MSNBC analyst: Why do gun-rights fans cite the Second Amendment given the neo-confederate thread among them?

posted at 6:01 pm on August 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Corner. In her defense, I believe MSNBC contributors are contractually required to use the word “neo-confederate” to describe right-wingers at least three times a year. (Kidding. I hope.)

Her point here, I think, goes like this: Righties believe in states’ rights and the Tenth Amendment, which is essentially a *winkwink* “neo-confederate” outlook, except when it comes to guns, when they to go running to the Bill of Rights to torpedo duly enacted state gun-control laws. Sub in the word “federalist” for “neo-confederate” there and yes, all of that is basically true. And? The Tenth Amendment says, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Err on the side of devolving power to the state level, in other words, unless the supreme law of the land says something on point to the contrary. Surely she doesn’t think conservatives believe that principle applies exclusively to the Second Amendment. The animosity among tea partiers towards NSA surveillance as a violation of the Fourth Amendment won’t change if the NSA decides to outsource its powers to state governments. Conservative support for free exercise under the First Amendment won’t wane if HHS chooses to let states enact contraception mandates under ObamaCare instead of doing it at the federal level either. If she’s making the point that policy priorities tend to influence one’s view of when a constitutional right trumps state power, that’s fine, but the left’s just as guilty of that. There are no bigger fans of expansive Commerce Clause power than modern liberals, but good luck getting them to sign on to a law passed by Congress under that provision that would restrict abortion nationally. To borrow Reid’s phrasing, there’s a neo-socialist thread among them, but that doesn’t stop them from drawing a line when they think especially favored rights are under threat.

Exit question via Noah Rothman: Is “neo-confederate” really the best description for people who are appealing for authority to the U.S. Constitution?


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gee, another MSNBC clip

JR on August 21, 2013 at 11:39 AM

when Biden said they are trying to put you back in chains

I await with popcorn the greatest show on earth in the 2016 elections:

Biden talkin chains (it will sound like: Fire!Fire! Fire!)
Hillary talking “jive and shucks” Ebonics. (While Bill checks out the audience for live ones, wearing a “T shirt that reads: I was the first black president.

Howard Dean still yelling Yeeeeeeoooohhhhh….

Jeb yelling, “I’m really conservative, honest!”
Christie and McCain yelling “us too!” (With the little Lindsey Graham remora still firmly attached to Mac’s leg.)

Rove yelling, The conservative tea party is the problem.”
Dick Cheney asking,”Which conservative am I supposed to take down again?”

Palin yelling, “I told you so!”
Cruz….well, we get to choose if America is over or not right now”

Don L on August 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Oh dear God…it’s been two hours! Issue an Amber Alert! The history perfesser, John C. Calhoun II, has been abducted!

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

For example, Obama lost West Virginia in 2008 despite the large number of Democrats…wonder why.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Coal. Barack Obama 2007 statement on Coal, from wikipedia, “Barack Obama has called climate change, “one of the greatest moral challenges of our generation” and has proposed investing $150 billion over ten years to research and develop renewables, biofuels, efficiency, “clean coal,” and other clean technologies. Despite his insistence on the importance of low-emissions coal plants and developing clean coal technologies, Obama does not support a moratorium on new coal development until these technologies are viable. [2] He has stated, however, that he “will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.” Obama claims a “stringent cap” on carbon will render it uneconomic to build new, traditional coal facilities and will discourage the further use of existing but “inefficient” facilities. Existing coal plants would be retrofitted with coal capture and sequestration technology if and when it becomes available.[3]

mtb on August 21, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Oh libby why on earth did the dnc choose to take up the racist, fascist banner of our past and make it clearly their own? Me thinks you doth doublethink too much.

onomo on August 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

As long as she wants to talk Civil War (coded racist) talk, ask her if she knows how many of those gun-toting, God fearing, white boys in the North died to free her people?

Don L on August 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

The way you defuse these stupid accusations is to claim ownership of them. They’re just words, so yes I’m a proud neo-confederate whose family did not step upon America’s shores until 1880. But according to this twit, my white skin and blue eyes make me culpable to America’s slave past. So yes, my “slave owning white Irish and German ancestors were proud Southern slave owners. Just agree with any accusation they send your way and they have no place else to go. It will effectively shut them down. Oh, and by the way, I’m sure some of her African ancestors sold other blacks into slavery to the British from whom we inherited the system. Yeah, right!

“A whining crying race may be pitied but seldom respected.” ~ Booker T. Washington

SpiderMike on August 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I have a Confederate Flag shower curtain and a few odd cans of spray paint. What do I need to do to make it ‘Neo’? On the inside or outside?

Tsar of Earth on August 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

The Constitution is RAAAAAAACIST!!

mel23059 on August 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Republicans would like you to believe that all of those white southerners who voted to maintain Jim Crow by voting for Democrats year after year, simply disappeared and that by the 1980s the GOP’s power in the south was made up of a whole new set of white voters who never existed in the state before. Maybe they were anti-racist Republicans who all moved south! Yeah, that makes sense.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:11 AM

That’s exactly what happened. The old generations pass and new ones were born. Times change, even though you don’t like to think they do.

DFCtomm on August 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM

But really, Joy, what if some state passed a law to ban your mag – what, the grid – what would be your reaction? As the Constitution provides you with the right to freedom of the press, I would think that you may make a case that this law is unconstitutional at the federal level. Isn’t this the same thing, or am I missing something. As for neo-confederate, or whatever, see my previous comment.

mel23059 on August 21, 2013 at 2:32 PM

I have a related question, since this racist witch is spewing racism. Why is there no HA thread about the racist murder in Oklahoma?

You buying that “bored” story?

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Pseudo intellectuals..they can be spotted a mile away and when they open their mouth it becomes even more obvious. They want to cast aspersions on gun owners but ignore the black on black crime that is permitted to go on. Just blame white gun owners and the Chicago murders will disappear.

jaywemm on August 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM

The South did not send a majority of Republicans to the House of Representatives until the ‘Gingrich Revolution’ in 1994 and, from Reconstruction until the 2000s, Democrats controlled the majority of Governors’ Mansions and state legislatures in the South.

A few more ‘Fun Facts’: ‘The Republicans began to lose their hold on the black vote in the 1930s, not the 1960s, and the proximate cause was the New Deal, not civil-rights legislation — all of which, including the 1964 act, was passed on Republican support in the face of Democratic opposition. The majority of black Americans became Democrats by the 1940s, not in the 1950s or 1960s — Truman won nearly 80% of the black vote in 1948. The last Republican presidential nominee to win the black vote was Herbert Hoover. Fred Vinson, the chief obstacle to the Brown desegregation mandate, was the last chief justice appointed by a Democrat. And the Deep South did not abandon the Democrats after 1964: Republicans did not win a majority of southern congressional seats until the 1994 election, 30 years later.’

Democrats and revisionist history go hand-in-hand. Democrats have a predictable history and an unpredictable past….

Resist We Much on August 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I have a related question, since this racist witch is spewing racism. Why is there no HA thread about the racist murder in Oklahoma?

You buying that “bored” story?

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Silly dogsoldier, HA is about getting Republicans elected. Not about discussing difficult topics. I don’t even think AP will address it since there isn’t much irony or anything else he likes to be wrung out of it.

DFCtomm on August 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

If black women like this would spend time fixing their heinous black male youth problem, we wouldn’t have to talk about guns all the time….We dont have a gun problem, we have a black problem and until people get over their fear of being called racist, we will continue to be plagued by these people….If you go jogging take a .357 and if you hear bumping music get ready.

Redstone357 on August 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM

You nailed it. Like so many other black on white murders that occur in this country they will invent some BS motive rather than face the fact we are living with an out of control minority in this nation that wants to kill whites because their lazy and stupid leaders tell them all the time how racist and evil whites are and that it is our fault they live the way they do…..And we cant count on ‘republicans” to do anything about it, they are nearly as weak and ineffectual as the liberals when it comes to race problems..One more reason we need a real conservative party in this country.

Redstone357 on August 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

; )

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 4:34 PM

by the 1980s the GOP’s power in the south was made up of a whole new set of white voters who never existed in the state before. Maybe they were anti-racist Republicans who all moved south! Yeah, that makes sense.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Yeah, we have this thing now called air conditioning. It allows people to live in places that don’t snow, without necessarily wilting in 95-degree heat.

The 60s was the first decade since the Civil War that more people moved to the South than moved out. In the 70s, twice as many people moved in as moved out.

So, your sarcasm notwithstanding, what you described mirrors the changing demographics of the nation perfectly.

The Schaef on August 21, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Redstone357 on August 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I dunno Redstone, I find Jackson and Sharptoon quite energetic, clever and cynical in their racebaiting. They are perverse, vulgar and despicable.

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Redstone357 on August 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I dunno Redstone, I find Jackson and Sharptoon quite energetic, clever and cynical in their racebaiting. They are perverse, vulgar and despicable.

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 4:53 PM

And they haven’t done one thing positive for the African-American population in the US in decades.

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Let’s just take a minute and run through the FACTS about the Democratic Party’s positions on slavery, segregation, lynching, Jim Crow, etc., in the 19th century up to 1920 before we turn to modern era civil rights legislation:

* Supported slavery in 6 platforms from 1840-1860.

* Opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution that successively wiped out slavery and gave both legal rights and voting rights to black Americans.

* Supported segregation actively or by silence in 20 platforms from 1868-1948.

* Opposed anti-lynching laws, specifically supported by the GOP in four platforms between 1912 and 1928.

* Opposed the GOP-sponsored Civil Rights Acts of 1866, which focused on legal equality for blacks.

* Opposed the GOP on giving voting rights to blacks in the District of Columbia in 1867. The legislation was passed over the Democrats’ objection.

* Nominated an 1868 presidential ticket of New York Governor Horatio Seymour and ex-Missouri Congressman Francis Blair. The Democrats pledged they would declare the Civil Rights laws passed by the GOP “null and void” and would refuse to enforce them. They lost to Ulysses Grant.

* Opposed the Enforcement Acts, three laws passed by the GOP between 1870 and 1871 targeting the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and making it a federal crime to block the right of blacks to vote, hold office, serve on juries and have equal protection of the laws with whites.

* Opposed the GOP Civil Rights Act of 1875, which prohibited discrimination of blacks in public accommodations.

* Used the Ku Klux Klan as what Columbia University historian Eric Foner calls “a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party.” Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease’s description of the Klan as the “terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.” Nor is there mention of the infamous 1924 Democratic Convention — the “Klanbake” as it is known to history because hundreds of the delegates were Klan members. The Klan-written platform mixed the traditional Democratic message of progressivism and racism in the Klan-written platform.

* Repealed the Civil Rights laws enacted by GOP Congresses and presidents, already damaged by the Supreme Court. When Democrats gained control of both Congress and the White House in 1892, the Democrats’ President Grover Cleveland signed the repeal on February 8, 1894.

Resist We Much on August 21, 2013 at 5:20 PM

RWM, I love it when you send LFOD crying home to his mommy. :-)

itsspideyman on August 21, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Stupid that strong has to be painful.

Another Drew on August 21, 2013 at 6:40 PM

And they haven’t done one thing positive for the African-American population in the US in decades.

Del Dolemonte on August 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

You’re correct. Worse, everything they have done further divides us and destroys whatever chance we have to actually come together as Martin Luther King desired. He would despise Sharpton and Jackson.

dogsoldier on August 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM

So stupid, I thought it was Jehmu Green.

ultracon on August 21, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Neo-b!tch.

S. D. on August 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

She said NEO! Snerk! Liberals can be so funny. Except when they are in charge.

NTxOkie on August 22, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Hitler confiscated firearms.

So there, you moron.

Akzed on August 22, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Oh, and by the way, I’m sure some of her African ancestors sold other blacks into slavery….
SpiderMike on August 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM

The truth is that in colonial Connecticut there were a half dozen registered slave owners that were…African-Americans. I’m certain other states had there…dare I say…quota of black slave owners also.

Don L on August 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Republicans would like you to believe that all of those white southerners who voted to maintain Jim Crow by voting for Democrats year after year, simply disappeared and that by the 1980s the GOP’s power in the south was made up of a whole new set of white voters who never existed in the state before. Maybe they were anti-racist Republicans who all moved south! Yeah, that makes sense.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:11 AM

If southerners were so racist, why did they need laws to enforce racism . . . Wasn’t it taking care of itself? No. It wasn’t. The next generation and the people moving to the South were doing things that ticked off the racist Democrats, who got their money from businesses being threatened by these upstart competitors that served color blind. Just like conservatives today are fighting the limp wristed, Democrat light GOP establishment, there was a Klan supported, wealthy, entrenched Democrat machine that had to pass laws to stop people from not being racist.

Who makes laws to make people do what they are already doing? NOBODY. Even Democrats aren’t that stupid. The Jim Crow laws were to stop racism from ending on its own. Until he died, Democrats had one member of that machine in the US Senate, year after year. Robert Byrd was the epitome of it. So was Al Gore Sr. Conservatives want equal, color blind opportunity for all.

The Democrats want to keep telling people of color that they are incapable of making it on their own and need government help to survive, and it’s all whitey’s fault. Thus, too many people of all races live trapped in government dependency believing it’s privileged white people who are to blame. Then as things get worse, they start shooting at them.

PastorJon on August 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

RRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

williamg on August 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I guess LFOD didn’t want to discuss the positive impact of air conditioning on American culture.

The Schaef on August 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM

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