Walker: Republicans in Washington need a plan

posted at 10:01 am on August 20, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Governor Scott Walker offered Republican leaders in Washington some free advice this morning on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. It’s not enough to talk tough and to obstruct — Republicans have to offer a real alternative to the administration’s agenda and a clear path to achieving it. But first, Walker invited the GOP to come to the states and learn a lesson about communications, too:

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Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) on Monday said Republicans in Washington need to lay out specific alternatives to the Democratic agenda rather than just seeking to block it at every turn.

“As governors, as state leaders, we’re more optimistic than our friends in Washington,” Walker said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “We’re not just against something. We’re laying out a plan, laying out a vision. You don’t just sit back and nick the other guy — you have to lay out a plan.” …

Walker also criticized Washington Republicans for framing arguments in terms that he says are a turnoff to voters. The governor said lawmakers should look to the states where the GOP has the majority of governorships and state legislatures to learn how to speak to voters.

“We talk in terms that are more relevant,” he said. “Sequester, for most people, it just goes right over their head. Debt ceilings, fiscal cliffs — we talk about making our kids’ schools better; we talk about balancing our budgets so we can live within our means; we talk about helping our neighbor get a job again.”

As The Hill points out, Walker’s criticism echoes the more abrasive comment last week from Newt Gingrich that Republicans on Capitol Hill have “zero” alternatives to ObamaCare.  Some in the GOP balked at that comment, pointing to a number of proposals Republicans on Capitol Hill have floated over the last four years to the ACA.  Walker gets closer to the mark in noting that while Capitol Hill Republicans know this, they haven’t done a very good job in communicating either the specifics of the plans, or the principles of the party.

Walker also criticized the call for a budget showdown, saying that voters want responsible government that works:

Walker on Monday also criticized Republicans who are threatening a government shutdown in an attempt to defund the president’s healthcare law.

“I have real problems obviously with ObamaCare,” he said.

“But I think most Americans, even if they don’t like the size or growth of government, they still want something to work, something very fundamentally to work, and that’s a difference again between Washington and the state level,” he continued.

Walker’s advice might be worth a listen.  Glenn Reynolds links an RCP article on Republican down-ballot successes at the state and local levels, and says Republicans do connect with voters — but have a problem doing so at the national level.  That’s due in part to the media coverage, as Glenn suggests, but perhaps also because the GOP isn’t taking lessons from its state and local successes.


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I am keeping my eyes on him…

OmahaConservative on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

they do have a plan. They give a faux veneer of “opposition”, hold out for a week until the MSM pressures them enough to fracture them, then they cave–usually with some sort of a cryfest and infighting.

plans

ted c on August 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Walker: Republicans in Washington need a plan

And a spine…..

rukiddingme on August 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM

This man knows what he’s talking about.

thebrokenrattle on August 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Republicans in Washington need a plan some balls

Corrected for accuracy

bigmacdaddy on August 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM

The only plan the Pubs have is seeking to join their ‘Democrat friends across the aisle’ while making it appear they’re not allies, didn’t cave, and really-really-super-really-honest-to-god-really tried.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM

for the GOP in 2016 – look to our GOVERNORS !!! – not the idiots in the House or Senate.

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM

As The Hill points out, Walker’s criticism echoes the more abrasive comment last week from Newt Gingrich that Republicans on Capitol Hill have “zero” alternatives to ObamaCare. Some in the GOP balked at that comment, pointing to a number of proposals Republicans on Capitol Hill have floated over the last four years to the ACA. Walker gets closer to the mark in noting that while Capitol Hill Republicans know this, they haven’t done a very good job in communicating either the specifics of the plans, or the principles of the party.

Well the most glaring problem as I see it is we have Republicans in leadership positions who either don’t know how to articulate conservative principles and ideas or don’t want to. Boehner, McConnell, and Cantor are worthless in this capacity. Boehner in particular seems far more content to just cave repeatedly to Obama so he can achieve some sort of grand bargain that gets us absolutely nothing. And don’t get me started with people like McCain, Grahamnesty, and Rubio over in the Senate.

Doughboy on August 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I am keeping my eyes on him…

OmahaConservative on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

YES – long way to go – but YES

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I am keeping my eyes on him…
OmahaConservative on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Walker is a big supporter of illegal alien amnesty. He’s also a huge fan of Jeb Bush.

Look, Walker is great as governor of WI, but I don’t want him on a national ticket.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

tax reform, tort reform, a re-evaluation of foreign aid, enough military spending to destroy enemies, a rejection of the Federalization of education policy, student loan reform. This isn’t that complicated.

rob verdi on August 20, 2013 at 10:11 AM

fossil fuel expansion, repeal Obamacare, a re-evaluation of presidential power,….

rob verdi on August 20, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Republicans in Washington need a plan some balls

Corrected for accuracy

bigmacdaddy on August 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM

They’ve got those. Problem is the left is squeezing them.

rukiddingme on August 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Pro-illegal alien amnesty politician Scott Walker thinks Republicans should be punished if they express opposition to illegal alien amnesty in blunt terms:

http://www.alipac.us/content/wisconsin-official-fired-comparing-immigrants-satan-2164/

He’s just like Reince Priebus. Both are apparently willing to cave to the left-wing demand that any opposition to amnesty be seen as “repugnant” and racist.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

you have to lay out a plan

And what plan would that be? Telling the piglets of America they really can have their cake and eat it too, by eliminating any mandates to buy insurance, but telling them they can still wait until they’re sick to buy it?

Just another conservative gone native, now telling the piglets they can have free crap.

MNHawk on August 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Yeah, go ahead… try to take the free stuff away…..
.
Good Luck with that.

FlaMurph on August 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Walker is another open borders, cheap labor corporatist, like Ryan, Preibus, and apparently every other GOP politician from WI.

Jon0815 on August 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Walker is another open borders, cheap labor corporatist, like Ryan, Preibus, and apparently every other GOP politician from WI.
Jon0815 on August 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Well said.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

While his name is being thrown around for 2016 my litmus is going to be which candidates seek to unite the GOP and which ones like the fat loudmouth from New Jersey insults and attacks those who don’t agree with the left-of-center ideas of “moderate” Republicans.

I’m sick of these inter-party food fights. If a candidate supports or opposes certain issues (amnesty for example) let them do it in a way that doesn’t alienate parts of the party. Rubio blew it when he decided to go full Schumer complete with lies about what the legislation he is peddling does to Americans.

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

the phrase “government that works” is a huge red flag for me

Reeks of Romney-style technocratic big government.

commodore on August 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

A plan? How about free market capitalism and returning the power to the people?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Does anyone find it a little astonishing that some people appear to have decided (in 2013) who they will vote for in 2016?

The process is underway – I like the process – I like the debates going on inside HotAir.

Let the process happen.

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM

We’ve got to have a plan! Liberals say they’re going to provide healthcare to every American, end poverty and create a prosperous middle class and we’ve got to offer our own big-government-centrally-planned alternative!

/idiocy

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:25 AM

the phrase “government that works” is a huge red flag for me

Reeks of Romney-style technocratic big government.

commodore on August 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Yeah – I take these statements as surrender to the notion that the federal government is the royal court.

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

A plan? How about free market capitalism and returning the power to the people?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Amen. But that requires the GOP in Washington to actually believe in those things. From McCain on down, they mostly don’t.

beatcanvas on August 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

the phrase “government that works” is a huge red flag for me

Reeks of Romney-style technocratic big government.

commodore on August 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Ding, ding, ding!!

We have a winner!!

Bitter Clinger on August 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Walker is another open borders, cheap labor corporatist, like Ryan, Preibus, and apparently every other GOP politician from WI.
Jon0815 on August 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Well said.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Judge the man by his actions, not his words. Isn’t that one of the Conservative credo’s.

Look at Walkers’ record (ie his actions) and you’ll find a lot to like.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Great job, Scott. You picked up the “Republicans only obstruct / part of no” Democrat talking point perfectly. Great f*cking job.

How many more GOP morons are going to head over to liberal ‘news’ outlets and parrot a few liberal talking points? Does wonders for the party, doesn’t it?

Midas on August 20, 2013 at 10:34 AM

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

As I said, I am keeping my eyes on him…

OmahaConservative on August 20, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Federalism. That’s the answer. Let the states manage most things.

Charlemagne on August 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Well, how obvious can Walker be?

Obviously, he is thinking of throwing his hat in the ring 2016. Posturing that a governor has unique qualifications that puts him (them)
high up on the repub presidential totem pole, over senators, etc.

Has some validity, however, there are other issues that should be looked at.

Personally, I want to know a candidate’s core principles (if they have any). Also, I would like them (him/her) to have business experience, preferably small business experience. Romney’s big business experience did nothing for me. I would like to know what jobs they have worked at in their life. Do they have a middle class background? It is the middle class who are being raked over the coals with Obama’s thug agenda. Have they defended the constitution, etc. to the chagrin of the rinos? Have they stood up for principle?

That said, Walker may be a great name to add to the list.

Amjean on August 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I am content with obstructing Obama, but thanks nonetheless Scott.

hillsoftx on August 20, 2013 at 10:36 AM

He is 100 percent correct.

dpduq on August 20, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Judge the man by his actions, not his words. Isn’t that one of the Conservative credo’s.

Look at Walkers’ record (ie his actions) and you’ll find a lot to like.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Walker has done a lot of good things in WI but this nonsense about “needing to have a plan” has got to end. The GOP needs to distinguish itself from the progressives and instead of talking about the pressing need to have a “plan” they should talk about the pressing need to make the federal government not central to the lives of most Americans and to the economy. Republicans do talk about making DC less central to everything but they more often talk about “alternatives” to what the Democrats are proposing. They let the Democrats control the debate and define the terms and they lose most of the time. The GOP needs to change the conversation. Every time Democrats talk about their plans and how they’re going to redistribute money and power and give this or that to some sub-group of Americans the Republicans should hammer home that they’ve been doing this – and we’ve been doing this as a nation – for 60 years and everything the Democrats claim will get better has gotten worse. They should point out that Democrats have been promising the same thing for 60 years and it’s been a gigantic failure and more government solutions isn’t going to fix anything. They need to push the “plan” that Washington DC shouldn’t have a plan because they suck at it.

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I’m sorry, I fell asleep watching him ……

faraway on August 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Remind me again, Governor, how did MSNBC treat your very modest package of reforms, Ed Schultz, specifically.

narciso on August 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM

We need another Governor in the White House. Scott Walker may be the one?

Delsa on August 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM

A central plan? Or a 5 year plan? How about protect the borders and leave Americans alone to plan their own lives.

Flange on August 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM

The only plan Republicans need is one that STOPS Democrats and Obama from destroying our country any further.
We need to defund Obamacare and then kill it! We do not need to replace it!

Delsa on August 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Romney’s big business experience did nothing for me. I would like to know what jobs they have worked at in their life. Do they have a middle class background? It is the middle class who are being raked over the coals with Obama’s thug agenda

Yes. Romney couldn’t connect with the average voter and his background hurt him in this regard.

Obama is every bit the plutocrat Romney is, but the Democrats don’t need to connect with the middle class – they buy off the poor and the rich and write off the average Joes and Janes.

If the Republicans wanted to win, which seems more dubious every election, they’d run on a platform specifically denoting how they are going to roll back government specifically to benefit the middle class. I’d also focus heavily on how much the Democrats exist to take money from the middle class to give to their elite base…

There is no reason that conservatives can’t also play the “class warfare card” to highlight how leftist politics is a scam…

18-1 on August 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Liberals: We’ve got to make healthcare more affordable – so we propose taking over 1/6th of the economy with such an unwieldy law it will eventually lead to single payer.

GOP: Hey! We want to make healthcare more affordable too! So we’re going to only take over 1/7th of the economy and twiddle current federal laws which are causing most of the problems and make the government solution more efficient!

Conservatives: You idiots don’t know how to make healthcare more affordable. Leave it to the market which has managed to bring all sorts of high quality products and services to the most people possible. Instead of letting a handful of stupid and corrupt bureaucrats “work” on this problem turn it over to hundreds of thousands if not millions of entrepreneurs and the actual consumers to collaborate and find the best solution. Would you buy a smart phone designed by a 2000+ page law and implemented by Washington bureaucrats?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

When I hear someone at work say “we need a plan”, that usually means they don’t have a plan.

faraway on August 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM

There is a HUGE disconnect between the DC Republicans and the governors and local Republicans who are winning and governing effectively. I can’t understand it.

Bill Clinton rose to prominence as a state governor who redefined the Democratic Party away from the tax-and-spend frame that had haunted it since Jimmy Carter, toward smaller and smarter government and kitchen-table issues like education and welfare reform. He formed the Democratic Leadership Council to push more moderate and less liberal policy approaches. The Democrats smartly embraced Clinton and he won two elections. Many southern states continue to elect Democratic governors that follow his formula.

Republicans would be wise to take Walker’s advice and also take a look at what Clinton did in the late 1980s and early 90s. Of course, the hardcore conservative base won’t like some of it, just as the far Left never embraced Clinton.

rockmom on August 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM

We need another Governor in the White House. Scott Walker may be the one?

Delsa on August 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Maybe — others are in the wings — the bench is deep in the GOP

Rick Scott – FL
Susana Martinez – NM
John Kasich – OH
Mike Pence – IN
Pat McCrory – NC
Rick Perry – TX

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Republicans would be wise to take Walker’s advice and also take a look at what Clinton did in the late 1980s and early 90s. Of course, the hardcore conservative base won’t like some of it, just as the far Left never embraced Clinton.

rockmom on August 20, 2013 at 10:46 AM

History can teach us a lot, if we’re willing to reflect – great post.

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Personally, I want to know a candidate’s core principles (if they have any). Also, I would like them (him/her) to have business experience, preferably small business experience. Romney’s big business experience did nothing for me. I would like to know what jobs they have worked at in their life. Do they have a middle class background? It is the middle class who are being raked over the coals with Obama’s thug agenda. Have they defended the constitution, etc. to the chagrin of the rinos? Have they stood up for principle?

That said, Walker may be a great name to add to the list.

Amjean on August 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Walker is about as middle class as they come, which is a big reason for his success in Wisconsin. He is believable when he talks about how his agenda will help create jobs, lower taxes, and raise wages for middle class people. He doesn’t even have a college degree. That will be the biggest knock against him if he runs for President. I think our last President without a degree was Truman. Before that, you have to go all the way back to Grover Cleveland.

rockmom on August 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Judge the man by his actions, not his words. Isn’t that one of the Conservative credo’s.

Look at Walkers’ record (ie his actions) and you’ll find a lot to like.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Excuse me, but I’ll judge him by not only his actions, but his words, and the company that he keeps. He is a straight-down-the-line ALEC proponent. And though that brings a lot of good, especially as relates to state government fostering a better business environment, it also brings a heavily funded sponsorship of amnesty. If you’re extensively invested in multi-nationals, that’s great; if you’re a working Joe, that’s not so great.

Because that job you’re competing for in that better ALEC environment is going to pay less, a lot less, and it’s going be far more adept at making Obamacare work for it than you are.

Thus far, the ALEC stance on Obamacare has been one of resistance not pushback. And that is exactly what Walker has done. He has been non-compliant within the scope of the law, but I haven’t seen him make any moves toward actually dismantling it.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

I’m detecting a radical shift to the center here at Town Hall. I listened to a Ted Cruz speech this morning in Houston and his plan to defund Obamacare is not radical at all. It puts all of the responsibility for how the money gets spent on democrats. The house specifically budgets for what it considers essentials and then Obama and Reid can move that allocation to their pet piece of legislation. That they just exempted themselves from. And big business. While unions are clamoring for same.

Good politics if you ask me. But not good enough for Morrissey, Benson et al. You guys are losing me.

DanMan on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

As with most RINOs, Walker is for amnesty. He will never get this conservative’s vote. And the gop just pushes conservatives away by even entertaining RINO possibilities like this.

voiceofreason on August 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Good politics if you ask me. But not good enough for Morrissey, Benson et al. You guys are losing me.

DanMan on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

You think HotAir is squishy on ObamaCare? Do you read every day?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Bill Clinton rose to prominence as a state governor who redefined the Democratic Party away from the tax-and-spend frame that had haunted it since Jimmy Carter

After being elected Clinton implemented a massive tax hike and tried to take over the health care industry.

His moderation was caused by the drubbing his party took at the polls in 1994.

He consistently tacked as far left as he could without damaging his popularity from that point on.

I think a better lesson is 2002-2008.

The Democrats ran a largely “me-too” campaign in 2002 and lost.

In 2004 they ran a chaotic campaign with some elements of “me-too” and some elements of leftwing ideology…and lost.

Starting right after 2004 they shifted to the hard left and spent all of their time demonizing their opponents.

This led to them taking congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008 and general success in every election since except for 2010.

Conversely the Republicans have run “me-too” campaigns in every recent election except for 2010…which they won.

History says if the Republicans want to win they have to differentiate themselves from the party in power and stop shying away from confronting the Democrats.

But they don’t actually want to win…at least the current leadership, so they likely will not.

18-1 on August 20, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Why should I care about the opinions of amnesty shills? The FIRST obligation of government is the physical security of this nation. So, when these idiots don’t even have THAT much on the ball… who cares what they think about anything else?

Murf76 on August 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM

What? No Bobby Jindal?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM

As with most RINOs, Walker is for amnesty. He will never get this conservative’s vote. And the gop just pushes conservatives away by even entertaining RINO possibilities like this.

voiceofreason on August 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM

There are small issues one can quibble with a politician over and still ultimately support them. But amnesty is a biggie. Walker is just Rubio-lite.

Bitter Clinger on August 20, 2013 at 11:15 AM

What? No Bobby Jindal?

Happy Nomad on August 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM

My bad – add him to that list – no doubt about it.

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 11:18 AM

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 10:47 AM
What? No Bobby Jindal?
Happy Nomad on August 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Jindal is my pick (and apparently the pick of the Duck Dynasty boys as well)!

“What can Brown do for you?” No, not pickup truck Scott.

can_con on August 20, 2013 at 11:20 AM

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)(3) American organization composed of legislators, businesses and foundations which produces model policies for state legislatures and promotes free markets, limited government, and federalism at the state level

Furthormore,

ALEC has produced model policy on issues such as reducing corporate regulation and taxation, tightening voter identification rules, digital due process[7] streamlining or minimizing environmental protections, over-criminalization[8][9] and promoting gun rights

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

0_o

Damn Liberal Organization. Burn them!

I’d didn’t read anything about amnesty there. Maybe they are, maybe their not but there has been no hint of “Amensity Loving” by Scott Walker during his political career in Wisconsin.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Good politics if you ask me. But not good enough for Morrissey, Benson et al. You guys are losing me.

DanMan on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

You think HotAir is squishy on ObamaCare? Do you read every day?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I do. And I do. The most recent squishy article to that effect was yesterday – did you read it?

Midas on August 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

ted c on August 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

+100

Ding, Ding, Ding.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

socalcon on August 20, 2013 at 12:20 PM

You think HotAir is squishy on ObamaCare? Do you read every day?

gwelf on August 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Yes I do. Ed and Guy are taking the Michael Medved approach to dealing with Obamacare. They want to allow it to fail under its own weight. Problem is that is also exactly what Harry Reid and Obama want as well.

Ted Cruz wants to fight against it and if he fails at least he’ll go down swinging. He knows what dems know, that once the subsidies are given they cannot be taken away.

Funding government at the current level of taxation will not allow Obamacare AND everything else to be paid for. Dems will have to 1) plea for higher taxes, or 2) redirect massive amounts of currently funded programs to fund Obamacare. They have not had to face the consequences of their tar baby and are trying desperately to delay them by stalling on missed deadlines and providing waivers. They have not had to publicly declare the true costs and limitations of Obamacare and they been unable to even finish writing the law so that people can try to deal with it if they wanted to.

This is the democrat’s law. Make them implement it with the available resources they are legally allowed to work with. Do you have a better plan than that? Ted Cruz has asked every GOP senator to come up with an alternative and none have.

I have a question for Ed Morrissey. Ed, can you name a seasoned senator you would want to see run for president? I can’t. It took Marco Rubio two years to flame out. Your comparison of Cruz’s experience is being measured against Obama’s successful socialist endeavors. Obama is not failing. Imagine a constitutionalist having as much success as our current Marxist.

DanMan on August 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Term Limits:

12 yrs Senate/House

No crossovers- after 12, back to your state you go.

socalcon on August 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Ed and Guy are taking the Michael Medved approach to dealing with Obamacare. They want to allow it to fail under its own weight.

This approach allows the Left to ‘polish the turd’ and say: “It was a great idea, had bipartisan support, we simply underfunded it” (see EPA, Post Office, DoEd, and entitlement program and many more examples)

socalcon on August 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM

No crossovers- after 12, back to your state you go.

socalcon on August 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

With NO pension or insider trading allowed.

Flange on August 20, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Governor Scott Walker offered Republican leaders in Washington some free advice this morning on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

RINOPalooza.

The gop establishment must be in heaven at the thought that Christie might pick Walker for Veep (because that’s what he’s trying out for).

PappyD61 on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

they do have a plan. They give a faux veneer of “opposition”, hold out for a week until the MSM pressures them enough to fracture them, then they cave–usually with some sort of a cryfest and infighting.

plans

ted c on August 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

a/k/a, Capitulation, so the Dems can grow the power and influence of the Federal government (Ruling class) that will allow the pathetic gop leadership to go out and whine to their limited government Conservative base that “we only control one part of the….”.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Walker is a big supporter of illegal alien amnesty. He’s also a huge fan of Jeb Bush.

Look, Walker is great as governor of WI, but I don’t want him on a national ticket.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

100% agree.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2013 at 1:11 PM

“bullsh**” Flag?

This was the question and his answer.

Walker was then asked about the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the country illegally. The editorial board asked if he could “envision a world where with the right penalties and waiting periods and meet the requirements where those people could get citizenship?”

“Sure,” Walker responded. “I mean I think it makes sense.”

Now, you have to understand that was a question from the Milwaukee Journel Sentinal editorial board. A lefty, democratic water carrying publication.

Of course they convienently left out the question on whether he favored securing the boarder first. Why? Because they knew what the answer would be. Of course he would.

Now, what are the “right penalties & waiting periods”? Good question right? Because as sure as you and I are arguing here, the Journal Sentinal’s definition and Walker’s definition are worlds apart.

So before I go any further, M240H, I’d like to know what your position on immigration is.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Walker is a big supporter of illegal alien amnesty. He’s also a huge fan of Jeb Bush.

Look, Walker is great as governor of WI, but I don’t want him on a national ticket.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Rule of thumb is whoever Bluegill is against, is someone worth to be for.

eva3071 on August 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

And although ALEC as legislation-proposing organization is clever enough to attract working Joe with gun rights support, they are also clever enough not to publicly enter the immigration fray…

…behind the scenes is a different story.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

The Koch Brothers? Really. You sound the Wisconsin Unionistas. I missed in the article in mentioned ALEC anywhere not that it matters.

6 degrees of guilty by association.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Walker is my candidate of choice for 2016. I refuse to let hard-right folks think that just because of his amnesty views that he’s a bad candidate. Your legitimate choice will be Christie and Walker.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is surely mistaken.

Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

If you agree with bluegill, I’m gonna have to
question your choices.

Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

WisRich

Ah, the seemingly smaller sins of omission…

“Not only do they need to fix things for people already here, or find some way to do it, there’s got to be a larger way to fix the system in the first place,” Walker said. “Because if it wasn’t so cumbersome, if there wasn’t such a long wait, if it wasn’t so difficult to get in, we wouldn’t have the other problems that we have” of immigrants living in the country illegally.

My position on illegal immigration is this- repeal anchor baby rights, stop all assistance, no drivers licenses, immediate deportation for law-breakers, confiscate property of knowing employers … once self-deportation begins we may then begin an empirical quantification for the true need for unskilled immigration based on the needs of the citizenry, not PAC donors, in this country.

I suspect that the first thing to occur will an end to discussions of a need to raise the minimum wage.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

There are many supporters in ALEC; the Kochs are but one. I myself agree with most of what ALEC does and I like the Kochs and many of their libertarian positions.

But for you to deny that big business backers of ALEC are pro-amnesty is disingenuous and frankly, silly. Really, how hard do you think I’d have to search for evidence of amnesty support on the part of every recipient of Sen Durbin’s recent “do you support ALEC” letter?

Sheesh. I don’t know who you’re workin’ for, but I got a clue or two.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM

My position on illegal immigration is this- repeal anchor baby rights, stop all assistance, no drivers licenses, immediate deportation for law-breakers, confiscate property of knowing employers … once self-deportation begins we may then begin an empirical quantification for the true need for unskilled immigration based on the needs of the citizenry, not PAC donors, in this country.

I suspect that the first thing to occur will an end to discussions of a need to raise the minimum wage.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Well, good luck finding a candidate. You’ll be roaming the desert for 40 years.

In the end M240H, All I’m asking is to keep an open mind on Walker. He’s still refining his message. He needs a little polishing, I’ll admit, but there’s a diamond underneath.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I get paid to roam the desert … with a weapon. And being an instrument of foreign policy with which you may not always concur, well, you learn acceptance.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

I get paid to roam the desert … with a weapon. And being an instrument of foreign policy with which you may not always concur, well, you learn acceptance.

M240H on August 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM

And I thank you for your service.

We’re on the same side. Let’s not forget that.

WisRich on August 20, 2013 at 3:14 PM

In the end M240H, All I’m asking is to keep an open mind on Walker. He’s still refining his message. He needs a little polishing, I’ll admit, but there’s a diamond underneath.

WisRich

Walker is an amnesty shill who lied about the issue to get elected. He is no better than the rest of them. When the amnesty-open borders bill he supports gets passed, it won’t matter how good he is on other issues.

xblade on August 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

yes, the DC GOP do need a new plan, better and more effective communications leadership and a SPINE/Conviction to go with these things

the Conservative planks of the GOP platform need to be restored, but there is nobody recognised in DC GOP Leadership currently who has the credibility, or the inclination to push for this successfully

therefore new GOP Leadership is required

and I think we will get it after Nov 2014 (maybe even before, if the Snowden wild card is played before then **__**)

exodus2011 on August 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Walker never ran on amnesty. Get over it.

Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 9:55 PM