative with this King Barry guy, isn’t it?

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

He can use his prosecutorial war discretion because it’s the right thing to do and for the children.

JeremiahJohnson on August 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Perfect summation of the clusterfark in the ME.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Perfect, indeed.

John the Libertarian on August 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Send BaBa WaWa over to do a smoochfest with her friend Assad and all will be forgiven….

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I don’t believe this a$$hat. I ink the “rebels” fired those chemical weapons and juggears is playing right into it. He’s about to aid Al Qaeda in toppling Assad.

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Where are you LiveFreeOffOthers? You’re boyking is about to start yet ANOTHER war in the Middle East. Who’s the fluking war monger now you clown?!

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I don’t believe this a$$hat. I ink the “rebels” fired those chemical weapons and juggears is playing right into it. He’s about to aid Al Qaeda in toppling Assad.

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

That is exactly what is about to happen.

And every Democrat is cheering it on.

tetriskid on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

McCain, Hagel and Kerry must have conducted the lab tests.

Somewhere Peter King watched too.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

If Assad is such a threat to our national security, please explain how helping AQ is better?

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Fat Eddie Shultz isn’t exactly known for his intelligence.

GarandFan on August 28, 2013 at 6:45 PM

conservatives call for war?

mccain graham and king and thats it…

love how the libs paint the gop with the broad brush, but don’t dare do it with the dems…

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Apparently Obama never heard about AQ-Levant, which now includes AQ-Iraq, and presently they are the strongest anti-Assad force in the region.

I hope the UN tells UK to bugger off…and UK closes their facilities in Cyprus to US forces.

Back in the day when a NATO member went rogue, we cut them off…Greece at one time, Turkey at another. About time NATO told one of its members to back off.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

he’s addressed the nation in his mind talking with pbs

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Obama: Speaking in MLK’s shadow ‘like following Jesus’

“But since I am Jesus that’s settled” — obama

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

The scary thing is that Ed’s fan base probably thinks he’s spot on.

aryeung on August 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

aryeung on August 28, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Both of them?

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

exactly how is this a threat to national security…still hasn’t explain this in order to bypass congress

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

What makes the REB think that he can control the period of Operation Fredo?

After three days of air attacks, what if Syria continues to counter-attack US ships in the Med and US bases in the region? Will he escalate our attacks? What will be objective #2? What if Assad decides that the only way to unite Arabs, al Qaeda, hezblahblah and Hamas, Sunni and Shia, is to continue attacks on the US?

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Fat Eddie Shultz isn’t exactly known for his intelligence.

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

myiq2xu on August 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

If the President didn’t totally box himself (and the country) into a no-win scenario based on his naive and incompetent foreign policy / world view – then the President should be working on these next steps…

Step 1 – The President addresses the nation and produces the evidence that led to that conclusion….

Step 2 – The President takes his case and presents / makes it to Congress – requesting Congressional authorization for action..

It would be prudent that the President, after Step 1, also reaches out to the UNSC, NATO, Israel, and our few Arab friends to build an international coalition. At the same time, firm warnings need to be delivered to Russia, China, and Iran, the key enablers of Assad’s regime, that opposition to an international coalition would have significant repercussions.

But none of that has or will happen. This President doesn’t operate on this basis – and doesn’t accept that his world view / foreign policy is fundamentally flawed, sharing to a large extent the same view towards this country as our enemies do.

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

The scary thing is that Ed’s fan base probably thinks he’s spot on.

All 4 of them…

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

The enemy of my enemy is my friend…writ large.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

exactly how is this a threat to national security…still hasn’t explain this in order to bypass congress

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM

It’s not. The only threat is to Barry’s street-cred.

The REB hasn’t figured out yet that Affirmative Action stops at the water’s edge.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Obama (and Clinton and Petraeus and Rice) also concluded that an obscure video was responsible for Bengazi, so no one in their right mind would believe him.

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Not, we have solid evidence, we have an abundance of clear intelligence, we have proof….just a “we concluded.” …

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

it’s like the old joke about lab work. Draw the graph and only then plot the data points. Whether it’s Egypt’s ‘coup’ or Illegals who are ‘Dreamers’, the conclusion must support the desired actions.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

President Theodore Roosevelt – “Speak softly and carry a big stick”

President Barack Obama – “Whatever Jarrett says…”

WH Advisor Valerie Jarrett – “Speak loudly and save the big stick for our political opponents…”

Teleprompter of the United States – “Beam me up Scotty, no sign of intelligent life here.”

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Looking pretty gray, old man, office not as stress free as you imagined?

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Liblikeaslave, you hypocrite, come out against this war, you double-standarded weasel, bigot and racist extraordinaire.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

I want to ask libfree about this.

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War

In court papers filed today (PDF), the United States Department of Justice requested that George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz be granted procedural immunity in a case alleging that they planned and waged the Iraq War in violation of international law.

-snip-

“The DOJ claims that in planning and waging the Iraq War, ex-President Bush and key members of his Administration were acting within the legitimate scope of their employment and are thus immune from suit,” chief counsel Inder Comar of Comar Law said.

The “Westfall Act certification,” submitted pursuant to the Westfall Act of 1988, permits the Attorney General, at his or her discretion, to substitute the United States as the defendant and essentially grant absolute immunity to government employees for actions taken within the scope of their employment.

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Both of them?

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Ooops. Sorry. Meant Schultz. Where are the prog trolls to “Amen” Schultz?

aryeung on August 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

ot: the rally today was a dem convention rally
-jonah goldberg

you betcha…tim scott? clarence thomas?..nope

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

When your very own autobiography complete with imaginary friends by a fugitive from justice…when does truth matter?

Sure wish the MSM has asked the really simple questions back in 2007 and 2005.

Like who the hell is this snake oil salesman from Illinois/Hawaii/Kenya anyway?

Could have saved a bunch of lives and several trillions of our money.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

All 4 of them…

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 6:49 PM

That’s encouraging.

aryeung on August 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:50 PM

heh

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

dammit…stupid small keyboard.…”imaginary friends written by a fugitive from justice…”

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Where are you LiveFreeOffOthers? You’re boyking is about to start yet ANOTHER war in the Middle East. Who’s the fluking war monger now you clown?!

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

They said that if I voted for John McCain we would have an insane warmonger in the White House, and they were right, I voted for John McCain and we have an insane warmonger in the White House.

Actually, I didn’t vote for McCain, I voted third party, but you get the point.

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Does that caption actually say, “Obama-I have not made a decision on Syria”?!? After days of leaks and bluster??? I’ll be ecstatic if we don’t go to war again, this time helping AQ, but talk about making yourself and us the mockery of the world. That Russian premier was right in his description the other day.

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Except for that hand grenade part.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Oh Perfect. Now He’s even speaking in the ‘Royal Third Person’.

So much for subtlety.

a5minmajor on August 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

yep, the lsm is confirming that dear leader has made his case during the interview with pbs…he doesn’t need to address the nation

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

He [King Barry] is flinging all sorts of “stuff”…and far more dangerous, too.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Everything I have read seems to intimate that a “loose cannon” in the Army, probably or maybe the brother fired them off. Not much proof that Assad ordered it. This is a perfect storm to kick of a major war due to the players involved . Check out Canada Free Press

retiredeagle on August 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

They said that if I voted for John McCain we would have an insane warmonger in the White House, and they were right

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

don’t forget an idiot for a vice president

John the Libertarian on August 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Except for that hand grenade part.
coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

LOL. Maybe they’ll be precision guided hand grenades.

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

obama is justified in this fight..he has a legitimate
-bob corker

cripe another mccain

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I want to ask libfree about this.

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War…

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I’m sure the Democrats would love to prosecute Republicans and make it illegal for conservatives to hold office (not that Bush was much of am conservative). But they can’t quite get away with it yet politically. They still require an excuse, but that day may yet come. Good luck getting a coherent response from the lefty.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

corker supports the target strikes

ugh

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 7:07 PM

They said that if I voted for John McCain we would have an insane warmonger in the White House, and they were right

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM

don’t forget an idiot for a vice president

John the Libertarian on August 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

What’s so funny about Uncle Joe Biden is that he dodged the draft as many times as War Criminal Dick Chaney did, and still the Left call him a hero for it.

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

All sorts of curios and interesting there.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Curious. This is what I get for having 6 gin and tonics for lunch.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Looking pretty gray, old man, office not as stress free as you imagined?

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

They dye his hair … it is greyer when there is a speech around a crisis. Been happening since the speech after the Tucson shooting.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

UN Official, Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Nerve Gas, Not Assad’s Army

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM

UN Official, Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Nerve Gas, Not Assad’s Army

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM

You left out the part where it says the source is a nutcase.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:15 PM

They dye his hair … it is greyer when there is a speech around a crisis. Been happening since the speech after the Tucson shooting.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Going for the “distinguished helmsman” look, is he? Bark just looks gray to me; skin, hair, eyes, aura, all gray.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Evidence: Syria gas attack work of U.S. allies

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Bark just looks gray to me; skin, hair, eyes, aura, all gray.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Well, he is half black and half white…grey is what ya get.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Bark just looks gray to me; skin, hair, eyes, aura, all gray.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Certainly the speeches are. Another reason not to bother with an Oval Office Address to the American People.

de rigueur on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

You left out the part where it says the source is a nutcase. gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:15 PM

So did you.

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

This is going to backfire horribly. Sadly, it will be our military and a large number of civilians that will pay the price. Mr. Obama’s presidency is about to implode.

Mason on August 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

LOL..the left got exactly what they feared most: Bush’s Third (and Forth) Term. This guy has spent more money, opened more active Battle Theaters, wreaked more havoc…than Mr. Bush ever DREAMED of.

Oh, say…speaking of which…How come no one ever dies in combat under Obama’s watch? *I* certainly haven’t heard of anyone via the media, getting so much as a hangnail in our current, very active war that Obama hasn’t stopped yet…before he shut down Gitmo, and stopped the Oceans from Rising…and Raised Christopher Reeve from the Dead..and made him walk again.

EVERY single human being that cast bilious aspersion at “W” for “Murdering innocent school children for Oil” or whatever their stupid mantra was…should be screaming “Impeachment” from the rooftops right now. Unfortunately, all you hear is the deafening silence of millions of hypocrites.

(Oh, and hey…wasn’t it “The Israelis” who got us all that intel about WMDs prior to the start in Iraq? But now, all of a sudden, because it supports Barry…they’re Jewish geniuses, right? ugh.)

a5minmajor on August 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM

corker supports the target strikes

ugh

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Someone needs to check for Corker’s spine because I think it hightailed it out of DC years ago.

gophergirl on August 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM

This is going to backfire horribly. Sadly, it will be our military and a large number of civilians that will pay the price. Mr. Obama’s presidency is about to implode.

Mason on August 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Yep bad bad feeling about this. This is not a good idea.

gophergirl on August 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM

So did you.

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

It was at the link you posted.

Your second link is more convincing.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Where are you LiveFreeOffOthers? You’re boyking is about to start yet ANOTHER war in the Middle East. Who’s the fluking war monger now you clown?!

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I have family members who told me openly in 2008 that they were voting for obaka because John McCain was a “warmonger”.

When I brought that comment up to them in 2012, they told me their vote was “private”.

They rarely talk to me now and several have blocked me on FB.

ladyingray on August 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Well, he is half black and half white…grey is what ya get.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Homophobe.

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

It was at the link you posted.

Your second link is more convincing.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:27 PM

I reread it and didn’t see anything about her mental state. She got pulled from a post once. Normally I don’t put a lot of stock in the UN or its minions’ pronouncements, but there’s a lot of this out there. Just doing my little part here.

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Akzed on August 28, 2013 at 7:30 PM

The amount of propaganda out there is staggering. I take everything with a grain of salt.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I have family members who told me openly in 2008 that they were voting for obaka because John McCain was a “warmonger”.

When I brought that comment up to them in 2012, they told me their vote was “private”.

They rarely talk to me now and several have blocked me on FB.

ladyingray on August 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I have good friends in California who hated Bush and wanted him impeached for his “war crimes” and NSA spying. When I brought up the fact that their boy Obama has expanded the spying to include American citizens one said “meh, that’s been going on since Bush” despite all the evidence to the contrary. Luckily for me we have a fun enough relationship that we can banter about this stuff and still remain friends. But it’s quite astonishing how the left has changed in 5 short years from being anti-war to the war mongers who spy on us instead of our enemies. Colossal hypocrites these leftists are.

And we’re still waiting LibTardOffOthers. Where is your condemnation of his war monger you call your president?

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM

This is stupid, wrong headed, and a mistake.

The true purpose, I believe, is Iran. Iran has a mutual defense treaty with Syria. On paper, if Syria decides to fight back after a US attack, then Iran is supposed to jump on board as well. If one is attack and engaged in a war with a foreign entity, the other is obligated to go to war as well.

Remember those treaties? Franz Ferdinand, WWI, all that?

I think THAT’s the point, and also the a main driver between Israel’s active involvement in escalating the situation.

Syria means nothing, there is no upside. Unless you’ve been looking for a good reason to begin bombing Iran.

Genuine on August 28, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Again, congratulations on your direct support of this administration’s actions.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

 

Congratulations on voting 3rd party so you would be able to say “I’m not responsible” on online forums. Meanwhile, intellectually serious people are working on how to oppose the rhetoric of permanent war. Do let us know when you’ve quit masturbating over your foresight in voting Constitution party and join the adult conversation.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

 

Don’t blame others for your lack of conviction.
 
Remember when you had it, btw?
 

Please do not confuse the war mongering Democratic party with the American left. …
 
this is why I voted Green in 2000 and 2004.
 
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

 

February 2012.
 
Say, that was before the re-election, wasn’t it?
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

rogerb on August 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Obama=Bush. In so many ways it blows the mind. Foreign policy, economic policy, views on the powers of the executive branch, corporatism, the same in practically all ways except for the rhetorical delivery.

The country, and liberals especially, have been sold a seriously questionable bill of goods.

“You were my brother Obama! You were the “chosen” one! You were supposed to destroy the surveillance/corporatist/military industrial complex state not join them!!”

-Obi Wan Kenobi, speaking on MSNBC recently.

Genuine on August 28, 2013 at 7:43 PM

For Obama and most liberals (due to lack of critical thinking skills I think) “concluded” = “made up this sh** last night”

deepdiver on August 28, 2013 at 7:43 PM

rogerb on August 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

LOL you magnificent bastard! It’s amazing this loser still shows his face around here. You’ve embarrassed this turd so much it’s starting to make me think he’s a masicist.

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

There is clearly no motive for Assad to do such an act, but there is clearly a motive for the jihadis (who do not value human life at all) to do such an atrocity and point the blame to the regime. In fact, the Obama administration has much more motive than Assad.

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM

There is clearly no motive for Assad to do such an act, but there is clearly a motive for the jihadis (who do not value human life at all) to do such an atrocity and point the blame to the regime. In fact, the Obama administration has much more motive than Assad.

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Exactly. Al Qaeda and Islamists value death like we’re supposed to value life(I say supposed to because its hard to claim we still value life with the millions of babies the left murders every year) they don’t care if they kill a few thousand Muslims as long as they get their way.

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

I wonder exactly what he’s trying to distract from that could be so bad that he’s willing to start a major war to keep out of the headlines.

John Deaux on August 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Obama would not know a conclusion if he fell over it!
We, concluded? ? Who’s we?
GOD Help us all.

Delsa on August 28, 2013 at 7:55 PM

MeanWhile,….

Alleged chemical attack in Syria, Aug. 21, 2013
Syrian civil war

US officials: Navy boosts carrier presence in Persian Gulf region from 1 to 2; USS Nimitz ordered to stay – @AP

11 mins ago from http://www.mysanantonio.com by editor
===================================================

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/US-officials-Navy-boosts-carrier-presence-in-Gulf-4769246.php

canopfor on August 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Just to throw some cold water on the theory that the rebels used Sarin, here is Elizabeth O’Bagy who is a Syrian specialist at ISW* and has been there 5 times in the past 2 years. She is certain that Assad is the culprit.

I’m not completely convinced by her either.

* ISW is Institute for the Study of War — DC non-partisan (i think) think-tank.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:59 PM

rogerb on August 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

LOL you magnificent bastard! It’s amazing this loser still shows his face around here. You’ve embarrassed this turd so much it’s starting to make me think he’s a masochist.

jawkneemusic on August 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Perversions often come in groups.

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

US officials: Navy boosts carrier presence in Persian Gulf region from 1 to 2; USS Nimitz ordered to stay – @AP

canopfor on August 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Upping the number of carriers in the Gulf. Four destroyers deployed off the Syrian coast. Hard not to conclude that the thin-skinned rat thinks that he is playing Risk or Battleship.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM

* ISW is Institute for the Study of War — DC non-partisan (i think) think-tank.

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:59 PM

There is no such thing as a DC non-partisan think tank. Brookings Institute and Cato bill themselves as non-partisan but they are not. That being said, I heard O’Bagy on FNC the other night and looked them up. They are better than most when it comes to the non-partisan thing. A lot better.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM

gh on August 28, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Have a bit of respect for ISW…some good folks over there.

Just tossing this out there for all, not just gh, OK?

When it comes to conflicting intelligence…that is when logic must step in to help fill the gaps or build the matrix. And, very very important finer and keener intel tasking orders must go out, FLASH if need be, but get “assets” all over the region and in all the foreign capitals that have any connection whatsoever to events in Syria, and hit the streets.

In the case of Assad, a generally rational actor, not like a Zawahiri or Ahmadinnerjacket, when he was still important…comes to a simple questions to why?

Why launch such an attack when there were UN inspectors in country, when you have been threatened with “consequences” should you cross a red line, when it is in your best interests to maintain your regime, for no other reason than allowing for a quiet exit, if need be, later, rather than plunge the entire region into chaos wherein your key enemies come out the clear victors? And you, Assad, end up doing a Ceauceascu or Mussolini in some gas station parking lot somewhere?

Then look at the “rebels,” mostly Al-Qaeda in the Levant, allied with Al-Daeda in Iraq.

Staging an “attack” would further their aims, get the United States off the dime, maybe get the Euros to stop being so reluctant, and maybe get recognition from the United Nations…sort of what Yassir Arafat pulled off decades ago, when he brought the PLO into world legitimacy.

Killing a few hundred people…not a big deal with AQ, anywhere.

Getting rid of Assad. A major goal.

Iran backs Assad…AQ is no friend of Iran, generally…both have a deep visceral dislike for the United States.

IF there is intelligence that proves Assad or anyone in his regime ordered that attack…the wisest thing this Administration, any Administration, could do would be to pack it up in a nice power point, and do a sales tour of all the major world capitals and then head for New York City and take it to Broadway…or Turtle Bay…and make it stick, photos, graphs, charts, survivors, defectors, whomever can give credence to the assertions.

Anything less…well…even UK is having some major second thoughts.

Going it alone, a la Obama…if it turns out that Assad did not order the attacks…we are screwed, in the region, and acxross the world. if it turns out that Assad did indeed order the attacks…and we merely lob a few cruise missiles into now-empty airfields and military barracks in Syria…what have we accomplished?

If we end up killing innocents or Russians…then what?

This is the sort of discussion that needs to be happening at the Policy Planning Staff at State, up on the 7th Floor over at the Agency, at the NMCC at the Pentagon…and for godsakes in the SITROOM on Pennsylvania Avenue. Over the past weeks I find what I can find that the discussions are more akin to supporting the President rather than doing what is in our best national interests.

I fear there is an Obama foregone conclusion, regardless of facts, and we are Damascus bound whether there is ample justification or not…he was publicly embarrassed when somebody crossed his “red line” and not for the first time, either.

He has to prove he is important in the region, important to the American television viewership, needs his polling/ratings to go up, fast…it is personal.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Maybe she will make the trip again right when the missles hit.

docflash on August 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Ah the infamous trip where, as a “good Catholic” she totally made an inappropriate Biblical reference.

We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace,”

I hope she does make that trip. Maybe we should start the rumor that Tea Party Republicans are warning Pelosi that she shouldn’t go to Syria as a human shield.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM

President War Pig:

http://youtu.be/0GRR_n_yQGA

myiq2xu on August 28, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The guy who was on the first [Biblical]road to Damascus was struck by lightning…

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 8:43 PM

At least the UK is taking a more cautious approach. I’m thinking that Cameron and Co. feel that this story is shady and that if an alternate truth surfaces, they’ll be caught with their pants down.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM

canopfor on August 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Upping the number of carriers in the Gulf. Four destroyers deployed off the Syrian coast. Hard not to conclude that the thin-skinned rat thinks that he is playing Risk or Battleship.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Happy Nomad:Lol,and yup:)

canopfor on August 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

In the case of Assad, a generally rational actor, not like a Zawahiri or Ahmadinnerjacket, when he was still important…comes to a simple questions to why?
coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Assad a rational actor? The evil SOB was the main supporter of Al Qaeda terrorists crossing from Syria to Iraq to fight our troops… He has a lot of American blood on his hands… The man is mass murderer who killed over 150 thousands of his own people… If not for him Hizballah terrorists would never exist because all their arms come from Iran through Syria…The man wants to enslave the Syrians and the Lebanese people under his iron fist…

Assad is not the lesser of the two evil… He is as equally evil as Al Qaeda terrorists…

mnjg on August 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

US officials: Navy boosts carrier presence in Persian Gulf region from 1 to 2; USS Nimitz ordered to stay – @AP

canopfor on August 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Ugh, eight months into a six month deployment. Been there done that. Sux.

Oldnuke on August 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM

While the UK calls for a slowdown in the push to punish Bashar al-Assad for the use of chemical weapons in Syria, Barack Obama says that “we have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these [attacks] out.”

I would feel more comfortable if someone else concluded that. Someone not a Senator from either party, and someone not appointed by Obama to conclude anything.

Axe on August 28, 2013 at 9:20 PM

mnjg on August 28, 2013 at 9:06 PM

In the realm of world leaders, yes, Assad is a rational actor, he has much to lose playing stupid, has much to gain by playing wise. Pretty much the gist of the definition.

Assad has no calling to strap on an IED and walk into a market place, or behead the opposition personally on live TV. He enjoys his trips to Switzerland and Paris, likes fine cars, good brandy, and the company of cosmopolitan friends.

He likes being top dog in his country. Thrives on it.

Any member of al-Qaeda anywhere does not.

They are the least rational players of recent history. They will and have killed their own to achieve their goals. Blowing up innocents? Stock in trade for them.

A civil war erupted a few years ago…and not the first one in recent Syrian history either. Assad’s dad, for example, killed hundreds of thousands over the years to maintain his power over Syria, and his legitimacy as an important, vital ruler, in the region. And the rest of the world did what? So, young Assad using his military to crush opposition? Not sa big deal. Al Sisi is doing the same in Cairo tonight…and he is being applauded in his own country and a lot of other capitals as well across the globe. In Assad’s thinking, looks like what works for al-Sisi can work for him, given time, enough time. Sounds pretty rational to me.

And what did the world do after both Assad’s dad and young Assad slaughtered a bunch of Syrians in the recent past?

Nothing. A couple stern letters, a warning or two. Maybe Israel knocks out an air defense position somewhere. Not a big deal. The Russians would quickly rebuild or resupply as needed.

Rational actors. Syria and Russia, and a few other countries in the region.

Assad views preservation of Syria as self-preservation. So do the majority of the Ba’athists in Syria. So do a lot of the people on the street, for whatever self-seeking reasons that may have. Rational actors.

Now, Assad may not be the most hated dictator to ever walk the earth, but a lot of hated dictators were also very rational when it came to how they preserved themselves and their incomes, and benefits over the years.

Assad may indeed be an evil SOB, the world is full of them…from Kim in P’yongyang to Castro in Havana, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, the list is long.

Assad’s “friendship” with Iran is based on simplicity…Iran gives him money, and weapons, and has introduced him to North Korea, which also supplies Assad from time to time…and then there is the matter of Israel…if Hezbollah in Lebanon, paid for by Iran, through Syria, can keep the Israelis at bay, they are less likely to stir up trouble for Damascus. Rational actor.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend runs strong in the region. Has for centuries. Rational behavior.

Al Qaeda, on the other hand…just a bunch of religion-driven deadly thugs…terrorists…who terrorize their own as much as the terrorize the West, with no desire to start up statehood or any of the other trappings of rational actors on the world stage.

Very much the opposite.

Not very rational.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Have seen a few sketchy reports that the “intelligence intercept” about Assad and chemical weapons in Syria…that reporting came through liaison channels from the Israelis.

Not our own source or assets reporting.

Any confirmation out there?

Not like they had a dog in this fight and all.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 9:42 PM

What difference at this point does it make?

How does the use of chemical weapons by any party in Syria constitute a clear and present danger to the United States? Barack’s Presidency, on the other hand…..

Wendya on August 28, 2013 at 9:44 PM

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