UPS drops spousal coverage, teachers get hours cut due to ObamaCare

posted at 9:21 am on August 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Thanks to the delayed employer mandate in ObamaCare, we are now sixteen months away from enforcement of those statutes, even though they go into effect in four months.  Are employers taking a break from ObamaCare prep?  Not hardly.  Today we have three new stories about how the perverse incentives of the ACA will impact workers, starting with UPS, which has just announced that it will stop offering health-care coverage to spouses — and explicitly cites ObamaCare as the reason (via Jim Geraghty and Jeryl Bier):

United Parcel Service Inc. plans to remove thousands of spouses from its medical plan because they are eligible for coverage elsewhere. The Atlanta-based logistics company points to the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, as a big reason for the decision, reports Kaiser Health News.

The decision comes as many analysts are downplaying the Affordable Care Act’s effect on companies such as UPS, noting that the move reflects a long-term trend of shrinking corporate medical benefits, Kaiser Health News reports. But UPS repeatedly cites Obamacare to explain the decision, adding fuel to the debate over whether it erodes traditional employer coverage, Kaiser says.

Rising medical costs, “combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost,” UPS said in a memo to employees.

As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago, the law requires employers to subsidize health-insurance costs for employees, but not for dependent children (meaning the employee has to pay full price), and they don’t have to cover spouses at all — even if the spouses don’t have their own jobs.  Under that scenario, employees with children and stay-at-home spouses are better off going into the exchanges and getting taxpayer-fueled subsidies to buy their own family insurance — even though a mass migration into those exchanges will create an avalanche of unforeseen cost to ObamaCare.  And sure enough, some workers have figured it out:

Just imagine saying this to your boss: “Don’t offer me health insurance benefits.”

Those apparently bizarre words might actually end up being uttered next year because of a quirk in Obamacare that could financially penalize a number of workers and their families.

That quirk means that for some people, it will be more economical to have an employer not offer health insurance subsidies for them and their families—and for the entire family to then instead be able to buy insurance with government subsidies on the Obamacare state health exchanges.

“For a lot of people, that may be a better deal,” said Jonathan Wu, co-founder of the price-comparison site ValuePenguin.com. “We’re talking like thousands of dollars.”

Wu refers to this as “weird”:

What Wu calls one of several “weird” unintended effects of the Affordable Care Act—effects that lead to some less-than-affordable outcomes—stems from a rule that was adopted by the Health and Human Services Department last winter and goes into effect in 2014.

Under the ACA, popularly known as Obamacare, a worker whose employer offers company-subsidized health insurance that costs the worker less than or equal to 9.5 percent of household income is considered to be receiving “affordable coverage.” …

But HHS has ruled that the affordability test will consider only the cost to workers of buying insurance from their company’s plan for themselves—not that of insuring their entire family.

The solution is to have the employer end health-care coverage so that workers then qualify for the exchanges. The business will have to pay a penalty, but that’s far below the cost of providing subsidized health insurance, so they win, too.  The only losers in this scenario are taxpayers who have to fork over billions more than anticipated in exchange subsidies.

The proper term isn’t “weird.” It’s “perverse incentives,” and we’ve been warning about them since ObamaCare was first proposed.

Not all workers have this much control over their health-insurance offerings, though.  Substitute teachers in Trenton, New Jersey won’t even get the opportunity to make that choice after the Hamilton school district limited their potential work schedules, specifically because of ObamaCare:

The Hamilton school district has told its substitute teachers they will be limited to working a maximum of four days a week in the coming school year because of the federal health reform law’s future requirement that full-time employees be provided with health insurance.

A memo mailed to the substitutes in late June said that the restriction resulted from a provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that will require employers to provide affordable health insurance for full-time employees and their dependents. Full-time is defined as an average of 30 or more hours per week.

“This memorandum will serve as official notice that, as of the 2013-2014 school year, strict limits will be placed on the number of working hours of part-time/temporary employees,” read the letter signed by director of human resources Katherine Shilenok-Wright.

Hey, didn’t Obama say he would delay enforcement of that employer mandate?  Hamilton doesn’t want to wait around to find out:

The provision of the federal law was originally scheduled to go into effect in January 2014, and last month the federal government delayed enforcement until 2015, but the memo says the limits on substitute teachers’ hours will go into effect when school starts next month.

Once government sets the conditions for perverse incentives in the marketplace, it doesn’t take long for businesses and consumers to adjust to them.


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“We need to pass it first to find out what’s in it,” she said.

Flange on August 21, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Diane Sawyer currently prepping this story for this evening’s report…
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hillsoftx on August 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I’m good friends with my UPS driver, he’s already told me this is coming and is about as happy as he would be if someone lit him on fire.

Bishop on August 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM

These are not “weird” unintended effects… this is the intent.

dpduq on August 21, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Sounds like this wonderful, Utopian law is being well received.

Thank Gawd it has Obama’s name on it…

Thanks Obama

Electrongod on August 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM

It gets boring being right every single day about this awful law.

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Fascinating in a disturbing kind how gently we let go of our country isn’t it?

DanMan on August 21, 2013 at 9:31 AM

As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago, the law requires employers to subsidize health-insurance costs for employees, but not for dependent children (meaning the employee has to pay full price), and they don’t have to cover spouses at all

a provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that will require employers to provide affordable health insurance for full-time employees and their dependents.

Which is it?

OldEnglish on August 21, 2013 at 9:31 AM

kind of way

DanMan on August 21, 2013 at 9:31 AM

The only losers in this scenario are taxpayers who have to fork over billions more than anticipated in exchange subsidies.

But surprisingly, despite the hundreds of billions of dollars that taxpayers will soon be paying out in subsidies, the national debt clock will remain unchanged, and the CBO will continue to insist that Obamacare is “deficit neutral.”

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM

I get a kick how these features/unforeseen consequences are being downplayed as ‘quirks’.

Let’s assume this situation wasn’t intentional. Isn’t the fact that it now exists reason enough for Congress to say the law is so screwed up it needs to be repealed, and that they need to start all over to craft something that might actually work?

Personally, I think the government should stay out of Americans’ healthcare needs and decisions. The only way we’re going to get that to happen is to vote out all these jokers, which isn’t likely to happen, either. So we need to settle for replacing as many as we can, in hope of getting this monstrosity out of our lives.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I’m good friends with my UPS driver, he’s already told me this is coming and is about as happy as he would be if someone lit him on fire.

Bishop on August 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I don’t know the local UPS drivers personally. But I order a lot of stuff using Amazon Prime, so they frequently drop stuff off on my doorstep sometimes as late as 8 or even 9 PM. Those folks bust their behinds and it’s a shame they’re getting f’ed over like this(although at least they’re not alone in their pain).

Doughboy on August 21, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Some smart tv producer is going to have a game show with healthcare and organ transplants as prizes.

Or a state lottery…

patman77 on August 21, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I’m good friends with my UPS driver, he’s already told me this is coming and is about as happy as he would be if someone lit him on fire.

Bishop on August 21, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Are UPS drivers unionized? If so I bet I can guess who the union supported in 2008 and 2012. We all know what a train wreck Obamacare is going to be. Just over half of us are not victims, they are getting what they deserve.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Some smart tv producer is going to have a game show with healthcare and organ transplants as prizes.

Or a state lottery…

patman77 on August 21, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Don’t give them any ideas. Besides it will be like the Soviet Union. To get a transplant you’ll have to be on the approved list of party faithful.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Thanks to the delayed employer mandate in ObamaCare, we are now sixteen months away from enforcement of those statutes, even though they go into effect in four months. Are employers taking a break from ObamaCare prep? Not hardly. …

Hey, didn’t Obama say he would delay enforcement of that employer mandate? Hamilton doesn’t want to wait around to find out:

Well, maybe that is because, if the delay is found to be unconstitutional after the deadline in the law, the employers could rightly be held liable for payment of the tax. Without Congress amending the law, no employer could rely on not being liable for it, so the delay, effectively mean very little.

Dusty on August 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Let the spouses just go to the ER for health care like so many others do…
/

OmahaConservative on August 21, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Look at this ridiculous list that must be covered on Ocare at no extra cost to the insured (wink wink):

Anemia screening for pregnant women (on a routine basis)
Breast Cancer Genetic Test Counseling (BRCA) for women at higher risk for breast cancer
Breast Cancer Mammography screenings for women over 40, every 1 to 2 years
Breast Cancer Chemoprevention counseling for women at higher risk
Breastfeeding comprehensive support and counseling from trained providers, and access to breastfeeding supplies, for pregnant and nursing women
Cervical Cancer screening for sexually active women
Chlamydia Infection screening for younger women and other women at higher risk
Contraception: Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling, as prescribed by a health care provider for women with reproductive capacity (not including abortifacient drugs). This does not apply to health plans sponsored by certain exempt “religious employers.”
Well-woman visits to get recommended services for women under 65
Domestic and interpersonal violence screening and counseling for all women
Folic Acid supplements for women who may become pregnant
Gestational diabetes screening for women 24 to 28 weeks pregnant and those at high risk of developing gestational diabetes
Gonorrhea screening for all women at higher risk
Hepatitis B screening for pregnant women at their first prenatal visit
HIV screening and counseling for sexually active women
Human Papillomavirus (HPV) DNA Test every 3 years for women with normal cytology results who are 30 or older
Osteoporosis screening for women over age 60 depending on risk factors
Rh Incompatibility screening for all pregnant women and follow-up testing for women at higher risk
Sexually Transmitted Infections counseling for sexually active women
Syphilis screening for all pregnant women or other women at increased risk
Tobacco Use screening and interventions for all women, and expanded counseling for pregnant tobacco users
Urinary tract or other infection screening for pregnant women

hillsoftx on August 21, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…

Where?

In the garage?

Basement?

Or, do you really really really gotta like your doctor?

[BTW, the Dow has dropped below 15k...not much of a peep out of anyone on that little thing. Remember all the Team Obama "recovery" hoopla over it going over 15k? Not that long ago.]

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

the law requires employers to subsidize health-insurance costs for employees, but not for dependent children (meaning the employee has to pay full price), and they don’t have to cover spouses at all

Hey – I bet that new video contest to encourage youth to promote Obamacare could really use this point.

“Hey – want to really stick it to your parents? Obamacare!”

beatcanvas on August 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Obama and the Dems own this lock, stock, and barrel.

Although I like the name Obamacare for this POS legislation, but at what point do we rename it more accurately as ClusterphuckCare?

BuckeyeSam on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

hillsoftx on August 21, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I am a bit over 60…male…and in the past two years I have had such coverage put into my health insurance…and not for free, either.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Don’t you just wanna punch this guy in the mouth right now?

/Warning – creepy guy depicted in the pic.

Key West Reader on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

UPS has about 358,000 employees in the US. Dropping spousal medical coverage is huge!!!

Then again my former employee (a DOW company) is dropping medical insurance for retirees in 2015. They will replace it with a much smaller subsidy to help buy your own.

Dasher on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

This guy is absolutely destroying this entire society.

rplat on August 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Obama and the Dems own this lock, stock, and barrel.

Although I like the name Obamacare for this POS legislation, but at what point do we rename it more accurately as ClusterphuckCare?

BuckeyeSam on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I kind of like the name “Affordable Care Act.” It reminds low information voters that they voted to elect these idiots after promising them low cost coverage and increased access.

blammm on August 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Wow, who could have seen this coming?

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The UPS drivers are union, Teamsters I believe. Hard to square for me sometimes because my driver can be heard a mile away, he plays his truck radio at volume 11 on either a Christian station or the local conservative AM channel.

Thing is to be a UPS driver you need to start in the warehouse being a picker/loader and that is some awful duty, one of my foster kids did it as a temp around Christmas and equated it with a day-long P90X workout.

Bishop on August 21, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Don’t worry. This will be blamed on the employer and barry the dumb@ss will castigate those evil employers while vowing to help the little man.

JAGonzo on August 21, 2013 at 9:48 AM

[BTW, the Dow has dropped below 15k...not much of a peep out of anyone on that little thing. Remember all the Team Obama "recovery" hoopla over it going over 15k? Not that long ago.]

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

The DOW and the stock markets are totally detached from the economy… If they were strongly connected to the economy as they should be then the DOW should not be more than 10000 points because the real economy GDP, unemployment etc… are in shambles… The stock markets are controlled by a bunch of Limousine Liberals whose only goal is to force the US government to print trillions of dollars at zero interest and give it to them and also to buy their toxic assets, and all this at the terrible expense of the taxpayers… If the Federal government does not do so then these Limousine Liberals will destroy the stocks markets… The government is controlled by the Limousine liberals of Wall Street… They are the biggest enemies of Freedom and Capitalism…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 9:49 AM

When I Retired from the Military and went looking for Civilian jobs I got offered extra money because I didn’t need any health insurance coverage by my prospective employer(s). For one job is was an extra $2.00 an hour. I don’t think they can do that now with the new law. I would get screwed losing that extra money I was getting because my employer now “has to provide” health insurance to all employees, regardless if they need it or not.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

What do teachers and UPS have in common? Unions. UPS drivers are Teamsters. No sympathy from me.

And although I suspect Obama and the Democrats will feign outrage or even just concern I believe this is all going according to plan. They voiced their desire to kill private insurance and that seems to be just what is happening.

This government is tyrannical and must be stopped. Hello GOP?

Charlemagne on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Then again my former employee (a DOW company) is dropping medical insurance for retirees in 2015. They will replace it with a much smaller subsidy to help buy your own.

Dasher on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

May I ask which company is that?

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM

hillsoftx on August 21, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I don’t see any special coverage for men. I guess this is payback for cheaper dry cleaning bills.

BobMbx on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I kind of like the name “Affordable Care Act.” It reminds low information voters that they voted to elect these idiots after promising them low cost coverage and increased access.

blammm on August 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I call it BOHICA. Barack Obama’s Health Insurance Clusterf**k Act.

Or just “bend over, here it comes again”.

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago, the law requires employers to subsidize health-insurance costs for employees, but not for dependent children (meaning the employee has to pay full price), and they don’t have to cover spouses at all

a provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that will require employers to provide affordable health insurance for full-time employees and their dependents.

Which is it?

OldEnglish on August 21, 2013 at 9:31 AM

I think what it means is that the plans that are offered have to allow coverage for dependent children (though not dependent spouses – what if the spouse is under 26? Hmm.) but that the employers don’t have to subsidize any of the difference in premium between a single employee and a family plan. So, if the premium for single employee is $10K and the employer subsidizes 80%, or $8K, if the premium for same employee and two children is $17K, the employer still only has to pay $8K, and the employee has to come up with the entire $7K difference as well as the $2K as his/her share of the premium on the single policy. Note: numbers here are WAGS.

I still want to know how they think that nearly 10% of ones gross income is “affordable”. I know that my family doesn’t have a spare $600 a month just lying around, and we’re pulling in more than the median income in our town. Though with the way my husband’s hours are being cut, we’re probably going to be a lot closer than we were. Thank God for Tricare, and believe me that isn’t a phrase I ever thought I’d say.

LibraryGryffon on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…

Where?

In the garage?

Basement?

Or, do you really really really gotta like your doctor?

[BTW, the Dow has dropped below 15k...not much of a peep out of anyone on that little thing. Remember all the Team Obama "recovery" hoopla over it going over 15k? Not that long ago.]

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

LOL! I can’t stop laughing. Winner!

HiJack on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Don’t worry. This will be blamed on the employer and barry the dumb@ss will castigate those evil employers while vowing to help the little man.

JAGonzo on August 21, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Exactly. I’m a little surprised the HA trolls haven’t already appeared with comments about corporate greed, income inequity, and social justice.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

This government is tyrannical and must be stopped. Hello GOP?

Charlemagne on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Sorry, they’re not answering the phone. Getting some afternoon delight with the Donks.

HiJack on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Wow, who could have seen this coming?

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Not me.

My carrier dropped optical coverage two years ago.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Well shit folks – you vote for statists and this is what you get….
Keep voting for them to see the fully intended effects….

redguy on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

What do teachers and UPS have in common? Unions. UPS drivers are Teamsters. No sympathy from me.

Charlemagne on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Yes, it is interesting that the groups most supportive of Obama are some of the ones being most hurt by this law.

Well, interesting, but not really surprising, actually. That’s the history of Democrat policies.

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I may be a little confused as well but I think it’s known as redistribution.

antipc on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Separating health insurance from employment is a concept that many Leftists and conservatives could actually agree upon.

Unfortunately the agreement stops there. Leftists believe that the federal government should take over health insurance (anti-choice, authoritarian, higher costs) while conservatives and Libertarians believe that the health insurance market should be liberated from the massive over-regulation that existed even before ObamaCare (free market, freedom of choice, pro-consumer, lower costs).

Reminder: we’re $17,000,000,000,000 in debt.

visions on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I call it BOHICA. Barack Obama’s Health Insurance Clusterf**k Act.

Or just “bend over, here it comes again”.

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

That might catch on!

Key West Reader on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

blammm on August 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Your point is very well taken.

BuckeyeSam on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

WORST

LAW

EVER

WisCon on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Exactly. I’m a little surprised the HA trolls haven’t already appeared with comments about corporate greed, income inequity, and social justice.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

They get up around 2pm.

Key West Reader on August 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM

When I Retired from the Military and went looking for Civilian jobs I got offered extra money because I didn’t need any health insurance coverage by my prospective employer(s). For one job is was an extra $2.00 an hour. I don’t think they can do that now with the new law. I would get screwed losing that extra money I was getting because my employer now “has to provide” health insurance to all employees, regardless if they need it or not.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Not so fast Johnnyreb. You may need that health insurance. I’m assuming you are on TriCare. Well, McCain and others keep trying to make you accept your employer’s health plan and get off of TriCare. It’s one of the schemes for balancing budgets on the backs of military retirees.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM

This government is tyrannical and must be stopped. Hello GOP?

Charlemagne on August 21, 2013 at 9:50 AM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA……

Are you serious? I missed the /s tag…..

The GOP is part of the problem. There are as many statist, big government types in the GOP as are in the new socialist/democratic party….

It’s the people who are in D.C. are who the problem – all of them.

Time to write in candidates.

redguy on August 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The DOW and the stock markets are totally detached from the economy… If they were strongly connected to the economy as they should be then the DOW should not be more than 10000 points because the real economy GDP, unemployment etc… are in shambles… The stock markets are controlled by a bunch of Limousine Liberals whose only goal is to force the US government to print trillions of dollars at zero interest and give it to them and also to buy their toxic assets, and all this at the terrible expense of the taxpayers… If the Federal government does not do so then these Limousine Liberals will destroy the stocks markets… The government is controlled by the Limousine liberals of Wall Street… They are the biggest enemies of Freedom and Capitalism…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The DOW is being propped up by the Fed to the tune of $45 BILLION dollars a month for the last 3 years. Once that gets taken out of the picture (if ever), the stock market will react violently. Every single trader knows what is coming when that happens.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Reminder: we’re $17,000,000,000,000 in debt.

visions on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I just point out to people that we could have bought every single uninsured citizen a nice (insurance company of your choice) plan for less than the PPACA is costing us.

And I still get livid when they talk about it increasing access to care. It doesn’t. If there aren’t enough doctors, it doesn’t matter if you have a gold plated cadillac plan, you still won’t get timely actual medical care.

LibraryGryffon on August 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Exactly. I’m a little surprised the HA trolls haven’t already appeared with comments about corporate greed, income inequity, and social justice.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

They get up around 2pm.

Key West Reader on August 21, 2013 at 9:57 AM

But today is a special day. Their hero, the gay traitor, is about to be sentenced. I would imagine they got of their mom’s couch early, put on their free Bradley t-shirt, and are waiting the sentence.

Of course, if there is a thread about blacks shooting innocent white people they may hunker down a little.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:01 AM

The DOW is being propped up by the Fed to the tune of $45 BILLION dollars a month for the last 3 years. Once that gets taken out of the picture (if ever), the stock market will react violently. Every single trader knows what is coming when that happens.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Exactly… It is the biggest scam in history of the world… The mother of all bubbles…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Well, McCain and others keep trying to make you accept your employer’s health plan and get off of TriCare. It’s one of the schemes for balancing budgets on the backs of military retirees.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM

So far they haven’t made us pay for Tricare Standard. (I’m waiting for that promise to be broken too.)

My husband is retired Navy, and it seems that we’re automatically on Standard unless we opt for one of the premium, HMO type plans they have, at least until he hits 65. Now, if we have another plan, that plan will always be primary, sort of the reverse of Medicare, but I don’t think we can get off Tricare even if we wanted to.

LibraryGryffon on August 21, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Are UPS drivers unionized? If so I bet I can guess who the union supported in 2008 and 2012. We all know what a train wreck Obamacare is going to be. Just over half of us are not victims, they are getting what they deserve.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I believe that UPS is unionized, but Fedex is not.

dominigan on August 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Obama and his ObamaCare are putting the US into a permanent recession…
…but Obama is still awesomeness!!!!!
And he won a Nobel Peace Prize.
And he got Osama.

And the Republican party will never figure out how to use ObamaCare as a way to win votes in 2014 or 2016.

albill on August 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

All this AND the IRS frolicing through your medical files!

Wander on August 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

[BTW, the Dow has dropped below 15k...not much of a peep out of anyone on that little thing. Remember all the Team Obama "recovery" hoopla over it going over 15k? Not that long ago.]

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I was just thinking the other day about how the Obama campaign people were reportedly worried, back in October 2012, that Mitt Romney might somehow pull out the election and then he’d (unfairly) get the credit for all the wonderful consequences of Obama’s economic policies when the economy turned the corner — which these geniuses were convinced was just about to happen.

Too funny.

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Sad thing is that I have many relatives that are teachers who also voted for Obama. While it might start with substitute teachers, I don’t know many teachers that spend 40 hours a week in the classroom. Something to think about…

dominigan on August 21, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Hey, just to add to the fun-

Drudge has a link to a story about illegals in Chicago on a hunger strike demanding government-paid transplants. That’s right, it is bad enough that they are in the country illegally and have no health insurance. Now they see it as a right that the taxpayer would pick up the tab for their new liver.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Well shit folks – you vote for statists and this is what you get….
Keep voting for them to see the fully intended effects….

redguy on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Statists. Let’s call them what they are: Marxists.

HiJack on August 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

LibraryGryffon on August 21, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Thank you very much for clearing it up! A tad confusing, isn’t it.

OldEnglish on August 21, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

It was intended to provide cover for the expansion of Medicaid (a small increase in the short run and then universal coverage once the whole thing falls apart)… plain and simple.

blammm on August 21, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Reminder: we’re $17,000,000,000,000 in debt.
 
visions on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

 
C’mon, whose counting?
 
I mean that literally.

rogerb on August 21, 2013 at 10:15 AM

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

That was one of the ruses under which this monstrous plan was justified to the public. Back before its passage, there were lots of stories in the MSM about the plight of folks without health insurance.

Of course, now that Obamacare has been passed, what the MSM doesn’t tell people is that there are going to be at least as many people (30 million, according to the CBO’s estimates) without health insurance once Obamacare is fully implemented than there were before it was law, and we may actually end up with significantly more uninsured than we’ve ever had.

Meanwhile, we’ve got a new law that raises everybody’s health care costs, substantially increases the deficit (through billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies every year) creates hundreds of new government bureaucracies, and compromises everybody’s personal financial and medical information.

It’s idiocy on steroids.

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Who’s. Ha. Strange how it works equally well considering the topic, though.
 
Funny, that.

rogerb on August 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Now they see it as a right that the taxpayer would pick up the tab for their new liver.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

They, of all people, should understand that despite what Sammy Hagar said, “Mas tequila” is not a healthy way to go through life.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Anyone else see what I see on this? One of gay marriage’s (pushed by the Dims) big things has been wanting benefits (insurance) for their “spouse” , but due to O-care (pushed by the Dims) they won’t have coverage now. Ohhh the irony.

TXChas on August 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Obama’s new War on Women: UPS truck drivers get health insurance, but if their wives get sick, they are told to take a blue pill and die peacefully. Sorry, Sweetheart, we can’t afford to cure you!

Now, what was Sarah Palin talking about a few years ago?

Steve Z on August 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Don’t you just wanna punch this guy in the mouth right now?

/Warning – creepy guy depicted in the pic.

Key West Reader on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

No… no punches. I’m thinking more like a pillory in the mall, and a cat-o-nine.

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Oh, but it is! In the same way all socialist policies “help” the folks on the bottom – by lowering the folks on top to their level!

GWB on August 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Spousal coverage dropped as of last Jan 1st where I work.

Little Boomer on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM

When determining eligibility for a subsidy, they don’t count any assets, just income, so if you have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank and living off interest (ha!) you can qualify for government subsidies.

bopbottle on August 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Drudge has a link to a story about illegals in Chicago on a hunger strike demanding government-paid transplants. That’s right, it is bad enough that they are in the country illegally and have no health insurance. Now they see it as a right that the taxpayer would pick up the tab for their new liver.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM

It’s more than just the fact that illegal aliens want U.S. taxpayers to provide them with “free” transplant operations (and “free” lifelong follow-up care).

The illegal aliens also know they have a better chance of getting donated organs in the U.S. That’s because Mexico has a much lower rate of organ donation than the U.S. does. For example, in Mexico, the rate of donation from deceased donors for kidney transplants is 4.5 per million; in the U.S., it’s 29 per million (or more than six times higher than Mexico).

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM

ObamaCare, son of HillaryCare…

JoeHanson on August 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Me likey…. all going according to plan
-reid

cmsinaz on August 21, 2013 at 10:30 AM

… one of several “weird” unintended effects of the Affordable Care Act.

NOT AT ALL!

They want a single payer system. ObamaCare was passed in the heady days of Democratic ascendency. They were going to rule for the next generation.

Oh, they’d “try” and make it work, but the plan, ultimately, was to throw up their hands saying that it won’t work……….and move right into a socialist single-payer system.

Which is exactly want they wanted in the first place.

The only rub was that the Democrats lost the House in the 2010 elections.

GarandFan on August 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Many overlook the growing popularity of Salteados Riñones and Riñones fritos among the local population…and what with beef prices being what they are…a few extra chilis, a dash more cilantro…who can tell the difference?

/s/

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:36 AM

OT: Manning gets 35 years.

Chris of Rights on August 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Boom! Another hammer falls.

The libs must be so proud of the accomplishments

kirkill on August 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Who knew UPS was such a racist company? /

Midas on August 21, 2013 at 10:41 AM

I believe that UPS is unionized, but Fedex is not.

dominigan on August 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Correct. UPS drivers are Teamsters. FedEx drivers are not unionized because FedEx is considered an airline and thus falls under different federal regulations than does UPS so the Teamsters can’t unionize FedEx.

I used to work for FedEx Corp. in Memphis.

Charlemagne on August 21, 2013 at 10:41 AM

WORST

LAW

EVER

WisCon on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Until the Immigration reform act gets passed.

Then we have two major turds flowing through the economic system. The system will collapse, in our lifetime.

kirkill on August 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Midas on August 21, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Brown Power!!!

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I’m trying to remember and I’m a little confused….wasn’t this originally supposed to help the 8% of our population who did not have health insurance?

Ditkaca on August 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM

The original claim was to get coverage for the 30 million without insurance. But they claim after being fully implemented there will be only 30 million without coverage. … Oh wait! But maybe it is a different 30 million.

Dasher on August 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Why can’t you righties just get over it and learn to love free healthcare?

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM

hillsoftx, do you notice that most of that Obamacare free stuff relates to a lifestyle of sex, drugs and rock and roll? Support it, and you will get more of it.

I live in fear of October. My retirement health plan is going to zoom up as it’s a good one. Hope the crackheads who get subsidies appreciate it. I will be flipping burgers (hope to take the job of one of the strikers!) to pay for it.

And who can figure this crap out?? I bet Turbotax is developing a program right now to help, for a price.

PattyJ on August 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Proponents of single-payer consider this a feature, not a bug. Obamacare was designed to force people into the exchanges and break the insurance companies.

obladioblada on August 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Well, maybe that is because, if the delay is found to be unconstitutional after the deadline in the law, the employers could rightly be held liable for payment of the tax. Without Congress amending the law, no employer could rely on not being liable for it, so the delay, effectively mean very little.

Dusty on August 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM

This! Even more so when one knows that everytime he opens his mouth, the lies just spew. So why trust any EO like Stupak only to get run over by the red and black armored buses?

AH_C on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Reminder: we’re $17,000,000,000,000 in debt.

visions on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

No, that’s not true. It’s about 25 million dollars less than that. And it’s been stuck there for months…/

HiJack on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Single Payer Is The Goal. The greatest healthcare and delivery system ever known is on its way out. The R side of the isle is every bit as culpatable. They we have allowed this to occur. May all that support this utopian dream starve.

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM

It amazes me that articles written about Obamacare continue to use words like “unintended” and “unforeseen” even when written by conservatives like our authors here at HotAir.

This is not unintended. This is working as designed. If your employer offers you health care, even if it’s because the mandate to do so comes from the government, then you see that as a benefit being provided by your employer in exchange for your work. But if you go into the fantabulous Obamacare exchanges and the government gives you a subsidy to pay for your insurance, you see that as a freebie being given to you by the government in exchange for absolutely nothing.

That’s what the left wants. People to move, en masse, into these government-run exchanges so that they can get them dependent on the subsidies. They know that once you start giving people a government handout, it will never be repealed. Then, once they’ve got everybody hooked on the government paying for their insurance, they can drop the other shoe, which is the “these eeeeevil private insurance companies are driving up costs and we’ve got to get them out of the picture” and move to single payer.

Shump on August 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Racists

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Racists

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

What do teachers and UPS have in common? Unions. UPS drivers are Teamsters. No sympathy from me.

No, some UPS employees are Teamsters. Not all hourly workers, and none of the supervisors.

Vera on August 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Well, frick. My husband is self employed, and so our health insurance is through my job. We haven’t heard what my employer is going to do yet.

cptacek on August 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Heh.

UPS is unionized and teachers, well, they’re teachers. I hope they enjoy twisting in the wind, I know I’m going to enjoy watching them twist. I just love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.

mbecker908 on August 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM

The only losers in this scenario are taxpayers who have to fork over billions more than anticipated in exchange subsidies.

The proper term isn’t “weird.” It’s “perverse incentives,”

The proper term is “Cloward–Piven strategy”.

ITguy on August 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM

WORST

LAW

EVER

WisCon on August 21, 2013 at 9:56 AM

If Amnesty passes, Obamacare will be the second worst law ever.

MaiDee on August 21, 2013 at 11:18 AM

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