It’s time: 51% want U.S. to cut off military aid to Egypt

posted at 7:21 pm on August 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Twenty-six percent say we should continue shoveling money at Sisi and company in hopes of influencing events there but 51 percent want to pull the plug. And if you read last night’s QOTD, you know that that’s no idle wish. The Senate GOP, from uberhawks like McCain to libertarians like Rand Paul, is unified in wanting to pull the plug. Democrats are trickier, obviously, because O’s wishes will influence their willingness to cut Egypt off, but the State Department’s already looking to scale back economic aid. That’s a warning to the army, I take it, that if there are new massacres like last week’s, military aid is next.

For the most part, there are only modest demographic and partisan differences in opinions about the situation in Egypt. However, Republicans (63%) are more likely than Democrats (47%) or independents (46%) to say that Obama has not been tough enough on the Egyptian military in responding to the violence.

But comparable percentages of Republicans (56%), Democrats (49%) and independents (53%) favor cutting off U.S. military aid to the Egyptian government. About half of Republicans (52%) and Democrats (46%) say the military could provide better leadership for Egypt, as do 42% of independents.

Overall, 45 percent say the military would provide better leadership for Egypt versus just 11 percent who say the Muslim Brotherhood would. It’s not that the public is anti-coup, in other words, so much as anti-crackdown. Whether those two positions are reconcilable is a separate question.

Two big caveats, though, about cutting off aid. One: It’s not clear how much of the public supports yanking it permanently versus simply as an inducement to get the military to go easy on protesters. Pew’s question asked if aid should be suspended “in order to pressure the Egyptian government.” Presumably there’s some segment of voters who, like McCain, are willing to cancel aid temporarily to send a message with reinstatement to come later if the bloodletting slows down. Two: On the flip side, some of the support for cutting aid likely has nothing to do with the specifics of what’s happening in Egypt. When Pew polled the public back in February on items in the federal budget that deserve the axe in the name of reducing the deficit, the one and only item out of 17 polled for which a plurality of the public supported cuts was foreign aid. Just 22 percent are following news out of Egypt “very closely” according to Pew, so the support for yanking aid in the new poll may simply be an opportunistic response to the subject generally. If you’re looking for reasons to cut them off in the first place and then they do something atrocious, well, there you go.

I agree with Jeffrey Goldberg: The two big reasons theoretically to keep money flowing to Egypt is to buy leverage for the White House and to keep the army from attacking Israel. But neither of those things matter anymore. Egypt’s new enemy is Islamism, not Zionism, and given how they’ve defied our demands not to roll over protesters, we don’t have real leverage anymore anyway. Beyond that, the Gulf States give Egypt vastly more money than we do; if they want Cairo to go to war with Israel, they can outbid us. But that brings us back to Goldberg’s first point — the Saudis are more interested in killing Islamists, both Sunni and Shiite, than they are Israelis. They’re arguably a better hedge on a new Six Days War than we are. In which case, why throw away another $2 billion we don’t have? Exit quotation via InstaGlenn: “[I]t’s pretty clear that the places where Islamists are least popular — Iran, and now Egypt — are the places where they’ve wielded real power. Hence the strategy: Allow sectarian civil war to rage through the region until it burns itself out.”


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The other 49% want to help them kill themselves off I hope?

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

The so called peaceful protesters that you think they should go easy on, murdered 27 unarmed police recruits by tying then up and shooting each in the back of the head.

Blake on August 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Give any rat hole country as much money as they want to buy anything that will kill one another en mass. The problems will solve themselves.

patman77 on August 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Polls as news. Really — if Obama doesn’t care about Egypt more than his golf games, why should anyone else?

Liam on August 19, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Newsflash: the Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy, not the Egyptian army.

rcpjr on August 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

MeanWhile,Team JihadyLov’n Hopey Administration is CONCERNED:

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 5h

U.S. State Department says banning Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood would be a bad idea #breaking
Retweeted by Reuters Top News
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Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 5h

U.S. State Department says it is deeply troubled by “suspicious” deaths of Muslim Brotherhood prisoners in custody in Egypt #breaking

https://twitter.com/Reuters

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 7:30 PM

In which case, why throw away another $2 billion we don’t have? Exit quotation via InstaGlenn: “[I]t’s pretty clear that the places where Islamists are least popular — Iran, and now Egypt — are the places where they’ve wielded real power. Hence the strategy: Allow sectarian civil war to rage through the region until it burns itself out.”

And how many Christians are slaughtered in the “civil war”?

Wethal on August 19, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Maybe the DHS, the IRS, Treasury, Interior, and Justice can send some of that excess ammo they purchased quietly to the Egyptian military to use on the totalitarian islamists (redundant?).

It might take some media focus off of Fast and Furious.

KirknBurker on August 19, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Actually I want aid to the Egyptian military to keep flowing. They need to rid Egypt of the Muslim Brotherhood.
These are modern day nazis…..

redguy on August 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

What’s Lindsey Graham saying about this at this hour? Flip.flop. Flip.flop.

SouthernGent on August 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM

/popcorn.

Maybe Egypt will be inhabitable after this is over.

nobar on August 19, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I agree with Jeffrey Goldberg: The two big reasons theoretically to keep money flowing to Egypt is to buy leverage for the White House and to keep the army from attacking Israel. But neither of those things matter anymore. Egypt’s new enemy is Islamism,
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Hmmm,….and the Islamists are MuslimBrotherHoodGoons,and not
the Egyptian Military!!!!!

What Hopey to do!!!

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The days of the arms race and proxy wars between the US and Soviet Union are long gone. I see little practical need to arm as many countries as we do. How many people would be saved if combatants didn’t have such easy access to high-tech weapons?

If certain people want so badly to have a war, let them do it the old-fashioned way: sticks and rocks.

Liam on August 19, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Hmmm,…No Sh*t Sherlock:

The recent violence in Egypt raises fears that a new Islamist insurgency may take root on the Nile,

the location of a failed campaign against the Egyptian state by militants in 1990,

reports Reuters’ Tom Perry and Alexander Dziadosz.

READ: Insight: In Egypt, flickers of a new Islamist insurgency
by Margarita Noriega (Reuters) 11:55 AM
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http://live.reuters.com/Event/Egypt_Unrest_3?Page=13

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Leading from BEHIND! HOOOO.

Whats the polls say I should do?

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The enemy of my enemy is, if the cards are played right, the best way to kill off both my enemies.

Bruno Strozek on August 19, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Egypt’s new enemy is Islamism

See, this is causing me to re-think the situation.

If they really are going to wipe out the Muslim Brotherhood, and the ‘protestors’ that are working on wiping out Christians and the like… well, I guess I’m objecting a bit less to the funding.

Will they behave if/once the MB/protestors are removed?

Tricky.

Midas on August 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Don’t worry, Obama has “secretly” cut aid ti Egypt’s military without saying anything, like a little pissant.

claudius on August 19, 2013 at 7:59 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/19/senator-obama-administration-secretly-suspended-military-aid-to-egypt.html

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Interesting that a Dem would be the one outing/undercutting Obama.

Liam on August 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM

The Associated Press ‏@AP 9m

BREAKING: Egyptian officials say Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader Mohammed Badie has been detained -RJJ
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https://twitter.com/AP

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Who needs enemies with the snake in the White House?

claudius on August 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Secretary of State John Kerry spent the last few weeks believing that U.S. policy in Egypt would best be served by negotiating with Interim Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei, the former United Nations diplomat from Vienna who resigned his post after just 30 days, said a senior U.S. State Department official in Cairo.

“ElBaradei was the wrong guy to negotiate with, but ‘S’ believed he would be able to convince Mansour and [General] Sisi. State worked almost exclusively through the guy that ended up resigning after 30 days on the job,” said the official, denoting Secretary Kerry with the State Department’s standard, “S” referral.

While Kerry instructed State Department officials to focus on appealing to the former UN official-turned-failed-presidential candidate, the U.S. Department of Defense officials dealt with General Sisi, the top military official. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham flew to Egypt and met with Sisi in early August for what one official described to me as “an early attempt to show the U.S. was united.” Following the meeting and in the eight days leading up to the August 14 eruption of sectarian violence, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel reportedly called Sisi upwards of 11 times to try and calm the situation while Kerry continued to work ElBaradei. Neither was successful in their efforts.

Yet the Obama administration pressed on — or rather, failed to press on with their diplomatic strategy of going through ElBaradei. President Obama and the first family began their eight-day vacation to Martha’s Vineyard on August 10 believing the Secretary Kerry-VP ElBaradei gamble would work. Though it was clear by the time Obama finished his first round of golf that Kerry’s strategy was failing, the President decided to stay with the Kerry plan. National Security Adviser Susan Rice, too, waited for Kerry.

Richard Grenell at Fox News.

Wethal on August 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM

It doesn’t make any difference now, Obama, Kerry, McCain, Graham and gang, Egypt’s got Saudi Arabia for money and Russia for arms.

VorDaj on August 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Pro kill Christians or Anti kill Christians. And Im a proud Massachusetts Republican. I see all sides. There is no debate here.

Pro West Egypt, Pro Saudi, or Muslim Brotherhood devious roots anf intentions.

swamp_yankee on August 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM

It wasn’t enough for Obama to turn Eqypt from friend to neutral, now he’s turned Eqypt into enemy.

VorDaj on August 19, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Get behind Sissi or youre a McCain level fool

swamp_yankee on August 19, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Honestly, there is no “right” solution here.

Thanks to the rat-eared wonder and the pig-in-a-pantsuit. They pushed out one dictator, thought they could work with the Muslim Brotherhood, and now are sending a muddled message of support.

47 Coptic churces were destroyed this week and we’ve seen little about it. Imagine the MSM outrage if that were 47 mosques. The death toll is probably well over 1,000 even though the Egyptians are low balling the numbers. And BTW, a big part of the Egyptian economy is tourism- wonder how that’s going right now.

Happy Nomad on August 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/19/senator-obama-administration-secretly-suspended-military-aid-to-egypt.html

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 7:51 PM

astonerii:Execellent Intel Grab,it popped up on Reuters:)
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The Daily Beast ‏@thedailybeast 24m

Exclusive: Senator says Obama administration secretly suspended military aid to Egypt http://thebea.st/14ep2Pm
Retweeted by Reuters Top News

https://twitter.com/Reuters

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

it is a Drudge find. Sorry. I am no good at finding much of anything.

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

51% of Americans could not tell you where Egypt was on a world map, even if it were brightly labeled.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:34 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:26 PM

it is a Drudge find. Sorry. I am no good at finding much of anything.

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

astonerii:Really,Canop Intell Linky’s———————–:)
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BreakingNews&src=hash

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Allow al-Sisi the time to do what must be done for Egypt and the Egyptian people.

Back off, Obama, and Congress.

Pray, if you can. Hope for the best, obviously.

But if you are not leading, nor following, at least have the decency to get the hell out of the way.

This Administration (and a lot of GOPers, as well) gave the Moslem Brotherhood and Morsi plenty of time to try to destroy Egypt….on our dime, too.

The US has NO influence on current events in Egypt.

In time, Egypt will recover…and Egyptian memories are long…and other nations in the region will remember also.

We lost. Had our hats handed to us.

Thanks to Obama, our foothold in the Middle East is reduced to Israel…and most there do not like the current administration…so…back to pre-Camp David days we go.

Smart power?

Really????

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Saudi Arabia’s $5-billion pledge and the Emirates’ $3 billion will provide Egypt a much-needed economic lifeline, but analysts said they also would diminish the United States’ already shrinking influence with the new government in Cairo.

Uhhh…. we give anywhere from 1.2-1.5 billion in aide to Egypt. They really don’t care what we do.
On Fox News Channel tonight it was reported that Sec.of defense Hagel asked the new military chief to stop fighting 17 times. He ignored Hagel all 17 times. The world knows who obaomao is and they don’t care.

rodguy911 on August 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

51% of Americans could not tell you where Egypt was on a world map, even if it were brightly labeled.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:34 PM

coldwarrior:Shining The Light Of Truth,..Eh!:)

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Alternate headline:

Let the Islamist take over many new weapons to wage war on non-believers.

These guys aren’t religious. They are power mad with millions of brainwashed followers. When will these so-called religious people reign in their own infidels?

Vince on August 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Smart power?

Really????

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM

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canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It is what I do. :-)

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Go a step further.

Stop aiding the military but also give direct military aid to the Muslim Brotherhood, so we can help the peaceful protestors complete the cleansing of Christians and the liberals that support the military: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356099/coptic-kristallnacht-andrew-doran

Who likes liberals anyway?

anotherJoe on August 19, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Newsflash: the Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy, not the Egyptian army.

rcpjr on August 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

They’re both our enemy. Although I’d say the MB is worse at this particular second. But even an anti-MB group said just the other day that it wanted to cancel the 1979 Camp David peace treaty with Israel. Just like the MB.

This is a squabble between many power factions within the same evil. There is no good side.

But, yes, if we had anyone with a brain in Washington, they would be encouraging the Army’s attacks on the MB at this particular moment. Only not with aid. We should end all aid to all Muslim countries entirely. Other than that, let them all fight it out. Less work for us.

WhatSlushfund on August 19, 2013 at 8:47 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

In the word’s of John Hay, former Secretary of State way way back in the day, “What a load of cr*p.”

OK, he didn’t say that, but if some wonk over at Foggy Bottom had handed that “statecraft” missive to him, he’d have replied likewise.

Statecraft?

If’n ya gots to use a lot of fancy words, you’ve no real idea of which you speak.

We’ve been taken down a number of times by folks who have no idea what technology is. They just know what they want and have the desire to get it.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

….The US has NO influence on current events in Egypt.

In time, Egypt will recover…and Egyptian memories are long…and other nations in the region will remember also.

We lost. Had our hats handed to us.

Thanks to Obama, our foothold in the Middle East is reduced to Israel…and most there do not like the current administration…so…back to pre-Camp David days we go.

Smart power?

Really????

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Great post.
Sad thing is that after the obama regime is through(pray we don’t get hillary/houma) even if we get into power it will take years to reverse the course zero has set internationally as a nation.
Few if any around the world will ever trust the US again. Of course some believe that was obamas mission. To take down the US in every way shape and form. It’s what is happening. They have done a good job of nation destruction.

rodguy911 on August 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It is what I do. :-)

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 8:43 PM

coldwarrior:Ya gots da Wisdom——————————:0

canopfor on August 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM

So Russia will have the influence over the Suez Canal now?

How about these apples?
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/081913-668027-egypt-crisis-result-of-obama-arrogance-and-incompetence.htm

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Not a lot of Egyptians, especially Egyptian military types have any great fondness for Russia. They’ve been through it, once. Not good overall for any Egyptians…turned a good chunk of them pro-West for a while, too.

But, pan-Arabism, of sorts…in the form of a joint Saudi/Gulf/Egypt and Jordanian power center, now a probability.

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 9:00 PM

So after Obama has helped al queda and the brotherhood take over Libya, Syria, Egypt and Iraq (and probably Jordan not to far down the road)and with Lebanon already under the control of terrorists how long till they all turn their attention to us?

peacenprosperity on August 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

I say double our military aid and give them the green light to eliminate the MB.

Dusty on August 19, 2013 at 9:15 PM

astonerii on August 19, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Interesting that a Dem would be the one outing/undercutting Obama.

Liam on August 19, 2013 at 8:03 PM

They don’t call him Leaky Leahy without reason.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2013 at 9:20 PM

coldwarrior on August 19, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Yep. The editorial that I linked said that Sadat moved Egypt away from Russian (USSR) influence and that Mubarack continued that model.

onlineanalyst on August 19, 2013 at 9:31 PM

The Muslims are killing Christians and the world stands by. By not helping Obama is endorsing the killings.

alanstern on August 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM

By not helping Obama is endorsing the killings.

alanstern on August 19, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Help is on its way!

Shy Guy on August 19, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Suez Canal

lexhamfox on August 20, 2013 at 12:10 AM

To cut aid means to cede influence over the Suez to the Russians. That is why the aid will not be cut. Allah – pretty weak post.

The protesters are using kids as shields and their protest camps as arms stores, daring the military to break them up and kill the children – I wouldn’t really know who to believe except that this is a typical strategy by the islamists we have seen time and time again in Israel.

The MB is our enemy – the egyptian army is not.

McCain is a dolt – as bad as Obama on this one.

Wake up people – the Egyptians are fighting for their country, to keep it away from the jihadists.

Zomcon JEM on August 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM