Axelrod: Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama just like they did Clinton

posted at 8:41 am on August 27, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Yes, because that’s what it’s always about, everybody: These trifling conservatives’ personal contempt for a particular Democrat and their deep-seated desire to undermine him, and rarely-to-never about sincere qualms in matters of policy or the lawful administration thereof. So suggested David Axelrod, anyway, during an MSNBC segment bizarrely entitled “Impeachment Fever” — although, as Andrew Stiles noted at NRO, the grand total of Republican impeachment-mentions inciting this particular outrageous outrage from the MSNBC crowd comes to… four.

I think a lot of this emanates from the nature of the Republican base, and a lot of these guys are throwing red meat to the base. … You mentioned Speaker Boehner, the real question is the Republican leadership going to tolerate that? Boehner has yet to really stand up to these folks, and this is something that really deserves to be repudiated and you’d hope he would. One thing I would say though, Chris, delegitimization of presidents is something that we’ve seen now. It happened under the Clinton administration. We all remember how vituperative those times were and there were people on the left who aimed some of that at George W. Bush. Now, admittedly, it’s spun out of control now, because these folks are in control of the Republican party. So it’s at a fevered pitch now.


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The only BS artist better than King Barry is Axelturf.

GarandFan on August 27, 2013 at 8:44 AM

How many times did Henry B. Gonzalez (D-Tx) introduce impeachment bills on Reagan and Poppy Bush?

myiq2xu on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

WALOC!!

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Wasn’t Matthews talking “deligitimization” a few days ago.

Must be in the JournoList projection talking points for the week.

forest on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Clinton wasn’t delegitimized. He was impeached. And it was by his actions not the Republicans.

DAT60A3 on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

This is an election strategy. Democrats are trying to recreate 1998. They want Obama to be impeached, although Obama might disagree. Even if he isn’t convicted it becomes part of his legacy.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

It happened under the Clinton administration. We all remember how vituperative those times were and there were people on the left who aimed some of that at George W. Bush.

“Some people on the left”. LOL. You lib creeps set out to dehumanize George Bush thew moment he was declared the winner over Gore. These cretins deal in nothing but personal destruction and then whine when the tactic is turned on them.

ddrintn on August 27, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Delegitimize Obama? I think he’s doing a bangup job of that all on his own. He doesn’t even act like a President. He seems far more preoccupied with enjoying himself and passing the buck than actually fixing what ails this nation.

And don’t give any sob stories about Clinton. If you want to seem legit, try not getting a BJ from a 20-something intern in the Oval Office.

Doughboy on August 27, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Axelturd whining on TV again? Get out!

Red Cloud on August 27, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Obama has delegitimized himself.

Key West Reader on August 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Truly confident, capable presidents don’t send out their toadies to whine about criticism.

Bat Chain Puller on August 27, 2013 at 8:53 AM

This is an election strategy. Democrats are trying to recreate 1998. They want Obama to be impeached, although Obama might disagree. Even if he isn’t convicted it becomes part of his legacy.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

If that’s their strategery for 2014(not saying it is, but I’ll play along), then they’re in deep doodoo. The GOP leadership will never go anywhere near that barring something devastating emerging about Benghazi or the IRS scandal.

Doughboy on August 27, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Aimed “some” @W?
Puhleeze

Its like 8 years never happened

cmsinaz on August 27, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Didn’t Clinton commit perjury before a grand jury?

Don’t think that really helped his legitimacy overall, Dave, but your mileage may vary.

After all, this is the crime syndicate known as the Democrat Party we’re talking about. Perjury is practically currency in that realm.

Good Lt on August 27, 2013 at 8:55 AM

If that’s their strategery for 2014(not saying it is, but I’ll play along), then they’re in deep doodoo. The GOP leadership will never go anywhere near that barring something devastating emerging about Benghazi or the IRS scandal.

Doughboy on August 27, 2013 at 8:53 AM

I doubt they believe they will be so lucky, but they want Americans to believe a popular president is under attack by ebil Rethuglicans. Over the next year it will be the left that talks about impeachment more than the right.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:56 AM

These idiots still show disrespect to W by having pics of themselves giving the finger to W’s portrait at the WH for cripe sakes

cmsinaz on August 27, 2013 at 8:57 AM

during an MSNBC segment bizarrely entitled “Impeachment Fever”

And I’ve heard Democrats in Congress talking about impeaching Reagan and both Bushes. Juvenile.

rbj on August 27, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Dave, go away.

Freeloader on August 27, 2013 at 8:59 AM

First, Obama needs to be impeached. There are plenty of Constitutional grounds for doing so. The problem is not talk of impeachment. The problem is the lack of will on the right for impeachment.

Second, this continual notion that the far right is in control of the Republican Party is laughable. Did the far right pick Mitt Romney? John Boehner? Mitch McConnell? Eric Cantor? Name one thing — one thing — that John Boehner has done, in his entire time as speaker, that has been done the way the tea party would have liked him to.

Third, the absolute arrogance of saying it is the job of people in Congress to “stand up to” their constituents is infuriating. It is not the job of members of Congress to tell us how things are going to be. They are our elected representatives. Their job is to listen to us.

Shump on August 27, 2013 at 9:01 AM

OT: Amanda Knox wisely decides not to go back to Italy for her”trail”. That prosecutor makes Nifong look like a law and order by the book type. Look what he did on his last big case and ask yourself would you put your life in his hands?

http://www.vashonloop.com/article/monster-florence-claims-new-victims

warren on August 27, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Second, this continual notion that the far right is in control of the Republican Party is laughable.

Shump on August 27, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The truth is not important, only the narrative matters. If Juan Miguel Huntsman had won the Republican nomination he would have been portrayed as the next Barry Goldwater by the media and Democrats.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM

David Axelrod is hoping to bring you Mini Me from MA as a candidate to run against Mrs. Clinton. I think he is actually running down the Clinton’s with this comment. “Remember how bad it was…?”

This running down Obama theme is what they need to energize the low info voter base who vote based on identity politics, and I am afraid it sounds like a racial call…running your guy down because he is “insert identity group here.”

Those people might like Duval Patrick as national sugar daddy or national identity group figure head, he is not a bad guy, but he doesn’t do anything except let things go and get worse, and while he likes money more than president Obama does, he doesn’t really work, he presides, and he vacations…we hope it is on his own dime, but don’t have the facts…could be a junket.

Fleuries on August 27, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Let this sink in……….


No matter how bad Obama is, the gop leadership is consistently worse.

We expect Obama to be a Socialist God King wannabe. Duh, he advertised it just days before the Nov 2008 election with his “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. “He’s being true to what his governing philosophy is.

The gop leadership on the other hand?…..They act like limited government Conservatives but they play golf with, back slap a plenty, and party on for giant government and then whine that they can’t do anything about it. They are complete frauds.

I applaud the Democrats for being consistent, effective and wiser than 95% of the republican leadership. I wish we could emulate the success of Axelrod, Jarrett, and own the media like they do. Alas it’s not 1984 and we don’t have Reagan, Deaver and Meese that can go over the heads of the Cronkites of the day.

PappyD61 on August 27, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Axelrod: Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama just like they did Clinton

Just like the Dems did with Reagan, Bush and Bush.

Everyone does it, but it’s not like Obama is making it hard to delegitimize him. His everyday incompetence, his pathological lying, his willful violations of the Constitution, his whimsical disregard for the law, and his obstruction of justice, not to mention other sundry criminal acts, make for easy pickings in doing so.

I do appreciate Matthews and Axelrod legitimizing this nascent effort by deigning to discuss the possibility it’s worth further discussion and hope they will continue to ignore the standard rules of leftist propaganda by using the words of their opponents and engage our arguments on our terms. Thanks for the help.

Dusty on August 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Axeldork challenging Boehner to stand up to the right wing of his party,just too good. Do we have a new Rove?

rodguy911 on August 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Whenever folks start to notice that this government is corrupt, incompetent and ineffectual, it’s nice to have David Axelrood and tingles to change the topic of conversation.

It’s also nice to have someone to bomb….thanks, Syria.

Deafdog on August 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM

PappyD61 on August 27, 2013 at 9:06 AM

we passed the classical definition of socialist a long time ago, on our way to communism.

RonK on August 27, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Axelrod: Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama

No sweetheart, your rat-eared bastard is delegitimizing himself. I guess it is time to bomb the crap out of something so that he can look “Presidential.”

Speaking of which, they are framing a possible military attack on Syria as the most decisive moment in Obama’s presidency. I thought that happened back when he dithered for six months over a surge in Afghanistan (which he only approved after a bogus photo-op where he used war dead as props and a speech at West Point where MSNBC called the Army an enemy to Obama). I would argue that a President deciding to send American troops into harm’s way is far more decisive than contemplating an air-only attack on Syria. But, of course, they need something to deflect from the current failures, scandals, and incompetence.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I doubt they believe they will be so lucky, but they want Americans to believe a popular president is under attack by ebil Rethuglicans. Over the next year it will be the left that talks about impeachment more than the right.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:56 AM

If the Dems do that, I think it’ll have a lot more to do with them trying to provide cover for Obama issuing all sorts of unconstitutional executive orders circumventing Congress. Cuz the closer we get to the midterms, the less likely it is that anything significant gets done legislatively.

Doughboy on August 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Dang! I wish this were true. Impeach the SOB, NOW. But alas this will just make the Republicans even more frightened of their own shadows and completely take any starch they ever had in actually following the law and the Constitution and doing the right thing. Republicans have no fight in them. They never did. Dems have had their number since Roosevelt. Only Ronaldus Magnus knew what to do and what to say.

BetseyRoss on August 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM

One thing I would say though, Chris, delegitimization of presidents is something that we’ve seen now. It happened under the Clinton administration.

Because “delegitimizing” interns was so outside the mainstream of normal liberal thought, right Mr. Axelrod? “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” as the moron shook his finger at the entire nation. And we don’t forget his dear wife claiming it was all “a right-wing conspiracy”—talk about “legitimate” denial of realities.

Rovin on August 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM

I can’t believe that Axelrod looks more like a child molester without his mustache than with it.

Flange on August 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Wasn’t Matthews talking “deligitimization” a few days ago.

Must be in the JournoList projection talking points for the week.

forest on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

It’s leading up to the speech for the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington. The narrative: Whatever progress for blacks has happened in the last century was encapsulated in a black man winning the Presidency. And now those evil Republicans are so hate-filled that a black is actually in power…. all that matters is discrediting all the “progress” he has managed to accomplish on behalf of the blacks, gays, illegals, and really stupid women.

This is why I disagree with HA’s editorial decision to not talk about race-related issues. It is cowardly and ignorant at a time when race relations are probably at their lowest point since the March on Washington. And it all came in the last eight years and the divisivness of this president.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Leftists are experts at preemptively pointing fingers.

MarkT on August 27, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Does Reggie have a blue dress?

mudskipper on August 27, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Axelrod: Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama just like they did Clinton

That can’t be right. Clinton isn’t black. All opposition to Obama is racist in nature.

Chris of Rights on August 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM

From a Pres. who could never legitimately provide a birth certificate nor a college transcript…seems fitting to me..

hillsoftx on August 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I doubt they believe they will be so lucky, but they want Americans to believe a popular president is under attack by ebil Rethuglicans. Over the next year it will be the left that talks about impeachment more than the right.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Yep — Since Harry Reid controls the Senate at least until 1/1/15, there’s not even the drama of possible conviction to talk about here, as there was in 1998 when the GOP ran the House and Senate. It’s a total waste of time for Republicans to talk about it, but the Democrats have fantasies that they can gin up mid-term turnout among the same people who showed up at the polls in 2008 and 2012 — but didn’t in 2010 — if they can convince them Obama’s going to be thrown out of office if they don’t turn out.

jon1979 on August 27, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Cuz the closer we get to the midterms, the less likely it is that anything significant gets done legislatively.

Doughboy on August 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Face it. Congress gets back in a couple weeks. The fall is going to be filled with the budget battles and raising the debt ceiling These will probably be prolonged events. Obamacare exchanges go online. There will also be some discussion over the various scandals that are ever-growing with each new disclosure exposes yet another lie by the administration.

Then comes the holidays and another recess.

Then in January comes full implementation of Obamacare (or that portion of which has not been illegally delayed by executive order).

By next spring, Congress will be fully engaged in Campaign 2014 and little will be done legislatively.

So, bottom line, these accusations of racism are merely trying to soften the ground against any dissent in the upcoming months. There will be much to oppose and criticize so we see a pre-emptive declaration that any dissent against the filthy rat-eared coward is blatant racism. If you are against Obamacare you must be a racist. If you are against amnesty for the illegals you must be a double racist. If you are against legitimizing same-sex marriage as the same as real marriage you must be a racist. Etc.

These criminals are at the end of their playbook and all they have left is to call any opposition- racism.

Happy Nomad on August 27, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I can’t help but laugh at their twisted logic (‘Tingles’ and Axelrod)…they remind me of ‘Capitalist Hog (Swine)’ who posts on this blog. They are nothing but a constant source of entertainment for me.

Cherokee on August 27, 2013 at 9:27 AM

How many times did Henry B. Gonzalez (D-Tx) introduce impeachment bills on Reagan and Poppy Bush?

myiq2xu on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

How many?

VibrioCocci on August 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I can’t believe that Axelrod looks more like a child molester without his mustache than with it.

Flange on August 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM

What do your mean, ‘…looks like one?’ I hear he and Reid scope the same playgrounds.

Thomas More on August 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM

At least they considered him legitimate. The Dems never gave W that courtesy.

RSbrewer on August 27, 2013 at 9:40 AM

What do your mean, ‘…looks like one?’ I hear he and Reid scope the same playgrounds.

Thomas More on August 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM

His Reid-like playground searches happen with or without the ‘stache. I’m just saying that without the ‘stache he really looks the part, where as before he just looked kind of like a sexual predator.

Flange on August 27, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Axelrod is merely making the argument that Republicans are racist, by definition, which you so often hear from the left.

This from one of the premier hacks in the party founded explicitly to defend slavery, the party that broke the Union apart in a desperate effort to preserve slavery, created and defended Jim Crow laws all over the south and who fought equal voting opportunity for decades, hated the civil rights movement to the point of electing KKK members locally and state-wide for generations. It wasn’t the GOP that kept returning Robert Byrd to the Senate, after all.

People are gullible, said PT Barnum 150 years ago. Putting a scumbag like Axelrod on Matthews show to argue day is night proves only one thing: People are still gullible.

MTF on August 27, 2013 at 9:48 AM

How many times did Henry B. Gonzalez (D-Tx) introduce impeachment bills on Reagan and Poppy Bush?

myiq2xu on August 27, 2013 at 8:47 AM

How many?

VibrioCocci on August 27, 2013 at 9:35 AM

wiki sez:

On March 6, 1987 Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez, Democrat of Texas, introduced articles of impeachment against President Ronald Reagan regarding the Iran Contra affair, leading to the joint hearings that dominated the summer. A special prosecutor was appointed.

On January 16, 1991, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez introduced H. Res. 34, to impeach President George H. W. Bush for starting the Gulf War. The resolution was referred to the Judiciary Committee, where it died. Gonzalez tried again with H. Res. 86 on February 21. Both bills were referred to the Subcommittee on Economic and Commercial Law March 18, 1992, where the effort died.

And wiki also tells us:

González also blocked hearings into Whitewater until finally agreeing to hold hearings in 1994.

Del Dolemonte on August 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM

well. Bill was the first Black president.

socalcon on August 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Could it be that Obama has delegitimized himself? A$$sholerod could make a much better case for that.

The Buck Stops Here in Obama’s lexicon only refers to the color of his skin. Now heap it on me libtardordie and urbandolt and the rest of you racist trolls just what a racist statement I just made.

NOMOBO on August 27, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Sounds like the Gate guard for the Emerald City.

socalcon on August 27, 2013 at 9:54 AM

I say we should delegitimize Axelrod. In fact Does he have a public job on the national level? Stop quoting him, you morons!

Old Country Boy on August 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Thanks. I didn’t know if someone had more reliable info besides Wiki.

VibrioCocci on August 27, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Barack Obama doesn’t need our help to “delegitimize” himself. He does just fine on his own. The guy had no qualifications to begin with and has been INCOMPETENT from Day One. No surprise there.

Murf76 on August 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM

DElegitimize? Excuse me, Mr. Axlerod, but I’m still waiting for him to be LEGITIMIZED.

He’s a third rate junior senator from Chicago who never accomplished ANYTHING warranting him being granted the political power he now has and we were never allowed to adequately assess him or his qualifications for that office. We were never told WHY we should prefer him; we were just told THAT we should.

Cleombrotus on August 27, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Chris Matthews and Axlerod, to white democrat NAZI’s straight up.

Murphy9 on August 27, 2013 at 10:30 AM

*two…

Murphy9 on August 27, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Axelrod would never sign off on deligitimizing a politician who didn’t have a Down syndrome child.

cbenoistd on August 27, 2013 at 10:34 AM

So it’s at a fevered pitch now

…and we got the fevaaahhh!!

right2bright on August 27, 2013 at 10:42 AM

You know every one of us sit and listen to Chris get all worked up, and we all know what is coming down his leg…

right2bright on August 27, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Oddly enough, when Axelrod says that the Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama like they did Clinton, he’s implying that the Republicans are not racist against Obama.

After all, if the Republicans impeached the last white Democratic president, but they haven’t impeached the current black Democratic president, then they aren’t treating Obama less badly than they treated Clinton.

And even if the Republicans do impeach Obama, all that would mean is that they are treating him just as harshly as they treated Clinton, not worse.

J.S.K. on August 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I like how they wanted to try Bush for war crimes, and Clinton actually had an impeachment hearing, but NOW it’s reached a fever pitch.

The Schaef on August 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Axelrod: Republicans are trying to delegitimize Obama just like they did Clinton

Obama doesn’t need any help from Republicans

Axelrod would never sign off on deligitimizing a politician who didn’t have a Down syndrome child.

cbenoistd on August 27, 2013 at 10:34 AM

The hypocrisy is breathtaking isn’t it?

cajunpatriot on August 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Boehner has yet to really stand up to these folks

I am sick and tired of that word! Why does anyone associated with The One always have to use it!

I know, it makes Jugears and his ilk sound so down to earth and personable….jeez!/

He could have easily said, “stand up to his base”, “stand up to those pushing this idea”, or, he could have said, “Boehner has yet to denounce this idea”.

FIND A NEW WORD!

Patriot Vet on August 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM

there were people on the left who aimed some of that at George W. Bush

Yeah, like VP Biden.

Presidential hopeful Delaware Sen. Joe Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval.

I wonder if Obama and Biden have talked this one out?

Patriot Vet on August 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM

O/T but near.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/082613-668788-irs-is-targeting-the-american-legion.htm

docflash on August 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM

From the article:

We are aware that some individuals, including some politicians, have invented or embellished their service records. But what the IRS is suggesting here is that American Legion posts, as organizations, may be enjoying tax-exempt status under false pretenses.

I guess John Kerry got caught signing up for his local post.
Projection, much?
Or just additional targeting of conservatives?

AesopFan on August 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM

A president that stole the last presidential election should be delegitimized.

slickwillie2001 on August 27, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Axelturd, aka Adolf, tend to your own family. Lord knows you need to.

Schadenfreude on August 27, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Presidential hopeful Delaware Sen. Joe Biden stated unequivocally that he will move to impeach President Bush if he bombs Iran without first gaining congressional approval.

I wonder if Obama and Biden have talked this one out?

Patriot Vet on August 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Not a problem there. Biden just said he would try to impeach Bush if he bombed Iran without Congress’s approval. He didn’t say anything about Syria or Libya.

J.S.K. on August 27, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I still basking in the Democrat love for Bush 43, it was truly something to behold!

RJL on August 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM