Egypt’s Islamists cry “uncle”

posted at 11:21 am on August 27, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

Say what you will about the military crackdown and call it what you wish, but it is apparently been more than enough for Egypt’s Islamist extremists.  They’re offering a truce to Egypt’s military:

Two of Egypt’s former militant groups are offering an initiative to halt the country’s political violence, in which supporters of the ousted Islamist president will stop street protests if the military-backed government stops its crackdown on them, the groups’ leaders said Monday.

The initiative led by Egypt’s Gamaa Islamiya and Islamic Jihad movements, which waged an insurgency in the 1990s, aims to bring dialogue between the military and the Muslim Brotherhood, from which toppled President Mohammed Morsi hails. Morsi was overthrown by the military on July 3 after millions took to the street demanding that he step down.

Morsi’s allies had previously insisted that he be restored to power as starting point for any talks, butIslamic Jihad leader Mohammed Abu Samra told The Associated Press that negotiations had no “red lines.”

The groups do not speak for the Brotherhood, but the initiative is a new sign of flexibility from the pro-Morsi alliance of mostly Islamist groups. It comes as the Islamists’ protest campaign wanes and numbers at their formerly massive rallies dwindle. Hundreds of Brotherhood leaders and organizers have been arrested in the crackdown.

Said another way, the Islamist coalition is beginning to show some cracks in its facade.   Of course it may also be a means of pausing and regrouping.  However, as pointed out yesterday, the Islamists have seen their side’s popularity slide badly as the violence has continued.  While this isn’t necessarily a sign that it’s allies are throwing the Muslim Brotherhood under the bus, it has to be interpreted that their solidarity is wavering.

“We are paving the way for talks,” Abu Samra said over the phone. “We can’t hold talks while we are at the points of swords in the midst of killings and crackdowns.” He said the groups were “extending their hands” to avoid a bloodier confrontation with the military.

He said that the Islamists will stop demonstrations so long as the military halts its crackdown and stops defaming the Brotherhood in mosques and in the media. Asked if Islamist groups would accept talks without demanding Morsi’s reinstatement, he said, “Blood is more valuable than the seat of power.”

The last statement is a pretty significant indication of the coalition’s internal disagreement.

The Brotherhood too has apparently reached out to the military.  But it appears the military may take a hard line with them:

Top Muslim Brotherhood negotiator Amr Darrag said that the group is open for talks but after “confidence-building measures.” However, he added, “the other side didn’t show a single gesture or any sign that it is ready for dialogue. It only talks about it but no action.”

Time will tell how this works out for Egypt, but at the moment it appears the military has the support of a majority of the public, has an opposition that is fracturing and may have the Muslim Brotherhood on the ropes.  Do they let them recover or do they attempt to finish them off?

~McQ

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This can only mean one thing: it’s time for a bailout.

Cylor on August 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM

It reminds me of what the head terrorist told Chuck Norris when Delta Force began to move in:

We wish to negotiate!

myiq2xu on August 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM

They’re losing, so now they want a “truce.”

HB3 on August 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Said another way, the Islamist coalition is beginning to show some cracks in its facade. Of course it may also be a means of pausing and regrouping.

It’s the latter. Feign more flexibilty to get the camel’s nose under the tent. There is no question that Egypt needs to get tourism back on track. There is no question that the violence is detrimental to both sides. But the Islamists have already pretty much decimated Christians in Egypt. They’ve destroyed churches. They have time now to pretend to be working with the government until the opportunity to, once again, push for turning Egypt into an Islamist protectorate where Jews and Christians will be destroyed.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I say beat them ’til they cry and then beat them for crying. Course I say the same thing about Boehner and it seems to have the opposite effect.

DanMan on August 27, 2013 at 11:29 AM

That is how you deal with them. Not overbearing ROEs and rebuilding their own bases for them.

mythicknight on August 27, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Hudna…that is all this is…nothing less…give the Islamists time to lick their wounds, reorganize, and then go at it again…we’ve seen it elsewhere, often. Never works out well except for the Islamists.

The Marquess of Queensberry rules need not apply. Seriously how dumb can some people be?

Honestly.

Kick them while they are down, bring it on in droves, extirpate them all…only then can they can talk about a “truce” if there are any able to do so.

Not a minute before.

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Muslims all lie. It is part of their core values. The offer to negotiate is solely to buy time and move pieces around.

Flange on August 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM

“Two of Egypt’s former militant groups are offering an initiative to halt the country’s political violence, in which supporters of the ousted Islamist president will stop street protests if the military-backed government stops its crackdown on them…”

Um…how would the govt crackdown on protests that weren’t happening?

Muslims are insane.

Meremortal on August 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The Conan the Barbarian take on things:

What is best in life?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 27, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Tell them they have to convert to secularism/athiesm or die. Make them an offer they themselves would make. And if they convert, just send them back out amongst their brethren as “infidels”. Either way, the problem is resolved.

RSbrewer on August 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Finish them off!

tomshup on August 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Finish them off. The Muslim Brotherhood can never be trusted. Ever.

RebeccaH on August 27, 2013 at 11:39 AM

That is excellent news… Historically the muslim brotherhood in Egypt have always been a bunch of cowards…. So nothing new under the sun…

mnjg on August 27, 2013 at 11:41 AM

It reminds me of what the head terrorist told Chuck Norris when Delta Force began to move in:

“We wish to negotiate!“

myiq2xu on August 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Ha ha, yes, almost as good as when Lee Marvin says “take’em down” :-)

yubley on August 27, 2013 at 11:43 AM

They should cry “obama”, not uncle.

Schadenfreude on August 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM

The Muslim Brotherhood has many friends in the White House.

albill on August 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Top Muslim Brotherhood negotiator Amr Darrag said that the group is open for talks but after “confidence-building measures.”

HAHAHAHAHA!!! They sure do need to build some confidence after what has happened! From ‘hero’ to zero.

Good luck with that, douches!

Patriot Vet on August 27, 2013 at 11:47 AM

They’re losing, so now they want a “truce.”

HB3 on August 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Standard tactic number 4. Call for a truce to gain time to rally and regroup.

dogsoldier on August 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Islamists: “Time out while I think up better ways to cut your throat”

Limerick on August 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM

The Military has been the glue in Egypt for many many years! You can go back as far a Sadat and the military is the only sane party in Egypt.
The Brotherhood should get nothing. They should be told to vacate the square and NEVER set up there again. They should be told to let Egyptians live in total peace if they want to survive at all in Egypt!
They Military should place it’s boot firmly on the Brotherhood’s neck!
They cannot defeat the Military because the Military is not a radical force.

Delsa on August 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM

That is how you deal with them. Not overbearing ROEs and rebuilding their own bases for them.

That is how most of us would deal with them. Barry and the Left on the other hand prefer the most overbearing ROEs our DoD legal minds can devise so our military doesn’t get to comfortable in making killing and destroying too easy.

Rebuilding their own bases for them helps us feel better about showing how compassionate and caring we can be to our opponents, hoping to win friends and influence people so we don’t have to kill them and blow up their stuff again.

hawkeye54 on August 27, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Islamists: “Time out while I think up better ways to cut your throat”

Limerick on August 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Isn’t that always the case when they are taking a beating.

Never let up until they give up. Completely. Unconditionally.

hawkeye54 on August 27, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Morsi should commit suicide in his cell. I hope he has plenty of belts and shoelaces.

slickwillie2001 on August 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Yep. Hudna.

When Islamists beg for a truce, they’re desperate, and the truce is strictly to regroup and re-arm.

Finish them while you can.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 12:27 PM

They have an Uncle named “Taqiyya”?

CapnObvious on August 27, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Hudna.

bofh on August 27, 2013 at 12:38 PM

“We’ll stop demonstrating if you’ll stop cracking down on our demonstrating.” Wouldn’t the first automatically bring about the second?

These people are insane.

Meremortal on August 27, 2013 at 12:40 PM

The Brotherhood summed up their predicament in two words:

Sequester Cuts.

This is a very positive sign and Sissi is way too smart to let them wiggle off the hook. The more I see Sissi, the more I think he has the potential to be the best Middle Eastern (defacto) ruler since King Hussein.

Kaisersoze on August 27, 2013 at 12:41 PM

“Ride right through them, they’re demoralized as hell”!

geojed on August 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM

The Egypt military knows the MB to well. It will be an unconditional surrender of all weapons or else. It will not be like Israel and the PLO.

shick on August 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Time will tell how this works out for Egypt, but at the moment it appears the military has the support of a majority of the public, has an opposition that is fracturing and may have the Muslim Brotherhood on the ropes. Do they let them recover or do they attempt to finish them off?

If you are asking “Should they” the answer is “finish them off”.
If you are asking “Will they” the answer remains to be seen.

AesopFan on August 27, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Take it to them under the black flag.

Mason on August 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The only kind of Negotiation islamists understand.

MichaelGabriel on August 27, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Do they let them recover or do they attempt to finish them off?

Finish them off!

Vince on August 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I think a nice “confidence-building measure” would be the sight of an Islamist leader hanging from every lightpost surrounding Tahir Square. Call it sending a message.

Tom Servo on August 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM

My opinion: this is just a Hudna until the Ikhwan receive the flood of new Muj AKA “freedom fighters” from a crippled Syria. Western intervention coming quickly after Assad is “proved” to have used Gas just when international inspectors arrive – wow! amazing coincidence eh?

Saudi Arabia has just offerred oil and guaranteed access to Russia’s Syrian port after the Muj take over which seems to be the excuse Russia need to get out of the way.

AQ take over Syria and then move to Egypt to get a REAL civil war under way.

Liam1304 on August 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Nice work there by the Egyptian military. I hope they finish the job.

GoodAg77 on August 27, 2013 at 3:27 PM

AQ take over Syria and then move to Egypt to get a REAL civil war under way.

With the military aid of the West after the discovery of some atrocity or other. After all, Mursi is the “democratically elected” leader, chosen by the will of the People and the Army are always the bad guys – except when they aren’t as in the case of Turkey having 4 coups between 1964 & 1997 to remove Islamist elements and restore secular government. Apparently no-one sees the correspondence with Egypt…

Liam1304 on August 27, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Finish them off. It’s about time the Muslims purged their own lunatic fringe.

John the Libertarian on August 27, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Kick them bad while they’re down. It’s the only treatment fanatic Islamists respond well to.

jimver on August 27, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Having come this far, I don’t think the Egyptian military will want to have to do it again. They paid a price to do what they possibly thought was a difficult but neccessary action to take. If they quit part-way, they lose credibility with their personel, the general Egyptian public, and probably with the Muslim Brotherhood (which can now see that moving too fast with its agenda can result in major pushback — so they may be learning how to try to out-maneuver the military politically).

So now the military is faced with another difficult decision, do they take the action of these two groups as indicative or representative of how the Muslim Brotherhood is thinking or do they press onward possibly grinding many more people into dust and certainly gaining more animosity with fundamentalist muslims but perhaps showing fundamentalist-leaning muslims that their attempt to impose a religious government was not going to be allowed.

At this point, they have to guess which might be true or would produce a better result.

Russ808 on August 27, 2013 at 7:51 PM

A truce should be conditional on them accepting that the state is not a religious entity and that they must practice religious tolerance, otherwise continue to be treated as an illegal organization.

virgo on August 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM