Egyptian military chief orders army to rebuild every Coptic church burned by the Muslim Brotherhood

posted at 6:41 pm on August 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

A political master stroke, although I don’t think this is aimed at pressuring Obama into not cutting U.S. aid. Sisi doesn’t care about that; the Saudis will pick up the slack if we yank our measly $2 billion. This is, I think, designed not only to solidify Christian support for the military in Egypt (which was already solid) but to signal to western Christians who are reading news stories about massacres that the military’s the protector of pluralism against Islamism. And that PR will help if/when Egypt needs a loan from the IMF, which might otherwise be inclined not to do business with an outfit that’s shooting protesters in the street.

This is the moral dilemma of post-post-revolutionary Egypt. How brutal and illiberal will the world let the army be in the name of crippling the brutal, illiberal Muslim Brotherhood?

“The Egyptian defense minister ordered the engineering department of the armed forces to swiftly repair all the affected churches, in recognition of the historical and national role played by our Coptic brothers,” read a statement that aired on Egyptian television.

Bishop Mousa thanked Sisi for his efforts to repair the damaged churches.

“We thank Col. Gen. Sisi for commissioning the brave Egyptian armed forces to rebuild the places of worship damaged during the recent events,” Bishop Mousa said on Twitter…

The Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), an Egyptian NGO, says at least 25 churches were torched this week, and attackers also targeted Christian schools, shops and homes across all 27 provinces.

Expect more of this from Egyptian diplomats on western TV and in news conferences with western leaders. Lots of talk about defending minority rights, especially the rights of women and Copts, and probably a few invocations of the Kristallnacht analogies being used by some American commentators to describe the burning of Coptic churches this past week. (As I say, this’ll be in western forums. Back home, given endemic anti-semitism in the region, denunciation via Nazi comparisons is … more complicated.) The Brotherhood will help the PR effort too with loathsome displays like this. Ultimately Sisi will frame the issue this way: Do you want him to go easy and risk the MB gathering strength and weapons to the point where they can launch a sustained insurgency like the jihadis have in Syria, or do you want him to bring down the hammer on Islamism before Iraq and Jordan blow up too? How many westerners are going to go to bat for church-burners when the question’s framed that way?

Like InstaGlenn said on Sunday night, as gruesome as the past two weeks have been, the west is now seeing one of its big post-9/11 wishes come true. The hope was that Muslim populations would turn on the fundies in their midst and that’s what’s happening now in Egypt in spades. The Muslim Brotherhood, not Israel, is the new archenemy. Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?


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Egyptian military chief orders army to rebuild every Coptic church burned by the Muslim Brotherhood

Awesome. And they should use MB prisoners for labor.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Caliph Obama will not be pleased.

PappyD61 on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

This would be awesome if it’s true.

A swift kick in the bawls to Obama and his Moslem Brotherhood allies.

Egypt shows us how it’s done. No appeasement, no complacency, no political correctness, no mercy for terrorists.

Key West Reader on August 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I don’t think Obama will like that at all. Separation of church and state and all that.

Besides, what about the mosques damaged? It would be unfair to favor one religion over another.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

This must be at least an inconvenience to the ongoing love affair between the”Arab Spring” pro-Muslim Brotherhood, and their leftist friends in our corrupt political structure.

Don L on August 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Do you want him to go easy and risk the MB gathering strength and weapons to the point where they can launch a sustained insurgency like the jihadis have in Syria, or do you want him to bring down the hammer on Islamism before Iraq and Jordan blow up too? How many westerners are going to go to bat for church-burners when the question’s framed that way?

Don’t forget what Obama already did in Libya… he was laying groundwork and is arming Syrian “rebels”.

Key West Reader on August 20, 2013 at 6:50 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood, not Israel, is the new archenemy.

And the archenemy wears Obama-garb….

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/08/muslim-brotherhood-thug-wears-obama-t-shirt.html

ted c on August 20, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Notice there were no Mosque burned.

Grunt on August 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

The real question: Do the people actually care, or do they just want to make the bad go away?

nobar on August 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Rebuilding churches? Mr. Obama and the godless MSM will hate this to death.

Mason on August 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

One thing is for sure, the Egyptian military’s leader isn’t an idiot. We could use a few more of those.

Besides, any supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood deserves to be shot anyway.

eva3071 on August 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Studies: Christians Are At Present The Most Persecuted Religious Group Worldwide

Both Roman Catholic and Evangelical Protestant media have for years been drawing public attention to the persecution of Christians in many countries. Secular media have been less attentive; some have ascribed this to an anti-Christian bias; I rather doubt this—more likely it comes from the fact that many otherwise well-informed journalists are less informed on religious matters. Outside the denominational media, two individuals have done more than anyone else to cover this phenomenon: Paul Marshall (of the Hudson Institute) and Brian Grim (of the Pew Research Center). All the data I have seen indicate that Christians are at present the most persecuted religious group world-wide. Grim recently testified about this before the European Parliament: He stated that Christians are directly harassed by governments in 102 countries and by “social actors” (read lynch mobs) in 101 countries. There has also been decent coverage by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, the independent agency set up with government funding, in addition to the bureau within the State Department that reports on religious freedom worldwide every year.

In its 2013 report the Commission has a list of 8 countries (which include China) designated “countries of particular concern” (CPCs, who are reported as such to the President and the Congress, for possible US government actions). The 2013 list includes 3 Muslim-majority countries: Iran, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. There is an additional list of countries heading toward CPC status, including 4 Muslim-majority or heavily Muslim countries: Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria (its northen part), and Pakistan. It is fair to conclude that Christians have most to be afraid of from actions by Muslims, be it by courts, government policies, or by mobs of enraged Muslims encouraged by police inaction.

Egyptian Kristallnacht

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Awesome. And they should use MB prisoners for labor.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I was thinking the same thing. The Egyptians have by one report arrested over 3000 muslim brotherhood leaders. The top level guys have stopped answering their cellphones and are out of touch.

dogsoldier on August 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Time for obama to launch a drone blitzkrieg to prevent these churches from being rebuilt.

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Well good on them…

Really wondering how much the rumors of “No moar soup for you” had to do with it…

We need your $$ to do this….

BigWyo on August 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM

“A political master stroke, although I don’t think this is aimed at pressuring Obama into not cutting U.S. aid.”

Ummm…why would Obama care if Christian churches are being burned? Has he mentioned Coptics specifically in any of his “outrage” statements or am I misremembering his many, many, many statements over what is going on in Egypt recently?

JavelinaBomb on August 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

And this is where, I think, Western culture, represented (partially, but not entirely) by our national foreign policy has failed. We have utterly botched the propaganda war for the last two decades. Al-Jazeera is broadcasting here, and yet Arabic language news and entertainment broadcasting pushing liberalism, capitalism, democracy and other Western values appears to be nonexistent in the region.

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Wow. A masterstroke. Someone’s giving Zero a lesson in leadership. Zero will not be pleased.

Rational Thought on August 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

Even better question: How many Muslims in the army are going to become fundamentalized by the prospect of building Christian churches?

JackOfClubs on August 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

The MB tries to blame the Copts for their own inability to govern.

No one was preventing the MB from running a government that actually tried to stabilize the country and protect its historical sights and tourism. Instead it did just the opposite… and for that it only has itself to blame.

At some point the aQ hot heads that matriculated through the MB will be fed up with the inability of the MB to actually carry out ANY plan.

Then begins the start of the Islamic 30 Years War.

And it will be bloody.

ajacksonian on August 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

I’m sure this outraged Obama.

Murphy9 on August 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

This story belongs firmly in the ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’ file.

As to this:

Like InstaGlenn said on Sunday night, as gruesome as the past two weeks have been, the west is now seeing one of its big post-9/11 wishes come true. The hope was that Muslim populations would turn on the fundies in their midst and that’s what’s happening now in Egypt in spades. The Muslim Brotherhood, not Israel, is the new archenemy. Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

No. No Muslims are “fundementalists.” No such creature exists. There is no such thing as an “Islamic fundemetalist” or “Islamists” or “radical” whatever other silly non-descriptor Westerners choose to deploy to help them remain in denial that it is actually Islam and Muslims as a whole that are the problem. A Muslim is a Muslim. Period.

So the question:

Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

Is moot.

This is a power struggle between competing factions of Muzzies, all of whom have the same goal – global caliphate.

WhatSlushfund on August 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Egyptian Kristallnacht

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Good article.

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Notice there were no Mosque burned.

Grunt on August 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Christian churches, monasteries, community centres, homes and businesses were marked with red paint (non-Christian places were marked with black paint, according to reports).

The use of Red & Black paint is fitting considering the MoFoBros history with the Nazis.

Coptic Kristallnacht.

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Even better question: How many Muslims in the army are going to become fundamentalized by the prospect of building Christian churches?

JackOfClubs on August 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

The military is a protected, secular, upper class. Not many fundies there.

Vince on August 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Let’s see if I have this straight; Morsi was ignoring the Egyptian constitution and suppressing (demonizing) the the actions of his opponents who were wanting him to follow a democratic constitution? He was ousted because of such abuses of power and his desire to make Egypt a national/socialist Islamic state.

Maybe that’s why Obama is so non-committal about the situation; he is doing the same here.

Tater Salad on August 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Maybe that’s why Obama is so non-committal about the situation; he is doing the same here.

Tater Salad on August 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

I wonder if he’s trying to ignore it, fearing Tea Party folks might get some ideas. We’re not, but narcissism often breeds paranoia.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Exit question: Are there more fundamentalists or non-fundamentalists?

The window is shifted so far over at the moment that the question loses meaning. Looking at the public opinion polls on various issues, you see a pretty monolithic fundamentalism. The line we would try to draw today, between, say, letting Christians live and not letting Christians live — it’s pretty worthless.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 7:15 PM

AP missed one other country who might be pleased with this move…the Russians. The Egyptians will be meeting with Russians before they meet with us on aid. In other words if we cut them off the Military will reach out the Russians, the same new found Eastern Orthodox Christian Russians..with their Czar and protector of Eastern Orthodox Christians …Putin I.

And you know I say good for the Egyptian military and for the Russians. I suspect the Russians will do a better job speaking out for Christians than we have as of late…sad but true.

William Eaton on August 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Are we still pretending the military staged a cooooooo and ousted the legitimate government that was mostly peace loving and still needs us to hold our breath and clench our wallets?

A little confusing.

So, how did the Egyptian military get to be the bad guys, refusing to act against the largest demonstration in the history of human civilization — and how did the old government get to be the good guys, being Jihadists in the middle of a “holy” purge — again?

I’ve lost the propaganda thread completely.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Kristallnacht.

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

I suppose most people do not know this word.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Did you guys see/hear obama’s speech on all the Christian killings and their church markings and destruction.

obama and his butt-dwellers, yes you, the media, too, believe that elections constitute “democracy”.

Fools, may tyrannies engulf you all. You never want to live what you preach of.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

It just boggles my mind that McCain and Graham is blaming the military for the wanton violence in Egypt.

It’s obvious that the Muslim Brotherhood has been destroying Christian churches across Egypt, and even if you assume that we are not a Christian nation, it’s clear as day that Muslim Brotherhood is doing what their particular strain of “religion of peace” calls for, killing the “infidels,” and fighting violently to establish their Taliban state of Shariah Law where girls older than 7 cannot have medical care or education. The military now represents the actual “religion of peace,” and those that call for the the military to cease and desist from defending their country from the violent MB hordes are wrongheaded.

anotherJoe on August 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Does anyone believe a single word obama says?

Does anyone doubt which side he’s on?

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

List of churches that have been torched by the Muslim Brotherhood:

Catholic churches and convents

1. Franciscan church and school (road 23) – burned (Suez)
2. Monastery of the Holy Shepherd and hospital – burned (Suez)
3. Church of the Good Shepherd, Monastery of the Good Shepherd – burned in molotov attack (Asuit)
4. Coptic Catholic Church of St. George – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
5. Church of the Jesuits – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
6. Fatima Basilica – attacked – Heliopolis
7. Coptic Catholic Church of St. Mark – burned (Minya – Upper Egypt)
8. Franciscan convent (Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary) – burned (Beni Suef, Upper Egypt)
9. Church of St. Teresa – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
10. Franciscan Church and School – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
11. Convent of St Joseph and school – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
12. Coptic Catholic Church of the Sacred Heart – torched (Minya, Upper Egypt)
13 Convent of the Sisters of Saint Mary – attacked (Cairo)
14. School of the Holy Shepherd – attacked (Minya, Upper Egypt)

Orthodox and Evangelical Churches
1. Anglican Church of St. Saviour – burned (Suez)
2. Evangelical Church of St Michael – surrounded and sacked (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
3. Coptic Orthodox Church of St. George – Burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
4. Church of Al-Esla – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
5. Adventist Church – burned, the pastor and his wife abducted (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
6. Church of the Apostles – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
7. Church of the Holy renewal – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
8. Diocesan Centre Coptic Orthodox Qusiya – burned (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
9. Church of St. George – burned (Arish, North Egypt)
10. Church of St. George in al-Wasta – burned (Beni Suef, Upper Egypt)
11. Church of the Virgin Mary – attacked (Maadi, Cairo)
12. Church of the Virgin Mary – attacked (Mostorod, Cairo)
13. Coptic Orthodox Church of St. George – attacked (Helwan, Cairo)
14. Church of ​​St. Mary of El Naziah – burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
15. Church of Santa Damiana – sacked and burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
16. Church of St. Theodore – burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
17. Evangelical Church of al-Zorby – Sacked and destroyed (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
18. Church of St. Joseph – burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
19. Franciscan School – burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
20. Coptic Orthodox Diocesan Center of St. Paul – burned (Gharbiya, Delta)
21. Coptic Orthodox Church of St. Anthony – burned (Giza)
22. Coptic Church of St. George – burned (Atfeeh, Giza)
23. Church of the Virgin Mary and father Abraham – burned (Delga, Deir Mawas, Minya, Upper Egypt)
24. Church of St. Mina Abu Hilal Kebly – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
25. Baptist Church in Beni Mazar – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
26. Church of Amir Tawadros – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
27. Evangelical Church – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
28. Church of Anba Moussa al-Aswad- burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
29. Church of the Apostles – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
30. Church of St Mary – arson attempt (Qena, Upper Egypt)
31. Coptic Church of St. George – burned (Sohag, Upper Egypt)
32. Church of Santa Damiana – Attacked and burned (Sohag, Upper Egypt)
33. Church of the Virgin Mary – burned (Sohag, Upper Egypt)
34. Church of St. Mark and community center – burned (Sohag, Upper Egypt)
35. Church of Anba Abram – destroyed and burned (Sohag, Upper Egypt)

Christian institutions
1. House of Fr. Angelos (pastor of the church of the Virgin Mary and Father Abraham) – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
2. Properties and shops of Christians – Burnt (Arish, North Egypt)
3. 17 Christian homes attacked and looted (Minya, Upper Egypt)
4. Christian homes – Attach (Asuit, Upper Egypt)
5. Offices of the Evangelical Foundation – burned (Minya, Upper Egypt)
6. Stores, pharmacies, hotels owned by Christians – attacked and looted (Luxor, Upper Egypt)
7. Library of the Bible Society – burned (Cairo)
8. Bible Society – burned (Fayoum, Upper Egypt)
9. Bible Society- burned (Asuit, North Egypt

Remember, under Shar’ia no new church construction is allowed.

nazo311 on August 20, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Isn’t this the tradition in the middle east? When civil government totally starts getting out of control the military usually steps in to restore order. I know in Turkey the military historically sees themselves as a guardian against oppressive forces. They’ll have a coupe time and again to stabilize society.

OliverB on August 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Egyptian military chief orders army to rebuild every Coptic church burned by the Muslim Brotherhood

…no wonder JugEars wants to cut them off!

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

The concrete floors and walls could use some leavening in the form of MB dudes.

Bishop on August 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

And you know I say good for the Egyptian military and for the Russians. I suspect the Russians will do a better job speaking out for Christians than we have as of late…sad but true.
William Eaton on August 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Absolutely amazing, isn’t it? Never thought I’d see the day I preferred a Russian Premier to our own President and his merry band of fellow travelers. But there it is.

Cleombrotus on August 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM

By the way, PBS is starting their historical-reenactment documentary series on the life of Big Mo tonight.

I’m sure it will be as hagiographic as anything CNN can do on Hillary. I’m not expecting to see his nine-year-old wife.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Maybe that’s what that Cabinet meeting on suspending aid was all about.

Rebuilding Churches?

Barky will cut them off.

Someday soon we get our own night of broken glass. Right here.

Instead of a assasinated ambassader, it will be racial, or some terrorist attack blamed on the right. Tension is being fommented in all directions as to give as many options as possible.

wolly4321 on August 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

… I suspect the Russians will do a better job speaking out for Christians than we have as of late…sad but true.

William Eaton on August 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

That is how the old Russian Empire got influence in much of Central/Eastern Europe and into the Muslim republics on the Russian southern border: protecting the Orthodox Christians.

I imagine this move to rebuild the churches is going to hack off the current US administration no end. Good! Not only is the rebuilding just, and it demonstrates where the true evil lies, but it will indeed, as has been pointed out, be good for public relations.

Kevin K. on August 20, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Have any US lefties or libs called any of these church burnings a hate crime yet?

farsighted on August 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Have any US lefties or libs called any of these church burnings a hate crime yet?

farsighted on August 20, 2013 at 8:17 PM

If they do, liberals will surely say the Christians somehow ‘insulted’ Islam (hate crime), causing naturally-offended Moslems to ‘lash out’.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Isn’t this the tradition in the middle east? When civil government totally starts getting out of control the military usually steps in to restore order. I know in Turkey the military historically sees themselves as a guardian against oppressive forces. They’ll have a coupe time and again to stabilize society.

OliverB on August 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Until quite recently the Turkish military was specifically charged under the Turkish Constitution with preserving the secularity of Turkey and it’s government.

Quite literally there was a section that said “If the government becomes too dominated by ANY religious faction then the military shall overthrow the electors, keep the peace and call for new elections within 6 months-until such time as the people get it through their damn heads not to elect religious nutjobs”

That section was removed in an effort to join the EU-however there is debate about restoring it-seeing as how the EU pretty much told Turkey to piss off for over a decade now and the EU is crashing-HARD.

Additionally-separation of mosque/church and state is enshrined int heir constitution and laws most specifically laws barring ANY visible religious garb or symbol from being worn in public or government buildings-i.e. no burqas, hijabs,Christian Crucifixes, Stars of David, Catholic Scapulars, Jewish head coverings, Priestly collars, etc, etc

SgtSVJones on August 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Outstanding….Mclame and gramnesty won’t be pleased though. They want their precious Muslim Brotherhood back up in power. Also Our dear leader does too and he wants them out of jail.

sadsushi on August 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Also Our dear leader does too and he wants them out of jail.

sadsushi on August 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I won’t mind if the MB are out of jail, so long as the next destination is a cemetery.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM

And this is where, I think, Western culture, represented (partially, but not entirely) by our national foreign policy has failed. We have utterly botched the propaganda war for the last two decades. Al-Jazeera is broadcasting here, and yet Arabic language news and entertainment broadcasting pushing liberalism, capitalism, democracy and other Western values appears to be nonexistent in the region.

JohnGalt23 on August 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Define failure. The liberal propaganda machine has been wildly successful both here and over there. It’s the conservatives/republican message that has been diluted to the point of being wiped out.

It also appears that the current GOP has no intention on correcting this or learning anything.

kim roy on August 20, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Kristallnacht.
 
Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

 
I suppose most people do not know this word.
 
Axe on August 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

 
Can’t you mix it with Skittles or something?

rogerb on August 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I thought Egypt was broke? Is this going to be the equivalent of The Stimulus? They could do worse.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Can’t you mix it with Skittles or something?

rogerb on August 20, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I thought it was like Baklava, only Jewisher. :)

Alas.

A massive, coordinated attack on Jews throughout the German Reich on the night of November 9, 1938, into the next day, has come to be known as Kristallnacht or The Night of Broken Glass.

The attack came after Herschel Grynszpan, a 17 year old Jew living in Paris, shot and killed a member of the German Embassy staff there in retaliation for the poor treatment his father and his family suffered at the hands of the Nazis in Germany.

On October 27, Grynszpan’s family and over 15,000 other Jews, originally from Poland, had been expelled from Germany without any warning. They were forcibly transported by train in boxcars then dumped at the Polish border.

For Adolf Hitler and Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, the shooting in Paris provided an opportunity to incite Germans to “rise in bloody vengeance against the Jews.”

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/knacht.htm

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 9:18 PM

If the Muzzy Bros want to die in a glorious jihad so they can go directly to paradise I say we should give them their wish.

myiq2xu on August 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM

probably a few invocations of the Kristallnacht analogies being used by some American commentators to describe the burning of Coptic churches this past week. (As I say, this’ll be in western forums. Back home, given endemic anti-semitism in the region, denunciation via Nazi comparisons is … more complicated.)

Only in the sense that, in the “Arab street”, the Nazis are idolized for very nearly “solving the Jewish problem”.

Keep in mind that Mein Kampf is a perennial bestseller in Arabic, etc., translation in the region. Right along with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Today, you can walk into any bookstall in a bazaar and find both displayed prominently. They are now joined by Jimmy Carter’s Palestine- Peace Not Apartheid.

What people read tells you a lot about what they’re really all about. Irrespective of their own claims, or others’ assumptions.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 20, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I am inclined to support the military here.

The Muslim Brotherhood supporters are violent fanatics who were promising revolution. Their supporters trapped and slaughtered dozens of people at a soccer match last year.

I don’t think the military intended to mow down protestors. I think the military intended to clear them out, and when they encountered violent resistance, they started to fire back. I’m sure some unarmed islamists were hurt or killed in the battle, but I don’t believe for a second that the protestors were simply sitting around singing songs and getting gunned down in cold blood.

It is disturbing the extent to which the liberal media is backing up the Muslim Brotherhood on this. You know, it is perfectly acceptable to oppose democratic reforms when the result is our enemies coming into power. Democracy is no panacea.

kaltes on August 20, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Real Egyptians have a greater sense of their history than the Muslims who seem to have infected their society with strife. It wasn’t a Muslim, Christian or Jewish country for many millenia.

Let’s hope the army also make a point of using Muslim Brotherhood funds to repair the damage.

It’s significant that the new pope has done little to highlight these unprovoked attacks on Christians. Seems like he’s another european liberal who just wants to be accepted.

virgo on August 21, 2013 at 12:45 AM

My wife is Coptic so I follow all this closely. I disagree with Allah’s original article though. If you really read what Sissi has done and listen to his speeches, the thing that really comes through is that he is a Soldier first and foremost. Everything he has done is through the lens of protecting of the people of Egypt (even from fanatical Islamist Egyptians). The Copts are Egyptians, therefore they are his responsibility – therefore you see him do this.

BTW, the Copts in Egypt were shocked at this, it would have been unheard of under Mubarak or Sadat. They already thought highly of Sissi, this sent his approval among Christians there through the roof.

Kaisersoze on August 21, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Kaisersoze on August 21, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Thank you for the on site insights.

hawkdriver on August 21, 2013 at 2:43 AM

And stay safe.

hawkdriver on August 21, 2013 at 2:43 AM

I say God bless the Egyptian armed forces and God damn Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood.

potvin on August 22, 2013 at 7:35 PM