Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Glenn Greenwald’s partner David Miranda was on his way home to Brazil on Sunday when UK officials, citing a controversial terrorism law, detained him for 9 hours at London’s Heathrow airport. The Guardian’s report explains that Miranda was held for the maximum amount of time allowed by law under a provision, applicable only to airports and other border areas, that permits authorities to detain, search, and question individuals. During that time, according to Greenwald, Miranda was question about the Guardian’s reports on NSA data collection from whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Officials took Miranda’s laptop, camera, memory sticks, game consoles, and DVDs before letting him go without charge. The Guardian reports that the paper is “urgently” seeking clarification from British officials on the reason for Miranda’s detainment.

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According to a document published by the UK government about Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, “fewer than 3 people in every 10,000 are examined as they pass through UK borders” (David was not entering the UK but only transiting through to Rio). Moreover, “most examinations, over 97%, last under an hour.” An appendix to that document states that only .06% of all people detained are kept for more than 6 hours.

The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used “to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.”

But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop “the terrorists”, and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.

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The journalist who first published secrets leaked by fugitive former U.S. intelligence agency contractor Edward Snowden vowed on Monday to publish more documents and said Britain will “regret” detaining his partner for nine hours…

“I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England, too. I have many documents on England’s spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did,” Greenwald, speaking in Portuguese, told reporters at Rio de Janeiro’s airport where he met [David] Miranda upon his return to Brazil.

Greenwald said in a subsequent email to Reuters that the Portuguese word “arrepender” should have been translated as “come to regret” not “be sorry for.”

“I was asked what the outcome would be for the UK, and I said they’d come to regret this because of the world reaction, how it made them look, and how it will embolden me – not that I would start publishing documents as punishment or revenge that I wouldn’t otherwise have published,” he said in the email.

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A little over two months ago I was contacted by a very senior government official claiming to represent the views of the prime minister. There followed two meetings in which he demanded the return or destruction of all the material we were working on. The tone was steely, if cordial, but there was an implicit threat that others within government and Whitehall favoured a far more draconian approach…

During one of these meetings I asked directly whether the government would move to close down the Guardian’s reporting through a legal route – by going to court to force the surrender of the material on which we were working. The official confirmed that, in the absence of handover or destruction, this was indeed the government’s intention. Prior restraint, near impossible in the US, was now explicitly and imminently on the table in the UK. But my experience over WikiLeaks – the thumb drive and the first amendment – had already prepared me for this moment. I explained to the man from Whitehall about the nature of international collaborations and the way in which, these days, media organisations could take advantage of the most permissive legal environments. Bluntly, we did not have to do our reporting from London. Already most of the NSA stories were being reported and edited out of New York. And had it occurred to him that Greenwald lived in Brazil?

The man was unmoved. And so one of the more bizarre moments in the Guardian’s long history occurred – with two GCHQ security experts overseeing the destruction of hard drives in the Guardian’s basement just to make sure there was nothing in the mangled bits of metal which could possibly be of any interest to passing Chinese agents. “We can call off the black helicopters,” joked one as we swept up the remains of a MacBook Pro.

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One U.S. security official told Reuters that one of the main purposes of the British government’s detention and questioning of Miranda was to send a message to recipients of Snowden’s materials, including the Guardian, that the British government was serious about trying to shut down the leaks

During Miranda’s trip to Berlin, which the Guardian said it had paid for, he visited with Laura Poitras, an independent film-maker who was the first journalist to interact with Snowden. Poitras co-authored stories based on Snowden’s material for the Washington Post and the German magazine Der Spiegel.

Greenwald told the New York Times that Miranda went to Berlin to deliver materials downloaded by Snowden to Poitras and to acquire from Poitras a different set of materials for delivery to Greenwald, who lives with Miranda near Rio de Janeiro.

Greenwald said British authorities seized all electronic media, including data memory sticks, which Miranda was carrying. But Greenwald told the Forbes website that “everything” Miranda had “was heavily encrypted.”

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Step one in this should be making sure the record is correct. It is false that Miranda was denied a lawyer — he refused a lawyer, which is a crucial detail. Far from being evidence of tyranny out of control, as Greenwald wants to argue, this suggests the British authorities were trying to provide his representation as the law allows, and he refused. That isn’t the UK’s fault, it is Miranda’s. Then there’s this:

“They treated me like I was a criminal or someone about to attack the UK … It was exhausting and frustrating, but I knew I wasn’t doing anything wrong.”

I wonder why the UK would think he was about to attack them? After the first round of leaks, which included substantial details of UK espionage operations, Greenwald said “The U.S. government should be on its knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.” And in fact, just this morning, he vowed that he would make the UK “sorry” for having questioned his partner.

So yeah: that’s totally unreasonable, I guess. Miranda mentions that he gave authorities the password to his computer, which might explain why he was detained for so long, if they were then searching for any evidence that he was carrying top secret documents with him. The Guardian, in this story, reports that he was ferrying documents for Greenwald and Poitras — a key detail omitted from earlier coverage.

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“Because: journalism” is not a sufficient response. I don’t like how the Guardian put Miranda on its payroll, turning him into a courier of sorts and conferring on him the patina of the legal and traditional protections afforded to journalists. That’s sloppy tradecraft and it’s cruel to Miranda. Doing journalism makes you a journalist. As Joshua Foust points out, the transitive property does not apply. (I am not a corporate strategy consultant, and I would not be one if my spouse’s company suddenly paid for me to fly stolen documents to my husband somewhere.)

Greenwald is doing real journalism. If extra protections are afforded, they are afforded to him. If extra scrutiny is warranted, he should get it. I know the Snowden case is a boundary case, that it is of an echelon that other leak cases are not and that there are real first amendment equities involved. I also know that the government takes leaks of this magnitude — and considers the totality of what’s been leaked and what precedents it sets, not just the stuff we like (the U.S. stuff), but everything — terribly seriously. As all governments do, and have done, and will do. A separation between spouse and source is a foundational principle of how reporters approach complicated stories involving secrets and classified information. IF you do choose to involve your spouse, or you and your spouse work together, then you cannot reasonably complain that your partner was harassed for no reason whatsoever. Decisions have consequences.

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Regardless, the way this story was reported only served to perpetuate the trend of journalistic smoke-and-mirrors employed by The Guardian and others — the vagueness and disingenuousness that feeds the roiling incredulity about all of this.

Additionally, the optics of the whole thing are unfortunate. By detaining Miranda to the very limit of the law, the U.K. only dumped a tanker truck of fuel onto the massive bonfire of outrage — it exacerbated the increasingly irrational freakout among civil libertarian activists and Greenwald acolytes. The use of the Terrorism Act won’t help either. Among other things, it serves to augment the hyper-paranoid conspiracy theory that the government might assassinate Greenwald or Snowden or both. Miranda was treated like a terrorist; the government kills terrorists with drones; ergo, well, you know. Thanks, U.K.

That said, Miranda was transporting volumes of stolen classified documents between two prime movers associated with one of the biggest stories of the Summer — a story that’s embarrassed both the United States and the United Kingdom. He was being paid to do it. Anyone who expected a smooth journey through an international airport without any security issues was lying to themselves.

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This reminds me of when the New Yorker’s John Cassidy said “I’m with Snowden,” and demanded journalists answer, “Which side are you on?”

Just as then, being on the side of the truth is, apparently, not an option here — the world is not a series of complex events, but a simplified bifurcation into “us” and “them,” and “them” always must be vilified as your enemy. I expect this sort of manicheanism from Beltway partisan rags, but not from high-brow magazines and ostensibly professional journalists… but that is, apparently, naive of me.

This is the sort of story that hits close to home. It can be deeply worrying when a loved one gets wrapped up in a project you’re working on — like a John Grisham novel or something. But the specifics here, especially how Greenwald and his employer deliberately involved said family member, also matter deeply to why it played out the way it did. That so many commentators not only cannot recognize that (the depressing majority of journalists commenting on this incident did not acknowledge such exculpatory information), but actively make comparisons to genuinely horrific police states or organized criminals that murder their own citizens (another common trope of Greenwald’s hyperbolic rhetoric about the U.S.), should matter.

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I cannot decide if I am more annoyed at the Washington Post or more annoyed at the Obama administration for the way this latest cache of Snowden-leaked NSA documents is playing. I have now gone through the documents with some care, and I find both the Post‘s formulation of the story and the administration’s response to the leak mind-boggling…

There are also a fair number of database query errors—that is, typos, confusions of boolean terms like “and” and “or,” syntax errors, and the like. You know . . . mistakes. These mistakes are caught through a combination of automated checking, auditing, and self-reporting. In other words, the fewer than 3,000 incidents reported over the year in question involve the NSA’s own systems—and people—catching and correcting technical errors.

Even the section entitled “Significant Incidents of Non-compliance” (pp. 11-13) does not detail anything like any intentional violation of the privacy rights of Americans…

In other words, what this document shows is that among the billions and billions of communications the NSA interacts with every year, it has certain low rate of technical errors, many of them unavoidable, which it dutifully records and counts.

As we used to say in grade school, big whoop. Or rather, it is a big whoop—just for the opposite reason than the Post‘s story suggests.

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The White House said Monday that President Obama stood by his remark to comedian Jay Leno that “there is no spying on Americans,” despite a report in The Washington Post last week revealing that the National Security Agency violated its own privacy rules on thousands of occasions.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the story, based on an internal audit obtained by former Defense contractor Edward Snowden, in fact revealed “there is in place at the NSA a very strict oversight regime.”…

“Understanding the facts of this complicated policy is important,” Earnest said.

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Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Good night my friend.

KCB on August 20, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Scrumpy on August 20, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I am delighted to hear that you love your apartment, Scrumpy.:)

I’m not so delighted to hear that you over did it. I specifically asked you to be careful and take it easy.

You know we love you, too, Spritely One. :)

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Good Night Electrongod, Be Well My Friend.

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

EG……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYtpTot7hQ

Solaratov on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Roger that Jackie!!

Glad I peeked back, always some last word to think about!!

Nite everyone :)

Scrumpy on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Year of the Cat

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on August 20, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Evening Dire. You may want to read this thread form the beginning. : (

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I am going to sign off for now..
(tired)

I was hesitant to mention my loss…
I wasn’t sure if it was the right thing to do here..

I am glad I did..

Thank you all..

Take care…

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

You take care, my friend. And may God Bless.

TXUS on August 20, 2013 at 1:10 AM

form=from

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

TXUS on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I didn’t say it was always easy. I think first we have to feel that people aren’t disposable…then work to make that love easier… and always better. :)

Good evening, TXUS.

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Good night EG. Thinking of you and wishing you and your daughter strength.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Goodnight, EG. Sleep well.:)

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

I Shall Be Released – Cocker

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

“OCD”

williamg on August 20, 2013 at 1:12 AM

CDO.

It’s like OCD, but in the correct order. :)

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I’m going to try to love harder.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 12:56 AM

With no room in your heart for hate, you will need not try harder, love will consume.

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

You set the term of counseling Magistrate.

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Here they are – Scrumpy and Axe agree to their own.

Spark can relate how it’ll go, after the first 5 sessions.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:16 AM

With no room in your heart for hate, you will need not try harder, love will consume.

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:15 AM

So much –

Stripped. I can’t say. :) Inappropriate for tonight. But . . . anyway, life is frustrating.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Good Night All.

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Agreed, on condition that the counseling is a dual, concerted, effort performed concurrently…to insure balance.

I like the progress report after five weeks. Excellent. :)

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:1

Beg your pardon… five sessions.

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

I didn’t say it was always easy. I think first we have to feel that people aren’t disposable…then work to make that love easier… and always better. :)

Good evening, TXUS.

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Well said, Jackson. Well said.

So good to see you again, too.

TXUS on August 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

CDO.

It’s like OCD, but in the correct order. :)

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 1:14 AM

: ) ……I’t just so nice knowing that some people here, like you – “get” me…….

williamg on August 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Goodnight, Bmore. I know it’s hard to sleep well with a heavy heart, yet I wish you a good night’s rest. :)

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

TXUS on August 20, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Thank you, TXUS. :) Always a pleasure to spend time with you.

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Crying – Orbison

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Cure for Pain

Good night everyone.

Nite Jackie – sleep/write goodly.

Good Night America.

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:22 AM

I am going to sign off for now..
(tired)

I was hesitant to mention my loss…
I wasn’t sure if it was the right thing to do here..

I am glad I did..

Thank you all..

Take care…

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I’m glad you did, too! :)

2 of my favorites:

Divinyls – “Better Days”

Red Lorry Yellow Lorry – “Heaven”

Heaven
In a lifetime
Heaven in one day
Thinking
Of you only takes me far away
It’s in you heart it’s in your mind it’s in you just the same
And through the clouds we rise above the gray
I’m coming down so push me now and take me up above
I’m coming down so take me all the way
To heaven when I call you
Heaven when I say
Dreaming of a life in Heaven

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 1:23 AM

: ) ……It’s just so nice

williamg on August 20, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Goodnight, my friend. :) Sleep well. See you soon. :)

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:23 AM

The Messiah Will Come Again – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Look after yourselves.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Nite

Schadenfreude on August 20, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Not sure why Electron’s loss would make me cry then make me furious, but . . . there it is. :) I’m worthless tonight. Goodnight everyone.

Later Soph. I’m around and reachable, if you want.

I’m praying for you EG. I’m not sure what else I can do, but I’m here. Truly — real-world “here” — just name it.

Axe on August 20, 2013 at 1:29 AM

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 1:18 AM

I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.
Along with the sunshine,
There’s gotta be a little rain sometimes.
When you take, you gotta give, so live and let live,
Or let go.
I beg your pardon,
I never promised you a rose garden.

I really like my stick. Its like a scepter. I put my magic * ball on the end of it.

SparkPlug on August 20, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Good night EG. There are more things in heaven and earth than can be dreamt.

SparkPlug on August 20, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Shake!

williamg on August 20, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Electrongod on August 19, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I am so sorry..May she Rest in Peace..The world is a lesser place without her..

Dire Straits on August 20, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Sic Semper Tyrannis

MadisonConservative on August 20, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Can’t sleep…started playing some tunes… thought I might as well post them…

Mountain Time – Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Happier Times – Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Dear Mr. Fantasy – Traffic

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 2:48 AM

“Would you rather be up than down, wouldn’t you rather wear a smile than a frown…”

The Sugar Bears – “Happiness Train

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 2:50 AM

*”Wouldn’t you rather be up than down

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 2:52 AM

But Greenwald better be cautious in case the gov’t tries to pull a Hastings on him.

John the Libertarian on August 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Another suspicious death that is being ho-hummed by everyone from the LSM to the GOP. We have more important things to worry about. “Are you ready for some foooooootball!” Yeah, Baby. Obama’s not the only one fiddling while Rome burns.

It’s either this or nothing.

kim roy on August 19, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Until we get a Republican President.

Vince on August 19, 2013 at 11:59 PM

You’re kidding, right?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

Talking In Your Sleep – Romantics

Back to work…

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 3:01 AM

WTF never thought I’d see da day ga GUBArMINT not only views the citizenry as suspects but treats them as suspects, as well.

Yep…sift’n thru the detritus of your once-private life, the gubRmint will come to its own conclusions ’bout who U R , where you fit’n , and how best to deal wit you when da need arises.

Indeed, we are all becoming data collected in gubRmint files.

Whether or not the spy’n is done for “innocent” reasons, surveillance of all citizens, even the innocent sort, poisons the soul of a nation.

Surveillance limits personal options—denies freedom of choice—and increases the powers of those who are in a position to enjoy the fruits of this activity.

Yep….United States gubRmint is not friendly to freedom.

Frankly, we are long past the point where we should be merely alarmed.

These are no longer experiments on our freedoms. These are acts of aggression.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 20, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Some old pop:

Steve Harley
Come Up and See Me – Make Me Smile

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Are you ready for some foooooootball!”
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

Yes! I am. L.I.B

Dear Mr. Fantasy – Traffic

thatsafactjack on August 20, 2013 at 2:48 AM

++++

BoxHead1 on August 20, 2013 at 3:09 AM

Some old pop:

Steve Harley
Come Up and See Me – Make Me Smile

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 20, 2013 at 3:08 AM

That was better than anything else I’ve heard by him.

Sensational Alex Harvey Band – “Amos Moses” (live)

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Are you ready for some foooooootball!”
Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM

Yes! I am. L.I.B

BoxHead1 on August 20, 2013 at 3:09 AM

Cool. Maybe we’ll be team captains in the FEMA camp.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Cool. Maybe we’ll be team captains in the FEMA camp.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 20, 2013 at 3:44 AM

I get first pick.

BoxHead1 on August 20, 2013 at 3:48 AM

Captain Beyond – “Sufficiently Breathless”

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 4:18 AM

The Outlaws – “Song for You”

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 4:34 AM

Praying for you Electrongod.

Murphy9 on August 20, 2013 at 5:49 AM

Letter from Bjorn Larsen to Diana West on the attempts by anti-intellect and not so ex-communist throwbacks, Horowitz and Radosh to silence her.

Diana -

As a long-time advocate for free speech; long involvement with the International Free Press Society; and as you know, an associate of some of the bravest free speech practitioners in the world, I find the Horowitz/Radosh-led attacks on you to be beneath contempt. For them to pretend to be part of a “freedom” movement (maybe excluding speech?) while acting like school yard bullies, is laughable.

I have read your book American Betrayal, cover to cover – and I found myself deeply shaken, somewhat analogous to the day I finished Atlas Shrugged as a young man, the overall feeling one of serious letdown in my history teachers and ‘why have I never heard this before’? Your sources are there for all to see and your chain of events and conclusions follow them scrupulously. Does that mean that every claim you make and question you raise are necessarily accurate descriptions of the causes of the great historical events? Yet, is this question even important in the raging attacks?

I submit that the facts of your book are not relevant to the personal attacks at hand and your attackers are not remotely interested in your evidence nor your conclusions.

You are being attacked for daring to raise unspeakable questions, questions not to be debated even in so-called “scholarly” circles. You have dared to challenge a set of sacred establishment cows – and more salutes to you! Islam calls this blasphemy, speaking unspeakable things about Mohammed. Clearly we are suffering from our own dark-secret blasphemy conditions, just like you outlined in American Betrayal – but at FrontPage Magazine of all places?

David Horowitz, after removing the initial Tapson (positive) review of American Betrayal and replacing it with Radosh’ (negative) review, has seen fit to write to you: “Our decision to remove the review of American Betrayal was not because it offered an incorrect opinion that we wanted to suppress. The review was removed because the reviewer was as incompetent to provide an informed assessment of your book as you were to write it”.

When he further suggests, in a later FPM editorial, “Diana should not have written this book”, it becomes clear that his objective is to shut you up, not to argue on any evidence. This resembles an Inquisition hearing in old Spain. Horowitz should apologize.

Curious minds have always made progress possible. Denying inconvenient truths by slandering the messenger is an old Communist practice – I reject, along with many others, Horowitz’s attempts at silencing you.

Feel free to publish as you see fit.

Bjorn

VorDaj on August 20, 2013 at 5:56 AM

It was my wife that passed away. Thursday morning.

Electrongod on August 19, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Sincere condolences, EG

a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop “the terrorists”, and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.

Like the NSA-FBI-DoJ spying and attacking opponents of Zero…

dogsoldier on August 20, 2013 at 6:12 AM

so now it’s being reported that the us has secretly cut aid from egypt…what are you afraid of? leadership?

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:18 AM

treating egypt as a coup but won’t actually say the word….say it, say it (ala kinison)

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:19 AM

EG, I’m so sorry for your loss…prayers ascending…

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:20 AM

dear leader runs an ad hoc foreign policy
-morning joe

the mj crew sans eugene robinson are really bashing the president on his egypt boondoggle

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:26 AM

funny, lsm gleefully talks about ‘republican’ governor bob mcdonnell, but its just ‘mayor’ filner from san diego…..

double standards run amok

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

It was my wife that passed away. Thursday morning.
Electrongod on August 19, 2013 at 11:02 PM

I am so sorry. May God hold you in the hollow of His hand.

kingsjester on August 20, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! …and Trolls.

I view Al Jazeera as a very serious journalistic outfit. They have proven to observers around the world that they are serious and objective. They will have to, at a P.R. level, prove to the American public that that is the case. And I think that over time they will succeed at doing that.

– Eliot Spitzer Today’s Blog: “Al Jazeera America: More Anti-American Propaganda Coming Into Our Homes”
My take.

kingsjester on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 AM

kingsjester on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 AM

*shudder*

good one KJ

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM

so now it’s being reported that the us has secretly cut aid from egypt…what are you afraid of? leadership?

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:18 AM

Good morning out there in Cartoonland (formerly known as the USA).

The fun part is that it’s a Democrat who outed/undercut Obama. It must gal the media they can’t say Republicans are playing partisan politics with the news.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on August 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM

they’ll claim it anyways….

morning Liam

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Good morning out there in Cartoonland (formerly known as the USA).

The fun part is that it’s a Democrat who outed/undercut Obama. It must gal the media they can’t say Republicans are playing partisan politics with the news.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Satirist, from this Twitchy thread: It’s the law? Obamacare has missed half of legally imposed deadlines

“The ACA is such a failure that Obama will soon be calling it BushCare”

You know it’s coming!

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM

“The ACA is such a failure that Obama will soon be calling it BushCare”

You know it’s coming!

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM

guaranteed

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM

funny, lsm gleefully talks about ‘republican’ governor bob mcdonnell, but its just ‘mayor’ filner from san diego…..

double standards run amok

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Not a double standard. It was an ‘editorial decision made for sake of brevity, clarity, and accuracy’. /

When Congressman Gary Condit (D-CA) was being investigated for murder, CNN proudly showed a street interview with the band on the screen “Gary Condit (Rep.)”. And they were right — he was a Representative. I saw that myself on TV. They can claim plausible deniability all they want, but we know what the media are up to.

At least MSNBC is honest about their lean on politics.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Satirist, from this Twitchy thread: It’s the law? Obamacare has missed half of legally imposed deadlines

“The ACA is such a failure that Obama will soon be calling it BushCare”

You know it’s coming!

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM

I saw that headline yesterday.

It’s amazing how schizophrenic the Left has become.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:26 AM

guaranteed

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:20 AM

The calls for single-payer are grower louder, aren’t they? I saw that freakshow Dan Savage clamoring for it now, too.

I saw that headline yesterday.

It’s amazing how schizophrenic the Left has become.

Liam on August 20, 2013 at 7:26 AM

The veneer is disintegrating before our eyes…

G/m to you, cmsinaz, and kj. :)

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 7:34 AM

True Liam

Morning AC

cmsinaz on August 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM

EG, if you are here this morning, this is for your dear daughter, a beautiful tribute to you and your wife. It was today’s entry at gratefulness.org. I immediately thought of you, and your daughter.

All the children who are held and loved…will know how to love others. Spread these virtues in the world. Nothing more need be done.
Meng Zi, c. 300 BCE

She will be a continuing source of strength and love for you. Our children surprise us sometimes, don’t they? That she stepped right in and had those bills ready for you, what a remarkable young lady–with remarkable parents.

herm2416 on August 20, 2013 at 7:56 AM

herm2416 on August 20, 2013 at 7:56 AM

I woke up a few minutes ago and glanced at the computer and saw your post…
That’s really nice..
Thanks.

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:01 AM

Thanks all of you…

The funeral is this Friday so I have been finding out how much my wife did around here…

I will keep in touch from time to time..

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

EG, you are welcome. Reading your post last night simply took my breath away. You were very heavy on my mind all night long. You are in my prayers.

herm2416 on August 20, 2013 at 8:06 AM

kingsjester on August 20, 2013 at 6:43 AM

…they’re going to fit right in…with the rest of our media!

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Australia’s Sarah Palin?
http://youtu.be/DuF3FE-h1kY

bluegill on August 20, 2013 at 12:57 AM

….not trolling…just right on topic!

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Thanks all of you…

The funeral is this Friday so I have been finding out how much my wife did around here…

I will keep in touch from time to time..

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

As I said to you earlier, you’re a good guy! :)

Most of us here care about you…

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

….not trolling…just right on topic!

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM

lol

She’s too depraved & stupid to ever admit what an uptight hypocrite she’s been.

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 8:24 AM

I will keep in touch from time to time..

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

…wish I could be there eg…just to be with you.

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Thanks all of you…

The funeral is this Friday so I have been finding out how much my wife did around here…

I will keep in touch from time to time..

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Prayers continue to ascend, my brother. Stay strong and hug your daughter often…

OmahaConservative on August 20, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Electrongod

Bmore on August 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM

As I said to you earlier, you’re a good guy! :)

Most ALL of us here care about you…

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Those who count care all the more, we ARE family here, and EG’s pain is felt by us all…

Rest in Peace Mrs EG, God will hold you close, you are in the Light now, no more sorrow, but Joy!

God Bless YOU Electrongod!

God give you and your Daughter strength during this time of need.
Reach out and He will be there for you!

Scrumpy on August 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Thanks all of you…

The funeral is this Friday so I have been finding out how much my wife did around here…

I will keep in touch from time to time..

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Please do, and know that you are always among friends here. I will continue to keep you, your daughter and family in my prayers. God bless you.

Rest in peace, dear Mrs. EG. God is holding you in the palm of His Hand.

PatriotGal2257 on August 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Those who count care all the more, we ARE family here, and EG’s pain is felt by us all…

Rest in Peace Mrs EG, God will hold you close, you are in the Light now, no more sorrow, but Joy!

God Bless YOU Electrongod!

God give you and your Daughter strength during this time of need.
Reach out and He will be there for you!

Scrumpy on August 20, 2013 at 11:01 AM

I didn’t say “all” because I was thinking about some of the leftards here, as well as some on the Right who are apathetic about others, Scrumpdillyishus! :)

Anti-Control on August 20, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Electrongod on August 20, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I have just finished the thread. OC emailed me so that I wouldn’t miss it. I am so very sorry for your loss. Never has the anonymity of an internet blog seemed so heartless when all we can do is offer you our support in words. They don’t seem nearly enough. But try to imagine them as hugs and prayers and I hope you will feel our true desire to be there and comfort you. You, your daughter and your family are truly in our thoughts and I know I will think and pray often on Friday so God will let you know we are with you.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2013 at 8:37 PM

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