IDF intercept shows Syrian army used chemical weapons

posted at 8:01 am on August 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

A minister in Benjamin Netanyahu’s Cabinet publicly asserted that Bashar al-Assad and his forces used chemical weapons, and not the rebels in the Damascus suburb, and used them on a mass scale.  International Relations Minister Yuval Steintz said it was “crystal clear” that the Syrian army used chemical weapons in the attack last week, arguing that this demonstrates why it is important to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons:

It is “crystal clear” that Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons five days ago in an attack that killed hundreds of people, International Relations Minister Yuval Steintz said Monday.

Although it is true that this is not the first time Assad has used chemical weapons, Steinitz said, saying he has used them two or three times in the past, this is the first time he has used them on a mass scale.

Steinitz, speaking at a press conference sponsored by the Jerusalem Press Club, said that this was the first time chemical weapons were used on a mass scale against civilians since Saddam Hussein used them two decades ago.

Picking up on a theme Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu first spoke of publicly on Sunday, Steinitz said that “what happened in Syria should remind us how dangerous it is if Iran is able to complete its military nuclear project and produce atomic bombs.”

Steinitz said that just as the Syrians used chemical weapons against their own people, the Iranians are capable of using nuclear weapons because, like the Syrians, they have “no moral compunctions.”

Why is Steintz so convinced it was Assad and not the al-Qaeda affiliates who deployed the chemical weapons?  According to the German news magazine Focus, the IDF intercepted high-level communications in the Syrian government at the time, and has the record of orders to use the weapons:

“According to the findings of Israeli intelligence community, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is responsible for the gas attack in Damascus,” reports the publication.

According to FOCUS, the Israel Defense Forces Unit 8200, the IDF’s signals intelligence unit, had intercepted communications of the Syrian army during the attack.

“A former Mossad officer told FOCUS the analysis has clearly shown that the bombardment with poison gas missiles was made by Syrian government forces,” reports the publication.

A professor at the Naval War College noted on Twitter that the findings were quickly shared with the US and other Western allies, and took a parting dig at Glenn Greenwald:

That won’t leave the US and the UN with too many options — and it won’t leave the Syrians with too many, either.  Bloomberg notes that Assad is hoping Russia can bail Syria out of this jam:

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said he expects Russia to ensure the neutrality of a United Nations probe into the alleged use of chemical weapons by his army in the war against rebels.

Assad, in an interview with Russian newspaper Izvestia, said the result of any U.S. military attack on Syria “will meet the same fate that the U.S. has met since its war in Vietnam: failure,” according to a transcript carried by the state-run Sana news agency.

Ahem. Perhaps Assad might take a look towards his east, where his former Ba’athist colleague used to reign with an iron and bloody fist — until ten years ago or so, when the US military showed up and eventually pulled Saddam Hussein from a hole in the ground and handed him over to his victims. He could look at Libya, too, where the US indeed shot itself in the foot, but that didn’t provide much comfort to Moammar Qaddafi.

Even Russia might be disinclined to assist after today’s attack on the UN inspection team:

Sniper fire hit a vehicle used by a U.N. chemical weapons investigation team in Syria multiple times on Monday, according to the United Nations. The team “returned safely back to the government checkpoint,” a U.N. statement said. The team is replacing the vehicle and will return to the area, it said.

It’s possible that the snipers are rebels looking to stir things up.  If the IDF has it right, though, it’s also possible that it’s the army doing the sniping, in order to dissuade the inspection team from checking the evidence left after the attack.


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What kind of gas was used?

Sherman1864 on August 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM

They mentioned neurotoxic symptoms among the casualties so I would assume Sarin, Tabun, or VX.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Look al-Assad saw what happened to Kadhafi, who had gone along with the “disarm” when Iraq was invaded. What possible motive would he have not to fight tooth and nail to the death of him and anyone he can take with him? He’s sitting as the equivalent of an airplane passenger during a hijack attempt post 9/11. He has no reason not to do absolutely everything to hold on to power, up to and including chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.

What does he have to lose? He doesn’t get to hide in a hole in his underwear and be hanged?

Wino on August 26, 2013 at 12:30 PM

And when in 2003, after over a decade of playing games with Saddam over abandoning WMDs, the “international community” and the UN, led by France, would not give the US and GWB a “second” explicit authorization to use force to topple him, after giving its consent just a few months before.

farsighted on August 26, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Yeah. Wasn’t it the French that supplied Saddam his nuclear reactor?

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 1:11 PM

And yet neither the “international community”, nor the UN, nor the French, called for military strikes against Saddam and his government and military back in 1988 when he used chemical weapons on Iraqi civilians.

farsighted on August 26, 2013 at 11:23 AM

At least some of the chemical attacks that were blamed on Saddam alone, were both Iraq and Iran.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM

So, Where did Syria get the neurotoxins?

jake49 on August 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I would tend not to discount Israeli communications intelligence. I’m still wondering why, when all reports over the past month or so had the Syrian army winning with the help of Hezbollah and al Qaeda led “rebels” in a panic, the government would commit suicide by using chemical weapons. Did the U.S. finally start arming the “rebels” with more and heavier weapons? I also wonder why the Israelis would join with the U.S. in supporting al Qaeda and their getting control of the chemical weapons if they win? Or do either or both or the Russians have some plan to get control of the weapons? Has al Qaeda somehow become more sane than the Iranians? I doubt it.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM

So, Where did Syria get the neurotoxins?

jake49 on August 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM

They have had them. They are not part of any treaty against chemical weapons.

There has been accusations of somewhere around a dozen attacks. Accusations against both sides, or I guess several of the “sides”. Why we are only interested in a situation where we can’t verify the Assad’s forces did it, and can’t verify if any of the Al Queezer types did others, is beyond me.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM

But I am not sitting in Israel’s shoes.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM

So, Where did Syria get the neurotoxins?

jake49 on August 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM

They make them. They got their first chemical weapons from Egypt in 1973. They make Sarin, and Tabun and are suspected of having small amounts of VX. They also make Mustard gas and perhaps Cyanide gas.

They may also have taken custody of Iraqi stockpiles moved across the border.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

But I am not sitting in Israel’s shoes.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Or walking a mile in their chair…

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

I also wonder why the Israelis would join with the U.S. in supporting al Qaeda and their getting control of the chemical weapons if they win? Or do either or both or the Russians have some plan to get control of the weapons? Has al Qaeda somehow become more sane than the Iranians? I doubt it.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The Israelis may be worried about Hezbollah getting their hands on them and firing them from Lebanon, so they back Al-Qaeda instead?

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

So, when will Operation Desert Clown kick off?

claudius on August 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Ahem. The President of The Republic of Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem, found himself at the wrong end of a bullet, and the U.S. still failed in Vietnam. We have also failed in Libya, and have arguably failed in Iraq. Whether Assad lives or dies is irrelevent to his main point – U.S. intervention in the Syrian conflict is a recipe for failure.

Mr. Arkadin on August 26, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Exactly the point I was going to make.

And who is going to blow up our ships? What military technology the Assad regime or his Russian supporters have to be able to blow up on of our ships? The Russian military is 20 years behind in military technology and they cannot blow up any of our ships…

mnjg on August 26, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Pride commeth before the fall sir. You’re the one resorting to name calling.

oryguncon on August 26, 2013 at 2:06 PM

The Israelis may be worried about Hezbollah getting their hands on them and firing them from Lebanon, so they back Al-Qaeda instead?

Certainly that is plausible. Has Iran stopped flying missiles into Syria to be transported to Lebanon for Hezbollah.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM

So, when will Operation Desert Clown kick off?

claudius on August 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Nice one. I’ll nominate that for thread winner.

This is a lose lose situation for the U.S.. If the UN inspector’s reports are inconclusive, Zero will be SOL. But he will attack anyway.

I haven’t read that he has congressional approval.

dogsoldier on August 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM

So, when will Operation Desert Clown kick off?

claudius on August 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

January 2009.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

From May 2013: Russia Sends Syria Advanced Anti-Ship Missiles: U.S. Officials

slickwillie2001 on August 26, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Yeah, and who knows what else. Here’s some info on them, from that article: The anti-ship missiles supplied by Russia are designed to keep hostile ships away from Syrian waters. They fly at just over 2.5 times the speed of sound, have a range of about 300 kilometers (185 miles) and pack a huge punch from their 200 kg (440 pound) warhead, according to Nick Brown, editor in chief of IHS Jane’s International Defense Review … “They are hard to detect and even harder to shoot down or decoy away, so they’re a powerful tool for keeping warships a long way off the Syrian shore,” Brown said.

Looking more and more like a trap (infamous Hezbollah move) … we shoot first, and get the crap kicked out of whoever fired.

Karmi on August 26, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Certainly that is plausible. Has Iran stopped flying missiles into Syria to be transported to Lebanon for Hezbollah.

rlwo2008 on August 26, 2013 at 2:09 PM

There may be a temporary halt I would guess.

I think the Israelis are wrong. Al-Qaeda is as dangerous as Hezbollah and Hezbollah isn’t running Syria which Al-Qaeda will be if they win.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I’m just sitting here and googling “run-up-to-war” and “UN resolutions before iraq war”, and “congressional authorization of use of force”. I wish there was some sort of online irony meter that I could plug these stories and “Libya” and “Syria” into.

It seems that months are a rush to war under Bush. 17 resolutions mean nothing. Congressional approval, etc. all add up to Bush being an irrational, impatient cowboy.

Obama? Wise. Measured. Confident. Clear.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Will we ave a coalition of forces for our Syrian adventure? Or will it be like Bush “going it alone” in Iraq?

Sweet. Sweet. Irony.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:24 PM

“It’s possible that the snipers are rebels looking to stir things up. If the IDF has it right, though, it’s also possible that it’s the army doing the sniping…”

Another good reason to stay the hell out of there for the time being.

The fact that good COULD be done doesn’t mean good CAN be done in these situations.

Kind of like scientists and their introductions of invasive species to cure problems. Next thing you know, the problems are different, and worse.

Meremortal on August 26, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I think the Israelis are wrong. Al-Qaeda is as dangerous as Hezbollah and Hezbollah isn’t running Syria which Al-Qaeda will be if they win.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I doubt Israel wants to see Assad lose. If the article is accurate and they’re pushing for action, I imagine it’s just something contained to eliminate the weapons themselves.

Doesn’t mean Obama can’t blow it and make bigger problems, though.

ChicagoJewishGuy on August 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Reporters are getting borded waiting for John Kerry’s 2pm presser.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I doubt Israel wants to see Assad lose. If the article is accurate and they’re pushing for action, I imagine it’s just something contained to eliminate the weapons themselves.

Doesn’t mean Obama can’t blow it and make bigger problems, though.

ChicagoJewishGuy on August 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM

They would probably just like a road map to where all of them are kept and how much. They will take care of the rest if need be.

I wonder if Assad’s successor(s) will sign any chemical weapons treaties…. hmmmm… I wonder….

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Kerry is probably down at the infirmary looking for a bandage for a paper cut, and hoping he’ll get hazardous duty pay…

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I doubt Israel wants to see Assad lose. If the article is accurate and they’re pushing for action, I imagine it’s just something contained to eliminate the weapons themselves.

That seems awfully short-sighted. Are politicians that short-sighted?
OK, silly question.

Since Assad can always make more poison gas and purchase more missiles and rockets, what is the long term benefit?

Doesn’t mean Obama can’t blow it and make bigger problems, though.

ChicagoJewishGuy on August 26, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Obama is a problem all by himself, but even without him things like this have a way of spinning out of control. What happens if Assad is toppled?

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Uh-oh. “Weapons that the civilized world, long ago agreed should never be used.” – John Kerry.

“President Obama has made it a priority to stop these weapons…” – John Kerry

“So it never happens again.” – John Kerry

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

“Don’t you dare question anything we say.” – John Kerry

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

John Kerry presser. Sweet Sweet Sweet Irony….. 5 days of stalling equates hiding of evidence. Years of stalling in Iraq? Not so much.

oldroy on August 26, 2013 at 3:02 PM

This much I’m pretty certain of………..at some point in the near future……….Damascus will be destroyed.
PappyD61 on August 26, 2013 at 8:21 AM
So? Why should we care?
Happy Nomad on August 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM

What Pappy is appealing to has to do with more than just the Middle East. Unless you are viewing the events in that region from a Biblical perspective it’s all just going to seem like a political problem. It is much bigger than that. The implications are worldwide.

Cleombrotus on August 26, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Yep.

BubbaCluck on August 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

IDF intercept shows Syrian army used chemical weapons

Bull.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 26, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Just wondering. These wouldn’t be the same, seen exiting but never found, CWs from Iraq, would they?
Nah.

mickytx on August 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM

According to Muslims everything Jews say is a lie.

So they cannot believe this either.

Let Syria mind itself.

We’ve been kicked in the face for our troubles enough times already.

profitsbeard on August 26, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Believe what you want, but our government is a proven liar…It’s all preplanned. Here’s proof of a plan to invade these very countries years ago.

http://youtu.be/pyEJ6Aja-UQ

dom89031 on August 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Those who don’t want to believe it or wear tinfoil hats will dismiss this as fabrications and further evidence that “The Zionists” are trying to bamboozle the gullible US government to “start another adventure in the Middle East”. See, the US government and its horde of intelligence analysts have probably never even heard of the “Zionist conspiracy” theories, so they’ll just take it as is.

In the real world, far away from Washington “D vs. R” partisanship and away from the edges of extreme political discourse, be it left or right, Assad has used chemical weapons before. That is just a fact.

Those who know these Arab regimes well know just fine what they’re capable of. It was clear to Israel that he is capable of such things before he went ahead and did it. But of course no one wants to believe Israel. OK, well, now you have it folks.

I think Obama is determined to do something about this. It’s now bigger than Syria and than America losing credibility. If this behaviour is not confronted then that will be the new norm, the new conventional form of warfare, and that is unacceptable.

It’s up to you Americans to decide if you want to do something about it or not. I hope Obama does the right thing.

AlexB on August 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Assad has used chemical weapons before. That is just a fact.

Who cares?

Is Al-Qaeda so precious that they should be defended here?

I think Obama is determined to do something about this. It’s now bigger than Syria and than America losing credibility.

So now its a pissing contest? Gotta attack or the guys on the block will think you are a wimp?

Obama doesn’t have any credibility to lose in any case.

If this behaviour is not confronted then that will be the new norm, the new conventional form of warfare, and that is unacceptable.

AlexB on August 26, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran. Vietnam used chemical weapons in Cambodia. The Soviets used chemical weapons in Afghanistan. Iraq used chemical weapons against the Kurds.

But other than that you have a point.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I’d also like to add something to those who think the Israeli government is trying to manipulate/cheer the US into attacking Assad.

Israeli population centers are A FEW KILOMETERS from (1) Hezbollah, (2) Assad, (3) Hamas and their hundreds of thousands of rockets / missiles when you combine them all.

Also, (4) Iran and its own array of strategic missiles capabilities which are more sophisticated than the other 3′s.

They are all aiming their missiles at Israeli population centers, and are explicitly shouting from their roof tops, lest anyone be confused, that if Syria is hit they will all hit Israel. Hamas is the most low-key of them all, but they will certainly join in. Though they are the relatively smallest threat.

I just saw in the Israeli press that they’re giving out gas masks and Atropine, which I remember were given out during the 1991 Iraq war when we thought Saddam was going to gas us.

AlexB on August 26, 2013 at 7:42 PM

We Americans who have to pay for this type of intervention should believe the liars@IDF via the liars@NSA about the liars@Syrian AlQ killers? This is insane, stay the hell out and get the GD US Government straightened out!
The gas attack was very likely a FALSE FLAG by Rebels, Israeli’s or some other POS organization in the ME!

el Vaquero on August 26, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Notice the friggin’ Israeli’s are always ready to talk up a war and then try to shove it off to the US. I thought Binni was a big war hero and all but all I see is the same old shit from da JOoos, lies and projections! BTW what were those Israeli Movers doing in US before 911?

el Vaquero on August 26, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I’m still not sure that I believe it right off. It’s felt an awful lot the last week or so that a strike has been an imminent conclusion and the GOAL not a “response” to actual happenings on the ground.

I mean, they allowed inspectors in to investigate the accused area. And what the hell? So attack Assad and put the combatants into power? How well has that turned out lately? But we seem to have found a way to make the wrong decision on practically every issue that’s come up in recent memory. And there’s felt to be a definite “push”. A push I’ve felt before…

This would perhaps explain that “push”. If they’ve genuinely known something that we don’t know.

I’m interested to hear Germany’s response to being included in this circumstance. I’d like to know what they have to say as well.

In the end, regards I still think its the wrong decision. Why is it our responsibility? The consequences are not going to be good either way. The refugee situation outside of Syria has become the most desperate in the world. You know why? Because pretty well every civilian has left, literally. So it’s combatants we leave at risk if we do nothing. WHY do WE need to dethrone Assad?

We should be voicing support for the Egyptian military openly and staying the hell out of Syria’s mess altogether.

If we strike before the UN investigation is complete, or if there is disagreement between our narrative and the UN’s or Germany now and we still strike. I’m calling bs. Something rotten in Denmark. We’ve seemed too eager, we’ve seen this play too many times, and the conclusion and true purpose are once again too murky without consensus. It doesn’t elicit trust and as a result, I don’t trust it.

Genuine on August 26, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I do not see the strategic interests of the US being much affected by which faction or monster as between Assad and the “rebels” rules Syria.

Yet, having been less than impressed (Libya? Benghazi? Hillary? Rice? Hagel? Kerry? Obama????) with the minds at the top, I am a bit leery of the whole thing.

Have they gamed out what happens when the US attacks Syria, and then Syria, Hezbollah from Lebanon, and Iran all together attack Israel? Or someone makes a successful hit on US planes or ships, etc?

Are they ready for the hot war (to replace the shadow one) with Iran?

ugottabekiddingme on August 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Would you want the international community to step in if Obama gassed a Tea Party gathering? After all its not on their soil.
meci on August 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

DECIDEDLY not the same thing. Warrenting a decidedly different response from the international community.

Are you seriously equating the Syria opposition with the Tea Party?

Genuine on August 26, 2013 at 9:13 PM

So, when will Operation Desert Clown kick off?

claudius on August 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Spouse almost fell off the chair !

Lucano on August 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM

So what do the intercepts say “Now that the UN inspectors are here, quickly fire those nerve agents.”.

Zaggs on August 26, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Also, didn’t Israeli intelligence provide intel confirming Saddam had WMD’s?

Zaggs on August 26, 2013 at 10:20 PM

“It’s possible that the snipers are rebels looking to stir things up.”

If they are being sniped at from the area that was hit, and it was supposedly the Syrian military that hit the area, why would there be Syrian army snipers in that area?

Zaggs on August 26, 2013 at 10:23 PM

And who is going to blow up our ships? What military technology the Assad regime or his Russian supporters have to be able to blow up on of our ships? The Russian military is 20 years behind in military technology and they cannot blow up any of our ships…

mnjg

Russia could. US ships are weak in the ASW area and Russia has some nice quiet diesel subs. Also ton for ton Russian ships carry more anti-ship missiles than American ships. Syria can’t, which is why Obama picked them. He wouldn’t dare take on a country like Iran. Too strong (even though their military is crap).

Zaggs on August 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM

I don’t the trust the Israelis especially after the numerous blackmail scandals in Congress (e.g. Jane Harman fiasco), so I take this report with a grain of salt. They are slightly more honorable than the crazed Islamicists which isn’t saying much. Their report defies logic because Assad is controlling the battlefield with conventional weapons and has no use for last resort weapons such as these. I smell something fishy.

Pitchforker on August 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Pitchforker on August 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM
Agree. Too many unasnwered questions. If we believe media reports, Assad has killed between 100-200 thousand Syrians. Now we are worried about chemical attacks that kill a few hundred? Is a cruise missile a WMD?

They are ginning up hysteria (not very successfully) for other reasons that are not yet clear.

virgo on August 26, 2013 at 11:02 PM

UN says the rebels used the chemicals

ama on August 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

el Vaquero on August 26, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The loons have landed.

Shy Guy on August 27, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Ed, I’ve laid in a long term supply of popcorn. I hope Obama does nothing at all unless he specifically moves in to protect the few remaining Christians in Syria. They are the only good guys around. All the other factions have been indulging in atrocities as if they were every day matter of fact things to do. When they are not dumping on each other they dump on the Christians. The Christians do not fight back. They’re powerless to do so.

So as long as Satan (Assad), the Devils (al Quaeda), and Beelzebubs peers (Iran) are killing each other it’s popcorn time. When one side looks to come out a winner, squash it a little. Lather, rinse, and repeat as needed. When the fighting finally dies out, step in, put the Christians in charge, and help them mop up. But until then, enjoy the show in its full macabre barbarity. It’ll teach us all something very real about Islam. We are watching fervent believers in Islam acting out in two and a half of the parties. (The Alawites are not really “Muslims”. But they are an offshoot of Shi’ite Islam.)

{^_^}

herself on August 27, 2013 at 4:22 AM

When the enemy of your enemy is killing each other, supply more guns to each-Sun Tzu

bigjacket on August 27, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Obama and the Democrats are more of a threat to me than Assad and all of his allies combined (that includes Russia, China & Iran).

BTW, Israel has helped Assad stay in power for decades, because he presented less of a threat to them than the other options…and, because Assad knew Israel could kill him at any time.

Assad or al-Qaeda gassing Syrians – IN Syria – does not require actions or a response from America.

In America, the Obama administration, Democrats in general, and the Federal Gov’t union/s are using the IRS and DoJ against political opponents and others who don’t fall-in-line with the Obama administration’s views and decisions. And, they are using the power of the NSA to find more political opponents and any opposition, i.e. anyone they don’t know about yet. Here’s what the Obama administration, Democrats in general, and the Federal Gov’t union/s think of me: “DHS employee behind website promoting race war on paid leave – Ayo Kimathi, an acquisitions officer for Immigration and Customs Enforcement who is in charge of buying weapons and ammunition for the government, operates the website named “War on the Horizon.” It includes descriptions of an “unavoidable, inevitable clash with the white race.” Kimathi is black.” … and people on America’s right are worried about Syrians being gassed, in Syria!?!?

I don’t think Russia and China are going to stand by and let Obama attack their ally. They will certainly want to test some of their new weapons against America’s weapons, and literally get away with it…e.g. having someone else do it or blow up the launching site of the weapons themselves, in an effort to help their ally. I certainly won’t blame them for doing it … and neither will the UN!

Karmi on August 27, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Another mess — thanks, Jimmy Carter Barry Soetero. You couldn’t think yourself out of a paper bag.

Conservchik on August 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM

When the enemy of your enemy is killing each other, supply more guns to each-Sun Tzu

bigjacket on August 27, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Let them off each other. Less for us to fight later.

Conservchik on August 27, 2013 at 11:32 AM

UN says the rebels used the chemicals

ama on August 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Link to one that please?

oldroy on August 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Link to article claiming UN inspectors are leaning towards rebels using gas

Don’t know how credible this is and why there is no other report or repeat anywhere else.

oldroy on August 27, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I think the Israelis are wrong. Al-Qaeda is as dangerous as Hezbollah and Hezbollah isn’t running Syria which Al-Qaeda will be if they win.

sharrukin on August 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Agree. Al Qaida has WMD, from a number of sources (Iran, Iraq, Egypt). I am sure they also have the means to make a phone call, which “Israel was just able to intercept”. Funny for anyone to think that Syrians have no idea they are being listened to and just go ahead with such a phone call, anyway, especially with all the NSA hoopla in recent months. Yeah, I am sure that call (or communication) clearly stated “Gas the bastards!” And not some coded phrase that only a few people are privy to. AQ is playing all sides, our tax dollars included.

Let’s hear that recording Israel has. On the other hand, wouldn’t it be nice of Israel to have a nice payback against Hussein?

riddick on August 27, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Riddick- it is not like the IDF Intelligence Branch sitting on the Golan Heights is as dumb as you and can only listen to two guys talking to each other-

they have some of the most advanced detection apparatus in the entire world…

after predicting Assad’s fall and warning that his use of chemical weapons would generate consequences, Obama is in no position to throw up his hands and do nothing. Doing so would establish a precedent that the use of chemical weapons brings no consequences from the international community.

Even more to the point, an Assad victory would not only show that a dictator could gas his own people with impunity, it would also be a strategic triumph for Iran and Hezbollah, which are heavily invested in the regime’s survival. As such, a failure to act now in Syria would more or less guarantee that Tehran would have no reason to take President Obama’s warning about their development of nuclear weapons seriously

AirForceCane on August 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Even more to the point, an Assad victory would not only show that a dictator could gas his own people with impunity,

You mean like Vietnam in Cambodia, the Soviets in Afghanistan, like Saddam did with Iran, and again Saddam did with the Kurds?

The world somehow got over it.

it would also be a strategic triumph for Iran and Hezbollah, which are heavily invested in the regime’s survival.

Or a strategic triumph for Turkey/Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda, which are heavily invested in the regime’s demise.

Al-Qaeda incinerated 3,000 Americans if you recall. Going to bat for them doesn’t sound all that clever.

As such, a failure to act now in Syria would more or less guarantee that Tehran would have no reason to take President Obama’s warning about their development of nuclear weapons seriously

AirForceCane on August 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM

And you think they are taking him seriously now? Firing a few cruise missiles won’t change the Iranian intentions. Are you suggesting a ground invasion of Syria?

sharrukin on August 27, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Riddick- it is not like the IDF Intelligence Branch sitting on the Golan Heights is as dumb as you and can only listen to two guys talking to each other-

they have some of the most advanced detection apparatus in the entire world…

AirForceCane on August 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Wow, talk about clueless… Between the two of us only one lived in Israel and I know which one.

Hussein doing something? About what, precisely? Iran building nukes for years and nothing but a “stern warning”, this time I am serious”. You are supporting an utter idiot, all time moron, on all levels, and you expect me to take any of your posted crap seriously?

Like I said, let’s hear Kerry’s proof, Israel’s supposed communication intercept, whatever. Right now there is no proof. No proof the attack actually took place. I’ve seen same pictures and videos you did, I see nothing on them that proves anything. Save for arab’s now proven habit of staging such videos and pictures.

Why would Assad, having an upper hand, resort to WMD? Had it not been for Hussein arming Al Qaida, or “rebels” in his and your speak, this entire conflict would have been over a while back. Why are we supporting Al Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood in this conflict when we already have factual proof of such “support” and its consequences.

Israel distributing masks is not against an attack from Assad, you idiot, it is against an attack from our “USA friends” Al Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood, who now have their hands on WMD. Assad never attacked Israel and never will, he’s not suicidal and knows Israel can reach him at will, as they already demonstrated a few times.

So, yes, I will repeat once again. Don’t be a moron and stop repeating Hussein’s talking points. Hell will freeze over sooner than you will hear truth from the Idiot’s mouth.

riddick on August 27, 2013 at 2:28 PM

BTW, some interesting information from actual experts, that do support my points above either fake videos or WMD use by Al Qaida, or both. From Blaze, just some of the points:
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Dan Kaszeta, described as a leading private consultant and former U.S. Army Chemical Corps officer, pointed out to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz last week that the footage of the aftermath of last week’s attack left gaping questions.

“None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear,” he said. “And despite that, none of them seem to be harmed.”

Haaretz explained that point “would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons, including the vast majority of nerve gases, since these substances would not evaporate immediately, especially if they were used in sufficient quantities to kill hundreds of people, but rather leave a level of contamination on clothes and bodies which would harm anyone coming in unprotected contact with them in the hours after an attack.”

Jerome Corsi of World Net Daily wrote that “reliable Middle Eastern sources” say they have evidence those behind the attack were rebel forces, not Assad’s.
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More info available there.

Hussein lied. Kerry lied. Congress has not approved going to war. And yet, here we are…

riddick on August 27, 2013 at 3:15 PM

More info available there.

Hussein lied. Kerry lied. Congress has not approved going to war. And yet, here we are…

riddick on August 27, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Chlorine?

oldroy on August 27, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Also the idea that no doctor or hospital would save any kind of evidence? How is that going to happen? Sounds like we’re going to need a big stack of non-disclosure agreements.

oldroy on August 27, 2013 at 3:42 PM

False flag. The IDF has made this up out of whole cloth. No intelligence agency EVER tells the truth publicly and no intelligence agency EVER tells about what capability they possess.

Many Americans and Brits died in German operations in order to preserve the secret that the Allies had broken the German code and knew in advance everything the Nazis were planning.

This thread is entertaining but it has all the nutritional value of county fair cotton candy.

platypus on August 27, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Assad must be one dumb SOB to do this with UN inspectors down the street…
Really?

Byrd Machine on August 27, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It seems awfully stupid to even care that Mohams are using chemical weapons on other Mohams.

I still think the attack in Syria was O’s Muzzie Bros. After all, the KLA used chemical weapons against their own people in Sarajevo to gain worldwide sympathy.

If Putin were really the uber-macho man that so many folks think he is, he’d threaten to nuke us if we try to interfere. Instead, he’s already skulking about with his tail between his legs. And America will end up fighting for the wrong side again (the Moham side is always the wrong side, even when both sides are Moham), and we’ll see a new influx of Moham “refugees.”

TXJenny on August 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM

*correction: not KLA, but Moham Bosnian govt

TXJenny on August 27, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Arabs newest invention since the zero…peek a boo sheets!

texasgoat on August 28, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Manatee boy was here. Lol!

Bmore on August 28, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Karmi on August 27, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Maybe they could use harpoons. You have some experience with those don’t ya Karmi?

Bmore on August 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

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