Paul: Gov’t shutdown “not a good idea”

posted at 10:41 am on August 19, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Consider this the middle ground between the defund and delay strategies.  Paul, who started off talking about defunding and government shutdowns, has become more of a pragmatist of late and shifted to a delay strategy.  Paul wants the House to pass a continuing resolution that defunds ObamaCare, but only to get a delay out of the eventual conference committee (via The Corner):

“I don’t think shutting down the government is a good idea,” Paul said on Fox News Sunday.

But, while acknowledging it was unlikely the Senate would pass a continuing resolution defunding Obamacare, Paul called on House Republicans to take advantage of their majority and defund Obamacare in their continuing resolution.

Then, Paul proposed, Republicans could get Democrats to compromise and agree to some changes in conference that would delay and/or weaken Obamacare.

Fox’s Bill Hemmer asked Paul whether he was really trying to have it both ways, and that’s a good question.  Republicans can’t stop the Senate from funding ObamaCare, because they can’t filibuster budget bills.  If the House passed a budget that defunded ObamaCare, the chances of a conference committee keeping that as status quo are nil, as are the chances that a Democrat-controlled Senate would pass it or that Barack Obama would sign it.  Essentially, it’s a legislative stunt that merely delays the budget rather than ObamaCare.  And since it has zero likelihood of success, its leverage approaches the same point.  Besides, most of ObamaCare’s funding is now statutory rather than budgetary anyway, so the effort is nearly moot even if it had a prayer of success, which it doesn’t.

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point.  That way, it won’t be Republicans who hold up the budget, and it will be Democrats who have to explain why delays are good for corporations and insurers, but not for consumers whose private data will be at risk for exposure.


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*Go away. Randulan.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

what? I thought the government was already shutdown? At least as far as following the Constitution goes….

kirkill on August 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Why doesn’t he at least mention the NSA or some other scandal every time he’s on the news?

faraway on August 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I don’t get it. Not 20 years ago, we shut down government for multiple days and the world did not collapse. There was barely a hiccup.

Yet now every member of government is too timid to let it breathe for even a moment, while this “frozen” debt continues to lie to our faces.

MadisonConservative on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point.

Somehow I doubt the Republicans will stick to “delay” either. It’s purely a rhetorical move to try to defuse support for the shutdown push.

Doomberg on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Funny, I thought Congress had the responsibility to control the whole government.

CrazyGene on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Just send bills to the Senate that don’t include funding for OjackassCare.

Why is that shutting down the govt?

On what conservative or libertarian principle would one fund this ugliness?

Akzed on August 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

The two D’s here, “delay” and “defund”, are related.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Yet now every member of government is too timid to let it breathe for even a moment, while this “frozen” debt continues to lie to our faces.

MadisonConservative on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

It has nothing to do with timidity. They don’t want to do a shutdown because they support Obamacare, and a shutdown has a theoretical chance of working by forcing Obama to the negotiating table to get his funding back.

Doomberg on August 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point.

Bad public policy is bad public policy. What does delay of Obamacare do but postpone what is bad public policy? There is nothing to salvage even though the left are unwilling to start over and do it right (which includes reading the bill before voting for it).

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Why doesn’t he at least mention the NSA or some other scandal every time he’s on the news?

faraway on August 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

For Obamacare, each Republican should be pointing out that the IRS is the enforcement agency and they can’t be trusted.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Just send bills to the Senate that don’t include funding for OjackassCare.

Why is that shutting down the govt?

On what conservative or libertarian principle would one fund this ugliness?

Akzed on August 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Because the Partido Republicano Legado wants to replace PlaceboCare Zero with its godfather PlaceboCare Mittens.

Steve Eggleston on August 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Nice to see this Tea Party fueled idea die on the vine, via Tea Party fueled candidates.

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

OT – Sen Paul said a while ago, today “the president fundamentally doesn’t understand the separation of powers in the constitution”…re: the NSA.

Sen. Paul – you are dead wrong – he understands, absolutely he does – he just pees on the constitution.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

For Obamacare, each Republican should be pointing out that the IRS is the enforcement agency and they can’t be trusted.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Defund the 16,000 new IRS agents

faraway on August 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Why do I keep hearing about a government shut down? What has that got to do with defunding Obamacare? We keep letting the media control the narrative and it takes too long to show they are wrong, see sequester.

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM

RINO…RAND IS DEAD TO ME….

I’m voting Hillary….

(Hondav65)

JFKY on August 19, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Nice to see this Tea Party fueled idea die on the vine, via Tea Party fueled candidates.

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I know it’s Monday but can you please think a bit harder?

obama doesn’t want obama’care’. He wants single payers. He wants this to die, then he’ll blame the stupid Rs next year…and Hillary will implement single payer.

The stupid Rs want the same. Wake up America…The ‘Affordable’ ‘Care’ Act, the most in-aptly named idiocy on Earth, is a ploy, from both sides.

The morons in DC need to be Egypted.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I liked how Cruz framed it better.

bluegill on August 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

The situation and what we should do about it made very clear:

http://youtu.be/aCoOqLOu1XE

bluegill on August 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

There is that tepidness again.

nobar on August 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I know it’s Monday but can you please think a bit harder?

obama doesn’t want obama’care’. He wants single payers. He wants this to die, then he’ll blame the stupid Rs next year…and Hillary will implement single payer.

The stupid Rs want the same. Wake up America…The ‘Affordable’ ‘Care’ Act, the most in-aptly named idiocy on Earth, is a ploy, from both sides.

The morons in DC need to be Egypted.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

You are correct the Left doesn’t really like Ocare, they clearly still want single-payer.

I believe Rand’s strategy is actually the correct one; start by getting rid of all the things in Ocare that are bad and currently unworkable(mandates, followed by IRS, insurance minimums and the government IPAB). Once those are gone there really isn’t anything left.

Tater Salad on August 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

That way, it won’t be Republicans who hold up the budget, and it will be Democrats who have to explain why delays are good for corporations and insurers, but not for consumers whose private data will be at risk for exposure.

It won’t matter.

The GOP will get the blame. The media will make sure of it.

Good Lt on August 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Nice to see this Tea Party fueled idea die on the vine, via Tea Party fueled candidates.

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I know it’s Monday but can you please think a bit harder?

obama doesn’t want obama’care’. He wants single payers. He wants this to die, then he’ll blame the stupid Rs next year…and Hillary will implement single payer.

The stupid Rs want the same. Wake up America…The ‘Affordable’ ‘Care’ Act, the most in-aptly named idiocy on Earth, is a ploy, from both sides.

The morons in DC need to be Egypted.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Well that’s a theory.
When do Paul and Obama meet secretly to plan all this?

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point. That way, it won’t be Republicans who hold up the budget, and it will be Democrats who have to explain why delays are good for corporations and insurers, but not for consumers whose private data will be at risk for exposure.

No, it’s better to insist that the entire bill be stalled by every constitutional measure that congress is allowed for the very reasons you give for merely delaying.

If special, unconstitutional exemptions and delays given for corporate interests and insurers by the Obama administration are O.K, then a delay/exemption is good enough for the american people. If we don’t have congressional leaders that can make this simply explained case, than they deserve the blame for their incompetence whether fair or not.

I am disappointed in Mr. Paul.

Vanbasten on August 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Funny, I thought Congress had the responsibility to control the whole government.

CrazyGene on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

funny is not the word i would use. ignorant maybe. congress doesnt control the whole gov’t. they are co-equal branches with checks and balances. congress controls the purse strings but that isnt as absolute as someone would think.

chasdal on August 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

This RINO post by HotAir is nothing but a set of assembled gaseous opinions based upon nothing relating to the true nature and character of our Constitution that sums to pure buncombe.

Besides, most of ObamaCare’s funding is now statutory rather than budgetary anyway, so the effort is nearly moot even if it had a prayer of success, which it doesn’t.

There is no provision in the Constitution allowing the federal government to fund a program like the PPACA. So statutory or budgetary doesn’t matter anyway because its an unconstitutional mess and a law that was never really a “constitutional” law. It should be nullified, a principle shared by not only Jefferson and Madison in the Kentucky and Virginia resolutions of 1798 but by expert commentaries on the Constitution written by St George Tucker, John Taylor of Caroline, William Rawle, and Able Upshur.

The fact that jurist John Roberts nominated by Bush changed his opinion on the PPACA at the last minute, rewrote the PPACA law and amended the Constitution all by his insidious-insider-self matters not to the truth of the situation.

As conservative journalist and author Diana West comments in her new book “American Betrayal:”

“How is it that both parties mostly support” (perhaps selectively more intensely in our past) “major Marxian principles like, a graduated income tax, a death tax, government school indoctrination centers, debauching our currency, wealth redistribution directed by a few elites, state-control of medicine, etc., etc?
Suggesting something that is true, for example, that nationalized health care had “Bolshevik” origins was and is, even for most republicans, ridiculous, with odious scents of lurking conspiracy theories, red-baiting, or just plain “looney tunes.” Would anyone speak up – even a conservative republican politician? Nationalized health care, along with banks, the insurance industry, and means of communication were the first areas taken over by the Bolsheviks. But no. It is always no. Any such rejoinder, such logical conclusions from the conservative side, the side left to defend the republic as founded, come few and far between. At almost every challenge, the bastions of tradition run up the white flag. It’s almost as if they’ve been neutralized, neutered even, as though there were nothing left on the inside. Could it be that emptiness, that reluctance to stand on and defend good time-tested traditions and institutions, a shaky hold on principle, a failure to draw conclusions and make judgements, are the real legacy of the “American Century?” If so, who really won the “Cold War” and all the hot wars of the past century?”

What we really need is for people in the various states to move out on something like Mark Levin’s, Liberty Amendments!

Falcon46 on August 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Disappointing. These are the times that try men’s souls and all we have are soda-cracker and weak-tea compromisers.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

The situation and what we should do about it made very clear:

http://youtu.be/aCoOqLOu1XE

bluegill on August 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Uncovincing blabbering on. Predictible…he’s attacking Obama…no policy ideas…or offering anything other than ‘stop’ and ‘no’.
Which left me with this question:
What’s up with the sideburns on the guy on Cruz’s left?

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Again, I pat myself on the back for predicting this weeks ago. Defund was always a bargaining ploy to get to delay.

Chris of Rights on August 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I saw Paul on the Daily Show a while ago. He couldn’t stop talking about his good-hearted and well-intentioned liberal friends. “They mean well,” he kept insisting. It was beyond lip service, it sounded more like an article of faith. This is my problem with libertarians and my single greatest reservation about Paul, i.e., the seeming mental block about the nature of the Left.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

House Republicans need to finally get on the ball and wield the Constitutional power that Body has. To blazes with Obama, Reid, McCain, and the media. And the Pubs need to be smart about it, lest the RNC cost the party the House and Senate elections next year.

As for a ‘shutdown’ of the government, no such thing truly happened last time and it won’t this time, either. The military will still get paid (unless Obama gets spiteful and tries holding that up), Congresscritters and their staffs will still get paid, Social Security checks will still go out, and entitlement cards will get the monthly recharging of their accounts. So any ‘pain’ will be mere propaganda by the media and other Dems.

Realistically, too — if government did ‘shut down’, who would notice?

Liam on August 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Shutting down the government hands Congress back to the Democrats.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

So does Obama giving amnesty to illegals, what are we going to do about that? Nothing.

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I saw Paul on the Daily Show a while ago. He couldn’t stop talking about his good-hearted and well-intentioned liberal friends. “They mean well,” he kept insisting. It was beyond lip service, it sounded more like an article of faith. This is my problem with libertarians and my single greatest reservation about Paul, i.e., the seeming mental block about the nature of the Left.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

I know plenty of liberals who are decent, well-meaning people. Some of these liberals are my neighbors, my family, and some even my friends. Are they wrong? Yes. Do they vote for evil people? Yes. Should we scream at them on the Daily Show instead of changing their minds and their voting? NO. NO. NO.

Part of politics is winning people to your side. Ronald Reagan understood that.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point.

No, it isn’t.

Shutting down this f*cking government is the BEST idea we have left. I’m not surprised that the fickle GOP are avoiding it, but that HA seems to more and more toe that fickle party line every day is disappointing.

Hoping the overlord alligator will eat you last as a reward for your assistance in feeding everyone else in first, HA?

Midas on August 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

It’s better to insist on delay and stick to that point.

So, Ed adopts the RINO position (which they won’t stick to in the end).

I don’t get it. Not 20 years ago, we shut down government for multiple days and the world did not collapse. There was barely a hiccup.

Yet now every member of government is too timid to let it breathe for even a moment, while this “frozen” debt continues to lie to our faces.

MadisonConservative on August 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Precisely.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Again, I pat myself on the back for predicting this weeks ago. Defund was always a bargaining ploy to get to delay.

Chris of Rights on August 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

What bargaining ploy? The Dems will fight against delay as well and the RINOs will roll on that in the end.

Bitter Clinger on August 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Should we scream at them on the Daily Show instead of changing their minds and their voting? NO. NO. NO.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

You’re right; they deserve worse.

“changing their minds and their voting”

LOL, comical.

Keep f*cking that chicken; it’s going so well so far, isn’t it?

Midas on August 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Oh noes! Return of the Sequester Monster – Part III (Beltway Bloat-apocalypse!)

WaPo: Unemployment rates rise in DC, MD and VA.

Unemployment rates rose in the District, Maryland and Virginia in July, the Labor Department reported Monday, a sign that federal spending cuts may be starting to weigh on the region’s labor market.

Each jurisdiction posted a weak performance in two critical sectors — professional services and government — which may have been affected by the budget cuts that went into effect in March.

It’s finally here,” said Daraius Irani, director of the Regional Economic Studies Institute at Towson University. “I think we’re seeing the effects of the sequestration taking firmer hold in the overall job numbers.” …The lowest rate, 3 percent, was recorded in North Dakota.

/March… finally

Terp Mole on August 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

The change to the filibuster that we need is that a simple majority in the Senate is all that is need to undo statutory spending. It’s not right previous Congresses are able to commit future Congresses to spending. Of course, this change wouldn’t be enough to undo the looming disaster of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency. But there may be other ways around it if we get a GOP president–multi-decade agreements with financial institutions.

thuja on August 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

When do Paul and Obama meet secretly to plan all this?

verbaluce on August 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Never. Paul is wrong on obama. He said this morning, related to the NSA “president obama fundamentally doesn’t know about the separation of powers…constitution…”.

NO, obama knows exactly what they are and pees on them.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM

It’s all very fascinating. The best, most accomplished, most effective congress in my lifetime shut down the government to good effect. We achieved more with that congress than when we had both houses AND the presidency. Now, we are told it’s impossible and irresponsible.

Why even have 3 branches of government, if they are just going to rubber stamp ANY president’s wishes.

Vanbasten on August 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM

If the GOP tied its refusal to fund Obamacare – to the point of shutting down the government – with alternatives to Obamacare they would get much more support.

Shutting down the government does NOT mean benefits like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, pay for the military, food stamps, etc will be cut off. It does not mean we will NOT pay the interest we owe. The GOP needs to go on the offensive to explain to people this fact & explain how every time the DNC /Obama claims these will be cut off / not be paid they are lying and are engaged in fear mongering.

If the government is shut down, the people who are doing NOTHING except making things worse right now – Congress – will not get paid. THAT is a good thing! I am all for it!

easyt65 on August 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Part of politics is winning people to your side. Ronald Reagan understood that.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Paul was referring specifically to leftist politicians in the congress around him, not your friendly neighbors. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

These people do not mean well, never have, and the need to define and underline the nature of their motives and effects is necessary to an enlightened electorate. We are in the fix we’re in because of our continued even abject failure to identify and educate people as to the inimical Leftist elements around us. Most people don’t even know what the word “Leftist” means (but have a instantaneous and invidious identification with “Right-wing”). Rather than make naive and unsupportable blanket statements, Paul needs to use his intellect and people skills to find the balance. It doesn’t require “screaming.” Screaming isn’t Paul’s style anyway. I understand the need of a politician to use mediating terms, but at some point the fear and non-confrontation cram you into a corner from which there is no way out. We’re nearing that point; that is, the sheer totality of voter ignorance along with conditioned cultural embrace of liberalism as unfailingly noble and correct becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Reagan had people skills non-pareil but he was also never ambiguous or reluctant to identify the idiocies and bad-faith of liberalism. Never. He lived and fought through the Communist union skirmishes in Hollywood and knew what he was up against. This knowledge informed and guided him. I’d like to think Paul and other libertarians had some of this basic, hard-wired understanding, but I’m not able to.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Should we scream at them on the Daily Show instead of changing their minds and their voting? NO. NO. NO.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

You’re right; they deserve worse.

“changing their minds and their voting”

LOL, comical.

Keep f*cking that chicken; it’s going so well so far, isn’t it?

Midas on August 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Reagan Democrats.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

The only way is through delay.

1 Only 13 Republicans are on board with defunding and one of them is Rubio. And I trust Rubio as much as Caesar should have trusted Brutus-which effectively reduces that number to 12.
2 Obamacare is already law so let’s not use the “becoming an entitlement” argument. The difference here is unlike Social Security and Medicare–this law is hugely unpopular and could eventually be overturned despite the best efforts of the fourth and most powerful branch of government— the FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY.
3 Unpopular Obamacare when coupled with Obama’s other gaffes, home and abroad, will probably lead to a Republican Senate to join an increased Republican House unless we do something egregious like playing the Democratic game of mounting a suicidal charge at defunding -lacking support EVEN FROM YOUR OWN PARTY. It’s like charging a well-defended castle after 75% of your men have already deserted. A defunding attempt, 100% doomed to failure,could lead to the Democrats keeping the Senate.
4 I am well aware that there are some cowardly RINOS– using excuse number 3 (above)– who have no intention combatting Obamacare now or in the future–and many of these “go with the flow” poltroons would rather surrender than fight. These traitors eventually should be primaried out of the party–but meanwhile it’s better to have people who are with you half the time than enemies who are NEVER with you.

MaiDee on August 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Part of politics is winning people to your side. Ronald Reagan understood that.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Paul was referring specifically to leftist politicians in the congress around him, not your friendly neighbors. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

These people do not mean well, never have, and the need to define and underline the nature of their motives and effects is necessary to an enlightened electorate. We are in the fix we’re in because of our continued even abject failure to identify and educate people as to the inimical Leftist elements around us. Most people don’t even know what the word “Leftist” means (but have a instantaneous and invidious identification with “Right-wing”). Rather than make naive and unsupportable blanket statements, Paul needs to use his intellect and people skills to find the balance. It doesn’t require “screaming.” Screaming isn’t Paul’s style anyway. I understand the need of a politician to use mediating terms, but at some point the fear and non-confrontation cram you into a corner from which there is no way out. We’re nearing that point; that is, the sheer totality of voter ignorance along with conditioned cultural embrace of liberalism as unfailingly noble and correct becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Reagan had people skills non-pareil but he was also never ambiguous or reluctant to identify the idiocies and bad-faith of liberalism. Never. He lived and fought through the Communist union skirmishes in Hollywood and knew what he was up against. This knowledge informed and guided him. I’d like to think Paul and other libertarians had some of this basic, hard-wired understanding, but I’m not able to.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Turning into Glenn Beck isn’t going to win elections. Politicians who try to “educate the public” always fail and become too preachy. No one likes preachy politicians or celebrities.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

If the House passed a budget that defunded ObamaCare, the chances of a conference committee keeping that as status quo are nil, as are the chances that a Democrat-controlled Senate would pass it or that Barack Obama would sign it.

He’s clearly not suggesting that the defunded ObamaCare language will be kept as the status quo. He clearly says that the language should be used for leverage to get smaller (“delay and/or weaken” in your cited article) concessions.

besser tot als rot on August 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

No one likes preachy politicians … .

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

besser tot als rot on August 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Turning into Glenn Beck isn’t going to win elections. Politicians who try to “educate the public” always fail and become too preachy. No one likes preachy politicians or celebrities.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

“Screaming”…. “preachy”… “turning into Glenn Beck.” Where does all this nonsense come from?

Can you not see the point of bringing the public along to the truth? That the years of failure to engage the Left for who and what they are and the failure or fear to demand a reckoning of leftist-driven cause and effect has led us into the political and cultural deficit we find themselves in?

So nothing needs to change? We should just keep reiterating Narratives that leftist politicians mean well when it is this very idea of inherent moral righteousness which drives the Left and serves as their chief recruiting tool to young people? Shouldn’t we be trying to undercut and expose it?

By the way — Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin (colleagues of Rand Paul) are NOT Reagan Democrats.

rrpjr on August 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM

“We should choose the leverage of controlling one-third of government.”

1. If you aren’t willing to shut down the government, or at least act like you will, you have no leverage.

2. Why are you passing continuing resolutions anyway? How about demanding an actual budget for once in Obama’s 8 years?

xblade on August 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

A government shutdown is exactly what we need, so those in congress can’t do us any more harm than they already have.

F_This on August 19, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I changed my registration from Republican to Indy in 2007 when it became all too obvious that the Republican party had no intention of putting the brakes on idiotic spending and had surrendered in the culture war.

Now, I’m going to register Democrat.

It’s the only protest left against Republican betrayal.

At least Democrats are true to their professed beliefs and work tirelessly to see them implemented.

Meremortal on August 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Reagan Democrats.

Punchenko on August 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Bullshit. ‘Reagan Democrats’ would be castigated by the Left today for being too conservative. And they wouldn’t be supporting any of this bullshit going on from Democrats today.

Get another chicken, you’re wearing that one out.

Midas on August 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

No Rand, this is a bad decision due to you being tied to McConnell in your ‘deal’ – you have chosen to go with the emasculated GOPe on this issue, instead of joining your 3 older siblings in The 3 American Musketeers for the fight.

If the HOR passes the Graves CR and then Obamacare funding is put back in during Conference, then the HOR should vote down the Conference Bill, and then fight via the new and social media to get the truth about what happened through to the Public – just like we fought the gun grab …successfully.

Any Republican that votes to fund Obamacare at any time, will have a big Tea Party Target slapped on their wimpy A$$.

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exodus2011 on August 20, 2013 at 3:51 AM