Ted Cruz: I’m not going to get into a legal debate about whether I’m also a Canadian citizen

posted at 8:41 pm on August 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Oddly enough, per DrewM, the media’s suddenly very interested in this subject and would indeed like to debate it. From where does this newfound respectability for Birtherism spring, I wonder. Byproduct of a typically slow August news month? Or just hassling a conservative with presidential buzz whom they loathe, maybe partly as payback for anti-Obama Birthers hassling Precious for his own birth certificate for so long?

Via Mediaite and MFP, here’s Cruz on the radio this morning recusing himself from further debate on the subject. That’s wise, and I agreed with Ed’s take this morning that he was probably just tweaking the media in deciding to release his birth certificate. But I don’t see the logic in having his spokesman then deny that he’s a dual American-Canadian citizen by birth, as he almost certainly is under Canadian law. That only encourages lefty media to challenge him on it, which in turn will fuel “Can we trust a dual citizen as commander-in-chief?” hysteria on the fringe. Maybe he’s better off doing a just-in-case-I’m-Canadian citizenship renunciation now, to check the box. Four months, no problem. Start the new year off finally free and clear of Ottawa’s sinister America-sabotaging influence.

In other news from a bored, Cruz-hating media, some of his liberal classmates at Princeton didn’t like him.


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Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Rand Paul’s people are also pushing the story:
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2534467
Rand Paul disappoints me here.
bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Rand Paul needs to be called out on this.

This is dirty and dishonest politics.

Thank goodness we are dealing with this garbage now and not later.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Can’t wait for Sean Hannity’s and Fox News’ new point of view on the issue…
verbaluce

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When did Hannity ever talk about Obama’s birth? That seems like more of an MSNBC topic.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Hannity was typically boisterous in his demands to see Obama’s birth cert (which was out, but he wanted an evner-realer one), gave Trump a soapbox, had ‘panels’ on it, etc.
But he’s a committed hack, so he’ll now find all the hoopla over Cruz a leftist plot or something (even though the noise is all coming from cons and the right).

Cruz is eligible…but he won’t run.
I think he’s smart enough to wait. But he’ll tease a’la Palin for some profile building.

verbaluce on August 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

This is a scenario that exists, regardless of which definition of natural born citizen is used. If natural born citizen is defined as born on US soil to two citizen parents, what’s to stop a any country from sending a man and a woman to the US, having them become citizens, then give birth to a Manchurian candidate that they will nurture into a celebrity and eventually a president?

HarryBackside on August 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Far less likely to get it done would be my answer. Far fewer opportunities. Instead of tens of thousands of attempts to give birth to someone who has the skills and personality to pull it off, they would be down to far fewer. While they are living here long enough to get that citizenship, their loyalties may change.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

the level of ignorance exhibited by this post is scary,

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Yes, the amount of ignorance exhibited by you is scary.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Far less likely to get it done would be my answer.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Well, considering neither has ever happened, that would be the answer to both of our scenarios.

HarryBackside on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

“verbsoutofbalance”,,”liveoffothersforfree”,,,

Notwithstanding your lack of facts, the impossible use of the commie way of total big goverment top down 5 year plans and Obama careless redistribution…

You do not know how to think.

Take a moment and list some facts on the “results” of the commie way.

Take a moment and list some facts on the “liberty and freedom” of the individual and how that works.

Once you refuse those facts you will remain dumb ass jackasses.

Have a nice life screwing up other peoples lives.

Your fear of Ted Cruz is telling.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Your fear of Ted Cruz is telling.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 20, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Your imagination is telling.

verbaluce on August 20, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Unconstitutionally relaxing the requirement for president has done quite a bit in propelling our nation down the path of progress. Just ask Obama.
I would have thought that Obama as president would have sharpened the minds of those who claim to be “conservative” or on the side at least of the constitution. But instead it has made them idiots who think that the way to win against progressive’s is to further erode the protections the Constitution affords the Citizens. Here the protection is to have loyal to the nation President as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. Instead, they want to allow any anchor baby to have the ability to be President.

Our government is designed for A Virtuous and Religious people. It is wholly unsuited for any other people.
What was really meant…
We designed a government that can be appropriated easily by outside forces once we are dead. You guys really should plan to make changes quickly after we the founders are gone! LOL, HAH HAH HAH, what a bunch of dolts, I cannot believe you retards were willing to die for us!

We gave you a republic, if you can keep it.
What was really meant… According to RWM…
We gave you a self destructing government, see if you can keep it! See, we put in poison pills that will take effect after we founders have left this earth. As an example the term natural born citizen really just means any disloyal brat born on the soil by foreigners intent to do harm to the nation. Good luck suckers!

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I care about Twerp’s kid.
A bunch of liberals killed mine.
IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Look, quoting what I said then makes me sound terrible. But you had to see the context and know the history. I never told anyone to shut up or go away, so I was taken aback when I was blindsided by someone, who always talks about their personal issues, telling me to stop talking about the thread’s intended topic. I care about everyone’s kids and wish everyone the best, ok?

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM

A “natural born citizen” is a citizen by means other than naturalization. Cruz is a citizen by means of his mother’s citizenship. Hence, Cruz is a natural born citizen.

It’s only complicated if you feel the need to make it so. People are making up stuff and calling it adherence to the Constitution. Whatever.

If the likes of William A. Jacobson chime in and tell me I’m wrong, I’ll listen. Otherwise, this is just more fever swamp time-wasting nonsense from the chemtrails crowd.

ConservativeLA on August 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I thought Cruz was just tweaking the media by releasing his BC, but it turns out he was led by them and was not prepared for the onslaught.

faraway on August 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM

No, you actually don’t. Liar.

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I thought Cruz was just tweaking the media by releasing his BC, but it turns out he was led by them and was not prepared for the onslaught.

faraway on August 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Idolization is hard for some people to break free from. Just look at Oprah Winfrey and her pack of idolators. Or Barack Obama and his.
People who do not put God and Jesus at the center of their Life need to find a replacement for that piece. Many times it is another person they look up to.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Yes, the amount of ignorance exhibited by you is scary.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 10:03 AM

what have i posted that is wrong?? you butthurt caused i called you out for wanting to defer legislation to the supreme court??

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM

what have i posted that is wrong?? you butthurt caused i called you out for wanting to defer legislation to the supreme court??

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 10:53 AM

You said that that this statement was ignorant.

To anyone that really thinks the founders considered a person to be a natural born Citizen, after hearing about their foreign father or mother and birth in a foreign land…you should think again whilst trying to stick with reality and facts and history.

1andyman on August 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM

He is right. The founders never would have allowed a Barack Obama or a Ted Cruz be Commander in Chief. They just fought a long and bloody war to gain their freedom. Do you really think after that fight they were going to give the position of Commander in Chief to someone who had potential split loyalties? They specified Natural Born Citizen to be the smallest subset of Citizens of the nation to those who had the tightest ties to the nation and no ties to another nation. If you were an American Citizen, you were outlawed from being a citizen of any other nation. Thus your children, if born on American Sovereign Soil would be born without hindrance to America.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM

He is right. The founders never would have allowed a Barack Obama or a Ted Cruz be Commander in Chief. They just fought a long and bloody war to gain their freedom. Do you really think after that fight they were going to give the position of Commander in Chief to someone who had potential split loyalties? They specified Natural Born Citizen to be the smallest subset of Citizens of the nation to those who had the tightest ties to the nation and no ties to another nation. If you were an American Citizen, you were outlawed from being a citizen of any other nation. Thus your children, if born on American Sovereign Soil would be born without hindrance to America.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM

so provide the founder’s definition of natural born citizen. do you know how many of the founding father’s were born in foreign countries? explain “…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…” when you and the OP consider them to rabid xenophobes

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM

so provide the founder’s definition of natural born citizen. do you know how many of the founding father’s were born in foreign countries? explain “…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…” when you and the OP consider them to rabid xenophobes

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The only people who are naturally citizens are those that naturally would have been part of any specific group. A child born to people in the group within the jurisdiction of the group. A child that no one in the group could claim did not belong wholly to the group.

Any other circumstance requires the group to make a judgement call. Mom of the group, dad not, born in area controlled by group. Dad of the group, mom not, born in area controlled by group. … These are not natural members of the same group. They can be ostracized or rejected out of the group without having done some harm to the group. They can be claimed by another group, and in that reclamation cause violence to erupt.

“…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…”
You seriously do not understand that? That included everyone in the colonies (states) before the ratification. If you were a member in good standing, like the founding fathers, at the time the constitution was ratified, then you were amongst the natural group and allowed to be President. Like George Washington. It was only valid until the last of the founders (all the citizens of the states) of the nation died. After that, you had to be a Natural Born Citizen.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM

nice little ramble there. but you provide no cites. show the legal definition of natural born citizen. cite the statute, case law, etc.

and of course i know what that portion of the constitution means. you apparently think the founders wouldnt allow any not born in America to be president yet they included a clause that did just that. square that circle you idiot.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM

so provide the founder’s definition of natural born citizen. do you know how many of the founding father’s were born in foreign countries? explain “…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…” when you and the OP consider them to rabid xenophobes

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Because otherwise the first President of the US under the Constitution would have had to have been an infant, you blithering idiot. Are you really so dumb that you don’t understand that. They grandfathered themselves in because THEY constructed this nation and because they HAD TO. They created this new, unique, and very different Constitutional Republic that foreigners would not understand and would pervert (as Barky has shown for those too dumb – like you – to understand). Friggin moron.

If you think we are xenophobes then you would consider the Founders horrors. I bet the War of 1812 was a crime against humanity in your mind.

Letter from John Jay to George Washington, 1787:

Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expresly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Don’t have to. If you are too stupid to understand, then no actual statutes would be beneficial. Cannot. The founders of our nation kept the process of the creation of the Constitution of the United States of America secret and no notes were taken in those secret meetings except for the final draft. But if you seriously believe they meant people like Ted Cruz, Obama or any anchor baby, then you have no love of the nation.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Don’t have to. If you are too stupid to understand, then no actual statutes would be beneficial. Cannot. The founders of our nation kept the process of the creation of the Constitution of the United States of America secret and no notes were taken in those secret meetings except for the final draft. But if you seriously believe they meant people like Ted Cruz, Obama or any anchor baby, then you have no love of the nation.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM

nice cop out. as usual your full of crap.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM

dude, go back to the shallow end.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Hey, douchebag, without the proviso in the clause for citizens “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”, how old would the first President under the Constitution have to have been? Answer your own idiotic question for us, please. Then STFU.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Hey, douchebag, without the proviso in the clause for citizens “at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”, how old would the first President under the Constitution have to have been? Answer your own idiotic question for us, please. Then STFU.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

you dont know what the points being made are. you stepped in un-invited and made a fool of yourself. the founders could have gone many ways w/ that clause. they couldve restricted the presidency to those born on american soil. they didnt. that was the point you clueless idiot.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM

you dont know what the points being made are. you stepped in un-invited and made a fool of yourself. the founders could have gone many ways w/ that clause. they couldve restricted the presidency to those born on american soil. they didnt. that was the point you clueless idiot.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Answer the question, douchebag. ALso answer why you think the Founders should have not grandfathered themselves in, since they created this unique governmental architecture and understood it better than anyone. Also address John Jay’s letter, moron.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

i’m sure this wont prevent more stupidity from you but this started w/ this post

1andyman on August 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM

and this one

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:06 AM

if the founders were really so concerned w/ an alien born person being president that clause wouldve been written differently. now, go away and bother someone else.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

you stepped in un-invited

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM

You’re posting comments on a blog, you fool. There is no “inviting in”. No wonder you don’t understand d!ck about the Constitution.

“uninvited” … LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:02 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

awfully demanding arent we?? i have no need to answer jay’s letter. it has no bearing on cruz. he is a citizen by virtue of his birth.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM

if the founders were really so concerned w/ an alien born person being president

Address the John Jay letter. Stop being an azz. I know it’s against your nature, but try acting like a human for a second.

that clause wouldve been written differently.

Even people born on American soil had no special appreciation of the new, unique creation of our Constitutional Republic and the general government architecture since it was just invented by the Founders and bore no relation to any other governmental architectures. Only the Founders really understood how it was designed and only those who grew up in it would get it after the Founders were gone (as no one else in the world really understands the American governmental architecture to this day).

now, go away and bother someone else.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:06 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:06 PM

that’s it?? it’s all too “meta” to explain?? you are so off base. but still, cruz is natural born citizen, nothing changes that.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM

nice cop out. as usual your full of crap.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Prove it. Show me the minutes of the meetings of the founders during the Constitutional Convention. The ones where they went into to circumvent the states finding out they were writing a brand new constitution rather than fixing the old government.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM

awfully demanding arent we??
chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You are. And not very forthcoming when challenged to reveal an even lessor degree of information on your position.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM

He’s more of a citizen than the liberals, since he actually believes in and will support the Constitution. That needs to be the sniff test…current admin is a freakin’ Constitution destroyer.

kirkill on August 20, 2013 at 12:18 PM

He’s more of a citizen than the liberals, since he actually believes in and will support the Constitution. That needs to be the sniff test…current admin is a freakin’ Constitution destroyer.

kirkill on August 20, 2013 at 12:18 PM

nothing like creating back doors to tyranny in support of the constitution.
If he really supported the Constitution, then he would push for the Supreme Court to make its constitutional finding on its definition instead of trying to undermine the definition.
That is, if he runs. The undermining part that is. He could still demand the supreme court to make a finding on the definition even without running.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM

But I don’t see the logic in having his spokesman then deny that he’s a dual American-Canadian citizen by birth, as he almost certainly is under Canadian law.

Does no one listen to RWM anymore? How many times does she have to say it: the Canadian birthright citizenship was not in effect at the time of Cruz’s birth!

Nutstuyu on August 20, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I wouldn’t mind President Cruz taking over the Western Provinces. Quebec, cut loose.

rbj on August 19, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Albertans already think of themselves as one of the 57 states anyway.

Nutstuyu on August 20, 2013 at 12:57 PM

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Ok, I see you know that people don’t like child haters.

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

If he really supported the Constitution

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The irony to that statement, is that Cruz has more knowledge, and a better understanding of the Constitution than anyone who has commented on this topic.

HarryBackside on August 20, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Run-Ted-Run!

CRUZ 2016!

Pork-Chop on August 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Alberta_Patriot on August 19, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Greetings cousin! I’m not Canadian, but spend so much time working in Edmonton that I’m probably no longer eligible for Prez either.

Nutstuyu on August 20, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Oh, Wow!
They found classmates of Cruz at Princeton.
Strange that they could never find classmates of the President at Columbia, or Harvard; or his grades.

Another Drew on August 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

MMMM,

He’s Canadian.
He’s American.
He has a name that would fit well with Mexico.

Sounds like he’d be a great transition figure for the North American Union or whatever those NAFTA proponents call it now.

Oh wait, he’s not pro-choice?

Huh? he’s not a Progressive Democrat?

Is he transgender?

Is he backed by Sharpton?

MMMM, nevermind that would never gain the favor of the media so we can’t nominate him.

NEXT!!

PappyD61 on August 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I’ll mea culpa on the birther issue.
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/08/20/ted-cruz-ally-rand-pauls-team-raising-questions-in-iowa-about-cruzs-eligibility/comment-page-2/#comment-2431552
Then again, this nation really does deserve to perish.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Please tell me Cruz isn’t the candidate of choice this go around.

I love Cruz but I want a coalition.

Scott Walker or bust.

Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

So, in the very strictest possible definition of “natural-born Citizen” we would have a child born on US soil to two US citizen parents. *Two* US citizen parents. OR, yes, to two parents who were naturalized to the US prior to the birth of the child. These people who believe this strict interpretation are ridiculed as “Birthers”.

Then there are the “native” born citizens. For example, simply being born on US soil regardless of parents citizenship (a-la the 14th amendment)or the parents home countries possible claim on their children. Dual nationality exists in many of those situations. Then there is this Cruz situation, born a foreigner in a foreign country but with US dual nationality through one US parent.

Lots of people who have never even heard of Article ll before Obama and Cruz “feel” that these citizens should be “included” as natural-born Citizens.

Is the term restrictive, or all-inclusive?

Many people think there is no distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural-born citizen”. However, if you see the evolution our Constitution went through regarding this particular requirement, you understand that a distinction does indeed apply. A blogger put up a short and easy to understand post about it. Just a couple of screenshots from old publications of records of the convention when our Constitution was being written. Super easy to understand, and very quick to look over:
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/i-stand-corrected

GrandeMe on August 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM

awfully demanding arent we?? i have no need to answer jay’s letter. it has no bearing on cruz. he is a citizen by virtue of his birth.

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I think we all agree that Cruz is a citizen…that does not mean he is a nbC.

1andyman on August 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM

It won’t be an issue in the general election.
Allahpundit on August 20, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I’m afraid this is very wrong. It will be the lodestar issue. Not in the sense of debate, analysis and resolution as an “issue.” But in the Alinskyite sense as a scaffolding for manufacturing alternative Narratives and “issues.” It’s the Left’s game.

No one has to and probably ever will actually question his eligibility. But everywhere Cruz goes the discussion will be about he’s “handling the issue” of his eligibility. Along the lines of the following:

“Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz again dodged questions today about his eligibility…”

“Ted Cruz, speaking in ______ today, once more was confronted with questions about his eligibility to run…”

“Ted Cruz’s aides today lashed out at reporters for raising the issue of how he’s handling his questions about his eligibility…”

“Showing increasing irritation with an issue that simply won’t go away, Ted Cruz…”

“I’m sure Ted Cruz wishes the issue fo his eligibility would go away…”

It’s what they did to Palin with “Troopergate.” There was no such thing as “Troopergate.” It didn’t matter to the Left. We keep thinking of the Left in our frame of reference.

rrpjr on August 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Clearly, if someone was born by C-sectio, they are not a natural born citizen. /s

boone on August 20, 2013 at 2:54 PM

It was only valid until the last of the founders (all the citizens of the states) of the nation died. After that, you had to be a Natural Born Citizen.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM

So then you have to answer a very simple question.

Is Ted Cruz a citizen of the United States?

Careful. Based on your definitions, it’s a trick question. Let me explain.

If you tell me Cruz is not a citizen, then you need to explain why he’s in the US senate. How could a citizen of Canada possibly get elected in Texas to the US senate? Wouldn’t that be unconstitutional? How many times has a citizen of a foreign nation ever been elected to the US senate?

If you tell me Cruz is a citizen, you need to explain why he has never had to go through any naturalization process. After all, if he hasn’t been naturalized but he is still a citizen, then he must be the only other kind in existence….i.e. a natural born citizen. I’ll await your answer with baited breath.

runawayyyy on August 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I think we all agree that Cruz is a citizen…that does not mean he is a nbC.

1andyman on August 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Same question. Outline for me the naturalization process Cruz went through to gain his citizenship please. Be very specific. It would probably help if you have references that show him going through the process and when it happened.

See, because if you don’t have any such information, if in fact you are forced to admit he never went through any such process, then there is only one logical conclusion to your statement about his current status.

He’s a natural born citizen.

runawayyyy on August 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Ok, I see you know that people don’t like child haters.

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Oh, NOW you like children? Good to hear!

Maddie on August 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I think we all agree that Cruz is a citizen…that does not mean he is a nbC.

1andyman on August 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Then what kind of citizen is he? He’s not a naturalized citizen, so what’s the other option?

HarryBackside on August 20, 2013 at 3:11 PM

you stepped in un-invited

chasdal on August 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM

You’re posting comments on a blog, you fool. There is no “inviting in”. No wonder you don’t understand d!ck about the Constitution.

“uninvited” … LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 12:02 PM

This made me laugh out loud. ; )

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Ted Cruz was never a Canadian citizen for one, simple reason: Canadian birthright citizenship was established in Section 3(1)(a) of the Citizenship Act. It states that:

3. (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen if

(a) the person was born in Canada after February 14, 1977;

Ted Cruz was born on 22 December 1970…long before birthright citizenship was established in Canada.

Cruz’s mother was an American. His father was Cuban, but was a legal, permanent resident of the United States. The couple had gone to Canada to work on a job assignment in the oil business. They returned to the US forever with Ted, who was aged of 4.

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I thought Cruz was just tweaking the media by releasing his BC, but it turns out he was led by them and was not prepared for the onslaught.

faraway on August 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I think he was, and he and his aides ‘are’ ready … but not with the expected objective in mind …

rrpjr on August 20, 2013 at 2:45 PM

yes, but I think Cruz is drawing media fire for a reason, at the present time.

It *is* the exact type of reaction to Sarah Palin, sometimes referred to as ‘Palin Derangement Syndrome’, and we now have CDS = ‘Cruz Derangement Syndrome’ bursting into the open.

Could *anyone* not anticipate this furore developing when he casually tossed his birth certificate grenade, and took over the media cycle? (especially in the new media)

…and the Cruz aides are playing their role …

There is the exact reaction, from both private political parties (via their Media arm) to ANY kind of hint that a Real Conservative Deal Candidate *could* run for POTUS.

Notice there has not been such a reaction to Rand or Walker exploring in IA ….

but Palin and Cruz ALONE have the power to fully activate the dominant Conservative Electorate, UNIFY all conservative factions and bring Reagan-type landslides.

The Private Political Parties know that they do not have the ability to take down a Real Deal Ticket (meaning rhetoric matching record consistently), even with their Media and Fraud to help – they learned their lesson in the 1980s and their agenda was set back during the Reagan years.

IMV, Cruz (not acting alone either) has initiated this media frenzy, at this time, for a reason. He has lit a blazing fire ‘over here’ because something else is in the pipeline to develop ‘over there’ and it would be good if it can remain under the radar for as long as possible …

We’ll see …

exodus2011 on August 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

appendix to above post

exodus2011 on August 20, 2013 at 3:43 PM

IMV, Cruz (not acting alone either) has initiated this media frenzy, at this time, for a reason. He has lit a blazing fire ‘over here’ because something else is in the pipeline to develop ‘over there’ and it would be good if it can remain under the radar for as long as possible …

or …

Cruz et al *want* this issue to be raging in the public arena ‘when’ what is developing in the pipeline becomes visible …

we’ll see

exodus2011 on August 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Ted Cruz was never a Canadian citizen for one, simple reason: Canadian birthright citizenship was established in Section 3(1)(a) of the Citizenship Act. It states that:

3. (1) Subject to this Act, a person is a citizen if

(a) the person was born in Canada after February 14, 1977;

Ted Cruz was born on 22 December 1970…long before birthright citizenship was established in Canada.

Cruz’s mother was an American. His father was Cuban, but was a legal, permanent resident of the United States. The couple had gone to Canada to work on a job assignment in the oil business. They returned to the US forever with Ted, who was aged of 4.

Resist We Much on August 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Eh, it does not seem to matter. You were right, to an extent, pretty much anyone can be president of the United States of America. The only mistake you have is that you are wrong that Anchor babies are not included in the natural born citizen clause. It fully is. Anyone, with the microscopic children born to people with diplomatic immunity, anyone at all born physically in the United States of America can be President.

http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/21/on-this-natural-born-citizen-issue-part-i-from-alexander-hamilton-to-lynch-v-clarke/

If that is correct, which it seems it is. Any foreign nation can plant an anchor baby or tens of thousands with our porous borders every year and eventually get lucky one day with enough resources to install their own personal Puppet President.

This nation is not worth saving, and quite frankly never was. If it was ever worth saving, it was only because the AVERAGE American Citizen was more moral than immoral.

I am sorry for attacking you and your views. You were right, and I was wrong. May you and people like you enjoy the shit hole this nation is quickly becoming, at the behest of the Founding Fathers! no less.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Anyone, with exception to the microscopic number of children born to people with diplomatic immunity, anyone at all born physically in the United States of America can be President.
astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 5:28 PM

oops did not complete my thought.

astonerii on August 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

He’s gone

jake-the-goose on August 20, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Go away, birthers!

bluegill on August 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Spoken like a true liberal-tarian tenderfoot.

Difference between our side and theirs…. they won’t back off or get weak or go on defense ,i.e, screaming, “we’re not birfers, conspiracy nuts , extreme,” etc.

cableguy615 on August 20, 2013 at 7:22 PM

So, let me get this straight… We’re supposed to worry about Cruz having divided loyalties because his father was a Cuban, but we’re not supposed to worry about Barry Soetoro having divided loyalties because his father was a Kenyan and he was raised as a Muslim in Jakarta, Indonesia?

Colony14 on August 20, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The point of the “grandfather clause” in the U.S. Constitution (“…or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…”) is that neither George Washington nor anyone else was a natural born citizen age 35 or older in 1789! Washington was, of course, born on U.S. soil (Virginia), but was not born to two U.S. citizen parents because that was then impossible. Thus, the grandfather clause – which makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL if natural born citizen means nothing more than born on U.S soil!

Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born citizen. Nor is Marco Rubio. Nor is Bobby Jindal. Nor is Obama:

On the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1862, Congressman John Bingham—the “father of the 14th Amendment”—stated, “All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.”

In 1866 Bingham stated, “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” Bingham’s definition was never disputed by other Congressmen.

Note that Obama supporters — including attorneys filing briefs with the U.S. Supreme Court — have omitted the words “of parents” when quoting Bingham’s statement, in a shameful and intentional effort to mislead. (Why must they mislead if birth on U.S. soil is sufficient?)

Colony14 on August 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Scott Walker or bust.
Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Listen, Princess.

Scott Walker is a big supporter of illegal alien amnesty, and he is a NO GO for the national ticket.

Please keep your pro-amnesty Paul Ryans, Reince Priebuses, and Scott Walkers where they are.

Like Reince, Walker believes in punishing Republicans who oppose amnesty in blunt terms:
http://www.alipac.us/content/wisconsin-official-fired-comparing-immigrants-satan-2164/

I’ll take a patriot like Cruz any day over pro-amnesty, Jeb Bush-promoting politicians like Scott Walker.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born citizen. Nor is Marco Rubio. Nor is Bobby Jindal. Nor is Obama:
Colony14 on August 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I feel embarrassed for HotAir since the site has quite a few stupid, fringey birthers as readers.

Ugh.

Hopefully people like Colony14 are in the minority.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Trust me all of HA including the mods I suspect are embarrassed by your presence. We are all dumber because of it. Keep telling folks here how to think, how to speak, what to do etc. you will forever be disliked here and never have a place in The HA familily. Well other than the batshit crazy red headed stepchild. Stop to consider. You are one of three commenters here that folks reel back away from when you agree with them. You are that disliked by that much by a majority. Nice set of social skills. Lolz!!!

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

If you agree with bluegill, I’m gonna have to stare at you funny.

Midwestprincesse on August 20, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Don’t be so mean to Midwestprincesse.

Yes, she is pushing a pro-amnesty candidate, but she probably didn’t even know his position.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Thank goodness we are dealing with this my garbage now and not later.

bluegill on August 20, 2013

…I just missed yah!…when are you leaving?

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Look, I consider this site to be one of the best, most thoughtful and worthwhile conservative blogs. AP, in particular, is a unique talent.

So, it pains me a bit to see Alex Jones-style birther types populate some of the comment sections. But I guess political blogs attract all types.

I think I need to learn to just laugh them off.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

…”sweetheart”….I just missed you again!…I’m trying to catch you and clean the crap off your face! (:->)

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Nuttier than fruitcakes.

There are two kinds of citizens: naturalized, and natural born. If you are born to a US citizen outside of the country, you are a natural born citizen. Either, or. That’s all.

All these other assertions of definition are nothing beyond the ravings of paranoid fools. There is no basis in law for their claims at all. NONE.

Adjoran on August 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM

All these other assertions of definition are nothing beyond the ravings of paranoid fools. There is no basis in law for their claims at all. NONE.
Adjoran on August 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Exactly right.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 11:45 PM

An MSNBC host gives his take on our wonderful Ted Cruz:

http://youtu.be/KuJtwaAnR4U

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 7:15 AM

“I will admit, I find the tizzy in the media a little bit amusing.”

It is not a tizzy, it is another of the many smear campaigns run by the media for the Democrats. Do not respond graciously or with humor. Respond with indignation, so we can express ours in support. We need candidates who hate the corrupt media as much as we do. If you want to “get along with them” then you are a fool and should go hold hands with Juan McLame, and let the serious men vie for the nomination.

drunyan8315 on August 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM

It is not a tizzy, it is another of the many smear campaigns run by the media for the Democrats. Do not respond graciously or with humor. Respond with indignation, so we can express ours in support. We need candidates who hate the corrupt media as much as we do. If you want to “get along with them” then you are a fool and should go hold hands with Juan McLame, and let the serious men vie for the nomination.
drunyan8315 on August 21, 2013 at 9:04 AM

I agree that it’s a smear campaign. No question. We will be hearing nonstop Canadian references when Cruz’s name is mentioned. The purpose is to raise doubts, even if they have to be dishonest about it.

But shouldn’t he avoid coming off like a whiner? Shouldn’t humor be used whenever possible when responding?

Anyway, I know he is VERY capable of responding with indignation and in a fiery way.

bluegill on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 AM

In other news from a bored, Cruz-hating media, some of his liberal classmates at Princeton didn’t like him.

But they knew him.

eaglephin on August 21, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Ted Cruz: I’m not going to get into a legal debate about whether I’m also a Canadian citizen

That’s okay Mr. Cruz. There are plenty of others willing to do that for you.

rukiddingme on August 21, 2013 at 1:50 PM

of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty,

Parents owing allegiance to another sovereignty are diplomats, enemy occupiers, and of course, Indians.

parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is

one that is not a diplomat, or an enemy occupier, or an Indian.

rukiddingme on August 21, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Seriously?! The Liberals who demanded Obama’s past, where he was born, and anything he ever did simply did not matter back in 2008 are turning into Liberal ‘Birthers’ now because of their complete fear of Cruz?! LOL….priceless!

easyt65 on August 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Nuttier than fruitcakes.

Adjoran on August 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Exactly right.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I think I need to learn to just laugh them off.

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM

We do you. Lolz!

Bmore on August 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It’s the death knell for Article ll. Politicians tried over and over to amend it with no luck – so now they are just using the standard communist tactic. They elected a black guy with “questions” about his eligibility which no one wanted to investigate, to do so means you are racist/Birther. Then they spend the past 6 years shaping the opinion of what a natural born citizen is. They spend 6 years picking on people who simply want a definition of the term of Art found in our Constitution until those people get tired, or feel embarrassed or believe that there is no real answer out there in our history books. They use their online trolls to “nudge” us, and politicians to mock and abuse us for our honest concerns.

I think she has something there.

Besides, are you trying to tell me that Cruz, a Senator, and attorney, does “not know” if he is a citizen of the country he was born in? Really?

GrandeMe on August 21, 2013 at 5:48 PM

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