Krauthammer: The govt intrudes in pretty much everything, and “now it’s going to regulate graduation rates?”

posted at 11:21 am on August 23, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

More on President Obama’s new plan to capture the attention of young voters while also just happening to mention that health care law for which they should really sign up, by the way try to help guide the country’s tuition inflation problem on a downward trajectory. House Education & Workforce Committee Chairman John Kline was skeptical that the proposal will really amount to all it’s cracked up to be, and warned of the economic dangers of more federal intervention in the education market:

While I am pleased the president’s new plan recognizes the importance of promoting innovation and competition in higher education, I remain concerned that imposing an arbitrary college ranking system could curtail the very innovation we hope to encourage – and even lead to federal price controls. As always, the devil is in the details, and I look forward to examining the president’s proposal further as part of the committee’s ongoing efforts to reauthorize the Higher Education Act and help improve college affordability and access.

And as I argued yesterday, the administration’s supposedly competition-focused proposed solution to tuition inflation and ballooning loads of student debt really just tiptoes around the edges of the underlying problem without actually getting at it — the underlying problem, of course, being the cheap and easily attainable federally-subsidized students loans that influence students’ decision-making as well as heightens demand. Richard Vedder at Bloomberg explains that a few parts of the plan might be good in theory, but it still isn’t fixing and might even be worsening that rather glaring hitch:

The president’s proposal has one very bad idea: a forgiveness boon for those paying off loans right now. The proposal, limiting loan payments to 10 percent of income, potentially relieves millions of students from repaying part of their obligation. So why not major in fields the economy values least — anthropology or drama instead of engineering or math — if you don’t have to worry about earning enough to pay off your student loans over a certain period?

The idea simply raises incentives for future students to borrow more money, if they know their obligation to pay it back is capped. That, in turn, allows colleges to keep raising costs.

Obama proposes to ignore or worsen the root cause of much of the explosion in student costs: the federal financial assistance programs that encourage schools to raise costs and that haven’t achieved their goals of providing college access to low-income Americans.

Vedder explains another side effect wherein the plan could actually kill the educational innovation that it claims to want to spur — just like so many of the Obama administration’s other grandiose economic schemes that may have had lovely intentions but in practice are fraught with unintended consequences. As Charles Krauthammer put it last night, is “the federal government not intrusive enough in all other areas of our life and now it’s going to regulate graduation rates? … I think there are things that ought to be organic and independent and higher education is one of them.”


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“Shiny object…over there” — obama, the spineless corrupt thug of the US of Zimbabwe

Schadenfreude on August 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Was there a particular day that Krauthammer changed his mind about Obama? I coulda sworn he was in favor of him at one point…

happytobehere on August 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM

oh please, the university scam might be the fundamental pillar that keeps the Democrat party in business. THERE WILL BE NO REFORM.

rob verdi on August 23, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Well since we’re grading on a curve here, I suspect that this new effort will “succeed” as much as the hysterically named “Jobs Council” has.

Defenestratus on August 23, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The retard with no experience in anything creates another scheme to fix something and then hands off the planning to acolytes who are even more retarded than him, what could possibly go wrong.

Hear that beeping sound, it’s the double-trailer semi backing up into my yard to drop off more sandbags and barbed wire, I don’t think I have enough.

Bishop on August 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

More federal intervention? What, tuition prices aren’t already high enough as it is?

NotCoach on August 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Let’s hire an unintelligent, evil, moral degenerate to the highest office!

Who is with me?

Murphy9 on August 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Graduation is a human right, don’t you know? /

nobar on August 23, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Drudge sums up what’s wrong with the land…yes, yes, it’s all on the same topic, the US of Zimbabwe

‘A BRAND NEW DAY IS COMING’…

Sebelius: Pass Immigration to Boost Obamacare Enrollment…

Boehner blocks shutdown…

Tells GOP to fund gov’t…

Schadenfreude on August 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM

So the solution to this problem turned out to me the same as the solution to ever other problem Obama ever faced: a larger and more intrusive federal government. Boy, was I shocked.

Fred 2 on August 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The centralized dumbing down of America…

PatriotRider on August 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Hear that beeping sound, it’s the double-trailer semi backing up into my yard to drop off more sandbags and barbed wire, I don’t think I have enough.

Bishop on August 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

May I suggest a backhoe, rebar and concrete for a nice bunker as an attractive supplement to the sandbags and wire?

hawkeye54 on August 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

“Shiny object…over there” — obama, the spineless corrupt thug of the US of Zimbabwe

Schadenfreude on August 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Squirrels are shiny now?

Gingotts on August 23, 2013 at 11:43 AM

The centralized dumbing down of America…

PatriotRider on August 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yes indeed. And only one aspect of the Hope and Change for America project, still going strong.

hawkeye54 on August 23, 2013 at 11:45 AM

We are all Harvard Law Review editors now …

ShainS on August 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM

A BRAND NEW DAY IS COMING’…

Sebelius: Pass Immigration to Boost Obamacare Enrollment…

Boehner blocks shutdown…

Tells GOP to fund gov’t…and go sit in the corner and shut up.

Schadenfreude on August 23, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Just to make it complete.

hawkeye54 on August 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Result: College degree will be devalued just as high school education has been devalued.

earlgrey133 on August 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM

There are already innovators in higher education who are providing a quality product to students at an affordable rate, almost all of them online. Western Governors University, American Public University System, and Oplerno are just a few examples of innovators who are leading away from expensive bricks and mortar institutions with “cadillac” student centers to affordable, no nonsense institutions where learning is job one. Higher ed doesn’t need interference from “The One” and his cadre of ostensible do-gooders (read that control freaks). In this, as with everything else into which they stick their lack-of-experience noses, innovation comes from competition.

College Prof on August 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM

The proposal, limiting loan payments to 10 percent of income, potentially relieves millions of students from repaying part of their obligation.

I might find this proposal acceptable if it was amended so that the college was required to must make the difference.

agmartin on August 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM

is “the federal government not intrusive enough in all other areas of our life

If you ask a Liberal, the government can never be intrusive enough. Progressives know best, according to them.

Liberals want ‘free’ healthcare, education, food, housing, etc. It is typical Marxist/Communist doctrine. One big happy family.

They don’t understand that all that giving ‘free’ stuff to people does is make them lazy and unproductive.

Remember, for a Liberal, it is never about getting rid of a problem. It is about capitalizing on it for all it’s worth. Especially when it comes to issues of ‘equality’ and education. They have to keep the ‘high ground’ on issues like this, so actually fixing it is not an option. All they want to do is give the illusion of fixing it, so it can be brought up again in future years to be ‘fixed’ once again. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Patriot Vet on August 23, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Result: College degree will be devalued just as high school education has been devalued.

earlgrey133 on August 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM

We’re already there.

Did you see the article this week that 26% of the high schoolers that take the ACT are college ready? And yet we have this idea that everybody needs a college degree. They have no job when they graduate and many have debt but, hey, college is a right or something.

Happy Nomad on August 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Life is harsh. These lessons need to be taught early not put off and put off until the individual is too old to recover from the consequences. Having the attitude that anyone who gets into college is above average and therefore should never get an average or below grade. You fail, you are on probation. Fail again, you are kicked out. I don’t care what minority or socio-economic group you belong to or how much influence Daddy has with the administration. Earn the seat in the classroom or vacate it for someone who has earned it. A degree should be earned and not bought.

DAT60A3 on August 23, 2013 at 12:08 PM

House Education & Workforce Committee

Are you serious?

Cleombrotus on August 23, 2013 at 12:09 PM

To paraphrase ex-Senator Jim Sasser (D-TN):

There too much graduatin’ goin’ on!

Another Drew on August 23, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I might find this proposal acceptable if it was amended so that the college was required to must make the difference.

agmartin on August 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM

That won’t happen. The whole system is designed to pay off lefty professors. It’s the reason why the foremost voice on this issue from the Left (Elizabeth Warren) will only talk about student loan interest rates without talking about principal (a.k.a. tuition and fees).

One policy change that has to be made is an end to arbitrary college tuition increases once a student enrolls. Colleges are free to increase at rates above inflation, leaving current students with the choice of losing credits upon transfer or paying higher tuition.

blammm on August 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM

May I suggest a backhoe, rebar and concrete for a nice bunker as an attractive supplement to the sandbags and wire?

Plus, it’s an excellent place to mount the Ma-Deuce!

Another Drew on August 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Doesn’t Affirmative Action already ‘regulate graduation rates’?

slickwillie2001 on August 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Liberals want ‘free’ healthcare, education, food, housing, etc. It is typical Marxist/Communist doctrine. One big happy family.

What about free cars from Government Motors?

Another Drew on August 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Thinking about this.. yeah, the devil’s in the details.

Be interesting to see if this comes down to not so much regulating the colleges but regulating the students. Students will no longer be allowed to enter and take courses they normally would or graduate when they normally would…. unless they met certain new politically correct standards.

Yeah.. Government will only allow 20 art/medical/law students to graduate this year and even though this was scheduled to be your last year… you must wait until you receive further notice. Your last year has been postponed. (of course, your involvement in certain pro-life and other conservative activities had nothing to do with this decision.) Your load repayment will begin immediately.

JellyToast on August 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM

When you take the Series 7 exam to become a stockbroker, the sanctioning testing body came up with a clever approach.

They only want so many new registered rep in the system as to not overburden the system with rookie brokers. So they gauge the testing to weed out the masses.

You see, if x-amount of people pass the test at 10am eastern, they increase the difficulty throughout the day of the tests for the central and west coast. This lessens the influx of people actually passing the exam as a natural balance. Hence, only the stronger and smarter test takers in Central and West pass and become registered.

They, in essence, create a smarter and stronger financial rep who will be better suited to compete against a predominate east coast firms and brokers.

This is how the political elite should view competition. Rather than promote a dummied-down educational process, they need to focus on the benefits that not all students are entitled to success just for showing up. If the bar is set high, the winners will just have no choice but to jump higher.

Just showing up is destroying our rank in the world standings.

Not showing up is what drives this administration.

patman77 on August 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Aside from the Fed Gov intervention – here is what I find “odd”

K-12th grade is thrown a ton of more money each year, with declining results – guided by the Feds. Results do not matter. And God forbid vouchers, aka “choice” is allowed.

However, at the college level – Obama and his Admin are claiming they will “reward” colleges and U’s that “keep costs down and results – i.e. graduation rates”, will get more Fed money.

So the Union fueled K-12 system is rewarded for crap results and spending “more”, while the college system will only get “more” if they lower costs and increase results…

Odie1941 on August 23, 2013 at 12:22 PM

You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

John the Libertarian on August 23, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Why don’t we just start by cutting government backed student loans in 1/4. That should get the ball rolling on tuition deflation.

besser tot als rot on August 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM

All this will do is make a college degree as worthless as a HS degree because the colleges will have the same incentive that HSs do to just push people through to graduation, whether they deserve to be advanced or not.

besser tot als rot on August 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM

patman77 on August 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

It doesn’t occur throughout a single day – it occurs over a quarter and year. Similar to Real Estate State licensing.

Series 7 takes a total of 5 hours – 2 for part 1 – with a mandatory 1 hour break, then Part 2 in the next 2 hours. You cannot take and complete the test by 10 AM.

Also – while the East Coast may have more brokerages – technology has changed the quality of brokerage and the availability of brokerages to execute trades. And the only requirement to take the test is to be 18, not a criminal (grey area there) – and spend at least 90 days with a sponsored brokerage. You also sign up for the test ahead of time – so the NASD knows exactly how many are taking it ahead of time – and take additional registration fees of licensed agents. Hence the quarter/year determination.

I am pretty sure I would have gotten a 92 whether I took it on the East Coast or West Coast, regardless of the time of day or year.

Odie1941 on August 23, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Liberals have turned education into a cash cow whereby they collect money for intentionally poor service. Totally worthless humans.

Murphy9 on August 23, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Doesn’t Affirmative Action already ‘regulate graduation rates’?

slickwillie2001 on August 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Not quite; it merely graduates the incurably stupid.

MelonCollie on August 23, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Hear that beeping sound, it’s the double-trailer semi backing up into my yard to drop off more sandbags and barbed wire, I don’t think I have enough.

Bishop on August 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Why bother? Obama brown shirts will just end up taking it back and giving it to your lazy azz neighbor.

:)

wsucoug on August 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Add the 3% of GDP that higher education represents to the 16% GDP that health care represents. He is nationalizing almost 20% of the GDP.

Viator on August 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

More government intervention? Why worry now, after you’ve been subjected to the stings of a thousand scorpians, don’t cry about mere mosquitoes. It’s over–it’s far too late and nothing short of “Nature’s God” can save America now.
If you don’t think so–then you merely provide evidence as to how far gone we really are. Just as, right after the Titanic’s party revelers were picking up ice for their cocktails, we’re not too concerned about that little old bump.

Don L on August 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM

president’s plan doesn’t go far enough
-msdnc talking head

as one talking head said yesterday…let’s nationalize colleges!

cmsinaz on August 23, 2013 at 12:45 PM

oh goody, president is speaking at town hall right now
-lsm

cmsinaz on August 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM

This is how the political elite should view competition. Rather than promote a dummied-down educational process, they need to focus on the benefits that not all students are entitled to success just for showing up. If the bar is set high, the winners will just have no choice but to jump higher.

patman77 on August 23, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Aren’t you assuming that the leaders actually wish to have well educated voters…..?

Don L on August 23, 2013 at 12:53 PM

College Prof on August 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Careful there, Professor. You better not be using a University network connected computer to post stuff like that. Could be dangerous to your job securtity. Hopefully, campus security is on a coffee break just now.

NOMOBO on August 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Odie1941

I didn’t go into all the minutia because it wasn’t part of my point.

When I took the test, it was graded on a daily basis. And yes, you had to be sponsored by a firm to test. Not for 90-days though. There was no quarter year determination.

Anyhow, my point was that smart people new how to build an industry, not destroy it.

patman77 on August 23, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Liberals want ‘free’ healthcare, education, food, housing, etc. It is typical Marxist/Communist doctrine. One big happy family.

What about free cars from Government Motors?

Another Drew on August 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM

That is what the ‘etc.’ was for. There is most likely more than that; like cellphones and income (unemployment and SSID). I couldn’t list them all. New ones keep popping up every day.

Patriot Vet on August 23, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Welcome to Lake Wobegon University, where all students are above average….

IndieDogg on August 23, 2013 at 12:58 PM

As a general rule, if Obama is for it…..it’s not good for America.

He’s the DOTUS (by intent or accident).

Once you realize that, it all makes everything clear.

Krauthammer isn’t there yet though.

PappyD61 on August 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Just about time now for another pivot to the economy!

HiJack on August 23, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Coburn must be getting pressure in Red State Oklahoma.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-senator-obama-getting-perilously-close-to-impeachment/

Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) warned on Wednesday in a speech at a local Civic Center that President Barack Obama was veering “perilously close” to the standards of conduct necessary to be impeached. In a video uncovered by BuzzFeed, Coburn warned that the Congress may have to act if Obama does not alter course in the coming months.

“What you have to do is you have to establish the criteria that would qualify for proceedings against the president and that’s called impeachment,” Coburn said in response to a question. “That’s not something you take lightly and you have to use a historical precedent of what that means.”

“I think there’s some intended violation of the law in this administration, but I also think there’s a ton of incompetence of people who are making decisions,” Coburn continued.

When pressed by a constituent to explain why the president is not forced by law to behave in the same way that average Americans are by the Internal Revenue Service, Coburn said he agreed.

“My little wiggle out of that when I get that written to me is I believe that needs to be evaluated and determined, but thank goodness it doesn’t have to happen in the Senate until they’ve brought charges in the House,” he said. “Those are serious things but we’re in a serious time.”

“I don’t have the legal background to know if that rises to high crimes and misdemeanor but I think they’re getting perilously close,” Coburn added.

The Oklahoma Senator called Obama a “personal friend” and sympathized with his “difficult position.” However, Coburn noted that it was a position of his own making.

“I think we’re going to have another constitutional crisis in our country in terms of the presidency,” he concluded.

Well come on………DO IT.

PappyD61 on August 23, 2013 at 1:26 PM

This helps to explain why the Rhode Island School of Design is building their major addition to the College of Illustration Studies complex. Much more room for their 3 credit courses in T-shirt silk screening and Comic Book Narrative classes.

DarthBrooks on August 23, 2013 at 1:44 PM

The Obama admin pointedly explains they don’t need congressional approval to do this. So that whole questioning of the effect of federal controls on innovation, on the devil being in the details, on any kind of debate, as with ObamaCare, will all be bypassed. Obama knows best. Because he cares.

/horsecrap

Paul-Cincy on August 23, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Why bother? Obama brown shirts will just end up taking it back and giving it to your lazy azz neighbor.

:)

wsucoug on August 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Nah, the brown shirts will just make you subdivide your house….one family or four lazy a$$ people per room, and board for all, at your expense.

If you are lucky they may be considered dependents and tax deductible, but don’t count on it.

hawkeye54 on August 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Obama thinks academics make the world go ’round. Your worth as a human being depends on how many degrees you have, and everyone should be guaranteed a college education. It’s your ticket to a productive life…in ObamaWorld, anyway.

There are far too many kids in college who don’t belong there. John Ratzenberger (Cliff from “Cheers”) works to promote trade schools. I know someone who is the CFO of a midsize homebuilder, and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to find plumbers, electricians, masons, etc.

It’s good, honest work (and can be very lucrative). Tradespeople are going to be in more and more demand, too–people used to teach their kids how to keep up a house, be marginally competent do-it-yourselfers. I get the impression a lot of young people wouldn’t know how to open a can of paint.

Or maybe with their fancy degrees they think it’s beneath them.

Meredith on August 23, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Because the News & World Report college rankings have always been so accurate and informative, we should really do that as a government service………..
/s

GWB on August 23, 2013 at 4:35 PM

The govt intrudes in pretty much everything

Dems and socialists think this is a good thing. The more the better. As long as they are in charge. And they are, for the most part, even when an R follows the President’s name. The government bureaucracy is overwhelmingly staffed by liberal Dems.

It is how they hope to socially and economically engineer the nation, our society, and our culture — the socialist way.

What percentage of government programs created since FDR’s time then have been eliminated? About 0.0000001% or less?

And where they cannot force the government to intrude, America’s socialist brown shirts scream, yell, and bully. They call people and groups names, they publicly disrupt meetings and events, they try to intimidate with public slandering and their bullying “protests”, and they generally behave like trolls on a blog.

The MSM, the Tinseltown crowd, and much of the so-called “entertainment” industry joins in — the musicians, comedians, etc.

Some recent themes promoted by America’s socialist brown shirts — “Islamaphobia”, the War on Women, the “racist” Tea Party, St. Trayvon the Martyr, Zimmerman the racist murderer who “got away with it”, most gun owners are essentially nuts (followed by a call for more background checking, giving a clue about what will be considered nutty in the future), and so on and so forth.

farsighted on August 23, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Who was it that said, “One day you’ll just wake up and realize you live in a socialist country”? Well, we’re getting there quickly.

Ward Cleaver on August 23, 2013 at 6:24 PM

all hail j, all hail j, all hail j.

err j is gone

all hail k, all hail k, all hail k.

change j to o and k to h….now you got it.

you may go to college now.

losarkos on August 24, 2013 at 1:40 AM