Hmmm: Christie starting to slip among Democrats in New Jersey

posted at 11:21 am on August 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Good news for our many, many resident Christie-haters. He’s still going to win the election, almost certainly by double digits too, so his basic 2016 narrative as the guy who can conquer blue states that would vanquish other Republicans will remain intact. But Nate Cohn’s right: The more Democrats he loses on party lines to a weak unknown state opponent, the harder it’ll be for him to argue that national Democrats and independents will catch Christie fee-vah three years from now.

If you’re a Rand Paul fan who nonetheless wants Republican governors in control of the states, your magic number here is 51 percent.

The newest Monmouth University survey shows Christie holding a 20 point lead, 56 to 36, over Buono. That’s a 10 point decline from June, when Christie was up by 30 points, 61 to 31. It’s not surprising that the race is tightening: if you didn’t support Christie a few months ago, you were probably a Democratic-leaner who was going to end up with the Democrat. But the most significant part, as Enten observed, is that Christie’s support has actually declined by 5 points. Indeed, the poll shows that Christie’s support among Democrats has fallen from 36 percent to 21 percent. At the same time, Buono got closer to unifying New Jersey’s Democrats. She’s now at 71 percent, up from 59 percent in June. Christie’s support among independents has held firm…

According to just about every reported piece on the matter, the Christie camp wants to win by a massive margin. The type of margin that proves Christie can broaden the Republican coalition and force even the most reluctant conservatives to pay attention. But if Christie keeps bleeding Democrats, he might not get his wish. In 2009, 41 percent of voters were Democrats; just 31 percent were Republicans. If Buono continues to unify Democrats and manages a relatively unimpressive 85 percent of the Democratic vote, she’ll manage to get up into the low-to-mid forties—even if she still loses independents by a massive margin…

Would a 57-43 victory satisfy the Christie camp? What about 55-45? Hard to say. It would be impressive in my book: The best showing by a New Jersey Republican seeking the governorship, senate, or presidency in my lifetime. But it might be somewhat underwhelming or even disappointing in comparison to the gargantuan, 40 point lead he held early in the race, when he was still riding a post-Sandy, post-Obama bump.

His favorable rating in the new Monmouth Poll among indies is a robust 65/23. Among Democrats, it’s 32/61. Cohn’s writing for liberal TNR but if Christie sputters with Democratic voters in November — or, more significantly, starts to bleed independent votes — you’re way more likely to hear this point pushed next year by Republican critics, as a dagger to his “electability.” Yeah, yeah, they’ll say, it’s impressive to be reelected in a Democratic state, but who knows what might have happened if not for all the local residual goodwill he earned from the fluke of Sandy? People pull together behind the chief executive in the aftermath of a crisis; Bush’s approval rating zoomed to upwards of 90 percent after 9/11. Christie won’t have that sort of goodwill waiting for him nationally. Besides, he’s bound to start pandering to conservatives more after November to prepare for 2016 and the national Democratic press shop will make sure that their base hears about all of it. Right now Ted Cruz is liberal public enemy number one, but next year it’ll be Christie — especially if he wins by the gigantic margin his team is hoping for. They already have an election playbook for dogmatic righties like Paul and Cruz, but they’ll want to get started early tearing down someone more heterodox like the big guy.

Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey? Just political gravity at work, aided by Democratic attack ads? I’m tempted to say that his half-panders to the right on medical marijuana and gun rights have started to hurt him, but those were actually bigger panders to the left: He agreed to liberalize MM for kids subject to a few tweaks to the current bill and he signed several gun-control bills before carving out a symbolic exception for .50-caliber rifles. If that’s too “right-wing” for Jersey Dems, he’s playing to a tougher crowd than I thought.

Update: Touche.


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Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?

Could be all the talk of him running against Hillary. And the memories of his Obama embrace are starting to fade away.

bluegill on August 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Christie better give Obama a foot rub in public, pronto.

portlandon on August 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I would think the past two national election would make it clear to the Establishment:

When Democrats have a choice between Democrat and “Democrat-Lite” like Christie, they will ALWAYS come home to the Democrat.

Just like the media LOVES a moderate like Romney… until he runs against a liberal, Democrats LOVE a Democrat-Lite like Christie… until he runs against a Democrat.

makattak on August 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

It been a few months since he and Barack hang out together. The big guy needs to call Barack up and meet with him and together they can give the middle finger to those crazy nutcase people called conservatives.

BroncosRock on August 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Hmmm: Christie starting to slip among Democrats in New Jersey

Well, time to attack Rand Paul again. That outta do it.

Ozprey on August 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey? Just political gravity at work, aided by Democratic attack ads?

I don’t live in Jersey. But my guess is a combination of Democrat voters remembering they’re Democrat voters and that CRISTie’s a Republican along with the economy in the state still sucking and the Sandy relief effort not being quite as fantastic as the national media would like us to believe.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Maybe randomly yelling at people will fix this.

tetriskid on August 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

It’s called Maverick Brand ™ democrat support. It’s there when you’re being all mavericky against conservatives, but as soon as election time comes, it evaporates. It’s perfectly illustrated by Charlie Brown’s attempt to kick the football.

Flange on August 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Hmmm: Christie starting to slip among Democrats in New Jersey

Maybe he could Tweet his Junk??

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

You talk of political gravity, AllahP? Well here is political reality:

1. Democrats ALWAYS vote for other Democrats, irrespective of their failings.

2. Conservatives MOSTLY vote for RINOs (so-called “moderate” Republicans) or simply stay home.

3. RINOs will SOMETIMES vote for Conservatives (the type that won’t rock the boat much) but MOSTLY pull the trigger for Democrats.

TheRightMan on August 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

“Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?”

Really? The answer is simple: they’re Democrats, he’s a Republican. The closer it gets to the election, the fewer Democrats who will support him.

It’s what happens with every “moderate” Republican.

Greg Q on August 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Maybe he could Tweet his Junk??

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Assuming he can find it…./

Ozprey on August 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Just like the media LOVES a moderate like Romney… until he runs against a liberal, Democrats LOVE a Democrat-Lite like Christie… until he runs against a Democrat.

Needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the biggest of ways.

To all RINOs: Just because Democrats act like you’re an AMAZING REPUBLICAN doesn’t mean they won’t unleash the hatred when it looks like they stand to lose a seat to you.

mintycrys on August 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?

Defying gravity has never been a problem for Christie.

It is one thing to see a “Republican” dry-humping Obama days before a Presidential election. But when you’re a NJ Dem and Killary supporter, you’ll eventually realize that not all the Christie for President talk has him running as a Republican.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Maybe Preezy will go to NJ so Christie can win him another stuffed animal on the boardwalk…

workingclass artist on August 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?

Hillary.

nobar on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Well at least he can rely upon his stellar untarnished support among conservatives in the GOP base, eh? Eh? Eh.

Gingotts on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Just because Democrats act like you’re an AMAZING REPUBLICAN doesn’t mean they won’t unleash the hatred when it looks like they stand to lose a seat to you.

mintycrys on August 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I’d add that the GOP should try running a conservative and see how that works out for them for a change. The RNC made a good first step in telling those networks off but what really has to happen is for Republicans tell the media that they are not going to pick our candidate. And the individual who becomes the candidate needs to be somebody that doesn’t attack social conservatives as an out-of-the-mainstream fringe.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I would think the past two national election would make it clear to the Establishment:

When Democrats have a choice between Democrat and “Democrat-Lite” like Christie, they will ALWAYS come home to the Democrat.

Just like the media LOVES a moderate like Romney… until he runs against a liberal, Democrats LOVE a Democrat-Lite like Christie… until he runs against a Democrat.

makattak on August 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

One would think it wouldn’t require yet another drubbing in a Presidential election for the GOP elites to figure this out. Nominate a candidate who will get the base voters out. Sure, you want to appeal to Democrats and independents, but that needs to be your insurance policy, not your primary focus in the election. Cuz if it’s the latter, you’ve already lost.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?

Hillary.

nobar on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

His endorsement of Steve Lonegan can’t be helping matters much.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Well at least he can rely upon his stellar untarnished support among conservatives in the GOP base, eh? Eh? Eh.

Gingotts on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You mean the folks that he goes out of his way to sneer at and spit on? Yeah, there are many many Christie-haters at HA but that’s all his doing. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t want to hear from conservatives especially the SoCon variety.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

What to do, what to do…?

Let’s see…Any blacks recently killed in self-defense by a white/white-Hispanic with a gun?

How about a show of ‘solidarity’ with and support for Manning’s ‘civil right’ to have a sex change in prison? (this is a twofer: pro-homosexual pandering and fighting against the War on Women)

Portlandon’s idea of a public foot rub for Obama might be helpful, too.

So many possibilities!

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Well at least he can rely upon his stellar untarnished support among conservatives in the GOP base, eh? Eh? Eh.

Gingotts on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You mean the folks that he goes out of his way to sneer at and spit on? Yeah, there are many many Christie-haters at HA but that’s all his doing. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t want to hear from conservatives especially the SoCon variety.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Damn, son. Many of our fellow HA commenters don’t want to hear from conservatives of the SoCon(tm) variety.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Good news for our many, many resident Christie-haters.

I kind of object to that PC-style term. Being critical is not automatically ‘hate’. If anyone wants to see real hate, check out some of the things the trolls here say every chance they pop in to hijack, deflect from, or otherwise mess up a thread and willfully slander us Conservatives either collectively or singularly.

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Nominate a candidate who will get the base voters out. Sure, you want to appeal to Democrats and independents, but that needs to be your insurance policy, not your primary focus in the election. Cuz if it’s the latter, you’ve already lost.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

If you’re looking for a candidate that will get the little old ladies out there working their neighborhoods to get the vote out in middle America- a fat liberal bully from NJ is not the right choice. Now if you’re looking to get glowing endorsements from the NYT and WaPo in the primaries, lard butt is the best choice.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Hard to say for sure, but I suspect Christie has lost support from Democrats over the whole Senate special election finagling, his grandstanding with the TV ads (if you didn’t know, the state has been running these feel-good “stronger than the storm” ads all summer to get people to come back to the Shore, and Christie is in them) and all the talk of him running for President.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Great story, Democrats turning on Democrats. Democrats, excuse me. Demorats.

DDay on August 22, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Not all that difficult to understand.

Summation.

Bmore on August 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Christie? Who?

As a New Jersey voter I’d be interested in learning who this candidate is, and what his positions are on the issues of the day.

MTF on August 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

time to bash some more conservatives in his party

DanMan on August 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Why vote for a democrat wannabe when you can vote for the real thing?

trs on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

If you’re looking for a candidate that will get the little old ladies out there working their neighborhoods to get the vote out in middle America- a fat liberal bully from NJ is not the right choice. Now if you’re looking to get glowing endorsements from the NYT and WaPo in the primaries, lard butt is the best choice.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

That’s what amazes me the most about the sheer ignorance coming from the GOP donors and elites regarding a CRISTie Presidential run. Women will not vote for this guy. He’s abrasive and grossly overweight. I’m not saying our candidate needs to be someone female voters would be willing to date or boink(although that sure helped Bubba and Barry), but he also can’t be a complete turnoff like CRISTie.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

One would think it wouldn’t require yet another drubbing in a Presidential election for the GOP elites to figure this out. Nominate a candidate who will get the base voters out. Sure, you want to appeal to Democrats and independents, but that needs to be your insurance policy, not your primary focus in the election. Cuz if it’s the latter, you’ve already lost.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

You think the conservative base equals 51% of voters in a Presidential election? Look at the previously Republican states Obama won in 2008 and/or 2012 (i.e. Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Florida) and tell me how a staunch conservative wins those states. I’m not saying Christie can win them either, but the numbers do not lie and any Republican who wants to win in 2016 has to have some appeal to Denmocrats and a LOT of appeal to independents.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Jesse “condemns” killing:

People who were wondering whether Jesse Jackson would ever respond to the killing of an Australian collegiate baseball player by three “bored” teens in Oklahoma, one of whom allegedly posted racist tweets, got their answer today. Jackson’s early Wednesday morning tweet read as follows: “Praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2013/08/22/jesse-jacksons-tepid-tweet-murder-white-australian-three-bored-teens-fro

“Frowned upon” That’s telling ‘em, Jesse, you race baiting scumbag.

davidk on August 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Slip? Like on a banana peel? That would be hilarial.

Akzed on August 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM

If Cristie wins anything, it will be without my vote.

davidk on August 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM

That’s what amazes me the most about the sheer ignorance coming from the GOP donors and elites regarding a CRISTie Presidential run. Women will not vote for this guy. He’s abrasive and grossly overweight. I’m not saying our candidate needs to be someone female voters would be willing to date or boink(although that sure helped Bubba and Barry), but he also can’t be a complete turnoff like CRISTie.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Very good point, even if you like Christie as I do. I would love to see some national polling on him by gender.

Republican donors and elites have never been the sharpest knives in the block about who can actually win an election.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

First rule of politics: Never trust a Democrat, they are liars and will say anything to get what they want.

Tater Salad on August 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Well at least he can rely upon his stellar untarnished support among conservatives in the GOP base, eh? Eh? Eh.

Gingotts on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

You mean the folks that he goes out of his way to sneer at and spit on? Yeah, there are many many Christie-haters at HA but that’s all his doing. He’s made it clear that he doesn’t want to hear from conservatives especially the SoCon variety.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Damn, son. Many of our fellow HA commenters don’t want to hear from conservatives of the SoCon(tm) variety.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

True dat, gryphon202.

davidk on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Well, as long as he’s got those independents. The independents will carry the day for him. Just like they did for Romney. Remember — Romney didn’t need conservative grassroots support. In fact, they could all go to hell. He had the independents. And as we all know, that’s the key. Go Romney! Go Christie!

rrpjr on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

His endorsement of Steve Lonegan can’t be helping matters much.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

THIS is the reason.

I have to say, I had never heard of, or heard from Lonegan, until
this week he was on Fox and Friends one morning.

I was impressed with the guy….he sounded like an all American
man with the kind of experiences that I USED to think most
people have….he’s not afraid to espouse Conservative
values…so naturally, Democrats are going to be turned off…

EFF EM.

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Maybe randomly yelling at people will fix this.
tetriskid on August 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Haha, that’s his specialty.

bluegill on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

How come Republicans that are ‘electable’ Nation-wide can’t get, you know, elected?

ajacksonian on August 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM

If you’re a Rand Paul fan who nonetheless wants Republican governors in control of the states, your magic number here is 51 percent.

Disagree here. The marginal benefit of having a Christie-esque RINO in charge of a doomed state like New Jersey asymptotically approaches zero. If you want Rand Paul in 2016 (or really, anyone but Christie) then the magic number is 49%. Dooming Christie’s chances in 2016 (which losing re-election as Gov certainly would do) is worth whatever slight acceleration swapping him for an actual dem would do to the demise of the “garden” state.

SoRight on August 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Hard to say for sure, but I suspect Christie has lost support from Democrats over the whole Senate special election finagling, his grandstanding with the TV ads (if you didn’t know, the state has been running these feel-good “stronger than the storm” ads all summer to get people to come back to the Shore, and Christie is in them) and all the talk of him running for President.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

The special election thing was clearly done for one reason- HIS political interest in not being on the same ballot as Booker. It is absurd to think that there would be a power shift in the Senate or NJ would fall apart with only one Senator until November.

The stronger than the storm ads are annoying and not just for Christie’s appearance in them. The song is stupid and, while there was damage, it is hard to garner much sympathy outside NJ for “recovery” following what wasn’t even a CAT-1 hurricane.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Good news for our many, many resident Christie-haters

I am not a “Christie-hater”. I am a conservative. Christie is not a conservative, which is why I do not support him. It doesn’t mean that I hate him. But I do have a problem with others who attempt to shove him down my throat and re-label him as a conservative when his actions speak a very different tale.

dominigan on August 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

His endorsement of Steve Lonegan can’t be helping matters much.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

THIS is the reason.

I have to say, I had never heard of, or heard from Lonegan, until
this week he was on Fox and Friends one morning.

I was impressed with the guy….he sounded like an all American
man with the kind of experiences that I USED to think most
people have….he’s not afraid to espouse Conservative
values…so naturally, Democrats are going to be turned off…

EFF EM.

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I’m sure Christie knows he won’t be able to get out of the trenches of Jersey without Lonegan’s help. Guy Benson’s post in the green room makes it sounds like routine political backscratching, but I’m sure there’s more to it than that. There almost has to be.

gryphon202 on August 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

How come Republicans that are ‘electable’ Nation-wide can’t get, you know, elected?

ajacksonian on August 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Because the RNC lets the liberal media be the moderators during debates, and in every other way pick its candidates.

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

You think the conservative base equals 51% of voters in a Presidential election? Look at the previously Republican states Obama won in 2008 and/or 2012 (i.e. Virginia, Ohio, Colorado, Florida) and tell me how a staunch conservative wins those states. I’m not saying Christie can win them either, but the numbers do not lie and any Republican who wants to win in 2016 has to have some appeal to Denmocrats and a LOT of appeal to independents.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

No, but the conservative base is essential to winning a national election. This arrogant mentality by the GOP establishment that these voters are automatically in the bag and all they need to do is nominate a moderate/liberal Republican who will attract Dems and left-leaning indies is a recipe for disaster. It failed miserably with McCain and it cost us an easily winnable race with Romney. And now we’re hearing the same pitch from the same losers who helped blow the last two elections and have put us in a situation where what should be a guaranteed blowout in the 2014 midterms is up in the air.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Sorry, Northeaster, “Fiscal Conservatives.” Your average Southern voter is not going to vote for a Liberal RINO, like Governor Zeppelin.

Same poor choice. Same election results.

The definition of stupidity.

kingsjester on August 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

But I do have a problem with others who attempt to shove him down my throat and re-label him as a conservative when his actions speak a very different tale.

dominigan on August 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

To liberals, anyone not in or supporting the Democrat Party is automatically a ‘conservative’. Sometimes, the candidate is called an ‘ultra-conservative’ or an ‘arch-conservative’.

Now there’s a new one: ‘neo-confederate’. That still has to catch on, though. But soon it will, I imagine. Liberals always quickly burn out a term and so constantly need new ones.

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

If you’re a Rand Paul fan who nonetheless wants Republican governors in control of the states, your magic number here is 51 percent.

Damned skippy…

JohnGalt23 on August 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM

How come Republicans that are ‘electable’ Nation-wide can’t get, you know, elected?

ajacksonian on August 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Because the people saying “electable” are not Republicans. John McCain was the darling of electability until he got the nomination then the narrative turned him into a out-of-touch senile old man. Mitt Romney was an unelectable “electable” choice for other reasons (mainly the wrong candidate running a bad campaign against a tough candidate to challenge without being called a racist).

As it stands now, I’m liking Cruz. Of the names being thrown around he’s the only one that is unashamed of his conservatism. The only one who hasn’t pushed some version of amnesty for the illegals.

Happy Nomad on August 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Because the RNC lets the liberal media be the moderators during debates, and in every other way pick its candidates.

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Yup!

The State Republican Parties need to change the by-laws of the National party.

Or agree to abolish the National party and just run things locally without the ‘coordination’ and ‘fund raising’ which begets cronyism and unelectable candidates with ‘electability’.

ajacksonian on August 22, 2013 at 12:09 PM

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

You never heard of him? He does these thirty-second conservative blasts on 106.9 FM all the time, and ran against Gov. Kristie Kreme.

Akzed on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I have a few questions:

Do you believe in God?

If you do – what kind of God do you believe in?

Do you believe in a kind and loving God. or do you believe in a God of vengence and justice – or both?

Do you believe that God caused Soddom and Gommorrah to happen?

If so – do you believe that God caused these events with the knowledge that severe harm would come to certain people?

Let me throw out some names: Chris Christie, John McCain, Graham, Dick Durbin, Harry Reid, Chuck Shumer, Chris Matthews, Wolf Blitzer, Brian Williams, Bill O’Reilly, Shep Smith, Andrea Mitchesll, Nancy Pelosi, every journalist at The New York Times…

Do you believe that God would do something to initiate justice that involves these people?

Do you believe that he did this for Mussolini?

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Just don’t forget that God sends the rain on the just and the unjust.

davidk on August 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

One would think it wouldn’t require yet another drubbing in a Presidential election for the GOP elites to figure this out. Nominate a candidate who will get the base voters out. Sure, you want to appeal to Democrats and independents, but that needs to be your insurance policy, not your primary focus in the election. Cuz if it’s the latter, you’ve already lost.

Doughboy on August 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I’m not sure the GOP elites really want to figure it out. In other words, I’m not sure they even want to win or care about winning in the way we would like them to, meaning governing conservatively according to the Constitution. All they seem to want is to be Democrat-lite and since that’s the case, let them. Let them find out the hard way that it won’t work for them, and the only way it will work is if they just cut to the chase and declare themselves real Democrats. That’s what they’re really aiming for in their heart of hearts when all is said and done. At least the Dems are perversely honest about their lurch toward Socialism, but the GOPe can’t seem to admit it.

Of course, we are the losers in this anyway. There are no longer two parties here.

PatriotGal2257 on August 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Do you believe that God caused Soddom and Gommorrah to happen?

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

If you get Science Channel, you’d love to see their show on how He made it happen. The scientists and historians even got down the year four of those five Plains Cities were wiped out. The show was very interesting, and no claim of supernatural/preternatural origin was made by those who studied the event. Though I, for one, believe it all happened by the will of God.

Liam on August 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

I think everyone is just basically getting sick of this guy. He’s a one-note band: Bluster/pander/”electability”/RINO. Nothing else. That’s all he stands for. That’s his whole formula. Just because he was able to get New Jerseyans to vote for someone with an ‘R’ next to their name means nothing.

There is a civil war going on among Conservatives right now: On one side, RINO/”electability” idiots like Christie and Coulter. On the other side, those who rightly understand that standing for a Conservative position is an asset, not a liability. Ultimately, I believe the RINOs will lose.

Oh yeah, and it bears repeating in every Christie thread: He abets sharia law. He’s worse than merely being a political whore, he is a traitor to this country.

WhatSlushfund on August 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM

One big reason rockmom and why John and Mitt lost, is because, they did not explain why conservatism is good. They both did not attack Barack and explain why his policy is horrible for this country. Mitt allowed Barack to act like he was not president during 2009-2012 years.

BroncosRock on August 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I can see it now, the fat pantload neck & neck with the no name democrat 4 days before the election, when the antichrist, rides into Newark and gives the obese one a public hug covered by all the northeast media. This gives porca Christie a 52 47 win on election day. Just so happens to be the same margin the anti Christ won the presidential race last Nov..

Christie calling in that benedict Arnold favor.

What would be a better occurrence, a hurricane hits NJ 4 days before the election Obamacare doesn’t show up an Christie loses by 50 votes. The fat turd then goes to dunkin donuts and eats a ton of donuts, mumbling the whole time but he promised me he would help my fat azz.

Danielvito on August 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

any Republican who wants to win in 2016 has to have some appeal to Denmocrats and a LOT of appeal to independents.

rockmom on August 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Lead with jobs and the economy. That’s not a blue or red issue at all. It’s not hard to do.

beatcanvas on August 22, 2013 at 12:29 PM

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

You never heard of him? He does these thirty-second conservative blasts on 106.9 FM all the time, and ran against Gov. Kristie Kreme.

Akzed on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I vaguely remember the guy from the Governor Primary a few
years ago, but nothing much…did not follow it at that point,
because I figured Corzine would somehow prevail…

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Christie, many of his supporters, and even some posters here don’t realize the big picture of the ’16 election. Given Obamacare, the IRS, the NSA, the national debt and the over-regulation of Obama controlled agencies, it will be a referendum on the size and scope of government.

His poking at Paul and feeding at the Sandy relief trough don’t play into that narrative.

Tater Salad on August 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

It’s not like they would vote for him anyway.

CurtZHP on August 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM

It’s because he has an “R” next to his name. Doesn’t matter that he’s really a Democrat and governs like one. As it gets closer to election time, the leftist sheep always come back to the fold and vote for the real leftist rather than leftist-lite.

njrob on August 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Cuccinelli losing will hurt the Paul/Cruz wing more than Christie’s landslide going from 30 to 20 will hurt him.

This is why few take pundits seriously anything. What happens with Cuccinelli doesn’t matter one iota to the GOP presidential primary in 2016, and neither does Christie’s margin of victory. It’s pure mental masturbation.

TheDriver on August 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Christ Christie.

If they can’t have Crown Prince Jeb of the House of Bush be the nominee then the Christ of the East will be able to lose the 2016 election nicely.

He’s pro-Amnesty, he’s a Muslim sympathizer, He’s way off the limited government Conservative path but he’s a BUSH GIANT GOV lover so why should we vote for this person again?

In 2016….Vote for the REAL Progressive Democrats, not the posers in the gop.

PappyD61 on August 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Christie starting to slip among Democrats in New Jersey

Uh oh, he had better grease up and bend over for obama again.

Pork-Chop on August 22, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I’m far from a Christie hater, and he’s fine for NJ Republican, but I don’t know if his schtick will play well nationally. For once, I’d actually like for the GOP to rise or fall with a candidate that actually represents the views of the base of the party. Like Rand Paul or Ted Cruz. Establishment isn’t going to go down easy though.

therightwinger on August 22, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Spitting vinegar at the people on your side of the aisle while sprinkling sugar on top of your foes is not how you win elections big guy. Ask Mr MCain how that worked out for him.

veni vidi vici on August 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Just don’t forget that God sends the rain on the just and the unjust.

davidk on August 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM

If you had Read my Post for Comprehension – you’d have seen that I forgot no such thing/

THAT is WHY I mentioned Soddom and Gommorrah. There were both in each city – If you’ll remember, by the way, God also SAVED the just: Lot and his family. Except for Lot’s wife – who had trouble “letting go”.

Similar to some here and some who live today.

But here’s the thing:

It’s time for an EPIC and BIBLICAL RAINSTORM!!! With A LOT of CONSEQUENCES!!

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Cuccinelli losing will hurt the Paul/Cruz wing more than Christie’s landslide going from 30 to 20 will hurt him.

Uh. What? Cuccinelli is not Paul or Cruz. But Christie is Christie. And if I read the article correctly, the question wasn’t about going from a 30 point landslide to a 20 point landslide, but from a 30 point landslide to a respectable 10 point win.

besser tot als rot on August 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Big question, then: What’s pulling Christie back to earth among Dems in New Jersey?

Hillary.

nobar on August 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Bingo!!

bluefox on August 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

This is why few take pundits seriously anything. What happens with Cuccinelli doesn’t matter one iota to the GOP presidential primary in 2016, and neither does Christie’s margin of victory. It’s pure mental masturbation.

TheDriver on August 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I agree with the former completely, and mostly with the latter. But if Christie pulls out a 0.1% win, I think he’s damaged. Maybe only marginally so, but damaged all the same.

besser tot als rot on August 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

vaguely remember the guy from the Governor Primary a few years ago, but nothing much…did not follow it at that point, because I figured Corzine would somehow prevail…

ToddPA on August 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Then you are as familiar with NJ politics as I am with PA ones. Corzine was hated in NJ. And thYself before he was a proven thief. He was a “yes man” for the unions at a time we couldn’t (still can’t) afford it.

I voted for Mr Lonegan in the primary and I’ve met him. He’s a good man. I’ll note for him in the special election, but not for Krispy.

njrob on August 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Of course, we are the losers in this anyway. There are no longer two parties here.

PatriotGal2257 on August 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I agree with your take on this. However, what they do care about is the Senate & House. Remember in 2012, Boehner, McConnell, Graham, Cornyn and Alexander among others were not up for re-election. But they are in 2014!! They are much more concerned about their seats than the upcoming 2016 election.

13 R Senate Seats up in 2014. 20 D Senate Seats up in 2014.

This is the Power election.

Link: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/10/rubio-on-immigration-legalizing-illegals-must-and-will-come-before-border-security/comment-page-3/#comments

wren on June 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM

bluefox on August 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Hot Air is already pushing RINO candidates for the GOP Pres. nominee. Last time they did this they sided with the statists and Washington elites to give us Milquetoast Mitt. Maybe another loss will clue them to the fact that the grass roots want a true Conservative nominee and one that will get the base off the couch and to the ballot box.

Sparky5253 on August 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

what ya ‘spect… the guy is nut’n but a fat blowhard.

only difference between da guv and purple lips Barry is poundage

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Hot Air is already pushing RINO candidates for the GOP Pres. nominee. Last time they did this they sided with the statists and Washington elites to give us Milquetoast Mitt. Maybe another loss will clue them to the fact that the grass roots want a true Conservative nominee and one that will get the base off the couch and to the ballot box.

Sparky5253 on August 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

IT AIN’T DA GUBrNINT THUGGERY THEY MIND…. THEY JUST PIZZED THEIR GUY AIN’T DO’N DA LOOT’N

ROFLMMFAO

donabernathy on August 22, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Hot Air is already pushing RINO candidates for the GOP Pres. nominee. Last time they did this they sided with the statists and Washington elites to give us Milquetoast Mitt. Maybe another loss will clue them to the fact that the grass roots want a true Conservative nominee and one that will get the base off the couch and to the ballot box.

Sparky5253 on August 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

How funny how fast everyone has forgotten about Bob Dole. The ‘experts’ all talk about how Gingrich holding his ground and ‘shutting down the government’ had lost so much in 1996. Everyone has forgotten that the house stayed in Republican hands, the senate GAINED 2 seats, and the ONLY LOSER was the ‘Milquetoast’ Bob Dole!

Best case is Christi LOSING! This will end all of the useless talk about a RINO candidate, who might lose closer in the hard core corrupt Democratic operated states, for the next 3 years!

Freddy on August 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Why…that’s impossible. Wasn’t it, like…yesterday that HotAir was telling us he’s enjoying Zeus-like national adulation?

WTF?

Jaibones on August 22, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Christie needs to staple his mouth as well.

Sherman1864 on August 23, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Christie is only an R in NJ; in the midwest he would be properly labeled as a democRAT

burserker on August 23, 2013 at 2:35 PM