Should conservatives resist the race tu quoque?

posted at 7:21 pm on August 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

So says Breitbart editor Joel Pollak, a good friend of mine, who revealed yesterday that his site intentionally steered clear of the race discussion relating to recent crimes in Oklahoma and Spokane. While a good discussion of media malpractice is always welcome, the urge in using specific and unrelated cases usually leads people to take the arguments too far — a practice of the Left that Pollak would rather avoid (via Ace):

It is becoming harder for some conservative journalists to resist the tit-for-tat arguments when Sharpton et al. continue to pretend the Martin case was about race when everyone involved, including the prosecution, said that it was not. Even the Martin family, given the opportunity (before the verdict) to comment on the fact that there were no black jurors, said that they placed their faith in their fellow citizens and the judicial process. The fact that the racial argument has survived the trial and the facts is both sad and frustrating.

So the temptation to report the race of alleged perpetrators when the roles are reversed is now stronger than it was before–too strong for some conservative sites in the Christopher Lane murder, which reported initially (and inaccurately) that all three assailants were black. Yes, there is a crime problem in the black community. Yes, there is an failure among black leaders, from Obama on down, to do anything about it. That story doesn’t need new white victims to make it potent. This is a game without winners. I’d rather not play.

I spoke about this on my show this morning, in the final segment of the second hour.  There are some issues that the Lane and Benton murders may have in common, mainly bored teenagers with little supervision and no engagement in core values — but those issues are not limited to any one community, nor are two incidents involving five teenagers a particularly good look at teens as a whole or an indication of broad cultural decline.

Last week, for instance, I wrote about the story of DHS manager Ayo Kimathi, who runs a website warning fellow African-Americans of a coming race war, complete with enemies list — including President Obama.  The issue isn’t that DHS hired a racist, nor does one staffing decision indicate a broad problem with race in America.  The public policy issue there was that Homeland Security apparently didn’t know that one of its managers was an extremist that publicly identified the President as an enemy of the people, an act that would probably be prominently featured in a DHS report on Tea Party extremism if Kimathi was part of that movement.  I noted at the end:

I’m not “hesitating to be blunt” about race…[.]  It’s rather obvious that Kimathi has an issue with race, but that’s not the public policy/performance issue here. Nor is it in any individual act of racism, either.  Bringing up isolated incidents of racial animus and stretching that into a narrative about everyone else is what the Left has done for decades.  Count me out of that nonsense.

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating.  We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills.  We preach individual responsibility and consequences.  When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

War Games’ Joshua said it best:

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Politricks on August 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Here is what you get when you walk in front of the courthouse in Baltimore.

DFCtomm on August 27, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Excellent comments on this thread, here.

Ed’s pathetic post was an invitation to expletives and invective, but the responses are thoughtful and well stated. Makes me proud to have an account here.

The Hot Air staff should listen and learn to its readership rather than constantly manipulate and dispirit them.

sartana on August 27, 2013 at 2:00 AM

… We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

If you wish to criticize the MFM when IT uses individual ‘narratives’ to create an atmosphere not demonstrated by the facts then one must use the actual facts to demonstrate their hypocrisy. Part of that is not reporting equally on role-reversal crimes of things that the MFM and the ‘activists’ claim are bad but only in one direction. The other is to point out that when these things happen inside ‘communities’ of individuals that the MFM does NOT report on those AT ALL.

This ‘non-playing’ means that you resign yourself from being a media critic and watchdog: you MUST report on these other types of crime to show the MFM hypocrisy and not to do so means you can no longer point out that hypocrisy.

Avoiding these other crimes, not just role-reversal but ones that are destructive to civil society as a whole within ‘communities’ means that you have just walked AWAY from personal responsibility and consequences by NOT SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THEM.

By your silence you allow lies to prosper, and the MFM can spout them off very quickly to build their ‘narratives’. When confronted with facts they attack YOU as the messenger and that must be pointed out at all levels: they cannot handle facts as presented to them that contradict their ‘narrative’. Those facts require equal reporting and case citation that demonstrates the false ‘narrative’ being pushed out and that means that if you wish to push personal responsibility and accountability out as a theme for society then it is not just for yourself but those with visibility pushing a destructive ‘narrative’ out that destroys the fostering of those values.

If you choose to disengage totally, you cede the battlefield and, soon, the war.

If you choose to stand for your values and their lack in society then you must demonstrate one-way hypocrisy and the consequences of NOT upholding those values and trying to make ‘society’ the scapegoat.

To do the former, you lose.

To do the latter you can, should and must not only keep track of one single incident of one-way reporting, but the number of times it happens, document them, link to them, and then demonstrate the factual report that the MFM is a one-way blame system as it currently stands and THAT is corrosive to a common society of holding not just individual liberty high, but individual accountability high, as well.

This is the 21st century and doing that is relatively easy utilizing a set page of hyper-links to stories, documents and how the stories do not actually demonstrate the facts. Put it together as a one-stop shop deal and soon you find yourself able to categorically list and document media bias writ large and demonstrate how bad actors undermine the values you support via their biased reporting and support of false ‘narratives’.

That is using your values as a positive tool, not just a retreat of last resort.

If those are your values then why aren’t you putting them to good use?

ajacksonian on August 27, 2013 at 5:34 AM

A lesson from the schoolyard – if you don’t punch the bully back, he is just going to keep picking on you. A wimpy response just encourages more of the same.

Racism is bad. ALL RACISM. And it needs to be fought. Even if the racist is non-white.

Many self-righteous “enlightened” types think that you can fight white racism with black racism. You can’t – you just end up with more racism. Non-white bigotry encourages and justifies bigotry on the other side.

SubmarineDoc on August 27, 2013 at 5:45 AM

I don’t agree with you on this Ed but I want to thank you for posting this explanation on the reasons HotAir has avoided posts on these racial crimes and for allowing this discussion to finally take place on your blog.

Dollayo on August 27, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating. We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills. We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

STFU. That’s retarded and your entire argument is just wrong. Don’t think that anyone with a brain buys your cowardly BS. You can’t hide behind the attempt to confuse individuals and aggregate group characteristics by claiming, essentially, that there is no such thing as an aggregate group characteristic. Nothing but “isolated incidents”, huh? All of them. Sounds familiar. Your argument would get you tossed out of a junior high school debate.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 27, 2013 at 6:10 AM

There are some issues that the Lane and Benton murders may have in common, mainly bored teenagers with little supervision and no engagement in core values —

Those “youths” of unknown type … Yep.

but those issues are not limited to any one community, nor are two incidents involving five teenagers a particularly good look at teens as a whole or an indication of broad cultural decline.

Yep. Every community has gangs of feral youths roaming around. We see news of it happening all the time. Every time you read about youths beating people in the streets, you have no clue who they could possibly be. No one ever knows and is always shocked … SHOCKED to find out they’re black. Yep. Just a coincidence. Over and over.

Riots in the cities. Could be the Koreans. Who knows? Probably white kids … Youths … The knockout game? White thing, though Indians seem to like it, too. Masses overrunning stores and stealing … probably a bunch of Eskimos.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 27, 2013 at 6:18 AM

Ed, you and Joel are tops but you’re really shirking your responsibility in the name of integrity. In this day and time when our master is instilling a racial division unlike anything in 50 to 100 years solely for securing power, what you’re doing or failing to do only helps them perpetuate their evil.
Obama’s “children” are on the move. They’re attacking more and more defenseless elderly whites simply because its what they’re being programmed to do. Yes he could have been a Mandela for this country but he is a Mugabe. We knew pretty early on he always was.
This game is not of our choosing, its very dangerous, and turning your cheek instead of confronting this will be disastrous. Of course there is the end game to keep in mind. What if we lose anyway? No sense in experiencing a modern gulag.
You and Joel are at the forefront. I’m fully aware of the potential consequences history reveals of those that fight and lose against tyranny. So please don’t kid yourself in front of us that this is some sort of game that is won with integrity. You don’t play against tyranny, you fight. And the truth is never hypocrisy.

onomo on August 27, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Then just like the last forty years, one side loses by default.

cozmo on August 26, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Still dead on the mark.

The side that is winning is systematically and often violently antiwhite.

Going silent on anything that is “controversial” because it does not suit the antiwhite narrative is participating in the cover-up, and it does not protect anybody except the guilty.

David Blue on August 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM

Nothing to see here…..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b00_1377453339

Viator on August 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Pollak is saying the same thing. Essentially, the argument from conservatives is self-defeating. We resist categorizing people by identity, and argue against the “society is to blame” explanation for crime and social ills. We preach individual responsibility and consequences. When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

The problem is that you bend over backwards to avoid societal stereotyping. I am not going to say that conservatives aren’t prone to fall into the trap you are talking about, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is a serious problem with race in far too many black communities today. The problem here is not institutional racism, but a never ending cycle of poverty and tribalism brought about by the horrendous leftist policies too many in these poverty stricken neighborhoods continue to vote for. And it’s high time we started shaming the tribalists like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, and Barrack Obama who wish to keep these people in perpetual misery. Men who are clearly racists themselves. Men whose primary task in life is to stoke the flames of racial hatred. Is this not a conservative approach? Is it not conservative to criticize the individual actions of individuals? Individuals that continue to lie and obsess about race themselves? Individuals that seek to divide instead of preaching responsibility?

Stop sticking your damn head in the sand over the individual acts of racism, like the Oklahoma shooting; and start shaming and attacking the individual racists, like those I named above and the Oklahoma shooters.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Every day we all go to work together, kids go to school together….
Politricks on August 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Right. There’s no problem in the black community. That 72% illegitimacy rate? Oh, of course that has no social, cultural, or moral implications, right?

Denial

Cleombrotus on August 27, 2013 at 8:12 AM

What’s happening does not really come down to black people. It comes down to institutionalized antiwhitism. Antiwhite academics supply the narrative, Hollywood and the mass media mainstream it and make it pervasive, and thugs put the theory into practice.

A lot of the people who participate in this are themselves white. That does not make them innocent.

David Blue on August 27, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Yes he could have been a Mandela for this country but he is a Mugabe. We knew pretty early on he always was.

I’m fully aware of the potential consequences history reveals of those that fight and lose against tyranny. So please don’t kid yourself in front of us that this is some sort of game that is won with integrity. You don’t play against tyranny, you fight. And the truth is never hypocrisy.

onomo on August 27, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Yup. We have a divider-in-chief. He is dividing us. We have to decide for ourselves what this division is meant to do. Many of us have already figured out that this focus on division is dangerous, definitely not for our own good.

Minnesota nice has its place. This isn’t it.

Fallon on August 27, 2013 at 8:21 AM

AmericanThinker boldly goes where HotAir and even now so-called “Brietbart” fear to tread

VorDaj on August 26, 2013 at 7:43 PM

SHAME!

SHAME!

SHAME!

Ed and AP are cowards for ignoring these individual acts of racism. Ed is talking out both sides of his a$$ in this blog post apparently. Preach individual responsibility until it actually comes time to report on individual responsibility.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Politricks on August 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

I’m going to say something that you don’t want to hear but it needs to be said. You’re willfully ignorant but I understand you’re trying to play pretty.

I blame the media for playing up the racial aspects of all these stories more than anything else.

News Flash: They’re just doing what they’re told.

On a conservative site I sure see people blame the President for a lot of things indivisuals do. I say be the change that you want to see….

Sir please go back inside and watch tv. Stay off the street. Its not safe. We’re experiencing a change called hope’n’change, and it’s identical to kristallnacht so…

onomo on August 27, 2013 at 8:43 AM

The cowards can’t even move this post to Top Picks.

NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:44 AM

As Conservatives have been saying for a while, Moderate Republicans are out of touch with the Conservative Base.

Unfortunately, “Minnesota Nice” will get you mugged or killed in Memphis, TN or Detroit, MI.

Like the rest of our rapidly degenerating popular culture, ignoring the fact of Black on White crime, commited for Racism’s sake, will not make the problem go away.

kingsjester on August 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Compare Ed’s refusal to strongly challenge the race-baiters (and refusal to report uncomfortable facts about race issues) with the following assessment from J. Robert Smith of American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/m-mlk_iii_disgraces_his_father.html

How did HotAir end up becoming the timid, nonresistance (to the left’s racial smearing) blog?

Very discouraging, especially since Ed Morrissey is this site’s senior editor.

bluegill on August 27, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Take a look at Drudge’s first column this morning. At least some people are noticing a pattern.

RedRedRice on August 27, 2013 at 8:58 AM

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Martin Luther King, Jr. would weep openly if he were to come back and walk the streets of America today.

The grip of Black racism on America today is little different from the grip of fundamentalist Islamofacism across the world.

Speak out, as a Black, condemning the hip-hop rap thug culture and you are instantly labeled an Uncle Tom.

Try to steer young Black boys and girls toward getting a solid education while still in elementary school; instilling the work ethic so they can escape the bonds of slavery…and you are pandering to the White Man.

You lose your negritude if you personally demonstrate love of Country, devotion to the Constitution. As a Black man, you will lose many many “friends” when you point out the obscenity of the hypocrisy of rich, filthy rich, Black athletes, performers, actors and actresses living large and wide in gated communities in the Hamptons while their home towns and communities decay, die, rotted from within by progressive policies and programs, to include Margaret Sanger’s murderous assault on people of color now viewed as a civil Right…a Constitutional Right.

Yes, Martin Luther King, Jr., would weep…then pick up a cudgel and beat the daylights out of the current crop of Black leaders race baiters and race hustlers…for they have soiled the Temple of this once great land…and sold their character for easy free money from government…made slaves of their own people again and again in the name of “social justice.”

Martin Luther King, Jr., would indeed weep.

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Politricks on August 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

I understand the philosophy, but even blacks themselves are noticing that the most racist group in the land is … blacks per a very recent poll. So for Ed and co., perhaps they can take some solice in the fact that the population is beginning to notice who the real racists are.

But as has been said in every post, we do no favor in playing “nice” when the opponent won’t. In your wargames quote, what you fail to note is that the computer agreed to stop playing. In this case, the racist democrats – which is what every democrat is, a racist – are refusing to stop playing.

And Ed, your faith requires you to fight evil, not turn a blind eye. I realize it seems somewhat at odds with turn the other the cheek. But we are asked by the lord to fight against evil. It seems your willingness to ignore the narrative being laid out in front of us regarding race is allowing the continuation of a terrible evil. I think you should re-orient your response to it. I don’t suggest that you need to be all firebreathing in response, but your failure to fight this evil isn’t correct. It isn’t highminded, it is cowardly.

Zomcon JEM on August 27, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Nothing to see here…..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b00_1377453339

Viator on August 27, 2013 at 8:01 AM

I hope the parents of the white girl take legal action against the parents of those sick, sadistic black children. That is physical abuse.

Anti-white racism among blacks is often excused and portrayed as not as much of an evil. This is a serious problem. The Obama and Sharpton types foster and promote it, while the Ed Morrissey types apparently believe speaking out against it would be uncouth and might lead to their not being invited back on “Morning Joe” to chat with Mike and Joe S. on tv.

bluegill on August 27, 2013 at 9:13 AM

The cowards can’t even move this post to Top Picks.
NotCoach on August 27, 2013 at 8:44 AM

I agree that this should be in Top Picks.

Instead in “Top Picks” there’s a post promoting a radio show featuring “Food On A Stick Of The Day.”

bluegill on August 27, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The difference between the cases Ed mentions and the Trayvon Martin case or Jena 6 or other popular cases involving Black victims would be the apperance of an abscene of justice.

Politricks on August 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

The “injustice” in the Martin-Zimmerman case was a fiction manufactured by race baiters and hustlers. It was all about race, race, race…

Zimmerman should have never been charged, There should have never been a trial. And the Sandford police chief, DA, and lead investigator should get their old jobs back. A gross injustice was done to Zimmerman and to them to appease the racial grievance political activists and industry.

Only well into the trial when it became obvious the prosecution had no case did the racial grievance crowd change their tune and start saying “it’s not about race…”.

Nevertheless, Zimmerman was accused, and convicted in the court of public opinion, of racially profiling Martin. When it was actually Martin who profiled and attacked Zimmerman. Post-trial every lib and lefty who brings it up beings it still does so in the context of race and racism.

And that is where the two recent black on white murders that HA has deliberately tried to ignore come into the picture. They illustrate 1) that what happened to Zimmerman happens to others who lose their lives and 2) that there is racially motivated black on white hate crime, including murder.

If it weren’t for the Zimmerman case those two cases could be ignored as hundreds others have been. But bringing them up in the context of the Zimmerman case is useful. It completes the picture. It is not a tit-for-tat thing.

And I repeat, the Sandford police chief, DA, and lead investigator should get their old jobs back. Or they should be compensated for their loss. There were real injustices done to Zimmerman and to them. There’s your absence of justice.

These people were offered up in sacrifice to the God of Racial Appeasement.

farsighted on August 27, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Post-trial every lib and lefty who brings it up beings it still does so in the context of race and racism.

farsighted on August 27, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I’m going to say something that you all don’t want to hear but it needs to be said. The crazies among you won’t understand but the more sane ones totally will.

So if we disagree with you we’re insane.

Bigot. Politricks is a race-baiting, lying bigot, just like his Barack Obama.

northdallasthirty on August 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Meanwhile, Derbs strikes again - do read the comments, which are a reflection of what’s being discussed here.

King B on August 27, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Crimes happen every day. We all can agree on that. The ones that capture the national consience are the ones that involve a host of additional factors, those may be race, age, position, gender, etc.

No, we can’t. Your sick deluded Obama Party says sexual harassment isn’t a crime, voter fraud isn’t a crime, robbing people isn’t a crime, racist hate speech isn’t a crime, illegal wiretapping and IRS targeting of Tea Party members isn’t a crime, etc., as long as its done by Obama supporters and donors.

Bigot. You are a liar. You won’t hold criminals accountable.

Now onto the Black community. There is no Black community, just as there is no White community. News Flash: Not all Black people know each other. I’m a Black man living in Salt Lake City. How am I responsible for what a Black person in Chicago does?

Yup.

B/c your bigot Obama and your bigoted Obama Party scream that I am accountable for everything any white person has ever done anywhere, while the mistreatment of one black person at any point in time ever gives all black people a free pass on everything.

You agree with and support that. Bigot. You refuse to repudiate Obama and your Obama Party for saying it. Racist.0

northdallasthirty on August 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM

… we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

Ed, with due respect, you seem to be saying that attempting to have an honest national discussion about the root causes of these murders is too risky and carries “too high a cost” – and so advocate being silent.

Do you think Christ would choose to be silent or would he speak up?

DrDeano on August 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM

This is a chicken s–t argument. YES, if it is a HATE crime perpetuated by blacks against whites simply because they are white (or crackers, woods etc) then sauce for the goose and all that. I submit that because of the administrations stand on cases like the beer summit case and the Martin case then it is not only fair to mention the race of the perps but necessary. I am furious that it took the better part of 24 hours for us to learn that 2 of the 3 killers in Oklahoma were black. I don’t think that just because they had a white guy driving the getaway car it negates that this young man was targeted by the two who killed him because he was white. Also the case in Spokane is the same. Obama, by his actions has ramped up this type of behavior. To bury our heads in the sand and just look the other way or to not mention the race issue is cowardly. I reject this idea totally.

neyney on August 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM

the urge in using specific and unrelated cases usually leads people to take the arguments too far

We’re confronting an epidemic of black on white violence, not “specific and unrelated cases.”

For a video expose on the larger phenomenon, see: “WhiteGirl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.”

Or check out the book with more than 500 examples of Black mob violence in more than 90 cities.

Terp Mole on August 27, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I get the sense reading Ed’s disappointing, weak post above that he is concerned about, above all else, how he appears to the mainstream media and liberals.

Ed seems to want make HotAir appear more acceptable to liberals and wants to differentiate the site from far bolder blogs.

Look, Ed is a great blogger, but perhaps this site needs a new unapologetic conservative as an official blogger. Just for variety, at least.

bluegill on August 26, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Or just change the name to Lukewarm Air for truth in advertising.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

SirGawain on August 27, 2013 at 10:45 AM

For some reason, this blazingly simple contemplation escapes the grasp of the Right. Or the challenge of the confrontation scares them. In either case, we go on losing.

rrpjr on August 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM

All the commenters seem to get it, just not the ship’s captain.

SirGawain on August 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM

SirGawain on August 27, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Lukewarm Air. I like that. The comments here have been heartening. So many people understand now the nature of the Left and the war we’re in, and realize the blithering inadequacy of many in our timorous and pathetic commentariat. The idea that 1. Joel Pollack, Breitbart’s supposed consligliere, could actually take this position, and 2. others would embrace it after the last five years of Obama (nevermind the onset of the viral Left with Bill Clinton decades ago, or the whole history of the Jacobin, scorched-earth Left from the 18th century onward) just astounds and depresses.

What does it take? The deluded need to appear refined, polite and civilized for the bien pensants liberal audience — to rise above the Left — is apparently an awesome force greater than any sense of self-respect or even survival.

rrpjr on August 27, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The Hot Air staff should listen and learn to its readership rather than constantly manipulate and dispirit them.

sartana on August 27, 2013 at 2:00 AM

I don’t think they try to manipulate or dispirit us. They simply write about what interests them and what they think is important or possibly even fun to write about.

Ed patiently explained that to us on an episode of TEMS.

I agree with you that it might be a good idea to have a thread occasionally about a topic we posters would like to discuss. Even Rush has open line Friday. Now I know we have QOTD, but that’s not exactly what I’m talking about.

dogsoldier on August 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I missed this post last night.

Why ignore the facts? Is it not at least possible that assaults on whites by blacks are on the rise, encouraged by misplaced rage of Trayvon Martin and fed by the race hustlers? Why not examine the issues like an objective journalist?

Because the evidence is that this trend has been growing in the last few years, and has exploded since the Zimmerman trial.

Ignoring the facts because they make you uncomfortable or don’t serve your political agenda is just another form of PC BS. Pretending that this ugly reality doesn’t exist will not solve anything, it makes things worse. And it isn’t doing the black community any favors, either. They need to confront this evil in their midst.

Very disappointing, Ed.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 3:12 PM

They simply write about what interests them and what they think is important or possibly even fun to write about.

dogsoldier on August 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Ed just admitted that that’s not so. Hot Air refuses to cover facts that conflict with the antiwhite agenda because Ed considers the cost too high, and not because the truth is not interesting.

David Blue on August 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM

David Blue on August 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM

You are correct, David.
Ed said this:

When we stray from that, even to score a few justified points on the media for their hypocrisy and bias, we risk turning individual incidents into “narratives” that aren’t really supported by the facts, and lose track of our philosophical compass. In my opinion, that’s too high a cost for too low a reward.

Pretending that this ugly reality doesn’t exist will not solve anything, it makes things worse. And it isn’t doing the black community any favors, either. They need to confront this evil in their midst.

Very disappointing, Ed.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 3:12 PM

The fact is the problem is escalating. Pat Buchanan says it’s epidemic. I’m inclined to agree.

dogsoldier on August 27, 2013 at 4:07 PM

What is disappointing is that Miley Cyrus is up there with the Top Picks already…with far less “numbers” than this thread, and this thread is about to disappear into the archives at any moment.

If we here cannot discuss race, our own experiences, our own points of view, and lend facts as well to illustrate points, and encourage the same elsewhere..and encourage all persons of color to join in…offer perspectives, facts, and ways toward solutions…where then can we?

DKos? HuffPo? Stormfront???

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

If we here cannot discuss race…

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

“We”, using the term generically, get to discuss race all of the time. Whenever the race baiting trolls bring it up and start hurling charges of racism and racist. Which is almost every time they post.

HA PTB do not want to touch racial issues if they can avoid it. But they are willing to let trolls run wild to make bizarre pretzel logic based or entirely unsupported charges of racism. They get to point fingers and call other posters racist whenever they want, too.

There is no penalty for this behavior on HA.

I wonder if HA’s disdain for racial issues is related to how it lets race baiting trolls behave.

farsighted on August 27, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Some great responses to Pollak’s ill-considered self-censorship including a couple from Doc Zero.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 4:26 PM

What is disappointing is that Miley Cyrus is up there with the Top Picks already…with far less “numbers” than this thread, and this thread is about to disappear into the archives at any moment.

If we here cannot discuss race, our own experiences, our own points of view, and lend facts as well to illustrate points, and encourage the same elsewhere..and encourage all persons of color to join in…offer perspectives, facts, and ways toward solutions…where then can we?

DKos? HuffPo? Stormfront???

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Yup. I’m not clicking on that Miley Cyrus story, though I commented on one in the Headlines. That story should not have been given the attention that it received everywhere. I plan to ignore her, ignore the story and hope her/it goes away, but there it is at the top of the left hand column.

*shaking my head*

I’m certain a number of us are still following this thread until it drops. Then, again, a number of us are still hanging out at Sarah’s Gulch, lol.

Fallon on August 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM

coldwarrior on August 27, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Fallon on August 27, 2013 at 4:34 PM

It doesn’t make HA look very good, so I don’t doubt that they want it to die quickly.

slickwillie2001 on August 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The more I think about these posts, the more preposterous it seems. Portraying every attempt to inject reality into the “discussion on race” as some kind of petty “tit-for-tat” game is both inaccurate and unprofessional. Real journalists investigate the facts and report them, they don’t make up excuses to ignore facts, stories, and realities that are difficult to discuss or inconvenient to some agenda or another.

These crimes appear to be on the rise. Pretending they aren’t and refusing to report on them does a disservice to everyone. The fact is that the race pimps have been ginning up fake racism to support demands for a “conversation on race”. Eric Holder calls us “a nation of cowards” when it comes to this discussion. But when reality intrudes on the “real” conversation on race, suddenly those scumbags fall silent. Who are the cowards now? They don’t want a conversation, they want to hector and lecture us while we sit silently. And now Pollak and Ed want to enable this sick game!

Personally, I’m fortunate enough at this point to be able to avoid areas where these thugs roam freely. In the past that wasn’t so. I lived in Hammond, IN only blocks away from gangland, and the little bastards were trying to move into my neighborhood. If I still lived there, you had better believe I would be on the lookout for thugs looking to get some “justice for Trayvon”. And any white person who must live in the vicinity of these brutal thugs had better be aware of what is happening, because it can happen to you, even if Ed and Joel Pollak don’t want to face the ugly reality.

I’ve got some news. This discussion is going to happen, illuminated by the harsh light of reality. If some folks don’t like how it goes down, too f****** bad.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Nothing but “isolated incidents”, huh? All of them. Sounds familiar.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 27, 2013 at 6:10 AM

Using Ed Morrisey’s “logic”, the Holocaust was not any kind of pattern, just 6 million isolated incidents.

VorDaj on August 27, 2013 at 6:06 PM

A very uninteresting thread. Not sure how I missed this one over the(my) weekend. Would have just as soon never had seen it.

Bmore on August 27, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Never mind that there is no “to quoque” involved in these issues IMO.

BierManVA on August 26, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Absolutely correct. There is no “tu quoque” involved. It’s a straw man.

novaculus on August 27, 2013 at 6:49 PM

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” – Martin Luther King Jr

novaculus on August 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

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