Oh, my: Nevada AFL-CIO not at all happy with the White House and ObamaCare

posted at 10:11 pm on August 21, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

This certainly isn’t the first overture unions have made to the Obama administration on their newfound disgruntlement with the law that they themselves vigorously supported initially, and I very much doubt it will be the last. On Wednesday, the AFL-CIO branch from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s home state voiced their angst over the incoming changes to the current setup of their health care packages, and their biggest gripe seems to have a lot to do with that little ol’ “if you like it, you can keep it” chestnut of days gone by:

WHEREAS, for two years we have sought from the Administration and Congress interpretations to the ACA that merely allows us keep the health plans we currently have: nothing more, nothing less. No special treatment. To date, the Administration has postured on proposals to address the problem, but no proposal to date will actually solve the problem. Our health plans only get worse;

WHEREAS, as a result of Administration inaction to fix the problem, the unintended consequences of the ACA will lead to the destruction of the 40 hour work week, higher taxes and force union members onto more costly plans–eventually destroying the Taft-Hartley Funds completely;

WHEREAS, we are only looking to keep the healthcare plans we have. Nothing more. Nothing less. We are not asking for any special treatment, no additions to what is currently provided by our Taft-Hartley Plans, merely to be allowed to keep the plans we have worked hard to secure for the 65 years we have been governed by the Taft-Hartley law;

Read the whole thing here.

Unions have been relentlessly lobbying the Obama administration to get them to preserve the current Taft-Hartley arrangement under which union members in certain industries can receive health care plans via the joint administration of participating unions and companies, but the administration is so far sticking to their guns on classifying the plans as equivalent to other employer-based plans that are not eligible for the much-vaunted subsidies. The unions are obviously not pleased.

In an interview, UNITE HERE President D. Taylor said the union has been in talks with the White House and the Treasury Department over how Taft-Hartley plans should be interpreted under the law. According to Taylor, if workers under Taft-Hartley plans aren’t eligible for subsidies, employers will see little reason to remain a part of such plans down the road, potentially forcing workers to purchase their own health care on the state-run exchanges, which are unlikely to offer so much coverage at such low rates. …

“We’ve been working for over two years with essentially all aspects of the government, including Treasury, which wants to interpret [Taft-Hartley] as an employer plan, and it’s not,” Taylor said. “The Affordable Care Act has clearly been devised so that it would make our nonprofit Taft-Hartley plans completely uncompetitive.”

“We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like,” Taylor added.


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Neither am I

Scrumpy on August 21, 2013 at 10:16 PM

This idiocy called Obamacare created by a bunch of incompetent fools who are headed by the most incompetent fool in the history of American politics is going to eventually crumble down on its own… and sooner than many people think…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Screw you Unions, you wanted it, you got it…

Now roll over and play nice for Obama, there’s a good Union!

Scrumpy on August 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM

The beatings will continue until public unions are outlawed or admit that they are wrong.

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM

…but they worked hard to make sure the Cadaver got re-elected!

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 10:23 PM

a few years ago hauling a load between vegas and reno in a little nv town I saw a sign that said

“Will Rogers: I never met a man I didn’t like
Obviously Will never met Harry Reed.”

Fred

ps hi chrissy

jrsrigmvr on August 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

“We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like,” Taylor added.

Giving new meaning to the term very, very, very slow learner.Begging for a waiver while the rest of us are screwed.

chemman on August 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

FU nions

SouthernGent on August 21, 2013 at 10:26 PM

No special treatment

…HA!

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

You folks don’t get it. Obama and company are going to continue to exempt their supporters until they have over 50% not subject to Obamacare, and the rest of us will be left holding the bag.

Hasn’t EVERYTHING else they’ve done in the last 40 years taught you anything at all?

Wino on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

“Harcourt? Harcourt Fenton Reid, you lazy good-for-nothing, have you been drinking again?…”

Lanceman on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

“We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like,” Taylor added.
================================

Good luck wit dat!!

canopfor on August 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM

jrsrigmvr on August 21, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Good evening Fred :)

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Talking about the Duncan OK murder…

Scrumpy on August 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Obama will never let go of his legacy, even though the entire bill was written long before he was first sworn in. This disaster is more a product of long-time liberal/socialist efforts, tweaked and ripened over time to Marxist perfection (which is to get to single-payer, but that’s another story). Long as it has his name on it, Obama’s narcissism and statist politics will never let it be lost.

So, that leaves Obama one option: Buy off the unions. Either with a waiver; or cash; or push through some new law that benefits unions only; or anything else he needs.

The simpering unions will eventually get their pacifier. It’s just going to take a little time to work out the details for the final payoff amount.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

and their biggest gripe seems to have a lot to do with that little ol’ “if you like it, you can keep it” chestnut of days gone by

They can live by my version of that:

If you supported it, you can choke on it.

Dirtbags, all of them. I hope their kidneys fail.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 21, 2013 at 10:33 PM

This idiocy called Obamacare created by a bunch of incompetent fools who are headed by the most incompetent fool in the history of American politics is going to eventually crumble down on its own… and sooner than many people think…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 10:18 PM

People said they same about Medicaid and Medicare, yet here we are.

jawkneemusic on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

“Harcourt? Harcourt Fenton Reid, you lazy good-for-nothing, have you been drinking again?…”

Lanceman on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

…grape Kool-Aid!

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Unions aren’t opposed to Obamacare. They just don’t want it applied to them. They could give a sh!t about everyone else.

Mark1971 on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

We are not asking for any special treatment

Really? You bastards wanted ObamaCare, you’ve got it! Now STFU and bend over.

“We want to hold the president to his word that you can keep the plan you like,”

Sorry numbnuts, but everything King Barry says comes with an expiration date.

GarandFan on August 21, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Not happy? The HeII you say!?!?

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I don’t think conservatives are well served panning unions. Union labor has been trending downward for decades, but there are still a lot of us. There are so many conservatives working in labor unions both skilled and unskilled. I have been working actively in my UAW local to build awareness and break the blind loyalty to democrats.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

In the end I wouldn’t be surprised if the only people who still want to fund it is Obama and the Republican leadership.

JellyToast on August 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

You sir are a brave soul. Watch your back. ; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

So will they be joining the Tea Parties rather than beating them up? And will the wear matching t-shirts?

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Good for you, I have to believe that there are a ton of like minded hard working folks in unions. They just need to stop backing the wrong horse.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM

The whole point of Obamacare was to “give” healthcare to those who can’t afford it. The only way to do that is to tax Everybody on the plans they have now, that means Everybody will pay more. Why should unions be exempt from having to pay extra for others to have free healthcare. Congress should have to participate in this crap Obamacare plan that they’ve given us.

xdwall on August 21, 2013 at 10:45 PM

People said they same about Medicaid and Medicare, yet here we are.

jawkneemusic on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Medicare and Medicaid were vastly more popular than Obamacare…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

You sir are a brave soul. Watch your back. ; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I have more brothers watching my back than I could have ever imagined. For a guy who crossed the picket line a few years ago to being an officer, It blows me away. So many presuppositions about union rank and file are decimated. I work with some great guys who are conservative activists. We have to be quasi down low on site, but I think it is trending in the right direction.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

I think it is trending in the right direction.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Good deal. ; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Eat it, union stooges.

Every.

Last.

Bite.

CurtZHP on August 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Ditto to what Cindy said. Are you having any luck with changing hearts and minds?

PatriotGal2257 on August 21, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Sounds like you are getting some good results. Keep up the good work!

PatriotGal2257 on August 21, 2013 at 10:51 PM

The unions bought & paid for Obama. Stick ObamaCare up your ass. Just like the rest of us

drivingtheview on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 PM

We have to be quasi down low on site, but I think it is trending in the right direction.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 PM

There are some conservatives in unions only because the unions have been given partial ownership in companies they have no business dictating anything to and any conservatives who want to work at those companies are forced to join the unions. But, conservatives could never “take over” a union because the very idea of the closed shop is antithetical to all conservative values and to the Constitution. Unions will always be bastions of leftism because their very existence (the ownership in companies of others that unions are given) is due to leftist perversion of private property.

I feel for those who are forced to join unions (I had dues taken out of my checks when I taught at universities) but rest assured that there will never be any unions run by actual conservatives because actual conservatives are against the very idea of unions and, most especially, the offensive concept of the closed shop that allows labor to dictate to the owners of companies how they should run their companies and who they should hire.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 21, 2013 at 10:55 PM

The simpering unions will eventually get their pacifier. It’s just going to take a little time to work out the details for the final payoff amount.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

The unions will get what they want and has been agreed upon and then they’ll use it as a recruiting tool. These guys are thinking way in the future while the Republicans are just doddering along.

Vince on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Unions – Spider

Obama – Tommy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPE7Qr5O6Fg

a5minmajor on August 21, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Reap what you sow union dirtbags.

banzaibob on August 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Yes, Virginia, Big Labor is run by idiots who are as stupid as they are thuggish.

Our only hope for this country is that it begins to reap what it has sown, and learns the fallacy of its actions thereby. And that it does so in a non-fatal way, and grows up.

This is a start. Any idiot should have seen that this law cannot work, as it denies economic reality. The best plan forward is to divorce health care and employment totally, thereby getting the government and its market-warping tax deductions out of the equation, and to let individuals and families make their own decisions.

As for holding obama to his promises, I suspect the labor bosses would do better nailing jello to a wall.

paul1149 on August 21, 2013 at 11:14 PM

If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor

slickwillie2001 on August 21, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

But your union dues are still going straight into the pockets of Democrat politicians.

ardenenoch on August 21, 2013 at 11:34 PM

“Harcourt? Harcourt Fenton Reid, you lazy good-for-nothing, have you been drinking again?…”

Lanceman on August 21, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Nice. (That was a good episode you’ve adapted.)

Kevin K. on August 21, 2013 at 11:44 PM

It’s ok. The president can just unilatterally create another exception to the law, exempting the AFL-CIO from a law the rest of us are stuck with. Obamaland; it’s REAL!

Arnold Yabenson on August 21, 2013 at 11:52 PM

They bought Reid and Reid is bought by Obama.

The only hope the unions have is to jump in bed with the Republicans /s

redguy on August 22, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Unions backed ObamaCare because they thought they could use it as an escape hatch for their underfunded retirement medical plans.

Now they realize it will destroy their entire business model.

Call me cynical, but I find more than a little humor in this situation.

novaculus on August 22, 2013 at 12:27 AM

The Mafia and all its various front groups is rarely ever happy.

Just ask JFK.

viking01 on August 22, 2013 at 12:37 AM

going to eventually crumble down on its own… and sooner than many people think…

mnjg on August 21, 2013 at 10:18 PM

And be replaced by single payer

This thing is fun to watch, but if you think it means anything electorally…you’re wrong.

ChrisL on August 22, 2013 at 12:55 AM

You would think Harry would be the logical mediator.

But Harry don’t mediate. Harry deposits checks. Do you have a check for the Senator today? Yes? Come right in, he’d be delighted to know what is on your mind. You don’t? Why don’t you just call the office for an appointment, I’m sure he will squeeze you in sometime real soon.

Hey, you don’t get to be a multimillionaire on a congressional salary alone without knowing who to run interference for and who to ignore.

Adjoran on August 22, 2013 at 1:17 AM

There are so many conservatives working in labor unions both skilled and unskilled. I have been working actively in my UAW local to build awareness and break the blind loyalty to democrats.

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Many of the Teamsters I’ve gotten to know “off site” here in Las Vegas, away from their work are turning more and more conservative, if they aren’t there already.

One union member friend of mine (not Teamsters) who had been a staunch lifelong democrat recently asked me (I’m kinda known as ‘the gun guy’ in my circles) to help his wife and him pick out the right self-defense tools for their home and carry purposes. In our conversations, I was amazed to hear how he and his wife finally connected the dots and discovered that liberalism was the cause of our country’s downfall. I’d never have believed that this guy would have turned, but he did.

Harbingeing on August 22, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Hey unions!! Take what you are given woman and men or else you get the hose again.

Dollayo on August 22, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Goodness, well lookie here; the gimme more unnion crowd doesn’t like what they all forced upon the rest of us. Not to worry guys and gals; the annointed one will give you waivers (for a while) now that he’s used you for his own ends in taking this, your country down. Do you realloy think he gives a hoot about your concerns, your families, your needs, beyond his own poltical needs?
A helpful hint: the next time you gang up on people and abuse your organizing power to force something upon all of society. Make sure it barrel is pointed the other way because the butt really belongs to you.

Don L on August 22, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Many of the Teamsters I’ve gotten to know “off site” here in Las Vegas, away from their work are turning more and more conservative, if they aren’t there already.

When the Godless radicals of the 60s began their often violent, in your face, (orchestrated by the socialist left) upheavel of America, it was the construction type unions that met them face to face–with their drugs and lust world.

Sadly, their sons and daughters went over to the other side as the recent election shows.

Don L on August 22, 2013 at 2:51 AM

But are the Pomegranate trees lonely? That is all that matters.

pat on August 22, 2013 at 3:13 AM

I’ve worked union sites for a long time. I’m a specialist that unions can’t replace or block, so I’ve been in power plants, sewage and water treatment.. heck, almost any type of industrial site you can think of. I can assure you that Murphy9 is not from the NY or NJ area. Those folks are as yellow dog as yellow dogs can get.

I still hate unions. I’ll never work for one. I will never support one. I prefer to gain my advancements, raises, and promotions through effort, intelligence, and ability, not through blowing the shop steward or letting him screw my daughter. If you’re truly conservative, get a job somewhere else and let the unions keep their quasi-welfare jobs. Over-paid, under-worked, incompetent buffoons is all I’ve ever seen in unions.

But I’ve only been doing this for 30 years, maybe I haven’t been to the one union site where the above isn’t true. It’s rumored to exist. I think Big Foot hangs out in their cafeteria.

Wino on August 22, 2013 at 4:30 AM

Maybe now the unions in Nevada will fire Harry’s sorry butt.

sadatoni on August 22, 2013 at 7:38 AM

Unions aren’t opposed to Obamacare. They just don’t want it applied to them. They could give a sh!t about everyone else.

Mark1971 on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

They’ll get their exemption, I’m sure.

rickv404 on August 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM

What I find most interesting is that Liberals still firmly believe that Obamacare will lower premiums by 75 percent in states that are whole-heartedly supporting it. I’ve talked to a few and their faith in Obama is touching, sort of like a little child’s faith in Santa. And nothing I can say will change their minds. They all say something along the lines of “you just wait and see, the premiums will drop by 75 percent next year in New York when Obamacare kicks in.”

Fred 2 on August 22, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Talking about the Duncan OK murder…

Scrumpy on August 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Thanks Scrumpy. BTW, has HA had a single blog posting on that tragedy?

socalcon on August 22, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Unions are awful, and I loathe them.

For the conservatives Hot Air folks who are members of them, would you continue to be a member if you were not required/forced to be in the union?

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Oh my – they still vote for Democrats.

alanstern on August 22, 2013 at 9:09 AM

The onions are pissed. NOW? That steaming pile of legislation was passed in Jan 2010, wasn’t it?

Sheesh, reminds me of a onion vote I participated in in the ’80′s: kept current members wages/benes in place (no increase) and cut new members. Before long, hours were going to thousands of newly hired grocery clerks. Onion leadership was irate… Not. They had the all dues from the new members in the bank- senior members got the short end of the stick.

These people are evil.

socalcon on August 22, 2013 at 9:09 AM

WHEREAS, we are only looking to keep the healthcare plans we have. Nothing more. Nothing less. We are not asking for any special treatment,…

Hello!?!?

That is asking for special treatment. Nobody else gets to keep the healthcare plans they have if they don’t pass muster.

taznar on August 22, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Hey, union members! Remember to thank your union stewards and lobbyists for bringing you a shorter, 29.9 hour work week!

blammm on August 22, 2013 at 9:19 AM

WHEREAS, as a result of Administration inaction to fix the problem, the unintended consequences of the ACA will lead to the destruction of the 40 hour work week, higher taxes and force union members onto more costly plans–eventually destroying the Taft-Hartley Funds completely;

WHEREAS, we are only looking to keep the healthcare plans we have. Nothing more. Nothing less. We are not asking for any special treatment, no additions to what is currently provided by our Taft-Hartley Plans, merely to be allowed to keep the plans we have worked hard to secure for the 65 years we have been governed by the Taft-Hartley law;

Hey, guys, you had a chance to preserve your Taft-Hartley plans. Remember when Mitt Romney said he would grant ObamaCare waivers to all 50 states until it was repealed? You could have elected HIM President and kept your Taft-Hartley plans until Congress repealed ObummerCare. Why did you campaign for Obama and then complain about what he’s doing?

Steve Z on August 22, 2013 at 10:31 AM

jawkneemusic on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 PM

As was noted – both Medicaid and Medicare were passed with bipartisan support, and when they hit their implementation troubles there was a reservoir of support to do what was necessary.

When you pass a bill on straight party line with legislative tricks, you have no support when it fails, because the other side already maintained it was a stinking heap of garbage.

ChrisL on August 22, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I understand your concern – but how exactly are they going to pass single payer? There is no support for it, you couldn’t break the filibuster in the senate and even get a bill introduced in the house.

Chicago Trib called for the delay or redo of ObamaCare. The good ship ObamaCare is taking water – heavily. It won’t survive much longer. Just wait until this fall’s open enrollment period – you think the stories are bad now.

Zomcon JEM on August 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

AFL-CIO: Congratulations, useful idiots.

kjatexas on August 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I am a partner in a small business and we’ve just been informed by our agent that the base cost for the health insurance we’ve always provided for our 50 employees will increase by 38% on 1/1/14. Guess what decision we’re going to be forced to make? Welcome aboard, AFL-CIO!

Hucklebuck on August 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Guess they’re “finding out what’s in it”

mel23059 on August 22, 2013 at 12:22 PM

2700 pages of gobble-de-gook from a bunch of statist lawyers. Nah, nothing could go wrong /s

mel23059 on August 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM

It hurts when you find out that you’re the Rube.

Another Drew on August 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM