Manning sentence: 35 years and a dishonorable discharge

posted at 10:41 am on August 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

He could have gotten 90 years for the crimes a court-martial decided he was guilty of committing. Prosecutors wanted 60 years.  In that context, Bradley Manning caught a break with a 35-year sentence, reduced by time served plus 112 days, for his theft and dissemination of highly sensitive material to Wikileaks:

The Army soldier who leaked more than 700,000 Iraq and Afghanistan battlefield reports and diplomatic cables while working as an intelligence analyst was sentenced Wednesday to 35 years in prison.

Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, who gave reams of classified information to WikiLeaks, faced up to 90 years in prison.

Prosecutors asked for at least a 60-year prison term. Capt. Joe Morrow said in his closing argument Monday that a long prison sentence would dissuade other soldiers from following in Manning’s footsteps.

Fox News stacks that up against sentences in similar cases:

Army Spec. Albert T. Sombolay got a 34-year-sentence in 1991 for giving a Jordanian intelligence agent information on the buildup for the first Iraq war, plus other documents and samples of U.S. Army chemical protection equipment. Marine Sgt. Clayton Lonetree, the only Marine ever convicted of espionage, was given a 30-year sentence, later reduced to 15 years, for giving the Soviet KGB the identities of U.S. CIA agents and the floor plans of the embassies in Moscow and Vienna in the early 1980s.

U.S. civilian courts have ordered life in prison for spies, including Aldrich Ames, a former CIA case officer convicted in 1994 of spying for the Soviet Union and Russia and former FBI agent Robert Hanssen, convicted in 2001 of spying for Moscow.

Earlier this week, the court released documents explaining the conviction:

But in court documents released earlier this week that explained her verdicts, Lind said Manning’s conduct “was both wanton and reckless.” She added that it “was of a heedless nature that made it actually and imminently dangerous to others.”

Manning last week apologized for his actions in a short statement he read during the trial’s sentencing phase. “I’m sorry that my actions hurt people,” Manning said. “I’m sorry that they hurt the United States.

“When I made these decisions, I believed I was going to help people, not hurt people.”

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange undercut that apology a bit later:

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, said Manning’s apology was a “forced decision” aimed at reducing his potential jail sentence. In a statement he said the apology had been “extorted from him under the overbearing weight of the United States military justice system.”

Assuming Manning ends up serving 80% of his sentence as usual in federal cases, he’ll be eligible for parole in 2041, when he’s 53 years old [see update].  His sentence could be shortened in the future, but Manning won’t step out of prison for a long time, regardless.

In other military-trial news, Fort Hood massacre shooter Nidal Hasan has rested his case — without taking the stand or calling a single witness in his defense:

The soldier on trial for the 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood has rested his case without calling any witnesses.

Maj. Nidal Hasan is representing himself but told the judge Wednesday that he wouldn’t be calling any witnesses in his defense.

This comes as no surprise at all. Who was he going to call? He’s admitted to the shootings in court already.  He’s playing for a chance to give a speech lauding his jihad in closing arguments and during the sentencing phase.  He’ll either be in prison a lot longer than Bradley Manning, or leaving it a lot earlier … feet first.

Update: Some sources suggest that Manning can become eligible for parole after serving a third of his sentence.  With credit off for time served, that sounds like about 10-11 years from now, when he’ll be in his mid-30s.  That’s if he gets parole on his first attempt, though, but also if the Pentagon doesn’t reduce his sentence later.


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Meh, his defense claimed his gayness “a mental disorder which prevented him to serve properly”.

Have it both ways?

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Manning deserves to be put under the jail.

As far as Hassan, the Muslim Terroris,t goes,

He’ll either be in prison a lot longer than Bradley Manning, or leaving it a lot earlier … feet first.

May I request the second option, please?

kingsjester on August 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Manning gets 35 years?

Folks out in Fort Leavenworth looking forward to his arrival.

Really really really looking forward to his arrival.

He may get out of prison when he is 53, but he will look and feel 80, if not older.

Doesn’t look like the type to get good mileage…in the yard.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Should have been a much shorter sentence, IMHO.

Five minutes underneath a noose would be sufficient for me.

I can only imagine the number of American soldiers that were shot for traitorous behavior far less serious than this.

turfmann on August 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Meh, his defense claimed his gayness “a mental disorder which prevented him to serve properly”.

Have it both ways?

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Pretty much. I guess having “gender identity” issues makes it more acceptable to steal and disclose over 700K documents. At least to the judge. 35 years wasn’t nearly enough for what he did.

Of course this comes after decades of activists telling us that gays kicked out of the military were super-patriots who only want to serve their nation. They used the 9/11/01 atrocities to highlight gays who were kicked out from jobs as interpreters or intelligence. Well, Bradley Manning proves that gays can also be traitors.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:50 AM

This will be the worst 35 years he ever lived.

Still, a .22 to the back of the left year is far cheaper to the taxpayer.

thejackal on August 21, 2013 at 10:50 AM

year should be “ear”

I hate myself sometimes.

thejackal on August 21, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

When did we kill people for going postal? You act as if this were a terrorist attack or something. We must not jump to conclusions.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Meh! I’d still have opted for the “Man Without A Country” sentence. As for Hassan, I’d probably get moderated for what I think should happen to him.

yesiamapirate on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

OT – if obama had 3 sons, they’d look like this. This is all over the news, Oklahoma, the US, Australia and the world are in absolute shock.

obama to speak about it, and the Christian church burnings, like in the dark ages, in 3, 2, 1…

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

What a disgusting poof.

Will get get to wear lipstick and a blond wig in prison and sing, “I Feel Pretty, oh So Pretty….”

sentinelrules on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I still think ultimately the sentence will be reduced. A while back, I found a list of servicemen who had been convicted of passing info to the ruskies and stasi. All their sentences were reduced on review by the military. On the radio, they said Manning is eligible for parole after he serves a third of his sentence. So, with the time he has already served in custody, he has about 8+ years before he can apply for parole.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

35 years and a dishonorable discharge

Slap on the (limp) wrist.

Pork-Chop on August 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

How soon until a ‘movement’ is started by liberals to free Manning like they want Mumia freed?

There is no way I can see Hasan being executed. Hell, the trial judge would not let the prosecution mention jihad as Hasan’s motive, and restricted other details pertinent to the Army’s case — much like how the judge in the Zimmerman trial limited the defense and almost bent over backward to help the prosecutors.

Unless Obama pardons him, which I believe is unlikely, Hasan will never set foot out of prison again. Not good enough for me, but it’ll have to do.

Now, I hope the survivors and the families of those murdered start their suits against the government. All those shot deserve at least the Purple Heart, and all other things due to soldiers killed by enemy action. That will take years to sort out, sadly, until long after Obama is out of office. Long as he’s in the White House, nothing will be allowed to impugn his name or stain his legacy.

Sad, really. And further proof of how sick and corrupted our government has become.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Hopefully he is in general so everyone gets a chance to “stand up in it.”

Murphy9 on August 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Indeed. Why was he arrested in the first place?

happytobehere on August 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I’m not sure his Commander in Chief ever saw him as someone in need of such punishment. After all, I’m sure he would say that it would be wrong and excessive to put to death a perpetrator of mere workplace violence. In other words, if this terrorist gets the death penalty, expect a pardon.

TXUS on August 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Slap on the (limp) wrist.

Pork-Chop on August 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

At least he’ll never be able to legally own a firearm. That should make the anti-Second crowd happy.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:55 AM

We can all rest easy knowing that Manning will probably get his sex-change operation and Hasan will likely receive psychiatric treatment for his workplace violence tendencies….all paid for by the US Taxpayer.

Winning!

workingclass artist on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Folks out in Fort Leavenworth looking forward to his arrival.

Really really really looking forward to his arrival.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I can see it now. Manning in an orange jumpsuit gets down out of the back of a white van and the first thing he sees is a big banner proclaiming “Welcome Bradley!”

I wonder what all those kooks outside Fort Meade are going to do now. I’m sure they’ll go protest something else but maybe they’ll stay put and just start in on the NSA.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Have it both ways?

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM

You’ve just defined liberalism.

gwelf on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Betcha Manning is on the next cover of Rolling Stone.

patman77 on August 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM

He broke the Law. This is the Price you pay.

Every case such as this, where Justice is Meted out,
allows me to retain a shred of Faith in our System…

ToddPA on August 21, 2013 at 10:58 AM

He’ll either be in prison a lot longer than Bradley Manning, or leaving it a lot earlier … feet first.

All efforts by the judge to avert that outcome notwithstanding, of course.

Midas on August 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM

There is no way I can see Hasan being executed. Hell, the trial judge would not let the prosecution mention jihad as Hasan’s motive, and restricted other details pertinent to the Army’s case — much like how the judge in the Zimmerman trial limited the defense and almost bent over backward to help the prosecutors.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

There is no question that he is guilty of multiple first degree murder. Whether he gets the DP or not depends on what the jury recommends after the penalty trial where different rules of evidence apply. What may not have been admissible at the guilt phase is admissible at the penalty phase.

The only problem with him getting the DP is that he is representing himself and doing a pathetic job. There is always a fear that the jury will feel sorry for a pro per defendant. It really doesn’t matter since the federal courts drag these federal dp cases out for decades. Except for McVeigh who was a volunteer, I can’t remember when the last federal execution was carried out.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Not nearly enough time for the skeevy little traitor.

AZCoyote on August 21, 2013 at 11:01 AM

That dishonorable discharge will follow him.

Moesart on August 21, 2013 at 11:01 AM

They will be HARD on Manning at Leavenworth.Hasan will be stewing in his crusty diapers and won’t be getting the medical care he has been getting.He won’t last long.

docflash on August 21, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Hell, the trial judge would not let the prosecution mention jihad as Hasan’s motive, and restricted other details pertinent to the Army’s case — much like how the judge in the Zimmerman trial limited the defense and almost bent over backward to help the prosecutors.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

As I said a few weeks ago. Holder and the DOJ have been all up in the Judges/Prosecutors A$$ in the Hasan case just like they were with Zimmerman. They gave the Judge his marching orders and under no circumstances will he let the words Jihad, Muslim, Terrorist, etc. be uttered in the courtroom and put on record. The narrative of “work place violence” falls apart if those words are put on the Record of Trial.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM

That is a criminally short sentence.

If he wasn’t going to get the death penalty, then he should have been given life.

This vile slob Manning should never be allowed to walk free again.

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM

35 years and a dishonorable discharge

Slap on the (limp) wrist.

Pork-Chop on August 21, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Within moments of Manning’s arrival in Kansas…there will be a dishonorable discharge.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

This will be the worst 35 years he ever lived.
Still, a .22 to the back of the left year is far cheaper to the taxpayer.
thejackal on August 21, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?
nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Should have been a much shorter sentence, IMHO.
Five minutes underneath a noose would be sufficient for me.
I can only imagine the number of American soldiers that were shot for traitorous behavior far less serious than this.
turfmann on August 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Can any of you clowns identify one thing Bradley Manning has done for which he deserves death? Is exposing the actions by the Federal govt and its military something that he should be killed over?

So much for conservatives being pro life. You all and your worthless party are only for debt and death.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Slightly OT…but was just watching the CNN clip of Toobin liking Greenwald’s partner’s maneuvers to that of a ‘drug mule’.
Perhaps a bit crass, but it’s still an apt metaphor.

I remain conflicted on Manning, but feel some sort of prison sentence was warranted here.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I sadly have to agree with you. The Ft. Hood terror attack must not be allowed to call Obama into question. Which is odd, since refusing to see it for what it was still stains Obama.

Liam on August 21, 2013 at 11:07 AM

The sister of the guy who kidnapped the girl and murdered the mother and brother says she wants dna tests because she thinks that the kids were her brothers. In other words, she thinks her brother murdered his own son and had sex with his own daughter? The lady is nuts! Why would she even pursue this??? Not like dna testing is going to happen, but she was the one claiming at first her brother would never had done this.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Hasan should be HUNG!

GarandFan on August 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I can see it now. Manning in an orange jumpsuit gets down out of the back of a white van and the first thing he sees is a big banner proclaiming “Welcome Bradley!”

“I must admit I didn’t think much of Bradley Manning first time I laid eyes on him; looked like a stiff military code would blow him over. That was my first impression of the man.”

“I could see why some of the boys took him for snobby. He had a quiet way about him, a walk and a talk that just wasn’t normal around here. He strolled, like a lady in a park without a care or a worry in the world, like he had on an invisible coat that would shield him from this place. Yeah, I think it would be fair to say… I liked Bradley from the start.”

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

No objections to the sentence. Nevertheless there are people in the Obama Administration who have done far worse damage to this country– who are not only dodging punishment but are getting promoted.

MaiDee on August 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM

All efforts by the judge to avert that outcome notwithstanding, of course.

Midas on August 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I gotta say, the judge in the Zimmerman trial and the military judges in the Manning and Hasan trials all have one thing in common. An overwhelming bias on behalf of the bad guys.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Less than Pollard’s life sentence.

The Pentagon is a joke of gigantic proportions. FU.

Masih ad-Dajjal on August 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

When did Julian register?

JAGonzo on August 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

As I said a few weeks ago. Holder and the DOJ have been all up in the Judges/Prosecutors A$$ in the Hasan case just like they were with Zimmerman. They gave the Judge his marching orders and under no circumstances will he let the words Jihad, Muslim, Terrorist, etc. be uttered in the courtroom and put on record. The narrative of “work place violence” falls apart if those words are put on the Record of Trial.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Silly.
This is all very present.
You think the jury of senior US Officers are idiots and incapable of understanding the many elements at lay here?

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM

So we get 35 years of listening to “Free Bradley Manning” now.

Joy.

Red Cloud on August 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Hasan should be HUNG!

GarandFan on August 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

My preference is that Hasan be hanged.

How well endowed he is or is not is of no concern to me.

:-)

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Can any of you clowns identify one thing Bradley Manning has done for which he deserves death? Disclosing over 700K documents, haven’t you been paying attention you effing moron?

Is exposing the actions by the Federal govt and its military something that he should be killed over? A gay PFC doesn’t get to choose what actions are “exposed.” He betrayed his oath of enlistment. Copies of the documents he disclosed were, found in the compound where OBL was killed. The gay traitor is not a hero here.

So much for conservatives being pro life. You all and your worthless party are only for debt and death. Wow conservatives are pro-debt. Why don’t you do a little research about that one.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I didn’t realize Manning and HASAN were the same person. Thanks for pointing that out.

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The lady is nuts! Why would she even pursue this??? Not like dna testing is going to happen, but she was the one claiming at first her brother would never had done this.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

$112,000 in life insurance money.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM

So we get 35 years of listening to “Free Bradley Manning” now.

Joy.

Red Cloud on August 21, 2013 at 11:16 AM

No. You get the next 3 years of listening to “Pardon Bradley Manning” now. Then you get to watch him get the Presidential pardon.

Pale Rider on August 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Given the scale of the release of classified information by Manning, I was hoping for a sentence far closer to the 60 years that the Government was seeking. This would also be far closer to what Hansen and Ames rightly received – and fits a ‘wanton and reckless’ conduct.

I’m afraid that with pinheads trying to label this traitor as a ‘whistleblower’ – we are going to see the same irresponsible and misguided fan-boy activities that we see far too often regarding the wanton and reckless cop-killer Mumia. More will also embrace the intellectual bankruptcy of giving Manning a break because of his homosexuality.

Athos on August 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM

You think the jury of senior US Officers are idiots and incapable of understanding the many elements at lay here?

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM

“Understanding elements at [p]lay” is not the issue. A jury can only convict on the evidence given at trial.

Suppose a man is on trial for murder, and the murder weapon is thrown out because the police found it during an illegal search. But the jury finds him guilty based on the murder weapon, because they “understand the many elements at play”. In your world, that works, right?

Well in The Real World ™, a defense lawyer is going to appeal that conviction, and win. Cause you can’t consider evidence not admitted at trial.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The sister of the guy who kidnapped the girl and murdered the mother and brother says she wants dna tests because she thinks that the kids were her brothers. In other words, she thinks her brother murdered his own son and had sex with his own daughter? The lady is nuts! Why would she even pursue this??? Not like dna testing is going to happen, but she was the one claiming at first her brother would never had done this.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

No she’s not nuts and the attorney she hired (whoever it is) obviously knows his stuff. If the kid was his daughter, then the question becomes was it reasonable for police to kill him. If he was the father, then his right to custodfy of the minor child is absolute until removed by a court. Of course the police will argue that they had no way of knowing that he could be the father.

Which is bull because the mother hasn’t lived with her husband for awhile. I suspected that he was the father from the beginning. I also think it’s plausible that mom set the fire because she was mad at him because he was going to claim paternity. It’s quite possible she got caught in a fire that spread too fast for her to get out.

Or it could be just like the cops say. There’s no such thing as too much evidence or too much investigation. The truth depends on it.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM

So much for conservatives being pro life. You all and your worthless party are only for debt and death.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

When did the “Conservative Party” get established, was it earlier today while I let the dogs out?

Bishop on August 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

No. You get the next 3 years of listening to “Pardon Bradley Manning” now. Then you get to watch him get the Presidential pardon.

Pale Rider on August 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

I can see the defense now. Manning was forced to serve in an era of DADT. Confused about his gender identity and trapped in an intolerant Army. Denied even the chance to blossom in the aftermath of the DADT repeal. In short, he will walk by playing the gay card.

Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Hasan has admitted guilt and is no longer a citizen. Why is he still alive?

nobar on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Hasan can’t just informally declare himself no longer a U.S. citizen. He would have to go abroad and renounce his citizenship formally at a U.S. embassy or consulate to stop being a U.S. citizen.

J.S.K. on August 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Back on topic — little Miss Bradley just got sentenced to 35 years of heaven. He was hoping for a life sentence so this is punishment. BTW, I don’t get why anybody thinks he’s going to have it any harder than anybody else. They are all criminals and they don’t have patriotic impulses.

He’s one of them. The only question is who he will belong to.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

$112,000 in life insurance money.

Johnnyreb on August 21, 2013 at 11:23 AM

One, I don’t see how this has any effect on her actions, and two, the insurance company is not going to pay out when someone dies in the commission of felonies.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

No she’s not nuts and the attorney she hired (whoever it is) obviously knows his stuff. If the kid was his daughter, then the question becomes was it reasonable for police to kill him. If he was the father, then his right to custodfy of the minor child is absolute until removed by a court. Of course the police will argue that they had no way of knowing that he could be the father.

Which is bull because the mother hasn’t lived with her husband for awhile. I suspected that he was the father from the beginning. I also think it’s plausible that mom set the fire because she was mad at him because he was going to claim paternity. It’s quite possible she got caught in a fire that spread too fast for her to get out.

Or it could be just like the cops say. There’s no such thing as too much evidence or too much investigation. The truth depends on it.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:34 AM

You forgot your sarc tag.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM

According to former JAG he will have to serve 2/3 of his sentence. I say throw away the key

Bullhead on August 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

One, I don’t see how this has any effect on her actions, and two, the insurance company is not going to pay out when someone dies in the commission of felonies.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

If he is the father, there is no crime. Parental custody rights trump everything else until a legal court action removes those rights.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

You forgot your sarc tag.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM

No, I didn’t but time will tell if I’m crazy or brilliant.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Moderated.

Manning: homoseckshul.
Hasan: paralyzed muzzie.
House them together and feed Manning vi-ag-ruh 3x/day.

garnkikaloid on August 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

25 years too few.

But a firing squad would have taught the lesson more effectively.

profitsbeard on August 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM

If he is the father, there is no crime. Parental custody rights trump everything else until a legal court action removes those rights.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM

No, I didn’t but time will tell if I’m crazy or brilliant.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM

No wait: you’re crazy.

Blake on August 21, 2013 at 11:50 AM

You think the jury of senior US Officers are idiots and incapable of understanding the many elements at lay here?

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM

“Understanding elements at [p]lay” is not the issue. A jury can only convict on the evidence given at trial.

Suppose a man is on trial for murder, and the murder weapon is thrown out because the police found it during an illegal search. But the jury finds him guilty based on the murder weapon, because they “understand the many elements at play”. In your world, that works, right?

Well in The Real World ™, a defense lawyer is going to appeal that conviction, and win. Cause you can’t consider evidence not admitted at trial.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I don’t see how this relates to my comment or to that which I was responding…the theory/fantasy that the judge was given “his marching orders and under no circumstances will he let the words Jihad, Muslim, Terrorist, etc. be uttered in the courtroom and put on record.”

He has been charged with 13 counts of murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.
No, he has not been charged with ‘Jihad’.
And other shooters/killers don’t get charged with ‘Enraged at the Boss’, etc.

(And thanks for the typo fix.)

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

He (Hasan) will either be in prison a lot longer than Bradley Manning, or leaving it a lot earlier … feet first.

Ed Morrisey

.
May I request the second option, please?

kingsjester on August 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM

.
I see that as a tough call ….. Hasan wants to be a martyr. Islamists wouldtry to “milk” it, for all it’s worth. Would it empower them, or not?
I’m not insisting that his execution is wrong, but only that it may be, in the end.
I wish I could be more certain … but’s that’s it.

However … I believe Manning may be “leaving feet first”, if he’s put in with the rest of the prison population. My opinion.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

In the Hasan court-martial, I was disappointed that the Judge denied the prosecution’s request to introduce significant materials and communications that linked Hasan to al-Alwaki and islamfascist jihad. The decision seems an effort to continue the deranged efforts to define Hasan’s terror attack as ‘workplace violence’.

On the other hand, her ruling that Hasan couldn’t just take the stand in his own defense and monologue is what likely caused Hasan to rest his case without calling a single witness in his own defense. It prevented Hasan from turning the court martial into a circus.

I’m hoping that the members of the court will see what Hasan did and take their own step to undo the atrocious decision by the Admin / DoD to define Hasan’s crime as ‘workplace violence’ – and specifically call the multiple murders an injuries he caused an act of terror and betrayal.

Athos on August 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Meh! I’d still have opted for the “Man Without A Country” sentence. As for Hassan, I’d probably get moderated for what I think should happen to him.

yesiamapirate on August 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Manning–nor Hassan–does not have the character that Philip Nolan did. The punishment would not have its redemptive value.

Kevin K. on August 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Bradley Manning is a principled whistleblower and truth-teller who has been vilified and tortured.

The records allegedly downloaded by Manning revealed clear instances of war crimes committed by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, widespread torture committed by the Iraqi authorities with the full knowledge of the U.S. military, previously unknown estimates of the number of Iraqi civilians killed at U.S. military checkpoints, and the massive Iraqi civilian death toll caused by the American invasion.

For bringing to light this critical but long-suppressed information, Pfc. Manning has been treated not as a whistleblower, but as a criminal and a spy.

In 2010, Private Manning did his duty to the rest of humanity and supplied proof from within the murder machine. This is his triumph; and his show trial merely expresses corrupt power’s abiding fear of people learning the truth. It also illuminates the parasitic industry around truth-tellers.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 21, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I remain conflicted on Manning, but feel some sort of prison sentence was warranted here.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:06 AM

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Uhhhhhh ……………………………… never mind.

listens2glenn on August 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Back on topic — little Miss Bradley just got sentenced to 35 years of heaven. He was hoping for a life sentence so this is punishment. BTW, I don’t get why anybody thinks he’s going to have it any harder than anybody else. They are all criminals and they don’t have patriotic impulses.

He’s one of them. The only question is who he will belong to.

platypus on August 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I think it will be similar to the way paedophiles are treated in prisons: with complete hatred and abuse–by the other prisoners. The military criminals have done many things, but I would be surprised if there weren’t a lot who hate traitors (even if not legally found as such) and would give the Bradley similar treatment.

Kevin K. on August 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

No. You get the next 3 years of listening to “Pardon Bradley Manning” now. Then you get to watch him get the Presidential pardon.

Pale Rider on August 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

exactly …

conservative tarheel on August 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

He betrayed his oath of enlistment. Copies of the documents he disclosed were, found in the compound where OBL was killed. The gay traitor is not a hero here.

So an oath to a government trumps basic decency? Does it also trump basic moral laws? If you saw war crimes and atrocities being committed would you let an oath to a government keep you from reporting it?

Wow conservatives are pro-debt. Why don’t you do a little research about that one.
Happy Nomad on August 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM

The Republican Party is the War Party. There is nothing that creates debt like war. There is nothing that creates death like war. Therefore, the Republican Party is the party of debt and death.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I was unaware that there were “parole” considerations within the UCMJ – there is no parole in Federal prison.

Another Drew on August 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Folks out in Fort Leavenworth looking forward to his arrival.

Really really really looking forward to his arrival.

He may get out of prison when he is 53, but he will look and feel 80, if not older.

Doesn’t look like the type to get good mileage…in the yard.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

..plus they’ll be able to drive an Escalade through his rectum without any perceivable discomfort.

The War Planner on August 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Manning and Hasan should have been windchimes.

Dexter_Alarius on August 21, 2013 at 12:33 PM

So an oath to a government trumps basic decency? Does it also trump basic moral laws? If you saw war crimes and atrocities being committed would you let an oath to a government keep you from reporting it?

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Actually, since the 1970′s…NOT reporting a war crime or an atrocity is a major offense under the UCMJ…several actually.

The oath of enlistment affirms the enlistee’s willingness and full agreement to comport himself/herself under the UCMJ.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Actually, since the 1970′s…NOT reporting a war crime or an atrocity is a major offense under the UCMJ…several actually.
The oath of enlistment affirms the enlistee’s willingness and full agreement to comport himself/herself under the UCMJ.
coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 12:37 PM

What if reporting a war crime to a superior did no good? What if the military systematically withheld war crimes to the public? What then should someone done? One piece of information that BM released were war logs that showed that there were significantly more civilian casualties that were reported. If the military is so d@amned good and honest why did they choose to under report the figures? Also, BM leaked a video showing an Apache helicopter firing in a group of people including journalist. If war and war machines are so cool why is everyone so offended that he released this video? Shouldn’t US citizens be shown up close and personal what war is like? Shouldn’t they be told that soldiers are not heroes but men and women who are trained to kill people and to destroy property?

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Well, posting 700,000 documents unrelated to “war crimes” on the internet is not the recommended method.

What if? What if? What if?

How about this…utilize the chain of command and the JAG as provided, then use appropriate interlocutors…say, a congressional representative, perhaps, the post chaplain, commander of another unit, local sergeant major, first sergeant from another unit…and get it all in writing, documented all the way.

Endangering a hell of a lot of folks, worldwide, because one has a snit…bull.

C’mon, Manning’s motivation was in NO way built around serving the public good.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Shouldn’t US citizens be shown up close and personal what war is like? Shouldn’t they be told that soldiers are not heroes but men and women who are trained to kill people and to destroy property?

As for this…what a load of crap.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I can only imagine the number of American soldiers that were shot for traitorous behavior far less serious than this.

turfmann on August 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

You mean officially condoned shootings or the jolly hazing penalties from clothes tied in knots on up to fragging which are done informally.

I mean the services don’t execute many of their own.

This guys hard labor may not be too much fun.

IlikedAUH2O on August 21, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Also, BM leaked a video showing an Apache helicopter firing in a group of people including journalist….

…Shouldn’t they be told that soldiers are not heroes but men and women who are trained to kill people and to destroy property?

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Group of people? Armed jihadists – funny how ideologues like you so often exclude that fact, or the fact that these armed jihadists and other armed jihadists were the one’s responsible for actively targeting and killing the vast majority of civilians in that conflict. No, the blame and hate is directed at the US military who fired on those armed jihadists, not on the jihadists, or the journalists in their party – one of whom was carrying equipment that was similar in shape to an RPG launcher.

And frankly, those heroes serving in our armed forces whom you hold in such utter disrespect and contempt, are risking their lives to protect your freedom to make a complete and total ass of yourself pontificating your opinions of hatred towards those who aren’t as naive and clueless as you are. They are also the one’s who have and will continue to risk their own lives in a manner to limit / prevent collateral damage in a manner that is unprecedented in warfare.

But feel proud, you’ve earned your ‘Blame America First’ cred and also today’s first ‘rabble, rabble, rabble’.

…..GAZE…..

Athos on August 21, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The government should use a couple of those bullets they have stockpiled, one for this traitor and the other for the muslim at Ft Hood…

crosshugger on August 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Folks out in Fort Leavenworth looking forward to his arrival.

Really really really looking forward to his arrival.

He may get out of prison when he is 53, but he will look and feel 80, if not older.

Doesn’t look like the type to get good mileage…in the yard.

coldwarrior on August 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

..plus they’ll be able to drive an Escalade through his rectum without any perceivable discomfort.

The War Planner on August 21, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Unfortunately for us, he may like it, as long as they address him as ‘Michelle’.

slickwillie2001 on August 21, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Group of people? Armed jihadists – funny how ideologues like you so often exclude that fact, or the fact that these armed jihadists and other armed jihadists were the one’s responsible for actively targeting and killing the vast majority of civilians in that conflict. No, the blame and hate is directed at the US military who fired on those armed jihadists, not on the jihadists, or the journalists in their party – one of whom was carrying equipment that was similar in shape to an RPG launcher.

What’s wrong with being armed? Is it just to kill Muslims because they possess a firearm? When Democrats demand more gun control legislation conservatives scream bloody murder. When gun control is enforced by having the Federal military fire 30 mm rounds towards Muslims, well that’s cool.

And how do you know if these armed men are responsible for killing civilians? Should the US military be judge, jury, and executioner? What is clear is that these men were not committing an act of aggression towards anyone. The attack was initiated by the Federal military.

And frankly, those heroes serving in our armed forces whom you hold in such utter disrespect and contempt, are risking their lives to protect your freedom to make a complete and total ass of yourself pontificating your opinions of hatred towards those who aren’t as naive and clueless as you are. They are also the one’s who have and will continue to risk their own lives in a manner to limit / prevent collateral damage in a manner that is unprecedented in warfare.

You really need to lay off the Kool Aid. Soldiers in the Federal military are not defending my freedom. The people of the M.E. are not any threat to any of my freedoms. The biggest threat to my personal freedoms are the Federal, state, and local governments. Every tax they impose and every law they pass diminishes my personal freedom. There aren’t any Muslims who have threatened to imprison me for not following their rules. However,there are thousands of legislators and law enforcement officials who threaten to fine and imprison me if I don’t comply with their laws.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

if manning isn’t segregated he will be a smear of his former self soon.

dmacleo on August 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Still, a .22 to the back of the left year is far cheaper to the taxpayer.

thejackal on August 21, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Bone’s too thick there for a positive one shot kill with a .22. Back of the head, top of the spine just below the skull tilted slightly upward……so I’ve heard.

Oldnuke on August 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I’m not some one who mindlessly argues the old ways are best, but there some things our ancestors had more experience with than us like war and treason. It was based on their experience that traitors like Manning were executed. We are not creating a better society by our leniency towards him.

thuja on August 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Still, a .22 to the back of the left year is far cheaper to the taxpayer.

thejackal on August 21, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Bone’s too thick there for a positive one shot kill with a .22. Back of the head, top of the spine just below the skull tilted slightly upward……so I’ve heard.

Oldnuke on August 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Again, let’s consider the old ways. They used firing squads for a reason. And it’s only a few more bullets.

thuja on August 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM

But the judge acquitted him of the most serious charge, aiding the enemy, an offense that could have meant life in prison without parole.

Of course, he did aid the enemy, but given that the judge said he didn’t, I imagine 35 years was about as harsh as the sentence could be for providing – apparently – neutral or unhelpful information to the enemy. Now, Manning supporters, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say Manning is just a poor, put-upon whistle-blower if the information he illegally provided to the enemy hurt or helped no one.

Knott Buyinit on August 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 11:05 AM

He put my unit in danger of being killed by the enemies of the US while we were deployed and in harms way.

That’s not enough?

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Antifederalist, after reading some of your other comments I’ll just ask you to ignore mine. Not sure what to say to someone as far gone as you.

smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 2:55 PM

He put my unit in danger of being killed by the enemies of the US while we were deployed and in harms way.
That’s not enough?
smoothsailing on August 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Your unit was put in danger when you were sent to Iraq (I assume). Since the Iraq War was a war of choice based on false premises, it was George W Bush, Dick Chaney, and the rest of the neocon clan that put your unit in danger. Question, when will they be put in jail?

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

He has been charged with 13 counts of murder and 32 counts of attempted murder.
No, he has not been charged with ‘Jihad’.
And other shooters/killers don’t get charged with ‘Enraged at the Boss’, etc.

verbaluce on August 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Hey, thanks for correcting a claim I never made; that sure moved the discussion along.

You do know that in trials they talk about things like “motive”, right? Or do you believe that a person who kills his boss and goes on trial, has any mention of his anger at that person stricken from the record?

There aren’t any Muslims who have threatened to imprison me for not following their rules.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM

No, they’ll just bomb the cafe where you’re eating, or fly an airplane directly into your place of business. Much more benign.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

No, they’ll just bomb the cafe where you’re eating, or fly an airplane directly into your place of business. Much more benign.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I’ve met quite a few Muslims in my lifetime. Funny, none of them had any interest in bombing cafes or flying airplanes into buildings.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I’ve met quite a few Muslims in my lifetime. Funny, none of them had any interest in bombing cafes or flying airplanes into buildings.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM

You were the one who used the term “Muslims” to describe armed jihadists in a war zone.

If it is not an appropriate descriptor for the people in question, then do not undermine your own point by introducing it into the discussion.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

You were the one who used the term “Muslims” to describe armed jihadists in a war zone.

If it is not an appropriate descriptor for the people in question, then do not undermine your own point by introducing it into the discussion.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Well, the bombs and bullets from Federal government’s military doesn’t discriminate between ordinary Muslims and jihadists. Trade sanctions imposed on Muslim countries like Iraq and Iran causes human suffering to both ordinary Muslims and jihadists alike.

antifederalist on August 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Well, the bombs and bullets from Federal government’s military doesn’t discriminate between ordinary Muslims and jihadists.

Yes, that’s certainly true. After all, bombs and bullets fire themselves, and in no way are under the purview of soldiers or airmen. And those soldiers, in turn, just razed entire countries indiscriminately, with zero thought to collateral damage, like Sherman’s March writ large. /s

Trade sanctions imposed on Muslim countries like Iraq and Iran causes human suffering to both ordinary Muslims and jihadists alike.

Hey look who’s suddenly moving the goalposts away from the helicopter video that he brought up in the first place.

The Schaef on August 22, 2013 at 9:16 AM