America in decline: Navy halts early morning liquor sales

posted at 2:01 pm on August 18, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I guess my perspective is a bit jaded, having been in the Navy back in the day when heavy drinking was not only allowed, but frequently looked upon as a badge of honor. Nobody complained if you went out “steaming” every night as long as you showed up for morning inspection (or your next watch) on time and with your uniform in good order. But it seems that even our most ancient maritime traditions are destined to fall in the Era of Correct Thinking. The Navy will shortly begin cutting back on the hours when you can pick up a bottle of hooch on base. (H/T James Joyner.)

On the world’s largest naval base, sailors can pull into a gas station and buy a bottle of liquor before sunrise.

But as the Navy works to curb alcohol abuse in a push reduce sexual assaults and other crimes, the days of picking up a bottle of Kahlua along with a cup of coffee are coming to an end.

The Navy’s top admiral has ordered a series of changes to the way the Navy sells booze. Chief among them, the Navy will stop selling liquor at its mini marts and prohibit the sale of alcohol at any of its stores from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

“It’s not going to fix everything, but it is a real step in the right direction,” said David Jernigan, Johns Hopkins University’s director of the Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth.

This looks like window dressing, hastily installed as a reactionary measure to all of the bad press coming out of the very serious problems of sexual assault currently in the news and being debated on the hill. In fact, the article goes on to cite a statistic from an unnamed study finding that “55 percent of Navy women said they or the offender had consumed alcohol before unwanted sexual contact.” The problem of sexual assault has to be dealt with, but let’s be honest here… if you take a poll of people leaving somebody else’s apartment at seven in the morning wearing the same clothes they had on when they went out the night before, I’m guessing alcohol was involved in more than 55% of all sexual contact, wanted or otherwise.

The military needs to deal with this problem, but even if they do think that alcohol is somehow the underlying evil here, do we really think that making sailors wait until six in the morning to get that next bottle of vodka is going to impact it? Alcohol abuse is an issue with young people and the military is no exception. But as they note, education programs have already cut “alcohol related violations” by roughly 20% and DUI’s nearly in half just since 2007. They might want to treat these as two separate issues and stop with the essentially meaningless PR moves like these.


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Obviously sexual assault is a problem in the Federal militay. I think this is a good idea:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/us/in-debate-over-military-sexual-assault-men-are-overlooked-victims.html?pagewanted=all

I think the Federal military’s new motto should be “we rape more men before 9 am than most prison inmates do all day”

antifederalist on August 18, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Sexual assault is a problem wherever it occurs. To suggest that it happens more in the military than in civilian society is a flat-out lie.

gryphon202 on August 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Men should boycott joining the military. The nonsense pulled if a woman says boo is abominable. Men are considered guilty immediately, and probably 99% of the claims are false. The vast majority of the charges stem from arguments, and women are more than well aware that if they accuse a male of abuse it is believed and the man is arrested, even when the woman recants it can still ruin his career, and is difficult to get expunged.

Keep in mind, women will often call every legal office in the region, regardless of branch of military, have a short discussion, and the man will be banned from using those legal offices due to “conflict of interest”, just a phone call. The military is completely aware of this abuse, and do nothing to stop it.

Men should boycott the military.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

There is not a thing you’ve said about drunks that isn’t true about any other drug addict of any stripe. Insofar as your hatred of drinking is personal, I’m sorry. But my limited sympathy for you won’t change my view of the fact that doing what is fashionable is more important to you than doing what is right.

gryphon202 on August 18, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Even more true. Addiction is the problem. Gambling, Video Games, Sex, Drug, Alcohol, religion. The result is the same in the end, the means just slightly differs.
Addiction should be read as lack of personal responsibility. As outside of a few mental diseases which inhibit the person from exorcising self control, all addiction is just an unwillingness to self regulate ones own actions.
I have always been told I am a Mountain Dew addict. I drink 2 cans of it a day, used to be two 2 liters a day pre and during military minus the period of Boot Camp and some deployments. But it had nothing to do with addiction, just like people who like to eat fish or a specific drink or anything else with their food. Addiction means it controls you. I have had less than one can in the last 3 months. rarely think about it. The wife drinks it, it is in the fridge right now, my favorite flavor even.
I used to drink, heavily, now it is one or two times a year I get the urge to do so. A nice mixed drink, I like Chambord. Again, not an addiction. It never controlled my life, I used it for exactly the purpose I wanted it for. When it no longer served a purpose, it was set aside.
Addiction is nothing more than lack of personal character. It is a character flaw in people that should not be trivialized into a term that makes it not their fault.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Men should boycott joining the military. The nonsense pulled if a woman says boo is abominable. Men are considered guilty immediately, and probably 99% of the claims are false. The vast majority of the charges stem from arguments, and women are more than well aware that if they accuse a male of abuse it is believed and the man is arrested, even when the woman recants it can still ruin his career, and is difficult to get expunged.

Keep in mind, women will often call every legal office in the region, regardless of branch of military, have a short discussion, and the man will be banned from using those legal offices due to “conflict of interest”, just a phone call. The military is completely aware of this abuse, and do nothing to stop it.

Men should boycott the military.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Oh, all this from the guy who admitted to throwing a cat against a wall and laughing about it walking off all funny.
GFY, you pos.
yeah, I have a GREAT memory.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

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Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Coming soon to an America near you.

Sadly enough……

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Rape only happens from 10 pm to 6 am and only because you’re drunk. /s

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Men should boycott the military.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

We should abandon the last bastion of conservatism in the Government? When the left has the military, as they do the police, then you will see their true face.

DFCtomm on August 18, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Oh, all this from the guy who admitted to throwing a cat against a wall and laughing about it walking off all funny.
GFY, you pos.
yeah, I have a GREAT memory.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Seriously? Thanks for the info, HS. There are just too many DBs on the interwebs.

What a f-ing hero.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Oh, all this from the guy who admitted to throwing a cat against a wall and laughing about it walking off all funny.
GFY, you pos.
yeah, I have a GREAT memory.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Seriously? Thanks for the info, HS. There are just too many DBs on the interwebs.

What a f-ing hero.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Actually, I hate cats with a passion. X1 had a cat that for whatever reason hated me, I never did anything to earn it’s hatred, but whatever, soon the feeling became mutual. Once while I was finishing up the dishes and cleaning the counter the X’s cat attacked my hand.

I retaliated by kicking it, HARD. While it was splayed, and in my anger, I heaved it out of the window. Not realizing how close the apartments were, I un-intentionally threw it into the wall next door. This saddened me a bit, and I actually felt sorry as it staggered around punch drunk. But to my satisfaction the beast never returned.

This isn’t meant to be humorous, it is simply intended to explain my hatred for the beasts.

Rode Werk on April 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM

No problem.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Addiction is nothing more than lack of personal character. It is a character flaw in people that should not be trivialized into a term that makes it not their fault.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Addiction is a character flaw in a sense, but alcohol and other drugs physiologically change the way the brain releases certain natural chemicals. I’m of the view certain other ‘addictions’ like to porn, gambling, video games, etc. are strictly psychological. I would agree those are fully flaws in a person’s character.

In any case, addicts of any stripe don’t get excuses. It’s tougher for some to beat dependence than it is for others, but it can be done. A person has to want to stop, and learn ways to clean up his/her character to stay clean.

Liam on August 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Addiction is nothing more than lack of personal character. It is a character flaw in people that should not be trivialized into a term that makes it not their fault.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

It’s not as cut and dried. Look at advertisements that cater to the more weak in our society. How about the beer ones on TV that show a glamorous night out that only comes with drinking. People believe that nonsense, start drinking and there it goes.

Is that a character flaw once someone is addicted – we have two or three generations who have been liberalized in their formative years, of which debauchery and egoism was primary.

I understand the personal responsibility aspect, but in a lot of cases these people do not understand personal responsibility as it has never been introduced to them. Can you blame them for not knowing, just as blame someone for not speaking English if they’ve never heard it before?

I prefer to blame the liberals for it, for not preparing generations for personal responsibility, hard times, hard decisions, unfairness.

Off my soapbox now. ;)

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Addiction is nothing more than lack of personal character. It is a character flaw in people that should not be trivialized into a term that makes it not their fault.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

‘Cuz the DTs are a Psy-Ops programme or something.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Men should boycott the military.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I went through the same things with racism. Should all whites boycott the military as well and not defend the nation they hold dear? I was attacked daily by this guy who assumed control over my audio video system to play crap ass rap with constant barrages against whitey and crackers while watching nonstop porn. My equipment mind, and my room, I invited him to share my room because he had trouble living in the open barracks and I RATED my own room. It did not start immediately, but over a period of a couple months he started increasing hostility towards me. Eventually calling me a white ass honky, cracker and many other code words as epithets for my race. When I went back to command to change my mind about allowing him to remain in my room and telling them the goings on he said one thing and made it all about me. I supposedly called him the N-Word.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Cat just knew. Hope it found someone to take care of it.

I hope this person dies alone and in pain.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

‘Cuz the DTs are a Psy-Ops programme or something.

Resist We Much on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

They are not something that prevents you from asserting control over your life. They are real. But we are not talking about physical addictions here. We are talking about emotional self imposed addictions. No amount of DTs is enough to stop a morally good person with good self control from ending the control a substance has over themselves. Only the weak and self indulgent are held hostage to a little suffering while they detox. This mentality that addiction is controlling the person is a false narrative that the progressives put out there in order to shift the blame from their favored classes of citizens, the needy ones.
It was not my fault, I was addicted and had no self control! Waaaaaa! Grow up and exert the self control!

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:55 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Cat just knew. Hope it found someone to take care of it.

I hope this person dies alone and in pain.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Yep. My man doesn’t get his kicks hurting animals.
I hope he’s in pain right now. And, alone.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM

One of these years we’ll have a completely gelded military.

As our enemies laugh at the U.S. Eunuch Corps while they hold Diversity Day and Drag Week in the face of a deadly-serious totally un-P.C. Chinese, Russian and Jihadist Combo of mortal threats.

The sober, sexually neutered LGBT Dream will please the pandering pimps and wimps in power, -and lose the nation.

profitsbeard on August 18, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Looks like the Navy has joined the Army in being PC wimps. One of my fondest memories was of my platoon sergeant drunkenly falling out of a whorehouse window in Southeast Asia (a shack set on stilts)on top of a sleeping pig. I guess from now on it will be lemonade and Mrs. Field’s cookies and ‘sensitivity training’ classes.

MaiDee on August 18, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I prefer to blame the liberals for it, for not preparing generations for personal responsibility, hard times, hard decisions, unfairness.

Off my soapbox now. ;)

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:48 PM

That is actually part of what I was getting at with my argument. That lack of developed character in our society is fueling the “addiction” aspect of our world. By buying into the term “addiction” you are effectively allowing them to keep the responsibility off the individual.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I hope this person dies alone and in pain.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

He will.

Solaratov on August 18, 2013 at 5:04 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Wow, let’s go over the problems here:

abusive personality
complete lack of self control
follow-through with physical abuse
pride in abusive action

…because he was too much of a vag-hole to stand a little clawing and/or biting.

James on August 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I think this thread has been catducted.

DFCtomm on August 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I think this thread has been catducted.

DFCtomm on August 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM

You can only say nanny state so many ways.
But, anytime the vag-hole shows up, I like to remind everyone.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Rode werk,, I think I’ll remember that name. Sick phuck, that one.

wolly4321 on August 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I can’t complain, since I do the very same thing to Capitalist Hog and his porn enjoyment comment.

DFCtomm on August 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I can’t complain, since I do the very same thing to Capitalist Hog and his porn enjoyment comment.

DFCtomm on August 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM

He’s fond of donkeys as well. They were a very important part of his childhood, what, with his mom’s occupation.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Alcoholics are either drunk or in denial. Alcoholics kill families slowly. Druggies kill themeselves. Pill users are a different story but I don’t consider them scummy, not all of them. Rush isn’t scummy and he’s a pill-addict.

Low-IQ Bleu State Jerked Porky on August 18, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Rush is still on pills? What kind?

(Starts another sundial)

As for the lie of yours that I bolded first, choke on your own Low-IQ words by reading this story from 2010:

Hawaii Man Convicted for Throwing Baby Cyrus Belt Off Bridge

HONOLULU (CBS/AP) A Hawaii man who threw 23-month-old Cyrus Belt over a highway overpass while high on meth was convicted of second degree murder Thursday.

Matthew Higa will be sentenced to life in prison. The prosecutor will ask that he has no chance of parole.

On Jan. 17, 2008, Cyrus was thrown off a bridge and onto the H-1 Freeway three stories down. A delivery truck then ran over him.

But hey, on your 5-ringed world, Druggies kill themeselves.

$100,000

Del Dolemonte on August 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Creeping secular humanist sharia.

Murphy9 on August 18, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Notice that not one of those losers successfully refuted my point?

Most states restrict alcohol purchase by time of day. Prove me wrong, idiots.

You can’t and won’t. You failed.

Capitalist Hog on August 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Oh, all this from the guy who admitted to throwing a cat against a wall and laughing about it walking off all funny.
GFY, you pos.
yeah, I have a GREAT memory.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

You claim to have a great memory, and then you lie, saying I laughed, even though I said I found it sad and felt sorry. You even have my post. You may take great faux offense at the event, but really, the lie you told is far more revealing. You are pretty creepy. You would have been better off to not repost my story and just keep on lying.

Stalking and lying about someone for almost half a decade is pretty sad, get a psychiatrist, have a wonderful life.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

cap hog needs to go away HOT AIR.

scookam on August 18, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Notice that not one of those losers successfully refuted my point?

Most states restrict alcohol purchase by time of day. Prove me wrong, idiots.

You can’t and won’t. You failed.

Capitalist Hog on August 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If that’s your point, that the military should be willing to restrict alcohol sales on the same basis the states do, DEBATE SKILLS FAIL. You couldn’t have come up with a bigger non-sequitur.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice exists precisely because the military operates under a different set of rules than civilian society. The premise of “the states do it so it makes sense for the military to do it” is one that I can reject out-of-hand, you chest-puffing blustery fool. Did you ever even actually serve?

gryphon202 on August 18, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Oh, all this from the guy who admitted to throwing a cat against a wall and laughing about it walking off all funny.
GFY, you pos.
yeah, I have a GREAT memory.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

You claim to have a great memory, and then you lie, saying I laughed, even though I said I found it sad and felt sorry. You even have my post. You may take great faux offense at the event, but really, the lie you told is far more revealing. You are pretty creepy. You would have been better off to not repost my story and just keep on lying.

Stalking and lying about someone for almost half a decade is pretty sad, get a psychiatrist, have a wonderful life.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

You’re funny. Go spit, pos.

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Stalking and lying about someone for almost half a decade is pretty sad, get a psychiatrist, have a wonderful life.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Nevermind that as it’s totally irrelevant. Let’s go back to YOUR words:

- cat always quite rightly hated you.
- attacked you, but that’s YOUR interpretation. Cats are interesting and strange and might have been playing, but because you are a loser it’s entirely possible you misinterpreted its behavior.
- you kicked it by your own admission HARD
- then after that you picked it up and threw it against a wall
- feeling sad (was it more because you’d have to explain to someone why their cat was now a wall decoration with a bootprint embedded in it?), but also happy it was gone

So. We have no idea if the cat died of its injuries or was so hurt that it turned out to be preyed on further by another animal or another kindred spirit of yours. We can only hope that someone kind found it and helped it.

It would also be interesting to know how you explained the sudden disappearance of someone’s pet.

FOAD, abuser.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

That is actually part of what I was getting at with my argument. That lack of developed character in our society is fueling the “addiction” aspect of our world. By buying into the term “addiction” you are effectively allowing them to keep the responsibility off the individual.

astonerii on August 18, 2013 at 4:59 PM

But can you teach personal responsibility at this point? I’m not sure anymore.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Stalking and lying about someone for almost half a decade is pretty sad, get a psychiatrist, have a wonderful life.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Nevermind that as it’s totally irrelevant. Let’s go back to YOUR words:

- cat always quite rightly hated you.
- attacked you, but that’s YOUR interpretation. Cats are interesting and strange and might have been playing, but because you are a loser it’s entirely possible you misinterpreted its behavior.
- you kicked it by your own admission HARD
- then after that you picked it up and threw it against a wall
- feeling sad (was it more because you’d have to explain to someone why their cat was now a wall decoration with a bootprint embedded in it?), but also happy it was gone

So. We have no idea if the cat died of its injuries or was so hurt that it turned out to be preyed on further by another animal or another kindred spirit of yours. We can only hope that someone kind found it and helped it.

It would also be interesting to know how you explained the sudden disappearance of someone’s pet.

FOAD, abuser.

kim roy on August 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Yeah!

HornetSting on August 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Allah was on the thread, I went back and looked. You described the event quite accurately. Frankly I wasn’t even gonna say anything to you. Until you came back. That you don’t seem to realize what you did is inexcusable. Lame actually. Weak. Had you shown some remorse…….but you don’t. No denying what you said, what you did. If any here on this board need to seek help. Its you, its Sow, you seem equally as cowardly. Yep Allah was there. Had it been me, the hammer would have fallen. You lucked up. Have a little class and make amends.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

have a wonderful life.

Rode Werk on August 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

…don’t think…you have had…or will!…thank you very much!………….and your last name is wrong!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I hereby decree:

No more midnight shifts for our armed forces

-O’Bozo

WryTrvllr on August 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Great article

api on August 19, 2013 at 8:13 AM

No liquor sales after 10 pm? That’s stupid — it will just encourage sailors to drive off-base, possibly to a bar or tavern instead of a convenience store.

J Baustian on August 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

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