Video: American reporter takes on Kremlin propaganda channel over Russian crackdown on gays

posted at 2:01 pm on August 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Washington Free Beacon, it’s Weekly Standard contributor and Christopher Hitchens protege James Kirchick doing his mentor proud by showing more balls in confounding Putin’s narrative than any White House spokesman has recently. If you’re unfamiliar with Russia Today, here’s a taste from other reporters who’ve experienced the magic firsthand:

And here’s what Kirchick got for his trouble today:

BuzzFeed had a nice explainer a few weeks ago about Russia’s new anti-gay law, which seems to operate in practice as state sanction for public beatings of gay-rights supporters, but you can guess the rationale even if you haven’t read their story. The prospect of eight more years of Putin brought thousands of people out into the streets to protest, no idle threat in the wake of the Arab Spring. He needed an enemy on which to focus the public’s attention and so he chose gays, partly because he could portray them popularly as a threat to the Russian Orthodox Church and partly because it would allow him to draw a contrast with how gays are treated in the feared and loathed west. Why he didn’t choose Jews as the designated scapegoat instead, as many Russian leaders before him have, I don’t know. Could be that global awareness of anti-semitism as a tool of oppression is now such that no “respectable” fascist outside the Middle East will practice it too overtly. Better to beat on the gays instead, he probably figures, since he can still get international backing from some world leaders on that in public.

As noted above, it’s not unusual for American journos to be invited on Russia Today. But after this, the invitations might dry up. Or be rejected more often even if they’re offered.


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Which office supply store says, “Well, that was easy”?

You’re as insultive as anyone here. You save it mostly for real conservatives who disagree with your gay issues though.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

So I take it you have nothing to back up your accusations. What a surprise…right out of the liberal playbook too.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Here’s come the kitty looking for my string.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You have the flair of a villain from a comic book.
(But not the good grammar.)
Really strange.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:39 PM

You support the murder of over a million babies a year and don’t bat an eye. Talk about croc tears. What a crock.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I just did.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

You support the murder of over a million babies a year and don’t bat an eye. Talk about croc tears. What a crock.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Sorry, they’re only “babies” in the delusional minds of yourself and others.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

In one page jeybot gives a one word response calling someone a moron and then tells another his reading skills are poor, but he never resorts to insults. Nope.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I almost asked if you two were going to get a room.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Not surprised this is where your imagination takes you.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Sorry, they’re only “babies” in the delusional minds of yourself and others.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Rationalize it in any manner that gets you to sleep at night.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Not surprised this is where your imagination takes you.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I was surprised you didn’t ask him.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Sorry, they’re only “babies” in the delusional minds of
yourself and others.
Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Ladies and gentleman the reprobate mind.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I just did.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Very selectively. Why didn’t you quote my entire reply?

Sorry, they’re only “babies” in the delusional minds of yourself and others.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Whoa!

It’s OT so I’ll keep it short…from the moment of conception, it’s human. Call it a fetus, a baby, a child…whatever…willful termination of such is murder.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Respect the local culture, fairies. As you say us to do with muslims when beatings, rapes, beheadings occur as is written in their koran.

You pushed for homosexual unions, hermaphrodite ID cards, gender neutral toilets… it will just explode in your face, when things will turn for the worse and those taking power will have a database with everyone and their habits.

Don’t forget to go to the “million” muslim march planned on 9/11, I’m sure your political friends will embrace you.

Rookie on August 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Jetboy,

I was pretty clear…[Pincher Martin] applauded Russia and their anti-gay laws, where gays can be beaten and the state looks the other way. That was his position. Try and work on your reading comprehension skills.

I do applaud Russia’s law. And I don’t really care that gays are being beat up in Russia for protesting the law.

Why should anyone care? Those gays know exactly what they’re getting into when they take to the streets.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Sorry, they’re only “babies” in the delusional minds of yourself and others.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Didn’t you support euthanizing infants after birth with severe both defects at one time anyway?

And yet you expect moral outrage for your points of inhumanity?

For the record, I don’t think anyone deserves to get beat up for their lifestyle. I just laugh at your narrow focus of who deserves your humanity.

Croc tears by socons. You’re funny.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Very selectively. Why didn’t you quote my entire reply?

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I’ll ask you the same question. Why didn’t you quote my entire reply?

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM

verbaluce,

You have the flair of a villain from a comic book.
(But not the good grammar.)

I have the bad habit of playing down to the lowest members of my audience. Once I saw your grammar, I said, “Oh, what the hell.”

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Not surprised this is where your imagination takes you.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM

That’s just the kind of snarky comment I bet Putin often makes.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:03 PM

You have the flair of a villain from a comic book.
(But not the good grammar.)

I have the bad habit of playing down to the lowest members of my audience. Once I saw your grammar, I said, “Oh, what the hell.”

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Sure you did. /
Look, let’s cut to the chase and be done with it –
you are a jackass.
A harmless, witless, narrow-minded, mean-spirited, grammar challenged, silly jackass.
I wish you all the best.
(smoothsailing will post shortly a dimwitted pice of kiss-assery for you. Best wishes to him as well.)

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Respect the local culture, fairies. As you say us to do with muslims when beatings, rapes, beheadings occur as is written in their koran.

You pushed for homosexual unions, hermaphrodite ID cards, gender neutral toilets… it will just explode in your face, when things will turn for the worse and those taking power will have a database with everyone and their habits.

Don’t forget to go to the “million” muslim march planned on 9/11, I’m sure your political friends will embrace you.

Rookie on August 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

You do realise that anti-gay legislation is most prevalent in Muslim countries, right? It’s one thing the anti-gay folks in America have in common with Tehran.

HiHo on August 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Whoa!

It’s OT so I’ll keep it short…from the moment of conception, it’s human. Call it a fetus, a baby, a child…whatever…willful termination of such is murder.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 4:54 PM

You know, I really don’t have much sympathy for the abuse you take here for being gay. You cast your lot with wacko religious types on all this other crap but constantly seem to expect them to make some kind of exemption for your homosexuality, laughably thinking you can persuade them with appeals to reason or empathy. They’ll never see you as the model Catholic/Christian/whatever you identify as, no matter how loudly you condemn abortion or pledge your love for baby Jesus.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM

It’s nice to see the socons here revealing their true colors by applauding Russian authoritarianism and state-sanctioned brutality, since in this particular instance it happens to dovetail with their own bigotries. Oh, but watch them shed crocodile tears over Coptic Christians in Egypt facing the same kind of treatment (which I’ll go on the record as firmly condemning).

Same kind of treatment?

Coptic Christians are being killed, kidnapped, and expelled from their homes and neighborhoods for beliefs which their families have held for centuries and which, by the custom of gathering in churches for religious ceremonies and fellowship, are public knowledge. Because of the public nature of their beliefs, they can be targeted and systemically discriminated against in effective ways.

Russia, on the other hand, has passed a law barring pro-gay propaganda and then beats up those who disobey the law. But given the private and individual nature of sexual orientation, there is much less discrimination for those gays who simply keep quiet about the law and go about their lives. A gay man in Russia can still go a gay nightclub and pick up another gay man for sex.

What a stupid equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM

A Hot Air writer referring to Russia Today as a “propaganda outlet” is a bit rich.

Any media outlet will be propaganda to some degree, and there’s no doubt that RT tows the Kremlin line when it has to. But their coverage on topics like Syria Snowden for instance, has been miles ahead of what we’ve seen from any major source in the US. On Snowden, RT has mainly focused on the NSA program itself, whereas in the US, the bulk of the coverage has been centered on Snowden himself, what degree of traitor he is, and what kind of porn he likes.

And of course, the more that Russia under Putin takes on the role of chief defender worldwide of traditional Christian society, the more that they will be attacked by Progressive Republican outlets such as Hot Air.

Rainbow suspenders, seriously? It’s surely a mental defect.

sartana on August 21, 2013 at 5:20 PM

verbaluce,

Sure you did. /
Look, let’s cut to the chase and be done with it –
you are a jackass.
A harmless, witless, narrow-minded, mean-spirited, grammar challenged, silly jackass.
I wish you all the best.

Hahaha ! The kitty is now frustrated with the string and wants to take a nap. That’s okay, kitty. Go take a nap. I’ll be here when you wake.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Same kind of treatment?

Coptic Christians are being killed, kidnapped, and expelled from their homes and neighborhoods for beliefs which their families have held for centuries and which, by the custom of gathering in churches for religious ceremonies and fellowship, are public knowledge. Because of the public nature of their beliefs, they can be targeted and systemically discriminated against in effective ways.

Russia, on the other hand, has passed a law barring pro-gay propaganda and then beats up those who disobey the law. But given the private and individual nature of sexual orientation, there is much less discrimination for those gays who simply keep quiet about the law and go about their lives. A gay man in Russia can still go a gay nightclub and pick up another gay man for sex.

What a stupid equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM

The Copts could discreetely practice their faith in their own homes. You know, keep their heads down, stay in the closet, don’t ask don’t tell, etc. Why should that be good enough for homosexuals but not Christians?

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:31 PM

.

They’ll never see you as the model Catholic/Christian/whatever you identify as, no matter how loudly you condemn abortion or pledge your love for baby Jesus.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Wrong.
I have met many wonderful people through HA, I consider friends and have got to know personally.
They who accept me for who I am…and would go to bat for me any day and I for them.
Too bad your hatred blinds you.
All certainly don’t but many do.

bazil9 on August 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Russia, on the other hand, has passed a law barring pro-gay propaganda and then beats up those who disobey the law.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I agree with your point, but I believe it’s misstating things a bit to say that it’s Russia who beats up those who disobey the law. That would be your occasional band of hooligans. Gays are not infrequently the targets of beatings in the US, chiefly by bands of blacks and hispanics, but no one would say that the US beats up gays.

The cool thing about Russia is they actually have a leader who could go around randomly beating people up, whereas here in the States, we have a precedent in Rainbow Suspenders who seriously needs a beatdown.

sartana on August 21, 2013 at 5:41 PM

The Copts could discreetely practice their faith in their own homes. You know, keep their heads down, stay in the closet, don’t ask don’t tell, etc. Why should that be good enough for homosexuals but not Christians?

Because they aren’t the same. Homosexuals don’t start off with traditions and churches and same-sex-oriented families.

You might as well ask why lions can’t go veggies like lambs do. It’s a stupid question that assumes everything about the world out of existence just so you can have your equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

sartana,

I agree with your point, but I believe it’s misstating things a bit to say that it’s Russia who beats up those who disobey the law. That would be your occasional band of hooligans. Gays are not infrequently the targets of beatings in the US, chiefly by bands of blacks and hispanics, but no one would say that the US beats up gays.

Fair point. But the state should have a monopoly on force, and yet the Russian state doesn’t appear to do much to dissuade those abusing the gay protestors because it’s an extra-judicial display of force the state approves of.

But let me be clear: Either way, I really don’t care. I still support the law, and I support Russia’s right to conform to its own standards in this matter.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Wrong.
I have met many wonderful people through HA, I consider friends and have got to know personally.
They who accept me for who I am…and would go to bat for me any day and I for them.
Too bad your hatred blinds you.
All certainly don’t but many do.

bazil9 on August 21, 2013 at 5:40 PM

I don’t know who you are or if you’re gay, but if you are and you’re not unwaveringly abstinent at all times, the bible thumpers here don’t see any meaningful distinction between you and the loudest, most obnoxious participants in the Folsom Street Fair.

Because they aren’t the same. Homosexuals don’t start off with traditions and churches and same-sex-oriented families.

You might as well ask why lions can’t go veggies like lambs do. It’s a stupid question that assumes everything about the world out of existence just so you can have your equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

What was that you were saying about stupid equivalences? Now you’re comparing a voluntarily-chosen behavior (tradition, participation in churches, etc.) [and one that clearly holds no cachet with the marauding throngs of church burners in Egypt] with animal instinct. Dumbest thing I’ve read on this site in at least the last… 20 minutes or so.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

But let me be clear: Either way, I really don’t care. I still support the law, and I support Russia’s right to conform to its own standards in this matter.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Why don’t you support Egypt’s right to conform to its own standards too?

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I don’t know who you are or if you’re gay, but if you are and you’re not unwaveringly abstinent at all times, the bible thumpers here don’t see any meaningful distinction between you and the loudest, most obnoxious participants in the Folsom Street Fair.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Well, your wrong if you say all the Christians here feel that way.
Some do and some do not.
But you will believe what you want to there bro..because it serves your smear campaign.

bazil9 on August 21, 2013 at 5:55 PM

What was that you were saying about stupid equivalences? Now you’re comparing a voluntarily-chosen behavior (tradition, participation in churches, etc.) [and one that clearly holds no cachet with the marauding throngs of church burners in Egypt] with animal instinct. Dumbest thing I’ve read on this site in at least the last… 20 minutes or so.

Animal instinct is not as deterministic as you believe. As for human behavior, you can’t escape the past no matter how hard you try. And if the past allowed for the interconnective web of social relations and public capital improvements that make up churches and did not do the same for gays, then like a good Maoist you’re demanding the past be rewritten for the sake of your equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

I wish you all the best.
(smoothsailing will post shortly a dimwitted pice (sic) of kiss-assery for you. Best wishes to him as well.)

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Oh, me? I thought I’d just return to point out how atrocious your spelling and grammar is. Let’s start with the word itself. Someone would probably not be so much, grammar challenged, as they would be, grammatically challenged.

Everything else you’re writing is just pure liberal genius though. No. Really.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Why don’t you support Egypt’s right to conform to its own standards too?

I do. I’m strongly against interfering in any other country’s domestic affairs. I don’t want to interfere in Egypt. Or Russia.

But intellectually it’s indefensible for you to equate what’s happening to Russian gays and Egyptian copts. They aren’t the same, and intellectual honesty demands I point that out.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Animal instinct is not as deterministic as you believe. As for human behavior, you can’t escape the past no matter how hard you try. And if the past allowed for the interconnective web of social relations and public capital improvements that make up churches and did not do the same for gays, then like a good Maoist you’re demanding the past be rewritten for the sake of your equivalence.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 5:58 PM

It must be or you wouldn’t have used it as an analogy for why Christians can’t be expected to conform to evolving social standards. I’m honestly not at all sure what you’re trying to say here. Animal instinct is adaptive but human behavior, at least when informed by an “interconnective web of social relations and public capital improvements” isn’t? This is just postmodern gibberish you picked up in some introductory sociology class.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I do applaud Russia’s law. And I don’t really care that gays are being beat up in Russia for protesting the law.

Why should anyone care? Those gays know exactly what they’re getting into when they take to the streets.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 4:59 PM

And I’ll still call you a moron for it. I never claim to be the next poster boy for CPAC…and Lord knows I have no stellar record of supporting great candidates from time to time, but you are no conservative.

You know, I really don’t have much sympathy for the abuse you take here for being gay. You cast your lot with wacko religious types on all this other crap but constantly seem to expect them to make some kind of exemption for your homosexuality, laughably thinking you can persuade them with appeals to reason or empathy. They’ll never see you as the model Catholic/Christian/whatever you identify as, no matter how loudly you condemn abortion or pledge your love for baby Jesus.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 5:15 PM

You’re doing the same thing they do…generalizing and stereotyping. And I don’t give a flying frack who condemns me aside from God. His is the only judgement I need to worry about.

For the record, and I’ve stated it many times over the years here, my pro-life stance doesn’t simply stem from my faith as a Catholic. I see abortion on demand as a blatant violation of basic human rights. It’s no different than mass genocide. The only place, scientifically or otherwise, to draw a line at where human life begins, that line can only be drawn at the moment of conception.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Holy bold-gone-crazy, Batman!

wth happened… :/

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Holy bold-gone-crazy, Batman!

wth happened… :/

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Apparently, the NSA knew what you were going to type before you typed it, and the passion you have for the subject.

Your tax dollars at work! LOL

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM

You know, I really don’t have much sympathy for the abuse you take here for being a Gay Catholic. You cast your lot with wacko gay types on all this other crap but constantly seem to expect them to make some kind of exemption for your Catholicism, laughably thinking you can persuade them with appeals to reason or empathy to respect your church and faith. They’ll never see you as the normal gay man as long as you hold on to some level of defense of your church. No matter how loudly you condemn gay intolerance or pledge your love for the gay cause, they will work to destroy your church.


There’s no end to the list of demands.

And let’s be frank. It is specifically the destruction of the church some seek.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

You know, I really don’t have much sympathy for the abuse you take here for being a Gay Catholic. You cast your lot with wacko gay types on all this other crap but constantly seem to expect them to make some kind of exemption for your Catholicism, laughably thinking you can persuade them with appeals to reason or empathy to respect your church and faith. They’ll never see you as the normal gay man as long as you hold on to some level of defense of your church. No matter how loudly you condemn gay intolerance or pledge your love for the gay cause, they will work to destroy your church.

There’s no end to the list of demands.

And let’s be frank. It is specifically the destruction of the church some seek.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Moronic. It’s your religion that holds that being in good standing with the Church and practicing a homosexual lifestyle are incompatible. I’ve never seen anyone claim that religious identification nullifies sexual preference.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 6:23 PM

You missed the point. You obviously didn’t clink on the link either. But in one sense, we’re cut from the same cloth. We are on such opposite ends of the spectrum, our points will never make sense to one another. I hope to never understand your rationale. You never did answer the one question I asked. Didn’t you make a comment at one point that children already born with severe disabilities should be euthanized?

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Apparently, the NSA knew what you were going to type before you typed it, and the passion you have for the subject.

Your tax dollars at work! LOL

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 6:14 PM

We’re gonna need a code…igpay atinlay?

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:33 PM

And let’s be frank. It is specifically the destruction of the church some seek.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Wow, you actually qualified that there. “Some” gays. You didn’t even say “most”… Very good! One gold internet “good noodle” star for you!

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:38 PM

You cast your lot with wacko gay types on all this other crap…

I have repeatedly…REPEATEDLY…said the big loud liberal gay activists do not speak for me. I abhor them. In the same way I show disdain for self-described Christians who sanctimoniously tell gays they’re condemned to damnation. Every group has it’s wackos. Even the apostles had their Judas.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:43 PM

You missed the point. You obviously didn’t clink on the link either. But in one sense, we’re cut from the same cloth.

No we’re not. I believe in freedom. You believe in conditional freedom, filtered through your religious sensibilities (what some of the more clever Catholic sophists occasionally refer to as “ordered liberty” or some other meaningless doublespeak like that).

We are on such opposite ends of the spectrum, our points will never make sense to one another. I hope to never understand your rationale. You never did answer the one question I asked. Didn’t you make a comment at one point that children already born with severe disabilities should be euthanized?

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Oh, I don’t think there are any worries of that happening. And no, I didn’t make a comment like that, but people on this site have a weird habit of remembering me sayings things I didn’t.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Wow, you actually qualified that there. “Some” gays. You didn’t even say “most”… Very good! One gold internet “good noodle” star for you!

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 6:38 PM

It’s because I’m reasonable and not given to outlandish exaggerations and hyperbole. That’s the norm.

As a note of apology, you know that comment was directed back at Bart’s Principal and not you. I’ve read your comments and accept the fact you understand that not all gays would even give you the time of day because of your beliefs. I’m don’t, no one who claims to be religious has the right to question your faith. I just think you’re misled by more radical gays than you realize. Whether or not you agree to it, the gay movement won’t be happy until they punish and destroy what they see as their historical foe and present day roadblock. The church. They can’t exist with it. I’m really sorry we don’t have more that we agree on.

The link says it all. A law passed in Great Britain they petitioned for, immediately falls short of their desires.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

You certainly don’t believe in freedom for everyone. I guess you have to be born first. Or make it to two.

Oh, I don’t think there are any worries of that happening. And no, I didn’t make a comment like that, but people on this site have a weird habit of remembering me sayings things I didn’t.

Armin Tamzarian on August 21, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Are you sure you didn’t say it? :-)

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Armin Tamzarian,

It must be or you wouldn’t have used it as an analogy for why Christians can’t be expected to conform to evolving social standards.

What in God’s name are you talking about? Where have I ever said anything about Christians not being expected to conform? I simply brushed aside your equivalence of both groups (gays and Christians) as the silly Maoist premise it was.

I’m honestly not at all sure what you’re trying to say here. Animal instinct is adaptive but human behavior, at least when informed by an “interconnective web of social relations and public capital improvements” isn’t? This is just postmodern gibberish you picked up in some introductory sociology class.

History matters. Starting points matter. You cannot ignore where you are starting from in matters of the law when judging what will be fair in the near future. If the Christian Copts have been going to churches in Egypt for hundreds of years, then assuming they should start off from an equal point with gays, just because that’s where gays start off today, is inherently unfair.

The only people who believe differently are the Maoists who try to wipe away the past.

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM

I take it from some of the subsequent comments that Armin is some silly libertarian extremist.

When are the libertarians going to learn that there is no freedom without order and virtue?

“The only liberty I mean is a liberty connected with order, that not only exists along with order and virtue, but which cannot exist at all without them.”

– Edmund Burke

“Order and order alone definitively makes liberty: Disorder makes servitude.”

– Charles Péguy

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013 at 7:04 PM

I’m don’t

Lol

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I take it from some of the subsequent comments that Armin is some silly libertarian extremist.

When are the libertarians going to learn that there is no freedom without order and virtue?

Pincher Martin on August 21, 2013

More like a vested interest. Dead babies is money to his family.

I don’t have any financial stake in abortion, but I do have a personal motivation, yes. My sister-in-law and her husband own and operate a small practice. They are some of the finest, most upstanding people you’d ever hope to meet. They bust their asses to provide quality service to their patients at an affordable price. They are not millionaires. They abide by all applicable federal, state and local laws. And I’ve seen first-hand the kind of threats, insinuations and smears they have to put up with from people like you and other “pro-lifers” for having the audacity to provide a legal service that people are willing to pay for.

Armin Tamzarian on May 6, 2013 at

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 7:11 PM

You cannot have Liberty without Morality.
You cannot have Morality without faith.
(Tocq – 1850ish)
.
This is what exposes the Communist strategy.
Barry ?

FlaMurph on August 21, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Thank goodness we have no networks disseminating government propaganda here in ‘Merica.

iwasbornwithit on August 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 6:52 PM

No worries.

Believe me, I’m not “misled” by any of the rabid liberal gays. Or by anybody else. I get a lot of crud from them, like how I can be Republican when they hate me. Or how I can be a Catholic when they condemn me. Neither of those claims are true…but facts have never seemed to mean much to the Left.

It’s frustrating enough having to argue with them. Even more so when my fellow conservatives and fellow Christians do the same thing the liberal gays do…throw out blanket accusations and false statements based on stereotypes. It took a lot of time and patience to get to where I am today, spiritually grounded and accepting what I am, who I am, and what I still need to do. It’s been a very rough road.

JetBoy on August 21, 2013 at 7:42 PM

A Hot Air writer referring to Russia Today as a “propaganda outlet” is a bit rich.

LOL. Margarita Semyonovna, is that you?

Any media outlet will be propaganda to some degree, and there’s no doubt that RT tows the Kremlin line when it has to. But their coverage on topics like Syria Snowden for instance, has been miles ahead of what we’ve seen from any major source in the US. On Snowden, RT has mainly focused on the NSA program itself, whereas in the US, the bulk of the coverage has been centered on Snowden himself, what degree of traitor he is, and what kind of porn he likes.

sartana on August 21, 2013 at 5:20 PM

RT is a propaganda outlet. As I said, when it is on matters concerning the West, they aren’t terrible. That is due to a mix of occasional respectable guests and the fact that the American government they want to poke is so much of a clusterfark that it is deserved.

On Russian matters, they pump propaganda out at embarrassing levels. I’ve never seen anybody tell English-speakers that have no say in the matter, how truly much of a bad guy Alexey Navalny is. It is too common of a logical fallacy that Putin is a good guy here, just because the United States has fallen into just such degeneracy. Both the US and Russia are run by tyrants. Similarly both tyrants have their propaganda machines. Just because our mainstream media is bad doesn’t mean that the nonsense RT pumps out about Russian protestors is at all true or that a phony government-controlled press of any nation should be expected, tolerated, and taken seriously.

(Oh, and as an aside the expression is “toes the line,” as it put your toe on the line. It goes back to the British navy, sailors lining up for inspection.)

As far as the coverage of this here, the problem is a simplistic understanding of what is going on in Russia. Don’t rip on Putin for oppressing gays – that’s just the promotion of another liberally slanted meme. Do point out his poor and heavy handed governance of all Russians, and the fact that the Russian police are a mass of out of control bureaucrats.

How can one protest and advocate for gay rights in Russia, while ignoring the lack of liberty over there for everybody else? That comes across as nothing more than leftist sanctimony, and to Christians only helps Putin reinforce the moral high ground he desires against us.

Don’t argue for homosexuality with histrionic claims of fascism and scapegoating as the leftists do. Rather argue for liberty in general, off of the basic natural law principles on which the conservative movement has always stood. That’s what the Russian people came out to protest for in December 2011, September 2012, July 18 of this year…

Gingotts on August 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Why do they let him keep talking?

Een Russia, nobody want to hear about your proud perversions.

ceruleanblue on August 21, 2013 at 10:17 PM

The last word on RT.

Gingotts on August 21, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Oops, the guy who said the last word is still going.

Gingotts on August 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

This man is complaining because Russiademocratically decided not to allow suicide by Gay propaganda that most of the West has. Good for them!

Russia decided they didn’t want to fly to pieces like the West is intent on doing. So the point is that, unlike most Americans, they actually are aware of what has happened outside their own country and are taking steps to follow those mistakes. Why is this an issue?

Why is it even being mentioned on Hotair? Would you like me to draw you a picture? Is it so impossible to understand?

Where is Mr Kirchick on Sharia law & its treatment of homosexual acts? Russians aren’t legalising vigilante attacks and legal system death penalties they just want to stop the lies that are leading many thousands of Western young people into misery under the encouragement of people who want to “lberate” them.

Well done Russia!

As for RT – if you want to know what is REALLY going on in Syria then you are not going to get that from American news media – RT is your best source. I’m amazed at the ignorance of all this…

Liam1304 on August 22, 2013 at 2:32 AM

It might be an overreach to expect a country like Russia, that has practiced decades of state violence and oppression to quickly become a standard-bearer for every liberal belief you can think of.

How friendly should Russia be to open immigration (from hostile populations)? Should they be allowing self-identifying gays access to school-girls bathrooms (as California has just legalized)?

It seems gay activists are delusional and think that the countries of the world are all just like the patsies of Washington DC.

If they are so brave to go on RT, go make that speech in Tehran. Remember Ahmedinijad telling the university audience in NY that there were no gays in Iran? And if there were, he would like their addresses, to check it out. The liberal audience was speechless – they don’t understand evil and are not equipped to face it.

Foreign policy needs to focus on the big issues of national interest: this looks like more liberal hectoring, social meddling and posturing.

virgo on August 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

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