Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

President Barack Obama called a meeting of his top national security aides on Tuesday to discuss cutting military aid to Egypt, the White House said after repeatedly denying that the administration had already frozen that assistance in secret…

[Spokesman Josh] Earnest also scolded Egypt’s military-backed interim government for arresting the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, which fueled Morsi’s presidential bid, lumping it in with other “politically motivated detentions” that have drawn fire from Washington.

“That is not in line with the standard that we expect other governments to uphold in terms of respecting human rights. It’s certainly not the standard that the Egyptian people expect of their government in terms of upholding basic human rights,” the spokesman said.

Mohammed Badie’s arrest is “the latest in a series of actions the Egyptian government has taken that doesn’t reflect their commitment to an inclusive political process, to respect for basic human rights like the right to protest peacefully,” Earnest said.

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“El-Sisi is killing our children,” a man screamed, referring to Egypt’s defense minister, Gen. Abdul Fattah el-Sisi. “Muslims, come out of your homes!”

Hundreds of Islamists poured into the street, torching, looting and smashing the village’s two churches and a nearby monastery, lashing out so ferociously that marble altars were left in broken heaps on the floor.

Over the next few days, a wave of similar attacks on the Christian minority washed over the country, as Islamists set upon homes and churches, shops and schools, youth clubs and at least one orphanage, killing at least three people, according to an Egyptian human rights group. As Christians were scapegoated for supporting the military ouster of Mr. Morsi, the authorities stood by and watched: in Nazla, as in other places, the army and the police made no attempt to intervene.

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This time, however, we have no one to root for…

In the battle for the country’s soul, it’s “terrorists” vs. “murderers” in the language of Egypt’s bitterly polarized political players…

[D]espite some Morsi supporters’ willingness to engage in armed combat, the interim government’s insistence that security forces used the bare minimum of violence scarcely rings true. Even before Islamists in Mohandeseen began returning fire, the police pelted their hastily erected barricades with live bullets and appeared to target foreign journalists videoing proceedings from an apartment window.

The police and army are the murderers, not us. They are trying to kill us all. They are the terrorists,” said Hafez, a Muslim Brotherhood supporter who was riddled with birdshot by police during the fierce and bloody daylong exchange in Mohandeseen.

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Saudi Arabia is emerging at the forefront of a forceful effort by Persian Gulf monarchies to back Egypt’s new military leaders, exacerbating a fierce struggle for influence in the chaotic and increasingly leaderless Arab world and putting the Saudis at odds with the United States, a long-standing ally.

On Monday, Saudi Arabia promised to compensate Egypt for any aid that Western countries might withdraw in response to the harsh tactics employed by Egypt’s leaders to quell protests by supporters of the country’s deposed president, in which nearly 1,000 people and more than 100 police officers are reported to have been killed…

“It’s not about expansionism,” said Gamal Soltan, a professor of political science at the American University of Cairo. “The Saudis are doing these things out of fear rather than greed.”

But at a time when many Arabs are growing queasy at the high human cost of the crackdown, “this is an enormous gamble for the king,” said Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East history at Durham University in England. “Saudi Arabia is putting itself in direct confrontation with the Muslim Brotherhood, which has broad regional sympathy across the region.”

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Citing evidence found on YouTube, Turkey’s Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, claimed on Tuesday that Israel was behind the military takeover in Egypt last month.

In remarks broadcast on Turkish television, Mr. Erdogan scolded Western democracies for failing to condemn the military coup that deposed Egypt’s elected, Islamist president, Mohamed Morsi, and blamed Israeli influence. “What do they say in Egypt? ‘Democracy is not the ballot box,’” he said. “Who is behind this? Israel.”

The response in Cairo to Mr. Erdogan’s remarks was predictably testy. As the journalist Menna Alaa reported on Twitter, a spokesman for the interim president installed by the Egyptian army replied that “Western agents shouldn’t be giving lessons in patriotism to Egyptians.”

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“It looks like it’s over for the Brotherhood,” said Sameh Eid, a former member who has maintained contact with the group. “Brotherhood families are grieving over their dead or busy trying to see how they can visit loved ones in detention or others who are injured. The animosity on the streets is exhausting them and allies are abandoning them.”…

In addition to the arrests, a campaign is in full swing to “cleanse” ministries, government departments and state media of Brotherhood supporters, dismantling a network built during Morsi’s year in office. Employees known to have taken part in sit-ins or protests are being brought before disciplinary panels to account for not showing up for work.

The Brotherhood, said former member Abdel-Baset el-Meligi, is paying the price for trying to impose its agenda on Egyptians and resorting to violence when it was met with resistance.

“The group lost direction and there is little hope it will be included in the political process,” he said.

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[American] influence has dwindled to mattering very little as the military pursues its domestic political goals full steam ahead, regional analysts say. If anything, some of them add, the administration’s careful efforts to preserve a decades-old regional security strategy based on Egypt may only be encouraging Egypt’s generals to proceed knowing that the US needs Egypt more than Egypt needs the US.

“The administration’s cautious, step-by-step approach only reinforces the thinking in the minds of the generals” that they can proceed on the “very dangerous” repressive path they’ve chosen under the assumption that America values a stable Egypt too much to cut it loose, says Brian Katulis, a senior analyst of US national security interests in the Middle East at Washington’s Center for American Progress…

“Obama is saying by his actions that the US does not know how to quit Egypt – and the generals see that,” Katulis says.

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Bringing the Brotherhood into some kind of inclusive coalition government in which it accepts a reduced political role in exchange for calling off its sit-ins and demonstrations may be desirable, but it is about as realistic as getting a mongoose and a cobra to work together for the good of the mice.

What’s realistic and desirable is for the military to succeed in its confrontation with the Brotherhood as quickly and convincingly as possible. Victory permits magnanimity. It gives ordinary Egyptians the opportunity to return to normal life. It deters potential political and military challenges. It allows the appointed civilian government to assume a prominent political role. It settles the diplomatic landscape. It lets the neighbors know what’s what.

And it beats the alternatives. Alternative No. 1: A continued slide into outright civil war resembling Algeria’s in the 1990s. Alternative No. 2: Victory by a vengeful Muslim Brotherhood, which will repay its political enemies richly for the injuries that were done to it. That goes not just for military supremo Abdel Fattah Al Sisi and his lieutenants, but for every editor, parliamentarian, religious leader, businessman or policeman who made himself known as an opponent of the Brotherhood.

Question for Messrs. Graham, Leahy and Paul: Just how would American, Egyptian, regional or humanitarian interests be advanced in either of those scenarios? The other day Sen. Paul stopped by the Journal’s offices in New York and stressed his opposition to any U.S. policy in Syria that runs contrary to the interests of that country’s Christians. What does he suppose would happen to Egypt’s Copts, who have been in open sympathy with Gen. Sisi, if the Brotherhood wins?

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God love Americans. They are appalled by the bloodshed. But America’s leaders tell them little about anything else. Morsi’s strangling of opposition rights and the courts’ ability to review his key decisions have been neglected in the media. There is no “news” here. It is all happening below the radar, in slow motion. Elections, whatever the realities, are great. Coups, whatever the realities, are bad. End of story.

Where are the reminders about how President George W. Bush paved the way for free elections in the Gaza Strip, how Hamas won, and how, then, democracy there came to an end and terrorism made a full comeback? Where are the explanations of what is happening in the great nation of Turkey? Democratically elected Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan has slowly but surely jailed Turkey’s general officer corps, the guardians of secular society, and begun Islamizing the country while curtailing democratic rights. Which is worse: when the military overthrows democratically elected governments, no matter how undemocratic, or when a democratically elected government destroys democracy with “legitimate” power? These are not questions America’s commentariat or elected representatives in Congress care to speak of, let alone grapple with.

The Islamists understand American culture far better than the Egyptian moderates, and they’re much better propagandists. They know how deeply Americans are repelled by the killings, so don’t put it past them to provoke and stage the killings for the television cameras. They want martyrs. They want the cameras and the carnage, and Americans are reacting like good Americans: with outrage…

[T]he reality is that the Brotherhood is intent on creating chaos, and though it’s not nice to say, the military is doing what a lot of governments around the world would do under the same conditions.

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As churches burn, as nuns are paraded through the streets by the Muslim Brotherhood, and as Christians across Egypt fear for their lives in the face of the jihadist onslaught, American policy can and should get very simple, very fast: Not one scintilla of aid until the Egyptian military demonstrates — by deeds, not just words — that it is committed to stopping this wave of persecution in its tracks, protecting the most basic human rights of its Christian citizens, and utterly defeating the Muslim Brotherhood. The crisis could escalate quickly to Balkan- or Syrian-level brutality and religious cleansing, but the Egyptian military — well-stocked with equipment we purchased, made, and keep in good repair — is capable of ending the onslaught against Christians.

The Obama administration’s dance with the Muslim Brotherhood devil is one of the shameful episodes in recent American foreign policy, but we have a chance to correct our mistake before we have no good options left. In other words, before Egypt becomes Syria. The Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy, the Egyptian Christians are victims of jihad, and the American-supplied Egyptian military can and should exercise decisive force.

It’s past time to call in Egypt’s debt. They may not repay us with money, but they can repay us with actions: Protect Christians and defeat the Muslim Brotherhood, or you’re on your own.

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Absolutely HN

cmsinaz on August 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM

The Australian media and American news media are going to want to make this about guns, to the extent that US news media do give it special coverage. What the Australians hear is, “oh, those Americans and their crazy gun culture. Everyone there is allowed to have guns, and isn’t that just insane?”

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:03 AM

and i need to watch my blood pressure….

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 4:06 AM

…what can I do?…to help it go up!

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 8:21 AM

“just insane?”

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:03 AM

…yes you are!…don’t you know?

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 8:25 AM

So now MadCon is gone? That’s it I’m quitting work. Just kidding.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM

So now MadCon is gone? That’s it I’m quitting work. Just kidding.
Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Did he get banned?

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:39 AM

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Ed said buh-bye to him but didn’t do the usual banned message, so I’m not really sure. There is a history and MadCon is, for a lack of a better word, passionate. If he wasn’t so young I would worry about his blood pressure.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:49 AM

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM

I can speak to the families of the kids involved and their possible shame over the death of this young man but the race hustlers won’t take long to make them victims and if related to one of these jewels, it might seem like a life line. Rationalization is powerful.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:53 AM

So now MadCon is gone? That’s it I’m quitting work. Just kidding.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM

I guess I missed SWWalker’s banning as well…

OmahaConservative on August 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM

So now MadCon is gone? That’s it I’m quitting work. Just kidding.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:37 AM

lol :)

Did he get banned?

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Starts here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/20/guardian-british-intelligence-made-us-destroy-our-hard-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-7258622

Ed said buh-bye to him but didn’t do the usual banned message, so I’m not really sure. There is a history and MadCon is, for a lack of a better word, passionate. If he wasn’t so young I would worry about his blood pressure.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:49 AM

He has gotten ornerier over time…I would be willing to bet his marriage isn’t going so great.

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 8:59 AM

OmahaConservative on August 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Yeah, I missed the actual thread also. Maybe Ed handles veterans different, twerp just couldn’t comment. I guess they don’t want us to whine. That said, who cares if MadCon calls Ed pissy, although the bigger implication was he wasn’t doing his job, that wasn’t fair. I guess we are suppose to be use to being called racists homophobes bigots on a daily basis and I wouldn’t ban those nuts either. You don’t know what will rile you up until the actual hammer is in your hand and MadCon delights in this type of interaction.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Gosh, I hope you are wrong, I don’t think it is personal, just the world and its present course. I’m pretty sure he thinks we should all be screaming at the top of our lungs and that inside voices are now a waste of time. He can go his unbridled length at Ace’s place. I miss the people who seem to have just dropped out. I miss you Spirit of 1776.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Yep. He does…or, did. And, quite colorfully, too.

kingsjester on August 21, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Gosh, I hope you are wrong, I don’t think it is personal, just the world and its present course. I’m pretty sure he thinks we should all be screaming at the top of our lungs and that inside voices are now a waste of time. He can go his unbridled length at Ace’s place. I miss the people who seem to have just dropped out. I miss you Spirit of 1776.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Did he ever seem to you to be a happy, content person?

I had 2 exchanges with him, one about the NSA/Snowden and the other about porn’s affect on marriages. His projection & the straw men he kept creating about me were cartoonish – it was sad that he couldn’t listen to what I was actually saying to him, but felt the need to grotesquely distort it.

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:23 AM

An addition: I remember in the past that he referred to himself as an agnostic; just recently, I thought I saw that change to “atheist.”

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM

They keep culling the herd, and banning more and more of us old-timers. I wonder if Michelle M would recognize 10% of the current posters?

OmahaConservative on August 21, 2013 at 9:34 AM

kingsjester on August 21, 2013 at 9:12 AM

LOL! And he probably held back on HotAir!

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I wouldn’t even want to try to guess if he was happy and content from just the small sliver of my interaction with him here. None of us really know each other and anonymity is a great mask.

OmahaConservative on August 21, 2013 at 9:34 AM

By the time I came along there wasn’t much inaction with Michelle on the site, so I am not sure. I think when you sell something, you have to be prepared to cut the ties.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Yep. Michelle would interject something from time to time, but, she was usually busy with her own website.

I do know that the Ban hammer was dropped in a quicker manner back then, especially if it was discovered that the Troll had gotten back in under a new name, after being banned, like our old buddy “Roger Waters/The Wall, etc”

We have at least 2 of them like that now, and others who are operating under multiple names.

kingsjester on August 21, 2013 at 9:49 AM

I wouldn’t even want to try to guess if he was happy and content from just the small sliver of my interaction with him here. None of us really know each other and anonymity is a great mask.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:43 AM

So, you think it’s not easy to tell who around here consistently listens to others without a proclivity to attack, and who doesn’t? Sorry Cindy, I’m not buying! :)

People who tend to belittle others over differing opinions are not happy, and they can’t hide behind any mask for long.

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Maybe the regime screwed up on purpose in Egypt and other ME countries to keep them in turmoil and thus keep the price of oil high. Always follow the money.

Kissmygrits on August 21, 2013 at 10:19 AM

I actually feel bad when anyone gets banned, especially if it’s someone who actually cares about the issues and isn’t spamming.

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 10:29 AM

All you do is spam. Batcrap crazy one.

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM

One piece of advice for all who comment here. Worth exactly what you are paying me for it. Those that seek to admonish the mods here would be wise to desist. Both Ed and Allah have had their fill of it. You have been warned.

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 11:07 AM

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 8:03 AM

…yes you are!…don’t you know?

KOOLAID2 on August 21, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Might be, on the SP threads…but bg makes such cogent comments on a topic the media avoids, when OK, the US, Australia and the world s/b up in arms, and are, about this senseless killing, and you say this…

Weasels to come by and declare insanity. I swear the entire land has gone to nutland.

You’d be better served if you’d demand that HA cover this topic.

“But, but, but Schad, why do you care, you mad dog? bluegill hates SP, so there”

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 11:07 AM

“Who are you to give advice to fully grown up/free people, you mad one?” :)

My friend, we know what happens. You summed it all up…on the self-deporting and all that. That’s exactly how it will be.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 11:11 AM

; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Well, he’s always been nice to me even when we haven’t agreed. Have I seen him be hard on other folks? Sure. Did he give as good as he got? Debatable. I’d rather tangle with MadCon than Blake and I like them both.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Lolz! I’d prefer to tangle with you. Much, much more pleasant than all others. ; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Btw, maddie’s back.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

That’s funny!

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It’s not fun to argue with me, I’m perfectly happy with other people being wrong.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Lolz!

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Good, Ed must have had a change of heart. Where?

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Good, Ed must have had a change of heart. Where?

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Negative…it’s what you said Bm.

Schadenfreude on August 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Well, he’s always been nice to me even when we haven’t agreed.

I’ve been friends with people like that, and realized it was only a matter of the “right” catalyst before they’d go after me at some point in time, too.

I am not saying this would necessarily apply to you. My nature as anti-passive person played into those instances, as well as gender (think about males & their competitive egos! :))

Have I seen him be hard on other folks? Sure. Did he give as good as he got? Debatable. I’d rather tangle with MadCon than Blake and I like them both.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 1:27 PM

From what I’ve seen of Blake, he looks like he’d be an easier person for me to disagree with than madisonconservative.

When mc is in one of his moods & convinced he’s right, in my book there is no point in talking with him, because all he does is dismiss what is said to him while putting words in others’ mouths (beside seeing it happen to others, I’ve experienced it personally, so I know what I’m talking about!) When I see people engage me like that, I think to myself, “What am I doing here? This person doesn’t care about my input, nor does he care that he is doing nothing other than create straw men about me!”

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I always remember that if we passed each other on the street, we would never know it. Your anti-passive nature and MadCon’s anti-passive nature are a recipe for exactly what you get. I’m one of those people who doesn’t like to lose control. We are all the product of the lives we have lived.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

I always remember that if we passed each other on the street, we would never know it. Your anti-passive nature and MadCon’s anti-passive nature are a recipe for exactly what you get.

That’s a false statement (a person can be anti-passive without being aggressive, I’ll point out.)

I am not a creator of straw men nor an argumentative, emotionally high-strung crank. I can’t say the same about him, unfortunately, and it looks like you can’t say much differently, either, seeing that you made a comment about how he’d argue with a fencepost! :) My problems with him came about because of his aggressiveness, narcissism, and lack of good listening skills.

I basically listen to others empathetically, while he basically listens skeptically – this style of his combined with my anti-passive nature was the recipe for our conflict!

I’m one of those people who doesn’t like to lose control. We are all the product of the lives we have lived.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Are you saying that’s all we are? Do you believe there’s no room in any of our lives for, “you can rise above your circumstances through philosophic thought”?

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I’m saying that you take this a lot more personally than I do. MadCon does indeed like to argue and he can be rude and he appears to like himself. You believe that you have a superior anti-passive technique to making your points and you appear happy with yourself. I’m not exactly sure where you want this to go. I don’t limit myself in my ability to admire many people, including people that I disagree with or do not have the same emotional make up as myself. All of us being the same would be very boring.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I’m saying that you take this a lot more personally than I do.

I don’t like being blamed for conflict when I don’t deserve it. Do you? Do you believe any normal person does?

MadCon does indeed like to argue and he can be rude and he appears to like himself. You believe that you have a superior anti-passive technique to making your points and you appear happy with yourself. I’m not exactly sure where you want this to go.

Not necessarily anywhere, I guess…I see this as a friendly discussion. :)

Don’t you think it would be odd if people didn’t believe their opinions & techniques were better than the alternatives? (that’s not to say they are better, of course.)

I don’t limit myself in my ability to admire many people, including people that I disagree with or do not have the same emotional make up as myself. All of us being the same would be very boring.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I don’t like to see anyone limit their options (excluding unhealthy ones!)

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Anti-Control on August 21, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I have to admit that I have never understood the tactic of making a point by belittling the person you hope to convince. I saw that a lot during the primaries last year. Once you can’t filter out any compelling points and insults are all that are left it isn’t even interesting as a foray into people watching. I actually think that is worse in like minded people, they are usually smarter than that, making it seem that much more unnecessary. That said, I have misunderstood enough people’s points or their presentation of their views not to criticize and usually ask questions for clarification.

Cindy Munford on August 21, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Ummm guys there is a new QOTD up. Just thought I’d break in and point that out. ; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM

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