Great news: Americans have advanced beyond needing President to address them, or something

posted at 5:31 pm on August 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

In previous administrations, Presidents who ordered the military into action would go on television from the Oval Office in prime time to explain the reasons why it was necessary to put our service members in harm’s way, lay out the goals of the operation and the path to victory, and perhaps suggest a timeline for its arrival.  George W. Bush actually gave two addresses on the Iraq invasion from the Oval Office — one as it launched in March 2003, and another in December 2005 to update Americans.  In contrast, Barack Obama gave some brief remarks in the middle of the day from the East Room before starting an intervention in Libya in 2011, and now the White House has rejected an Oval Office speech before attacking Syria … as “passé”:

With military action against Syria set to begin within hours, according to reports, President Barack Obama and his administration are determining what legal route to take in order to justify the attack. According to NBC News White House reporter Chuck Todd, the administration is leery of seeking Congressional support for a mission in Syria because Congress many decline to bless such an operation. Now, according to reports from POLITICO’s Glenn Thrush, Obama may seek to avoid the American people as well.

Thrush reported on Wednesday that, based on his conversations with aides to the president, Obama will not address the American people about the mission in Syria before hostilities commence. Thrush reports that Obama’s advisors believe addressing Americans from the gravity of the Oval Office or the East Room is “passé.” Furthermore, most Americans who care about the mission in Syria will learn the logic behind it from cable news.

It’s too old-fashioned, the Obama administration says:

In one sense, they maybe right, but I’d question that logic.  They’re right only in reference to those voters who immerse themselves in politics.  The White House is looking at this from too far inside the Beltway, and overestimating the reach of cable news.  Ratings for the cable-news networks have steadily declined after last year’s election, which means much less reach. The failure to use the bully pulpit to get around the cable networks and their opinion shapers is even more inexplicable considering the success Obama had last year in engaging low-information voters by going around hard-news media and talking directly to voters through the entertainment media, who offered few if any tough questions to the celebrity incumbent.

Presidents have no better tool than an Oval Office address to get voters to rally around them, and it’s curious that Obama has eschewed it in this case. Does the White House think Americans won’t notice that Obama has started a fresh new war front if they pretend it didn’t happen?  Perhaps so, but that’s an even bigger miscalculation, and a huge missed opportunity.  I’d expect this decision to change quickly.


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So, World War III will be tweeted?

SteveMG on August 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

In previous administrations, Presidents who ordered the military into action would go on television from the Oval Office in prime time to explain the reasons why it was necessary

Oh Ed, don’t you know that the land never had an emperor, until now?

The congress is his court.

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

That desk is more articulate and has a whole lot more morals than the freak clown show that sits behind it.

acyl72 on August 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

I think the teleprompter has finally refused to go along.

Flange on August 28, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Looser

TheGarbone on August 28, 2013 at 5:34 PM

The Teleprompter is on strike?

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Is Obama even in charge of the Presidency any more?
Are others running the country and Obama just appears for photos on vacation and parties?

albill on August 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I think the teleprompter has finally refused to go along.

Flange on August 28, 2013 at 5:34 PM

The Teleprompter is on strike?

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Missed it by that much…..

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

That desk is more articulate and has a whole lot more morals than the freak clown show that sits behind it.

acyl72 on August 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Well said.

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Barky isn’t actually president he just plays one on TV…..

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Leadership…Not.

LilyBart on August 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM

More leading from behind?

BTW…

I think the teleprompter has finally refused to go along.

Thread winner

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Of course, that’s why he broke into television programming to announce “he” got bin Laden.

nogooddeed on August 28, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Missed it by that much…..

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

It needed to be said twice.

Flange on August 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Part of the reason he’s not going on TV because he has no case and knows it. He also doesn’t feel the need to justify himself to the people because he is a King and the King has no need to justify any actions to his serfs and social inferiors.

Doomberg on August 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Wouldn’t it be swell to have a viable opposition party?

Mr. Arrogant on August 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM

His handlers do not want that video to exist.

kunegetikos on August 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Previous Presidents took war seriously.

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 5:44 PM

It’ll be interesting when Assad starts waving dead babies around as a result of our actions.

rbj on August 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Part of the reason he’s not going on TV because he has no case and knows it.

Doomberg on August 28, 2013 at 5:42 PM

How about, “100,000 dead, this is outrageous! I’m going to lob a few bombs”.

Biden and Kerry have already evidenced their faux outrage.

Honestly, I don’t know what’s going on in Syria. Maybe that’s why it would be good if the President went on TV and told us something. Start of a debate, perhaps. Isn’t that the typical prelude to going to war? Some kind of debate?

Paul-Cincy on August 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

IMo the reason is so Obama can once again deny responsibility for any and all actions and the GOPe idiots will not make him own it.

unseen on August 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

It’ll be interesting when Assad starts waving dead babies around as a result of our actions.

rbj on August 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Is the Iraqi hand-painted “Baby Milk Factory” cardboard sign still available?

Paul-Cincy on August 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Government of the people, by the people, for the people is passe.

-King Barry

torerodrizzle on August 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

who would have thought only 12 years since the towers fell and 3,000 + dead Americans and we would be helping the group responsible for dropping the towers instead of killing them wholesale. Really America?? is this is what we have become?

unseen on August 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Previous presidents good also through out the first pitch without looking like a sissy.

Deafdog on August 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Americans have advanced beyond needing President to address them

Uh, no – Americans simply aren’t interested in, and don’t trust, anything obama has to say, and can’t stand to hear him speak lie. When we have a REAL President again, Americans’ desire and need to be addressed by him/her will return.

Pork-Chop on August 28, 2013 at 5:53 PM

It’s partially the Limbaugh Theorem. Addressing the nation on an issue like this makes it look too much like he’s actually in charge and governing.

He also knows that the American people are about 90% opposed to any intervention in Syria – so pretty much Obama doesn’t have the courage to inform us what he’s doing.

And finally, Valerie Jarrett hasn’t decided what to do yet.

TarheelBen on August 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Zero must get congressional approval. The WPA does not authorize him to attack anyone without congressional approval. I posted the relevant section in the other thread.

He already broke the law in Libya. Biden and I agree that is an impeachable offense.

It’ll be interesting when Assad starts waving dead babies around as a result of our actions.

rbj on August 28, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Interesting as in the ancient curse?

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

The king is unaccountable to the peasantry.

vityas on August 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

To quote my mother in law. “WHY IS THE STUPID SOB WAGGING THE DOG!”(Primal scream, very impressive.) After that, she turns to me and says “I SHOULD STOP HIM.” Which, at that point, my wife and daughter and mother hustle her out for “shopping.” My mother in law is a big time lefty, and voted for Obama twice. I think we all know, that this will not end well.

flackcatcher on August 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Obama has the right idea to remain silent. Anything he says can and will be used against him in the court of public opinion. This way he can make it up as he goes along and pretend that’s what he meant to happen.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 5:57 PM

He is not going to say anything as he has nothing to say.
If our President cannot articulate EXACTLY why he is going to attack another country, then perhaps he should not do it.

Leadership has it’s responsibilities.

Jabberwock on August 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Obama wants to go to war and not want anybody to notice it.

Mark1971 on August 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

The Brits eventually had to hide away their King George III, too.

For similar reasons.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Obama…Coward

nuff said

workingclass artist on August 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Why listen to Barky when you’re yakking to your pals on your O’Phone, waddling around in the supermarket deciding what to buy on Food Stamps?

Get the real world, Ed. The Obama Society.

None of his core supporters give a rat’s azz about national security, and he knows it. Toss ‘em a bone, give them a benie (for better or worse), give them enough money to watch cable TV, and BO and his pals have a free ride.

The chips will fall as they may when he’s out of office, and he doesn’t care. He never did.

Cody1991 on August 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I bet if some news that makes him look good were to arise from this, we’ll find that addressing the nation is all of a sudden retro and cool.

Flange on August 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

And finally, Valerie Jarrett hasn’t decided what to do yet.

TarheelBen on August 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Thread winner!!!

catsandbooks on August 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

flackcatcher on August 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM

I was going to say your Mother in Law sounds like a fine woman, but then you said she voted for Obama. Since he’s can’t run again, I don’t think he cares. The next Democrat will just say all this interventionism is awful, evil Republicans, etc. The lefties will all fall in line.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM

And finally, Valerie Jarrett hasn’t decided what to do yet.

TarheelBen on August 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Operation Fredo is in final planning stages…

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Don’t mind me over here in the corner.

I’m just the taxpayer paying for all your billion-dollar psychology sessions, formerly known as “war.”

No need to consult me or anything. I’ll just write another check to pay for it, whatever it might be. Where do I sign?

Zombie on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Maybe someone could get Fauxcahontas to proclaim Barky “Bombing Peace Prize” ?

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Obama wants to go to war and not want anybody to notice it.

Mark1971 on August 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

And we won’t. We’ll be too busy watching…well, whatever useless bullcrap they’re playing on the television now.

squint on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

All Hail! Dear Leader! He’ll let us know what all us peons need to know….later.

d1carter on August 28, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Why address the people on such mundane matters as an attack on another country? He saves his public words for much more important matters, like Trayvon Martin’s killing.

TXUS on August 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

I wonder what Reggie Love will be doing during this strike..?

d1carter on August 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Previous presidents good also through out the first pitch without looking like a sissy.

Deafdog on August 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I’m guessing you meant to type “Previous presidents good could also through throw out the first pitch without looking like a sissy.”

/just trying to help

Paul-Cincy on August 28, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Operation Fredo is in final planning stages…

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

LMAO! Good one!

TXUS on August 28, 2013 at 6:10 PM

What’re we gonna do about it?

“Disapprove” of him more?

Not vote for him the next time around?

No one is willing to do the only efficacious alternatives — impeachment, 50-million-strong taxpayer strike, etc. — so we have no choice but to stop struggling and enjoy it.

Zombie on August 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM

If there’s any truth to the rumor Barky knows about as much about passé as Bawney Fwank.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I seem to remember the announcement of the death Bin Laden not too passe’ for television, no?

pencotron on August 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

The stuttering clusterfail has already told the enemy how long the war is to last. We’ll get it second hand, eventually.

Priorities. Traditional America has theirs, modern Democrat garbage have theirs.

MNHawk on August 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

To really prove his sincerity, O should melt down his Nobel Peace Prize and cast the metal into the casing for the first Hellfire missile fired at Syria.

Zombie on August 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

The Brits eventually had to hide away their King George III, too.

For similar reasons.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Well, there are many reasons to hide Barfy away. Porphyria sounds pretty ghastly, but there is NOTHING that will make the Dems hide their greatest disgrace. Not disease. Not mental incapability, no impeachable offenses for violating the Constitution (that’s only for white presidents)….

Those of us who live in the real world outside of DC and the “punditry class” understand what this is all about.

Cody1991 on August 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I wonder what Reggie Love will be doing during this strike..?

d1carter on August 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Bmore could show the Medina and other pictures…

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Operation Fredo is in final planning stages…

slickwillie2001 on August 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Yeah, that’s real funny!

dogsoldier on August 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The White House is looking at this from too far inside the Beltway, and overestimating the reach of cable news.

I think the White House wants as few people to know about this as possible. American people, that is; we’re not keeping this from the Syrians, by any means.

BKeyser on August 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM

With his erratic schedule, excessive vacays, and rare tv appearances I’m starting to wonder if Obama is just off chooming somewhere.

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Chief Munching Dog Rejects Oval Office Pow Wow. Peace Pipe Choomed.

News at ten.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Most importantly, it messes up his golf game and vacation schedule….

mouell on August 28, 2013 at 6:24 PM

He saves his public words for much more important matters, like Trayvon Martin’s killing.

TXUS on August 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

“If I bombed a country, it would look like Libya…” No wonder the TOTUS is on strike.

de rigueur on August 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

As Jeantel, one of Barky’s Familiars would say: “Presnitdential addresses are old skool, we is new skool.”

Bishop on August 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

The “Replace BS Filter” is flashing red on the teleprompter.

hillsoftx on August 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Democracy is “passé”?

myiq2xu on August 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Hey ! That’s we bees noo skoo’!

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

As Jeantel, one of Barky’s Familiars would say: “Presnitdential addresses are old skool, we is new skool.”

War is retarded, sir!

myiq2xu on August 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

If it wasn’t real, this would be hilarious.

I have a question for those across the political aisle. You know who you are, you opposed Bush’s Iraq invasion.

Was Syria involved in 9/11 and if not, why are you supporting Obama now?

Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

War is retarded, sir!

myiq2xu on August 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Perfect! Thanks for the laugh :)

Schadenfreude on August 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Arrogance is eating Obama alive. He believes he doesn’t need to address the American people regarding sending their loved ones and family members into harms way. Nor does he believe he needs to tell the American people why he’s expending resources paid for with American tax dollars on a war he hasn’t even bothered to justify or get clearance for from congress.

Obama bragged about ‘bypassing’ congress to get things done that HE deemed right and necessary. He saw nothing wrong in legislating from his desk and ruling this nation by his will alone.

Now he’s bypassing congress AND the American citizens to engage this nation in a war that over 80% of people in this nation don’t want this nation to pursue and he’s doing that by his will alone.

thatsafactjack on August 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Actually, maybe it’s a good idea Obama doesn’t address the nation. If he did, all he would do is praise himself for such fine work and how future generations will equate him with MLK.

Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I’m literally SMH. I can’t believe that even Andie the Obamanista, whose tweet was quoted above, is just another racist. Typical white woman! And on Let’s make MLK Trayvon into Jesus Day of all days! SMH

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Saint Trayvon wasn’t so much killed as he was a threat eliminated.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Maybe Obama is busily preparing remarks as to why the ONLY Black senator, Sen. Tim Scott, R.-S.C was not invited to the official MLK observances.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Obama wants to go to war and not want anybody to notice it.

Mark1971 on August 28, 2013 at 5:58 PM

I thought war was never the answer. Why are we not understanding them and their plight?

This time Cindy Sheehan will not be proudly displayed by the left.

Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Was Syria involved in 9/11 and if not, why are you supporting Obama now?
Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Why are we going to help the murderers who killed 3,000 Americans on 911???

txhsmom on August 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

What are all of Barky’s dupes gonna do with their “Coexist” bumper stickers now ???

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

THE KING NEEDS NO ONE’S “PERMISSION”!

GarandFan on August 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Loyal Sons of Obama strike yet again.

‘White B__ch’ Brutally Beaten in Pittsburgh

Ginger Slepski was driving through Pittsburgh’s North Side when a group of black teens threw things at her car. She got out and asked them “what is your problem?”

Then they proceeded to beat her senseless, calling her a “white b__ch” and other racial slurs. WPXI has the video and the story.

Of course, this was just another ‘isolated incident’ that in no way indicates any kind of a problem, let alone any kind of a pattern, and probably shouldn’t even be reported on by any lackey of Obama and the MSM … I mean any morally upright person.

VorDaj on August 28, 2013 at 6:41 PM

jarrett would not allow it

dmacleo on August 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

There’s no rational reason for the behavior of this administrate. They are simply a gaggle of out-of-control dolts who shoot from the hip and frequently shoot themselves in the feet.

rplat on August 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Does the White House think Americans won’t notice that Obama has started a fresh new war front if they pretend it didn’t happen?

with this lsm, yeah, they really think that…they’ve covered for him for the last 5 years for cripe sakes…

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I finally understand what Clint Eastwood was talking about.

rogaineguy on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Our Prez is lazy…and that’s news?

KirknBurker on August 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

well he just talked with the pbs chicks so he probably thinks he’s already addressed the public…why make another one?

cmsinaz on August 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM

What are all of Barky’s dupes gonna do with their “Coexist” bumper stickers now ???

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Democrat voters have long since given up making any connection between what they say and what they do. So they will continue as usual.

Fenris on August 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM

“What difference at this point does it make?”

~~~ Hillary Clinton

Yep, Hill, you have a point. You and your pals orchestrated this mess, and as usual, you will raid the piggy bank to toss more bones to the ignorant.

Want to be Pres? You really should think twice. Smart Dems wait for a Republican Conservative to clean up the last lib mess. By the time that happens you will be long gone.

But, hey! It doesn’t matter as long as you can keep running for your dreams. After all, what difference does it make? Assad was someone you could ‘work with’. Let Barfy bomb him while you have another headache.

Cody1991 on August 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM

There ain’t no chicks on PBS unless you count the hot Swedish one who used to do the cooking program.

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM

What are all of Barky’s dupes gonna do with their “Coexist” bumper stickers now ???

viking01 on August 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Cheer. Assad failed to coexist. He needs to be corrected.

Flange on August 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Barfy likes those drones and bombs.

They have that POUFFE factor,

So easy.

Leave the mess for someone else to clean up. His voters are busy on their O’Phones or like the media, kissing his a$$ and covering up.

Cody1991 on August 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM

How about, “100,000 dead, this is outrageous! I’m going to lob a few bombs”.

Biden and Kerry have already evidenced their faux outrage.

Paul-Cincy on August 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Over 80,000 have died just below our southern border and I don’t hear any outrage from this administration over that loss of life. I guess it’s OK, though, because the cartels don’t use nerve gas. /

jffree1 on August 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Arrogance is eating Obama alive.

That combined with his hubris, narcissism, and incompetence.

He wants to send a shot across the bow of Syria?

And then what? Will he ‘sink’ Assad’s Syria if it doesn’t stop? Of course not, all of this is about a symbol of action / leadership.

My concern with this Administration is that the primary goal behind their efforts to limit / avoid US casualties in the military planning process is not to limit the loss of life of our service members, but to protect the President from political risk and damage.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

This time Cindy Sheehan will not be proudly displayed by the left.

Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM

That’s because Cindy just announced she’s running for Jerry Moonbeam’s job as Governor of California.

Del Dolemonte on August 28, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I can recall a few countries in the past century wherein the people and the military had to swear alliegence to the Leader, rather than to the nation. (None of them ended up on top after the dust settled.)

Would not put it past this Barry guy to try to do the same…soon.

coldwarrior on August 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM

That’s because Cindy just announced she’s running for Jerry Moonbeam’s job as Governor of California.

She’s going to split the barking moonbat vote….

Athos on August 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

I wonder if O will take a cross country trip after the military strikes are launched to discuss them as he speaks to a bunch of high school kids about why Obamacare is ggggggrrrreat and why it’s OK to allow illegal immigrants to steal American jobs.

Oh, and don’t forget to donate $5.

William Teach on August 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Wow! Difficult to lay the wreath of ‘thread winner’, but/and there has already been mention of many.

He stinks, pu, like that, to high heaven. He isn’t even ‘articulate’. Bet he doesn’t even know what that means.

A more pure mockery of MLK, there’ll never be.

These are the ‘masterminds’. FU and that silly hog you rode in on, dufus.
That’s not b*nnable, right?

Read, listen to some of MLK, as was Rush, today. Breathtaking.

Chump is pale by comparison.

mickytx on August 28, 2013 at 7:26 PM

If WWIII breaks out with nothing but a bland statement from Jay Carney (and nobody does bland better)……. there will be hell to pay in public opinion. Even the media will not be able to save the thin-skinned rat.

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Preezy doesn’t have the time/courage to make his points to the American people on television, BUT his Facebook page is riddled with threats from Syria.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2013/aug/27/madison-syrians-vow-burn-americas-skies-obamas-fac/

onlineanalyst on August 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Actually, maybe it’s a good idea Obama doesn’t address the nation. If he did, all he would do is praise himself for such fine work and how future generations will equate him with MLK.

Kingfisher on August 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

You’ve got a point but when Syria manages to destroy a Naval warship with significant loss of life, it would seem to me that he’d fare better if he had bothered to address the nation as to why they were there in the first place.

But frankly, making the case for doing anything in Syria is hard. Why bombing the crap out of this country for humanitarian reasons when we’ve ignored many more dire humanitarian crises (Darfur anyone)? Making a coherent case would be tough for a President with credibility. For a lazy stupid thin-skinned rat it would be an enormous task. His intellect stops at screaming “because it is the right thing to do” at any reporter that dares question him instead of simply gush over his “brilliance.”

Happy Nomad on August 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM

at 7:45 PM

Imbecile comes to mind HN, for the description. Oh, he is. Preezy has always been thus.
No amount of pontificating will ever change that. Sucks to be you Obama. Learn it. Pfft.

I haven’t mentioned ‘loathe’ yet today, so there’s that.

mickytx on August 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

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