Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on August 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Two lawmakers who serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Sunday that the United States should reconsider its aid to Egypt in the wake of bloody clashes between that country’s interim government and supporters of ousted president Mohammed Morsi…

“With the recent violent crackdown I do not see how we can continue aid,” said [Sen. Kelly] Ayotte, who opposed a legislative measure in July to suspend the aid package to Egypt’s military. “I believe it must be suspended because unfortunately I think that the military’s gotten the impression – particularly with the president not asking for aid to be suspended when he spoke this week – that whatever they do we will continue our aid.”…

“The acts of the last few days by the Egyptian military are completely unconscionable and I do believe we have to change our aid,” said [Sen. Jack] Reed. “I think also we have to have included in the legislation a national security waiver because we have to give the president not only the responsibility to deal with the government of Egypt but also flexibility.”

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Democratic leaders have generally supported the president’s approach. But on Sunday Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., said he would cut off aid to Egypt. Ellison is the first Muslim elected to Congress and is co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“I would cut off aid but engage in intense diplomacy in Egypt and in the region to try to say, look, we will restore aid when you stop the bloodshed in the street and set up a path towards democracy that you were on before,” Ellison said. “In my mind, there’s no way to say that this was not a coup. It is. We should say so. And then follow our own law, which says we cannot fund the coup leaders.”

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Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahyan, the Emirati foreign minister, went to Washington last month and urged the Americans not to cut off aid. The emirates, along with Saudi Arabia, had swiftly supported the military takeover with a pledge of billions of dollars, undermining Western threats to cut off critical loans or aid.

The Israelis, whose military had close ties to General Sisi from his former post as head of military intelligence, were supporting the takeover as well. Western diplomats say that General Sisi and his circle appeared to be in heavy communication with Israeli colleagues, and the diplomats believed the Israelis were also undercutting the Western message by reassuring the Egyptians not to worry about American threats to cut off aid.

Israeli officials deny having reassured Egypt about the aid, but acknowledge having lobbied Washington to protect it…

“The million-dollar question now,” said one American military officer, “is where is the threshold of violence for cutting ties?”

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Untangling the aid relationship with Cairo would not be simple and could be costly for the United States as well as Egypt. A special financing arrangement Cairo uses could leave U.S. taxpayers holding the bill for billions of dollars in equipment Egypt already has ordered on credit, and companies like Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics that build military hardware for Egypt would be affected by aid restrictions.

Also on Sunday, several lawmakers made the point that the security of neighboring Israel and the Suez canal were compelling reasons in favor of continued aid. Since 1979, when Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel, it has been the second largest recipient, after Israel, of U.S. bilateral foreign aid, the Congressional Research Service says.

At issue, too, is the U.S. relationship with key Gulf Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, which have promised the military-backed government some $12 billion in financial support.

Saudi Arabia, which fears the spread of Muslim Brotherhood ideology to the Gulf monarchies, pledged $5 billion alone in aid to Egypt after the Islamist Mursi was ousted.

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Rep. Eliot Engel, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on “This Week” that the U.S. should not suspend aid to Egypt despite the Egyptian military’s crackdown on protesters supporting deposed Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi.

“Obviously, we cannot let what’s been happening just happen, but I think we have to be careful and not cut off our nose to spite our face,” Engel said on “This Week.”

Engel said while he is “very unhappy” with the military’s crackdown, he said the U.S. should continue to try to influence Egypt’s military leaders to “get them to pull back.”

“It’s very disconcerting that the generals in the military have not listened to us, but I think we need to keep it up. I think we need to talk to them. We need to try to influence them,” Engel said. “I don’t believe they want to blow up the relationship.”

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Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y., said curtailing aid could reduce U.S. influence over Egypt’s interim government, which controls access to strategic resources, including the Suez Canal.

“We certainly shouldn’t cut off all aid,” said King, who chairs the House panel on counterterrorism and intelligence.

King said there are no good choices in Egypt. Ousted President Mohammed Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, was democratically elected. But, King said, the group has not demonstrated a commitment to democracy.

“The fact is there’s no good guys there,” King said. “But of the two, I think there is more opportunity to protect American interests if we work with the military and continue our relationship with the military.”

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It is hard to imagine that Obama will cut off aid to Egypt. The military coup in Pakistan during the Bush administration did not stop the transfer of American aid. This is not what the Egyptian army is concerned about as it is fighting for its survival. The aid allows the Americans to talk to the Egyptian generals, and Washington must keep in mind that Russia is waiting right around the corner, to fill any void that may be created.

This is why Obama is operating slowly. Following Morsi’s ouster, the Pentagon froze the transfer of four out of six F-16s it was supposed to supply to Egypt. Both sides can withstand this. Obama also announced the cancellation of a joint military drill in Sinai. Egypt can withstand this as well, mainly due to the fact that its soldiers are busy suppressing the riots in Egypt’s cities and fighting terrorists in Sinai.

America may soon declare that it is freezing the transfer of Apache helicopters in order to buy a little more time.

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[L]egitimate grievances duly noted, the Brotherhood is still not the Nazi party. It may be a foul religious right movement, but it did not abolish democracy or drive the opposition underground. And to rely on the military to remove it is naive in the extreme. The Egyptian army has suppressed dissent since 1952. To add robbery to murder, it has built a military-industrial complex that keeps Egyptians poor by preventing new businesses competing with the elite monopolies it controls…

However hard it is to say, European Union governments and the US have to live by their principles and call a coup a coup. Aid and normal diplomatic relations must depend on the release of political prisoners, the restoration of civil liberties and a return to democracy – even if that means a return of Morsi to power until the next election. Western liberals ought to stir themselves as well. I have written before of their failure to listen to liberals in the Arab world – or even acknowledge their existence. But the traffic should go both ways.

It is not disrespectful or condescending to tell them that the notion of a good society built on the back of a government dominated by the military is always improbable. In the case of the Egyptian military it is not improbable, just impossible.

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Many of the 20th century’s crises were touched off or worsened by these kinds of great-power/client-state dynamics — between Russia and Serbia in 1914; between Stalin and Kim Il Sung in 1950 and Khrushchev and Castro in 1962; and between the U.S. and various South Vietnamese governments across our long Indochina debacle.

The problem is still with us today. The brush-fire war between Russia and Georgia in 2008, for instance, probably wouldn’t have happened if America’s patronage hadn’t made our Georgian allies overestimate their ability to engage in brinkmanship with Vladimir Putin. (Happily, John McCain’s half-cocked declaration that “we are all Georgians” was the closest we came to starting World War III on Tbilisi’s behalf.) And the 2003 Iraq invasion was shaped, in part, by perverse patron-client dynamics as well: it was both a continuation of Gulf War I, which was fought on behalf of our gulf-state clients, and an attempt to effectively replace those (highly problematic) allies with what various Bush-administration optimists hoped would be a new and very grateful client in the heart of the Middle East…

Right now, the Obama administration is trapped by its client state the way that great-power patrons often are. Because our aid to Egypt is our most obvious leverage over its military, and because we can really only pull that lever once, Washington is afraid to follow through and do it.

But leverage can be lost through inaction as well. If we can’t cut the Egyptian military off amid this blood bath, we’re basically proving that we never, ever will.

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While McCain voted late last month to maintain aid to Egypt, the longtime senator has since had a change of heart and is now joining others, including Republican Sen. Rand Paul, in calling for the Obama administration to suspend aid…

“With Apache helicopters flying overhead (in Egypt), nothing is more symbolic of the United States of America siding with the generals,” he told CNN’s chief political correspondent Candy Crowley…

Asked Sunday if he still believes a suspension would indirectly damage the Jewish state, McCain said there would be a “risk.”

“But I also would point out that the Mubarak regime and this regime is stoking anti-Americanism to a large degree, and anti-Israel rhetoric is very high,” he said. “I believe that Israel can defend itself, although it may be of some cost to them, but look at the cost of American credibility.”

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Via the Corner:

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HAH!!

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

What would have happened if OWS were heavily armed? Would Bloomberg and Obama looked the other way? Or, after telling them to clear out and giving them a deadline, would they go in and use force?

Blake on August 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“I would cut off aid but engage in intense diplomacy in Egypt and in the region to try to say, look, we will restore aid when you stop the bloodshed in the street and set up a path towards democracy that you were on before,” Ellison said.

Of course Ellison thinks Morsi’s suspending of the constitution and dictatorial power grab represent ‘a path towards democracy.’ It’s exactly what his idol, Obama, is doing.

Does Ellison still think the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbour?

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

” Elementary my dear Watson ……..”
STOP !
Sorry for shouting .

Lucano on August 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

The Egyptian army has the right idea.

Time to put an end to the Muslim Brotherhood one way or another:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396764/Islamist-mob-parades-nuns-Cairo-prisoners-war-hours-looting-church-school-replacing-cross-banner-resembling-Al-Qaeda-flag.html

FTA:

A mob marched nuns through the battle-torn streets of Cairo ‘like prisoners of war’ in the latest outrage against Egypt’s Christian minority.

Sister Manal, principal of a Franciscan school in suburban Cairo, watched for six hours as a mob looted the building, knocked the cross off the gate and replaced it with a black banner resembling the flag of Al Qaeda.

The classrooms were then burned to the ground and the women taken away, attracting a crowd of abusive onlookers.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

While McCain voted late last month to maintain aid to Egypt, the longtime senator has since had a change of heart and is now joining others, including Republican Sen. Rand Paul, in calling for the Obama administration to suspend aid…

When it is up to his election he will use one of these to woo voters. One every side of every issue, but when it counts, the time to vote, always on the wrong side of history.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 8:12 PM

[L]egitimate grievances duly noted, the Brotherhood is still not the Nazi party.

It’s doing a great job at recreating Kristallnacht.

Had the colonels overthrown the Nazi Party, it still would have been a coup, but it would/should have been encouraged and celebrated.

‘Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history and religion. This saves your honour.’

– Amin al-Husseini, Berlin, 1 March 1944


Islamic Naziism

Includes pictures of CURRENT Islamic groups in the ME using the Hitler salute.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:12 PM

“It’s sad for America,” Palin said to Fox NewsRadio Todd Starnes, calling the president’s handling of the [Egypt] crisis dithering. “Literally all hell seems to be breaking loose and President Obama is in Martha’s Vineyard having a gay old time, riding his bike, partying it up.”

journeymike on August 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Does Ellison still think the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbour?

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I will wager he does. Cohen who said the MD’s aren’t like the Nazi party is a drooling mental reject. These “moderate muslims” are only invading churches and murdering the unarmed Christians.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Democratic leaders have generally supported the president’s approach. But on Sunday Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., said he would cut off aid to Egypt. Ellison is the first Muslim elected to Congress and is co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

And, he’s one of the dumbest men you will ever meet.
He’s just mad because the Muslim brotherhood is getting their a$$es handed to them.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM

journeymike on August 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Today he squeezed in another round of golf before taking his daughters to the beach. Of course the SS had lots and lots of roads blocked off so they could get their swim in.

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I’v had a Bishop or two …..
It just never felt right .

Lucano on August 18, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Let’s not side with the people murdering Christians and burning churches, ok?

blue13326 on August 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM

MD’s should read MB’s – sorry – Dog

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

…oh good!…it’s about Egypt!…that means bluegill can come on here and pontificate about illegal aliens and Cruz!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

“The fact is there’s no good guys there,” King said. “But of the two, I think there is more opportunity to protect American interests if we work with the military and continue our relationship with the military.”

Peter, you’re off your nut.
Instead of worrying about them killing each other, could care less, why don’t you push for energy independence with the pipeline and fracking…..get the rest of the party on board.
Instead, you look like a talking a$$hole.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The Israelis, whose military had close ties to General Sisi from his former post as head of military intelligence, were supporting the takeover as well. Western diplomats say that General Sisi and his circle appeared to be in heavy communication with Israeli colleagues, and the diplomats believed the Israelis were also undercutting the Western message by reassuring the Egyptians not to worry about American threats to cut off aid.

The Jews. Seriously.

*head-desk*

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

…Congratulations!…about time brother!…hopefully Bish is on vacation…so you won’t get dipped…

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Didn’t Obama all but endorse the Muslim Brotherhood? And think back to his grand speech in Cairo. Except for the fact that we look extremely weak and that the crackpots are using this opportune time to go after the Coptic Christians…..I’m all for them killing each other. And blaming The Won is just icing on the cake. That’s pretty cold but at this point I don’t know what we can do.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Let’s not side with the people murdering Christians and burning churches, ok?

blue13326 on August 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

…Senator Senile and Senator Cracker have that figured out yet?…JugEars seems to know!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 8:23 PM

HAH!!

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

And you owned it with AUTHORI-TAH!

A double-exclamation-pointed all-caps pwn. :)

^ Correct behavior.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

journeymike on August 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Yeah but he came out and made a speech and everything. I bet it’s the first thing he thinks about when he wakes up and the last thing he thinks about when he goes to bed. ‘Cause he’s like that, ya know, caring and all that.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

The War Criminal poster is a very bad picture of Obama. Hardly looks like him.

The Rogue Tomato on August 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

The Jews. Seriously.

*head-desk*

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Doood, al-Sissi IS Jewish and he is trying to impose ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ on Egypt…

Muslim Brotherhood Takes the High Road, Accuses General Al-Sisi of Being a Secret Jew

Following are excerpts from a statement made by Gamal Nassar, former media secretary to the General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, which aired on the Al-Jazeera network on August 17, 2013.

Gamal Nassar: I was trying to figure out Al-Sisi’s origins. I wanted to know more about him. I was surprised to learn, from the Algerian Al-Watan newspaper, that Al-Sisi is of Jewish origin. His mother is called Mulaika Titani, and her brother was a member of the Jewish Haganah organization. Thus, we see that this man, by any standard, is implementing a Zionist plan to divide Egypt.

That sounds fascinating Gamal, where can our readers get more information about this?

This is a Zionist plot, and I am willing to be held responsible for what I say. Whoever reads The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the writings of [the Jews], including those who were writing in the U.S., realizes that this plot was premeditated.

The Protocols. It was a tossup between that or Mein Kampf.

But that’s okay. Because it turns out that Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, was also a Secret Jew (TM).

Safa Al-Hashem, activist and political candidate for the Kuwaiti parliament, has launched a sharp attack on the Muslim Brotherhood.

Al-Hashem told Al-Watan-Kuwait that the Brotherhood has a plan to deploy this poison in the Gulf, and he claims that Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, was really a Moroccan immigrant of Jewish descent! According to al-Hashem, al-Banna really meant the “Jewish brotherhood” when he founded the organization.

Well obviously. Now if Obama finds out the Muslim Brotherhood is really the Jewish Brotherhood, he’ll stop supporting them and start demanding that they turn over land and release terrorists.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Yay!!! Good job!!!

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Now updated with more ‘public problem-solving!’

How Photographs Of Markets Revealed The Grimness Of Soviet Life (Photo Essay)

I would say it’s ‘Great taste!,’ but, in the Soviet Union with its chronic shortages, ‘Less filling!’ is more appropriate.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Didn’t Obama all but endorse the Muslim Brotherhood? And think back to his grand speech in Cairo. Except for the fact that we look extremely weak and that the crackpots are using this opportune time to go after the Coptic Christians…..I’m all for them killing each other. And blaming The Won is just icing on the cake. That’s pretty cold but at this point I don’t know what we can do.

Cindy Munford on August 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Obama IS the Muslim Brootherhood.

Murphy9 on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Doood, al-Sissi IS Jewish and he is trying to impose ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ on Egypt…

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Did they employ that Zionist shark again? /s

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

At least you will still be smelling better than bluegill.

RickB on August 18, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Did they employ that Zionist shark again? /s

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Snicker.

US: ‘Yo Momma!’

Arab World: ‘Yo Momma…Was A Jew!’

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM

[L]egitimate grievances duly noted, the Brotherhood is still not the Nazi party. It may be a foul religious right movement,

– Wait, what? It’s foul because it’s “religous right”? –

but it did not abolish democracy or drive the opposition underground.

A few dead people might disagree with your characterization of the MB as defenders of democracy and tolerant of the opposition.

And to rely on the military to remove it is naive in the extreme. The Egyptian army has suppressed dissent since 1952. To add robbery to murder, it has built a military-industrial complex

– Military industrial complex. Wow. Who wrote this bucket of hippie cliches? Michael Moore?

that keeps Egyptians poor by preventing new businesses competing with the elite monopolies it controls…

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Democratic leaders have generally supported the president’s approach.

Because they don’t want their fingerprints on it anymore than he does.

But on Sunday Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., said he would cut off aid to Egypt. Ellison is the first Muslim elected to Congress and is co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“I would cut off aid but engage in intense diplomacy in Egypt and in the region to try to say, look, we will restore aid when you stop the bloodshed in the street and set up a path towards democracy that you were on before,” Ellison said.

In plain English, “Put the Muslim Brotherhood back in charge, and get back to the serious business of transforming Egypt into a Talibanized Afghanistan. Then attack Israel again, and this time, WIN, DAMMIT!!”

“In my mind, there’s no way to say that this was not a coup. It is. We should say so. And then follow our own law, which says we cannot fund the coup leaders.”

Of course, unlike Comrade Ellison, The One remembers how badly that backfired on him in Honduras, even with Hugo Chavez in his corner. Since Qaddafi, the local Chavez equivalent, is now finding out what the afterlife is really like along with Hugo (I suspect adjoining lava Jacuzzis in the Pit), The One can’t count on any help in the a$$-covering department if an MB “restoration” turns into another war.

The best either of them can hope for is sustained instability, ala’ Lebanon. Which actually would probably be the “least worst” outcome overall.

However, I see no outcome that will benefit the people of Egypt. Unfortunately.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Now updated with more ‘public problem-solving!’

How Photographs Of Markets Revealed The Grimness Of Soviet Life (Photo Essay)

I would say it’s ‘Great taste!,’ but, in the Soviet Union with its chronic shortages, ‘Less filling!’ is more appropriate.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Coming soon to a Kroger’s near you…

Midas on August 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

However hard it is to say, European Union governments and the US have to live by their principles and call a coup a coup.

The moment a military coup happens.

Did they employ that Zionist shark again? /s

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

lol — not sure you needed the snark tag. :)

That was really funny.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Ah, yes – gotta love some good ‘religion of peace’ weekend action, eh? That lot never fail to impress with how loving and tolerant they are, or something.

Midas on August 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

but it did not abolish democracy or drive the opposition underground.

‘Cuz, like, um, ya know, Coptic Christians were allowed to vote and do other things in Morsi’s fabu democracy. /

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Democratic leaders have generally supported the president’s approach.

Meaning they’d be screaming bloody murder if a Republican were in office. I don’t like establishment Republicans but they at least have an integrity that you don’t find among the enemy party.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Ah, yes – gotta love some good ‘religion of peace’ weekend action, eh? That lot never fail to impress with how loving and tolerant they are, or something.

Midas on August 18, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Hey! they are loving and tolerant. Our rat-eared wonder only had to interrupt his vacation once to lecture Coptic Christians not to object that their homes and churches were being destroyed.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Well obviously. Now if Obama finds out the Muslim Brotherhood is really the Jewish Brotherhood, he’ll stop supporting them and start demanding that they turn over land and release terrorists.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Axe ♥ Chocolate Pie

PS: You on Egypt is probably the only thing keeping me sane right now. Reading some of this stuff is exasperating. And then you un-exasperate. About the tenth time you’ve done it. :)

I think it’s you or a bell tower, so — go Sophie.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:41 PM

This was pretty good! :)

‘F*ck you, Egypt’: Model Natasha Galkina blasts church-burning ‘barbarians’

Over 40 #churches looted & some burned in #Egypt #f*ckyou barbarians. #egypt is f*cked up. Thats how u pay for support? #muslims
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

Horrible attacks on #churches. #egypt should die in #hell
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

After burning #Christian #school #egypt #Islamists paraded 3 #nuns on #streets like “#prisoners of #war”
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

You are burning MY CHURCH F*CKERS!!! #egypt #muslims #middleeast #f*ckegypt #islamists
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

as far as I know as many times I congratulated my #muslim friends w their #holidays not one has ever told me #merryxmas
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

Stop burning MY CHURCHES F*CKERS!!! #egypt #muslims #middleeast #f*ckegypt #islamists #Morsi #F*CKYOUEGYPT
— Natasha Galkina (@natashagalkina) August 18, 2013

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I’m conflicted. If you are MB, don’t you have it coming?

Ok…maybe I’m not so conflicted.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The Arab Muslim countries have promised about $12.5B. However they also famously usually fail to deliver anything near what they promise. one of the Arab States of the Persian Gulf, Qutar, is actually a propagandists for the MB. Saudi Arabia subscribes to an even more restrictive religious zealotry.

pat on August 18, 2013 at 8:44 PM

It’s. Hard to visit the Whitehouse when you’re dead.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Republicans but they at least have an integrity that you don’t find among the enemy party.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

???

wolfsDad on August 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’m conflicted. If you are MB, don’t you have it coming?

Ok…maybe I’m not so conflicted.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Let’s get down to the real issue here. The rat-eared coward in the White House picked sides and put the MB in power. It has blown up in his face. But, of course, he can’t admit that since that undermines the super smart power behind the Cairo apology speech.

We are getting dangerous decisions from DC because the filthy bastard in the White House is afraid of losing face.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I don’t think the Egyptians much care what the idiotic Muslim Nazihood supporters Obama, McCain, Graham and McCain’s understudies Ayotte and Reid say. They have now got Banker Saudi Arabia and arms supplier Russia on their side. What an irony that Saudi Arabia and Russia are now against the totalitarian Muslim Nazihood and America’s ‘leaders’ are all for it.

VorDaj on August 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I dunno. I can’t really see a downside to the military wiping out the brotherhood and Egypt ending up in the same situation that they had when Mubarak ran the country.
Mubarak may have been a “semi-despot”, but he kept the islamofascists on a leash, the military backed him and didn’t really seem to run roughshod over the people, they had a peace “agreement” with Israel that seemed to work, and the people had jobs and enough to eat.
When Morsi and the brotherhood took over, all of that went down the tubes.

(And, the only reason that Ellison supports an aid cut-off is because the islamofascists are losing their asses. If they were on top – or at least winning – he’d be screaming, whining and crying for a continuation of aid…if not an increase. Ellison’s loyalty – first and foremost – ahead of even America – is to the islamofascists.)

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Schweet! Time for a dip in the lake. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Landrieu has voted for Obamacare, stimulus, and gun control, among other items on the Obama agenda. She seems remarkably out of step with her constituents.

‘Cause she’s not the only one in LA that’s clueless. :) But the political ground beneath her feet has shifted somewhat since Katrina.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Wollys badassed XL250R enduro,, 31 years old is chomping up the dirt roads around Tucson.

1982. great bike. Little old lady owned it.(seriously)

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:58 PM

The Egyptian army has the right idea.

Time to put an end to the Muslim Brotherhood one way or another:

dogsoldier on August 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

This…

Seven Percent Solution on August 18, 2013 at 8:59 PM

^ Correct behavior.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Yep. No Doubt.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Sorry — disenfranchised comment above. Was re.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/08/senator-mary-landrieu-is-clueless.html

via @SophieRo3.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

It’s. Hard to visit the Whitehouse when you’re dead.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Or a normal tax paying American.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

[L]egitimate grievances duly noted, the Brotherhood is still not the Nazi party. It may be a foul religious right movement, but it did not abolish democracy or drive the opposition underground.

Of course the MB doesn’t have to drive the opposition underground. They murder Coptic Christian children in the streets, burn the homes and churches of Coptics to the ground, kidnap and execute Coptic priests, burn Christian orphanages, parade nuns through the streets, etc., etc., etc.

Oh yeah, the MB is a lovely, caring bunch of people; not at all like the Nazi party. In fact, they make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

/

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

It’s. Hard to visit the Whitehouse when you’re dead.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Its a really short list.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Yep. No Doubt.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Not like this woosy crap:

“. . . bishop?”

:) More like HawkDriver landing in a parking lot, jumping out and shouting, “YEAH! I’M HERE BIXES!”

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

You really think? She’s changed of the turf changed?

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Lolz! Hawk was around earlier taking it to em as always. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Oh yeah, the MB is a lovely, caring bunch of people; not at all like the Nazi party. In fact, they make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

/

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I don’t call them the MoFoBros for nothing!

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Good Evening! Didn’t mean to be in your way today with the Sow. Nice tip on the Werk. Went back to the thread. I know him by his priors now. Thanks. Great memory! Lolz! ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

they make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

/

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I don’t call them the MoFoBros for nothing!

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Well-deserved, and for which I applaud you. (There are other names to call them, but I’d be banned from HA forevermore.)

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Schweet! Time for a dip in the lake. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Or should that read concrete? No matter congrats! Bishop will never read this.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:10 PM

How does barky spin this? Seems quite the dillemma.

I’ve never seen such an effed up mess. We know where his alliances are.

Don’t we?

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

This is all very confusing for me. When the insurgency began in Iraq, it was mostly controllable but the media was quick to call it a civil war. The kids in my squad were to the point where I didn’t even like them watching the news because it painted it so dire for us. And it all seemed to center on Bush’s competence as a cinc.

What the hell now? They clearly had a coup and are near civil war in Egypt and the media is without opinion as to who’s to blame. They won’t even say Obama’s name in the same sentence as Syria and he’s sponsored an uprising there that has Al Qaeda running the show in many regions.

Everything I own I tell you for an honest media.

smoothsailing on August 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM

You really think? She’s changed of the turf changed?

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

The turf’s changed.

Lolz! Hawk was around earlier taking it to em as always. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Really? Haven’t seen him around in forever. No idea why I was thinking of him. Just seemed to be the right guy to jump out of a helicopter and shout. He sprayed an anonymous machine gun into the blarney sky in the first draft — was a bit much. :)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:15 PM

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

And “HAH!!” was such a great way to experience that moment. Adds just so much to the debate.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Well. I will be dipped in shit.

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I knew you could do it sir. :)

arnold ziffel on August 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Sending Johnny Mc and Lindsey over there was the kiss of death…what we really need is another speech by Dear Leader…heal the earth and lower the oceans kind of stuff.

d1carter on August 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

RWM- remind me, where did the MB originate?

Sumthang to do with Germans.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I wonder if Dear Leader is consulting with Huma Weiner…?

d1carter on August 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

How does barky spin this? Seems quite the dillemma.

I’ve never seen such an effed up mess. We know where his alliances are.

Don’t we?

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Yep, we surely do.

Barky’s too busy living the high life to give a c*ap.

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:22 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Good Evening! Didn’t mean to be in your way today with the Sow. Nice tip on the Werk. Went back to the thread. I know him by his priors now. Thanks. Great memory! Lolz! ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Oh no, I was enjoying you climbing around in his empty skull. The Werk is not fit for humankind.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I had a pg 3 Bishop once.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

My first Bishop.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Congrats!

KCB on August 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

RWM- remind me, where did the MB originate?

Sumthang to do with Germans.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

IIRC, it was founded in Egypt by Hassan al-Banna, who was a friend and colleague of The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and ‘Hitler’s Imam,’ Haj Amin al-Husseini, who himself was the uncle of Yasser Arafat. Arafat was born in Egypt.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Meanwhile there’s in your face golf. Everyday.

While I go to work. I’d like to kick him in his balls.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM

RWM- remind me, where did the MB originate?

Sumthang to do with Germans.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Here Wolly, read KJ’s take from this AM.
Good piece.

http://kingsjester.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-war-against-christianity-the-slaughter-of-the-coptic-christians/

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I had a pg 3 Bishop once.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:25 PM

“A supermodel once accidentally sipped from my beer.”

/

:)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

B9, I emailed you to your new addy. Never heard back from you. Maybe I used the wrong email.

So, how the “h” are you?

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

RWM- remind me, where did the MB originate?

Sumthang to do with Germans.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Here Wolly, read KJ’s take from this AM.
Good piece.

http://kingsjester.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-war-against-christianity-the-slaughter-of-the-coptic-christians/

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

There she is!

Btw, Kim Roy just shoved a boot up Werk’s a$$. Boooya!

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Hitlers Imam you say? The Muslim bros?

Does spooky dude know this? Soros?

I don’t know the connections,, I only suggest they exist.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I got your email and wrote back…but didn’t hear back from you. :]
Nice to see you good lady!

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

(whispers) b9!

KCB on August 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Evenin’!
Some news on the Wally front: I work30-32 a week and am listed as part-time ‘status’. Today, my AM offered me 40 hours a week. That’s still considered part-time because full-time requires an official change of status-because there are only limited full-time billets.
IF there’s an ava. full-time spot open in produce…it’s mine.
Most people want FT because of the insurance-but I get insurance through the mister’s job. I WANT FT because FTimers get more vacay and bigger bonuses. Even if I don’t get the ‘bump’-it’s still basically an ‘atta girl’ from management. I’ll take it.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Sending you a test email. Let me know if you get it.

Miss you.

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Just shot you a test email~

Hi Ken!

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Hitlers Imam you say? The Muslim bros?

Does spooky dude know this? Soros?

I don’t know the connections,, I only suggest they exist.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Read: Islamic Naziism

It’s all there.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

LOL

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Sweet! Hi Barb!

KCB on August 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

https://twitter.com/SophieRo3

^ Check out all creepy Islam Nazi salutes. She’s cranking them.

Have to flip her off. As a switch, I mean. Turn her off. No, never want to turn her off either . . . I just mean close the window.

Damn English. I MEAN THE LANGUAGE.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Admitting that others may have greater information or insight I still back the military and hope they eradicate the MB.

Mason on August 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

O, NVM.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 9:44 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on August 18, 2013 at 9:41 PM

ALT, give them the famous *glare*.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Grannydee..sent another

starts with b9
Check your spam box

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

http://kingsjester.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-war-against-christianity-the-slaughter-of-the-coptic-christians/

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 9:31 PM

WOW!!! That’s a great article by KJ. Thanks for the link, my friend.

GrannyDee on August 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

There I added my two cents. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:49 PM

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