Should conservatives resist the race tu quoque?

posted at 7:21 pm on August 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

So says Breitbart editor Joel Pollak, a good friend of mine, who revealed yesterday that his site intentionally steered clear of the race discussion relating to recent crimes in Oklahoma and Spokane. While a good discussion of media malpractice is always welcome, the urge in using specific and unrelated cases usually leads people to take the arguments too far — a practice of the Left that Pollak would rather avoid (via Ace):

It is becoming harder for some conservative journalists to resist the tit-for-tat arguments when Sharpton et al. continue to pretend the Martin case was about race when everyone involved, including the prosecution, said that it was not. Even the Martin family, given the opportunity (before the verdict) to comment on the fact that there were no black jurors, said that they placed their faith in their fellow citizens and the judicial process. The fact that the racial argument has survived the trial and the facts is both sad and frustrating.

So the temptation to report the race of alleged perpetrators when the roles are reversed is now stronger than it was before–too strong for some conservative sites in the Christopher Lane murder, which reported initially (and inaccurately) that all three assailants were black. Yes, there is a crime problem in the black community. Yes, there is an failure among black leaders, from Obama on down, to do anything about it. That story doesn’t need new white victims to make it potent. This is a game without winners. I’d rather not play.

I spoke about this on my show this morning, in the final segment of the second hour.  There are some issues that the Lane and Benton murders may have in common, mainly bored teenagers with little supervision and no engagement in core values — but those issues are not limited to any one community, nor are two incidents involving five teenagers a particularly good look at teens as a whole or an indication of broad cultural decline.

Last week, for instance, I wrote about the story of DHS manager Ayo Kimathi, who runs a website warning fellow African-Americans of a coming race war, complete with enemies list — including President Obama.  The issue isn’t that DHS hired a racist, nor does one staffing decision indicate a broad problem with race in America.  The public policy issue there was that Homeland Security apparently didn’t know that one of its managers was an extremist that publicly identified the President as an enemy of the people, an act that would probably be prominently featured in a DHS report on Tea Party extremism if Kimathi was part of that movement.  I noted at the end:

I’m not “hesitating to be blunt” about race…[.]  It’s rather obvious that Kimathi has an issue with race, but that’s not the public policy/performance issue here. Nor is it in any individual act of racism, either.  Bringing up isolated incidents of racial animus and stretching that into a narrative about everyone else is what the Left has done for decades.  Count me out of that nonsense.

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating.  We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills.  We preach individual responsibility and consequences.  When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

War Games’ Joshua said it best:

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Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

cozmo on August 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Sometimes statistics back up what is right in front of your face, no?

wolly4321 on August 26, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Not speaking out against a problem, does not make it go away.

kingsjester on August 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

We preach individual responsibility and consequences.

In the long run we seem to be losing this argument. We don’t control the narrative and when we try to give our viewpoints we are categorized as judgmental for expecting the above.

chemman on August 26, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

cozmo on August 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Yep.

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating. We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills. We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

In other words, you insist on bringing your fists to a gunfight, and then laud yourself for high principle for following the Marquess of Queensbury rules.

Democrats have secured a significant political advantage by not following your rules. Their constituencies are being served; yours are not.

In general, Captain Morrissey, I’ve noticed you’re the kind of guy who frequently likes to praise himself for his principles – perhaps because it would be unseemly for you to praise your political intelligence when you’re getting your clocked clean.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:33 PM

40 years of unopposed progressive propaganda has made the issue moot – we’ve lost.

We are now a tribal society, and will remain so until conservatives take back the media, government, and schools. This is not going to happen in our lifetimes, even if it’s possible at all.

Time for white people to understand that to not vote as a tribe, when everyone else is, is a sure road to disaster.

Rebar on August 26, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

and …

Not speaking out against a problem, does not make it go away.

Exactly. Captain Ed likes to think that being a loser is a good thing in politics because it shows how moral and principled he is.

I think it just shows he’s a loser.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

When black on white violence is 100x that of the other direction, it’s conspicuous to not mention it.

Ed writes: the urge in using specific and unrelated cases usually leads people to take the arguments too far

While Obama himself mentions his white grandmother’s fear of blacks, that the police “acted stupidly” in arresting Professor Gates, and that if he had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.

Ed writes: We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

Brings to mind the high spiritual admonition, “resist not evil”, as somehow resisting evil helps magnify it. The fight has been joined. It’s not the time to be high-principled. It’s time to say what we see.

Paul-Cincy on August 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Reposted:

Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

and …

Not speaking out against a problem, does not make it go away.

Exactly. Captain Ed likes to think that being a loser is a good thing in politics because it shows how moral and principled he is.

I think it just shows he’s a loser.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:36 PM

When black on white violence is 100x that of the other direction, it’s conspicuous to not mention it.

Ed’s not interested in facts. He just wants to show what a principled guy he is. He’d chase his principles right over a cliff if he could, and congratulate himself all the way down.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM

It is becoming harder for some conservative journalists to resist the tit-for-tat arguments when Sharpton et al. continue to pretend the Martin case was about race when everyone involved, including the prosecution, said that it was not.

 

Wait what?
 
libfreeordie on July 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM

rogerb on August 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM

We better fight on every plane, with whatever we have.

You don’t get to chose not to “play the game”.

They are at war with you. Period.

The Boehner approach won’t work. We simply will lose all freedom.

During the Revolution not fighting rank and file was spoken of in the same terms as you are using. I’m glad they didn’t pay heed.

wolly4321 on August 26, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Not speaking out against a problem, does not make it go away.

kingsjester on August 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Not only does it not make problems go away, it has the effect of enabling them to grow larger…

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Of course one could use a whole litany of crimes to prove their point and not use just an isolated case.

Flange on August 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Only pushing the puppy’s face in it’s own poop is effective Ed.

Trying to have an intellectual conversation about the merits of pooping outside doesn’t get the attention or the conversion of the puppy.

Sorry Ed but we live in a country of low information voters and a party that uses emotion and lies to CONSTANTLY defeat our statesmanship and logic.

I am sure you want to remain pure in your arguments but I am watching the country burn following advice like yours.

Time to push the puppy’s face in the poop. They need to admit they are continuing to lie about Martin and that everything isn’t about race or WE make everything about race. The black youth in this country are not a pretty picture. Playing the race card on the many black on white crimes will be the only thing that makes THEM stop.

If you don’t believe me Ed enjoy Trayvon Martin Luther King day on Wednesday.

Conan on August 26, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Translation: “We’ll lose. But we’ll lose with honor and our heads held high.”

SCREW THAT.

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM

“This is a game without winners. I’d rather not play.”

1. It’s not a game.

2. The opponent gets to choose the rules by which you play…not you. If they come at you with a knife, saying that you only wanted to play checkers isn’t being high-minded…it’s just stupidity.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Not speaking out against a problem, does not make it go away.

kingsjester on August 26, 2013 at 7:28 PM

And we do have a problem. A very serious problem. The number of “isolated incidents” will reach a level where the situation will write its own “narrative.”

Are we supposed to ignore black racism?

dogsoldier on August 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM

President Mitt Romney agrees 100%.

chimney sweep on August 26, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating. We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills. We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

Not sure if Ed has been reading Breitbart lately, but they have been covering the OK college baseball player murder that HotAir has apparently refused to cover. HotAir has been downright timid and often silent on race issues.

Now Ed waits for someone to argue against the racialization of crime stories before he’ll comment much?

Also, why does Ed apparently refuse to acknowledge the apparent double standard when it comes to race? Does Ed really think the DHS employee wouldn’t have been dealt with sooner if he was a white supremacist calling for whites to shoot as many blacks as possible? Get real.

Of course we should want the bloggers here to be responsible, but it seems like some may be cowed and afraid to speak bluntly, and instead offer this prim, ineffectual “let’s be better than them” response that seems more concerned about appearing reasonable and chastising people who are rightly concerned about the racial double standard than it does about calling out the out-of-control and very effective racial smearing practiced by the left.

bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Where do I buy my “Justice for Shorty” shirt?

Wino on August 26, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Pollack is a Harvard-educated ex-liberal who voted for Obama as late as 2004. He’s prissified the Breitbart sites. Fight back, and fight forward. That was Breitbart’s belief.

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM

“This is a game without winners. I’d rather not play.”

Oh, but you have to play. Participation, one way or another is mandatory.

So says Breitbart editor Joel Pollak, a good friend of mine, who revealed yesterday that his site intentionally steered clear of the race discussion relating to recent crimes in Oklahoma and Spokane.

AmericanThinker boldly goes where HotAir and even now so-called “Brietbart” fear to tread

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM

“An eye for an eye makes the whole wor”

BANG………….”

“”

This is why we lose.

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Not sure if Ed has been reading Breitbart lately, but they have been covering the OK college baseball player murder that HotAir has apparently refused to cover. HotAir has been downright timid and often silent on race issues.

Yep. But AllahPundit does love to cover the ghey. He can’t get enough of that.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM

So the temptation to report the race of alleged perpetrators when the roles are reversed is now stronger than it was before–too strong for some conservative sites in the Christopher Lane murder, which reported initially (and inaccurately) that all three assailants were black.

I still say that all three are black and we are being conned by the liberal media.

slickwillie2001 on August 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Chiseled in stone.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM

So says Breitbart editor Joel Pollak, a good friend of mine, who revealed yesterday that his site intentionally steered clear of the race discussion relating to recent crimes in Oklahoma and Spokane.

Hence becoming all but a card carrying member of the MSM, which is not exactly a fitting tribute to the fearless and very much non-MSM, Andrew Breitbart.

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Yes.

Tu quoque

back until you’re blue in the face.

Does that answer your question?

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 7:47 PM

They are very afraid that whites in America are waking up to their increasingly perilous situation.

And I don’t trust Pollack.

He’s sitting on the information that Breitbart was most likely killed for.

And he’s taken that website away from the course Breitbart had set for it.

If I was investigating Breitbart’s murder, Pollack would be the first party I would focus on.

sartana on August 26, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Hence becoming all but a card carrying member of the MSM, which is not exactly a fitting tribute to the fearless and very much non-MSM, Andrew Breitbart.

Yeah, why go to Hot Air or Breitbart when we can just go to MSNBC for the same news … or lack thereof.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Exactly. Captain Ed likes to think that being a loser is a good thing in politics because it shows how moral and principled he is.

I think it just shows he’s a loser.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Maybe, but a loser who likes to impress us with his command of Latin. Never mind that there is no “to quoque” involved in these issues IMO.

BierManVA on August 26, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Brings to mind the high spiritual admonition, “resist not evil”, as somehow resisting evil helps magnify it. The fight has been joined. It’s not the time to be high-principled. It’s time to say what we see.
Paul-Cincy on August 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I get the sense reading Ed’s disappointing, weak post above that he is concerned about, above all else, how he appears to the mainstream media and liberals.

Ed seems to want make HotAir appear more acceptable to liberals and wants to differentiate the site from far bolder blogs.

Look, Ed is a great blogger, but perhaps this site needs a new unapologetic conservative as an official blogger. Just for variety, at least.

bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 7:50 PM

One of the best ways to win an argument is to ask questions. “Why are you making the Travon Martin case into a racial commentary when even the prosecution stated that race had nothing to do with it?” “Why do you think young black men choose white victims at random when there is supposedly so much black on black crime?” “How would you have felt as an African-American if a president Bush had stated that if he had a son he would look like George Zimmerman?” “Since there are more whites on welfare than blacks would it be racist of me to want to do away with welfare?” “Why is it that we never hear from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton when there is a black on white crime?”

HiJack on August 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass.

Jesus, Ed. It’s not about scoring points. It’s about telling the truth.

You’ve taken on the job of being a journalist. Your job, therefore, is to tell truth and follow the story, wherever that leads you. Otherwise you’re just filtering the “news” like those you critique in the media.

beatcanvas on August 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

cozmo on August 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Oh but sir, we must not get down in the gutter. We’re better than that. ///

And Ed is the host, I appreciate that but today was apparently a squish day.

arnold ziffel on August 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Maybe, but a loser who likes to impress us with his command of Latin. Never mind that there is no “to quoque” involved in these issues IMO.

Hahahaha ! Yeah, the entire post is off. The only takeaway from it is that Captain Ed seems to think he’s a very principled man. Not too smart, but very principled.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:53 PM

What truly needs to happen is for conservatives to focus on the right to free speech.

For just a moment.. lets forget all the issues. Which side you are on and instead remember we are allowed to take sides.

The time is right for a national campaign promoting freedom of thought and freedom of speech. But who will fund it and promote it?
We’re fast approaching the point where you can’t even voice dissent.

Our nation needs to be reminded of this. Every group needs reminded of this.
Quite honestly.. it’s one of the most important issues right now and it’s the one issue that you might just be able to get a lot of opposing groups to support. If we lose the ability to have the right to say “I disagree..” then it won’t matter what your one single issue is. They will all fall to the will of the party in power.

JellyToast on August 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Your high principles are racist. Cracka!

Howcome on August 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Look, Ed is a great blogger, but perhaps this site needs a new unapologetic conservative as an official blogger. Just for variety, at least.
bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I mean in addition to Ed and the others.

bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass.

Then why not do some research of the facts and report on the explosion of black on white crime across America. There IS a narrative.

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

One of the best ways to win an argument is to ask questions.

HiJack on August 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

That’s my experience.

Asking good, pointed questions & drawing people out is always informative!

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Quite honestly.. it’s one of the most important issues right now and it’s the one issue that you might just be able to get a lot of opposing groups to support. If we lose the ability to have the right to say “I disagree..” then it won’t matter what your one single issue is. They will all fall to the will of the party in power.

JellyToast on August 26, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I agree. It is or could the uniting issue. The oppression of dissent is the most overlooked story of our time.

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Jesus, Ed. It’s not about scoring points. It’s about telling the truth.

You’ve taken on the job of being a journalist. Your job, therefore, is to tell truth and follow the story, wherever that leads you. Otherwise you’re just filtering the “news” like those you critique in the media.

beatcanvas on August 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM

He has gazed long into the MSM and now it is gazing back into him.

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM

When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass.

… and we risk letting the media and the Left win … particularly when they’re obviously wrong. But we score a “moral victory“.
.
We’ve done this over and over again over the last 50 years. Look at the results.
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When do “moral victories” count?
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.
.

In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

… or perhaps “not the hill to die on”?
.
This is a losing strategy. Proof: Look at the uneducated goobers that MSNBC hires.
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It’s time to expose Al Sharpton, Melissa Hairy-Paris and Touret as the intellectual incompetents that they are.
.
Pollak’s strategy legitimizes idiotic ideas and imbeciles such as these.
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It’s been time to fight back … for a couple of decades.

Arbalest on August 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM

The issue isn’t that DHS hired a racist, nor does one staffing decision indicate a broad problem with race in America.

Uh, yes it does.

drowningpuppies on August 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I get the sense reading Ed’s disappointing, weak post above that he is concerned about, above all else, how he appears to the mainstream media and liberals.

Well, there you are. It’s amazing how easily a conservative journalist taking the high road can segue into him fitting easily into the MSM.

Tu quoque !

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM

My problem with these stories is not about score keeping but about when the president inserts himself. Just be consistent. As for the guy that works for Homeland Security, ignoring people with serious problems gets us nothing but more Hasans.

Cindy Munford on August 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

As a person of color, I find it offensive that Whites are tip toeing around this subject. Especially after the crap that whites took over the Travyvon Martin case.

Shame on you!

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

The left wants power to remake society into what they believe it should be, and will use any tactic to achieve that.

Republicans want a nice calm discussion over some tea and cucumber sandwiches.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

There are some issues that the Lane and Benton murders may have in common, mainly bored teenagers …

Left out the black part. Want to have an honest discussion?

drowningpuppies on August 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 7:57 PM

We need to stop this French crap right now. It just adds to the squish factor.

Cindy Munford on August 26, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Gee. Wonder why the other side never talks like this.

Cleombrotus on August 26, 2013 at 8:02 PM

As I recall, HA bloggers were quite defensive aboutbeing called out for not covering the firing of National Review’s long-time contributor John Derbyshire over a column about race he wrote at Taki’s – after several commenters wondered about this in the comments, the explanation was HA only linked to Derbs one time.

HA is, in short, timid when it comes to white people being the victims where race is involved (violence in the recent cases, Orwellian PC censorship in Derbs’). It’s your blog, and I don’t blame you not wanting to dip your toes into material that may get you branded a racist by commenting on it. The site’s silence on the OK and WA cases has been deafening, including no attempt to defend said cone of silence in the comments (I’ve always appreciated that you guys will mix it up in the comments if you disagree or think your views have been distorted).

Young black men perpetrating violence on white men and women is not an isolated incident here and there, and to ignore it by dressing it up in some sketchy principle that is both incoherent and morally dubious is dishonest, whether intended that way or not (and fwiw, I don’t think it’s intentional), sort of like the white police officials in both cases immediately insisting that race had nothing to do with the abhorrent crimes. When whites are beaten, shot, raped, lit on fire etc by AfAm youth, we know there will be no coverage in it, not by the MSM and not by HA.

Enjoy your blue pill and your fluffy pillows made of laurels.

King B on August 26, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Gainesville, Fla.: A white man was beaten by a group of black men yelling “Trayvon.”

Oak Park, Ill.: Two blacks repeatedly punched a young white man; one of the two attackers told police he beat the victim because he was upset with the Trayvon case.

Toledo, Ohio: A 78-year-old man was severely beaten by a group of black youths while they shouted “this is for Trayvon.”

Washington, D.C.: Three black men robbed and beat a white man, stealing his wallet and iPhone. One of the black men said, “This is for Trayvon Martin” as they approached the victim.

Mobile, Ala.: A white man was attacked by 20 black adults who hit him with chairs, pipes, brass knuckles, and paint cans. As the group left, two witnesses reported one assailant said, “Now that’s justice for Trayvon.”

Baltimore, Md.: A group of black youths beat a Hispanic man while saying, “This is for Trayvon.”

Chester County, Pa.: Firefighters responded to an arson started at a white-owned business with the words “Kill Zimmerman” painted in red on the front wall.

Similar revenge attacks have reportedly occurred in Memphis, Tenn.; Norfolk, Va.; and Sanford, Fla.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356657/obamas-racial-imbalance-john-r-lott-jr

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

The left wants power to remake society into what they believe it should be, and will use any tactic to achieve that.
Republicans want a nice calm discussion over some tea and cucumber sandwiches.
sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Reminds me of one of my favorite HotAir quotes. I wish I could remember who first posted it

“The Left is at war with the Right and the Right thinks it’s having a political discussion.”

Cleombrotus on August 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

The left wants power to remake society into what they believe it should be, and will use any tactic to achieve that.

Republicans want a nice calm discussion over some tea and cucumber sandwiches.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I saw our fellow poster Punchenko recently say that the Right sucks at street fighting compared to the Left, and he’s right. As a whole, we generally are not very good when it comes to finishing battles.

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gP2J0CUjc

MontanaMmmm on August 26, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“The Left is at war with the Right and the Right thinks it’s having a political discussion.”

Cleombrotus on August 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

And that is why the left will win. Wars are won with willpower and too many on the right are more concerned with being polite and not being embarrassed by anyone else on the right. They will join forces with the leftists to attack someone on the right out of this same fear.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:08 PM

As a person of color, I find it offensive that Whites are tip toeing around this subject. Especially after the crap that whites took over the Travyvon Martin case.

Shame on you!

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I think Tiny Tim but this to song

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 8:08 PM

honestly it is rather irrelevant if HA or other conservative blog posts these stories or not. Does it inform? Sure. Does it make a difference? Not really.

The Zimmerman case should concentrate everyone’s mind. Everyone from Oprah to Powell are Down with the Movement. The grim irony is that the lib-left reads the State’s affidavit and the Prosecutors word is gospel. That never happens. The suspension of disbelief is the tell that these people will do or say anything to maintain the status quo. If there’s a few eggs broken, well so be it…The Project is More Important

that is the root cause…The Project. In a functioning democracy their would be an opposition..but the left has so dominated the playing field for so long that the RINO party is scared stiff to even look cross-eyed.

And the left knows it…which is why Holder’s thing about having a ‘national conversation’ is a taunt. We are having the conversation now…and Zimmerman and the Rodeo Clown are the examples..

r keller on August 26, 2013 at 8:09 PM

As a whole, we generally are not very good when it comes to finishing battles.

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Not surprising since many of them refuse to acknowledge that its even a battle.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Truth

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Townhall is starting to supply the MSM with the conservative view point a lot lately. Everybody use their inside voices and don’t say anything controversial. Being the voice of reason is the prevailing strategy.

Cindy Munford on August 26, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Not surprising since many of them refuse to acknowledge that its even a battle.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:09 PM

++++++

bazil9 on August 26, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Good post, Ed.

aryeung on August 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Not surprising since many of them refuse to acknowledge that its even a battle.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Yep!

They’re blind, which means they’re useless…

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 8:15 PM

“The Left is at war with the Right and the Right thinks it’s having a political discussion.”

Cleombrotus on August 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

In-effing-deed!!! They also (and, I think, rightly) believe what one of their leaders said many years ago:

The purpose of war is not to defeat the enemy but to wipe them from the from the face of the earth.

— Vladimir Lenin

If the Republican establishment doesn’t wake up and fight fire with fire, not only are they dead, the country itself is dead.

TXUS on August 26, 2013 at 8:16 PM

As a person of color, I find it offensive that Whites are tip toeing around this subject. Especially after the crap that whites took over the Travyvon Martin case.

Shame on you!

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

MLK might not have died in vain after all. So sad that you are a true minority (in numbers only) in the America of 2013.

One never knew. With same regard and respect, as always. Love your wit, from brevity.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:17 PM

If the Republican establishment doesn’t wake up and fight fire with fire, not only are they dead, the country itself is dead.

TXUS on August 26, 2013 at 8:16 PM

True. They win and rule by impertinent thuggery, lecturing/hectoring the timid. Time to wake up. It’s war, no less, no more, over the land.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Good post, Ed.

aryeung on August 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM

He who wishes to profess goodness in all things will come to ruin among so many who are not good. – Niccolo Machivelli

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 8:19 PM

There’s two things going on here. First, the people that run HA desperately want to be mainstream. They want respect from CNN and the broadcast networks. You don’t get that by being a h-raiser and a sh-disturber.

They want that respect because for the most part liberals control media career opportunities. Ed and AP don’t want to spend the rest of their life dealing with us a-holes. They dream about the day when they get the call from CNN to appear in a 90-second talking head spot and it leads to a better gig.

Second, a lot of people in the country are treading carefully here because they fear that if these cases are too-much in the news that it will lead to copycat crimes and it could spread out of control.

In neither case am I denying the massive hypocrisy in the case of the predominant black-on-white crimes or the opportunism in the case of the rare white-on-black crimes, from the democratics.

slickwillie2001 on August 26, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Very Ghandi-ish of you. Maybe the winning move goes to whoever plays first. Or, maybe the winning move goes to whoever plays and keeps playing. Let’s try this not play strategy with the Islamists.

A peckerwood.

Viator on August 26, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Romney lost with silky gloves. I’m now almost content that he did so. After Snowden, Egypt, Syria, Benghazi, the sow Hillary, the platinum-sprayed turd stinks like never before. It was worth the loss. Otherwise the frog would have gotten used to the warmer water.

Maybe this way he’ll jump out of the pan, before he’s dead.

Don’t take me wrong. I’m not sure that it’s not too late. The land has been ruined by the mooching harlots on the left, and their baron-like masters, and the idiotic Rs who enabled them, for different sets of glory and rewards.

This man addresses it in clear terms
, tact or bullshit totally aside. He is more effective than a gazillion silky gloves. Teh-heh, here’s laughing at all you gloved people.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:23 PM

What I wouldn’t give for one blogger here at HA who had sound strategic political sense instead of this principled buffoonery.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Yep!

They’re blind, which means they’re useless…

Anti-Control on August 26, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Not only that – the R dummies enable the D impertinent charlatans and are, thus, more culpable.

Timidity doesn’t win wars.

I have grown to admire (not like) the D tactics more. They want to win and in politics winning is all.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Breitbart’s murder

This is an unfortunate comment. Breitbart was 43. That age is common for heart attacks in men. From which you don’t survive. I had a friend from school who died and two one of which was in great shape nearly die right at 40. Fortunately they had checkups. Both had bypasses. One within days of diagnosis. He was told to get his things in order because he might not make it to surgery. 20 years later doing great. Mickey Mantle said he drank because no male member of his family had lived past 40.

CW20 on August 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM

thank you so very much for this post. i’m a black conservative and i’m so tired of the hypocrisy coming from some conservatives, including many of you on this site.

as we all know, liberals love to falsely accuse white people of racism. they will accuse white people of having racial motivations for things even when they have no proof for that. they will bring a white person’s race into the discussion even if the topic isn’t specifically about race.

and yet, i keep seeing some conservatives who do THE EXACT SAME THING with black people and hispanics. whenever a person from either of those two groups commits a crime, many people on this site are very quick to talk about race, even when the topic isn’t specifically about race and there’s no actual proof that race had anything to do with the person’s actions. it’s just so annoying that you are doing exactly what the left does, but you think it’s okay just because the races are reversed.

you are quick to say “why is the left so obsessed with talking about race??” when a white person commits a crime. but when a black or hispanic person commits a crime, you feel the need to endlessly talk about crime statistics among blacks and hispanics. it’s interesting how race is all of a sudden an important thing for you to talk about and yet it wasn’t before.

and you also are quick to define people by race when you talk about “how can conservatives win the black vote” and “hispanic vote,” and you say things like “black people will like this” and “hispanic people won’t like that.” all this reinforces the left’s idea that conservatism is inherently a white thing and you have to pull other races into it. you criticize the left for dividing people up by race but you do it too sometimes.

it’s sad that many people here are criticizing ed for this post. he’s absolutely right. if you want to go against the left, stop acting like them. stop defining people by race. race honestly isn’t that important. but the left keeps making it into a big important thing and are constantly dividing people up by it and defining people by it… and some of you on this site are doing that too. realize what you’re doing.

Sachiko on August 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Then why comment at all on Trayvon Martin?

John the Libertarian on August 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM

We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

Well that HA finally admitted that the Duncan OK killing even happened is a step forward no matter how late and how long it took. A shameful quailing of what should have been a frank discussion IMO.

Not of race but of media bias and a refusal to have the real race discussion. The narrative in the Martin killing was written within 48 hours. The media repeated it over and over again. Marches were organized within days as well. Florida officials Nifonged Zimmerman out of fear of rioting. And that was wrong.

There was no narrative in the Lane killing because the media (including HA) didn’t want to introduce race into the story. Despite overwhelming facts that this was a gang initiation or bored teens targeting a white college student, there was silence. That was wrong too.

Just what happened in the 50 years since the March on Washington that has so alienated young black males that there are these stories in the first place? Why has the dream left them behind? And why has black-on-black violence become so commonplace it isn’t even newsworthy? HA and the rest of the conservative media may be afraid to discuss these issues but there is a pattern that will never be discussed so long as excuses are made about black on white attacks being isolated incidents like NSA snooping and IRS targeting.

Trayvon Martin, the Duncan Three, the Spokane Two, and countless incidents in cities like Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans are part of a bigger story about the plight of young black males in America. But, of course, conservatives shouldn’t be talking about that kind of stuff. Far better to focus on white rodeo clowns in Obama masks and racist DHS employees as if there isn’t a bigger issue to discuss. It avoids the real dialogue that should be going on. It was cowardly.

Happy Nomad on August 26, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Timidity doesn’t win wars.

I have grown to admire (not like) the D tactics more. They want to win and in politics winning is all.

Yep. Know who you represent. Know what you represent. And just go win.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 8:28 PM

One never knew. With same regard and respect, as always. Love your wit, from brevity.

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:17 PM

+1 :)

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Good post, Ed.

aryeung on August 26, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Definitely one of his best. I enjoy being an Eloi, you too?

arnold ziffel on August 26, 2013 at 8:29 PM

arnold ziffel on August 26, 2013 at 8:29 PM

LOL! Excellent reference, Arnold. :) Well played.

thatsafactjack on August 26, 2013 at 8:30 PM

you are quick to say “why is the left so obsessed with talking about race??” when a white person commits a crime. but when a black or hispanic person commits a crime, you feel the need to endlessly talk about crime statistics among blacks and hispanics. it’s interesting how race is all of a sudden an important thing for you to talk about and yet it wasn’t before.

Thanks for your insight, Colin.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 8:30 PM

As a person of color, I find it offensive that Whites are tip toeing around this subject. Especially after the crap that whites took over the Travyvon Martin case.

Shame on you!

portlandon on August 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I give you.. Pat Buchanan…
I don’t have a link since I stole it from someone who posted it on another thread.

BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to…. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids…? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
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JellyToast on August 26, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Should conservatives resist the race tu quoque?

There are various terms to describe when only one side in a game chooses not to play. Words like lose and forfeit.

And, since WarGames was mentioned, that brings to mind a word with a more military meaning… surrender.

malclave on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Very Ghandi-ish of you. Maybe the winning move goes to whoever plays first. Or, maybe the winning move goes to whoever plays and keeps playing. Let’s try this not play strategy with the Islamists.

A peckerwood.

Viator on August 26, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I love Gandhi. Saw the movie twice. :) Read his biographies, and autobiography, and writings. His writings acted as a basis for MLK’s non-violence, as his mentor. Later, heard Gandhi suggested the Jews just go quietly. That’s not a good position, IMHO. I love the Dalai Lama. But he’s a freakin’ Marxist, by his own admission.

Balance. Moderation. No, I’m not going to walk quietly to the gas chambers. I’m not going to be a Marxist. I still love Gandhi and the Dalai Lama. I’ll take what they have to offer, to a point. And then, sometimes, you have to fight. Like now.

Paul-Cincy on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

You all have to remember that ever since Michelle Malkin sold Hot Air, it is now a commercial entity. They cannot take the chance of alienating too many people, so they tone down their posts so as not to offend too many people.

Hot Air used to be the first site I would start with when surfing the Internet. Now it is one of the last, and may soon go the way of LGF and be deleted from my shortcuts.

RoadRunner on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

it’s sad that many people here are criticizing ed for this post. he’s absolutely right.

Sachiko on August 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM

“I approve this message” – MSM and DNC

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Townhall is starting to supply the MSM with the conservative view point a lot lately. Everybody use their inside voices and don’t say anything controversial. Being the voice of reason is the prevailing strategy.
Cindy Munford on August 26, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Yep, and it seems like the aim of lot of these writers is to be viewed by the MSM as “one of the responsible, reasonable people on the right.”

HotAir has lost its fire and has become warmed over, weak, namby pamby land.

I miss the days of the weekly Vent series. HotAir has become a completely different blog from that time.

What sets this blog apart from Townhall? There’s so little boldness here.

This blog entry reminds me of the person who, after getting sucker punched in the face, responds with, “I refuse to sink to your level and will continue to treat you with respect, good sir. That’s just the kind of principled man I am.” While the person doing the punching just laughs and punches a few more times.

bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 8:33 PM

You all have to remember that ever since Michelle Malkin sold Hot Air, it is now a commercial entity. They cannot take the chance of alienating too many people, so they tone down their posts so as not to offend too many people.

RoadRunner on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Which makes it rather like drinking ‘beer’ with no alcohol.

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Ignore news? Why? If we ignore reality will it go away?

MNHawk on August 26, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I still love Gandhi and the Dalai Lama. I’ll take what they have to offer, to a point. And then, sometimes, you have to fight. Like now.

Paul-Cincy on August 26, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Gandi and the Dalhi Lama weren’t going up against fascist and racist democrats.

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 8:36 PM

H/t RWM

Schadenfreude on August 26, 2013 at 8:36 PM

it’s interesting how race is all of a sudden an important thing for you to talk about and yet it wasn’t before.

If someone commits an attack based on race we face up to that regardless of who they are. It’s called the truth.

Maybe you missed it.

Gainesville, Fla.: A white man was beaten by a group of black men yelling “Trayvon.”

Oak Park, Ill.: Two blacks repeatedly punched a young white man; one of the two attackers told police he beat the victim because he was upset with the Trayvon case.

Toledo, Ohio: A 78-year-old man was severely beaten by a group of black youths while they shouted “this is for Trayvon.”

Washington, D.C.: Three black men robbed and beat a white man, stealing his wallet and iPhone. One of the black men said, “This is for Trayvon Martin” as they approached the victim.

Mobile, Ala.: A white man was attacked by 20 black adults who hit him with chairs, pipes, brass knuckles, and paint cans. As the group left, two witnesses reported one assailant said, “Now that’s justice for Trayvon.”

Baltimore, Md.: A group of black youths beat a Hispanic man while saying, “This is for Trayvon.”

Chester County, Pa.: Firefighters responded to an arson started at a white-owned business with the words “Kill Zimmerman” painted in red on the front wall.

Similar revenge attacks have reportedly occurred in Memphis, Tenn.; Norfolk, Va.; and Sanford, Fla.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356657/obamas-racial-imbalance-john-r-lott-jr

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 8:04 PM

if you want to go against the left, stop acting like them. stop defining people by race.

Sachiko on August 26, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Hasn’t that been tried for the last 50 years and failed?

They are winning.

As I said earlier…the right doesn’t get to set the ground rules.

Ignoring it won’t make the problem go away. They are defining themselves based on race and there isn’t anything we can do to stop that.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM

HotAir has lost its fire and has become warmed over, weak, namby pamby land.

Reading Michelle Malkin, I’m reminded of what was lost. I guess it takes an immigrant conservative woman to do a conservative man’s job nowadays.

Pincher Martin on August 26, 2013 at 8:37 PM

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