Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on August 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Egypt is facing “war by the forces of extremism” and will confront it with “security measures within the framework of law,” Mostafa Hegazy, adviser to Egypt’s interim president said.

Hundreds of people have been killed in political violence this week in clashes between security forces and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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When I went to the Al-Nada camp earlier this week, one of the occupiers delivered this summary message in Arabic, “Anti-coup; restore Morsy; down with Christians.” Not surprisingly for the media savvy Muslim Brotherhood, the huge banners in English above the entrance to the camp proclaimed the first two items, but not the third…

This steady drumbeat of media attacks on both the “terrorist” Muslim Brotherhood camps and on anyone who questions their eradication has produced a climate of dehumanization, reflected in the widespread acceptance of the military regime’s violent attack.

In a shrewd move, Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi, Egypt’s military ruler, called citizens into the street weeks ago to support his fight against “potential terrorism.” Hundreds of thousands or people, including revolutionaries and liberals, heeded his call, making Tahrir square — bizarrely — the locus of an anti-Morsy, pro-military love fest. The outpouring of support insulated Sisi from domestic criticism of the brutal crackdown that followed.

***

In a vibrant shopping district in central Cairo, people heap praise on Egypt’s military. The military that overthrew Morsi after millions took to the streets to demand his ouster. The military that appointed this new government. And the cabinet that ordered a crackdown so brutal that there were too many bodies for the state to process in a timely manner…

On state television anchors read out the news. A constant tag in the corner is written in English: “EGYPT FIGHTING TERORRISM.”…

“We will not necessarily see a civil war, but what we’re seeing right now is probably a state of social aggression that the Islamic movement has never known before in Egypt,” [analyst Ziad Aki] says…

Armed vigilantes are roaming neighborhoods and clashing with Muslim Brotherhood supporters. Some among the pro-Brotherhood protesters are also armed.

***

“It’s very troubling,” said Ahmed Maher, founder of the April 6 movement which helped to ignite the 2011 anti-Mubarak uprising fuelled by anger at police brutality. “They are trying to present the police as angels.”…

While fear of the police appeared to have been smashed by the 2011 uprising, rights activists say there has been no real reform of the institution since Mubarak’s day. Both the army-led government that replaced him and the Mursi administration were faulted for failing to enact any reforms.

Allegations of police torture and excessive use of force have not eased, and fears are now growing that the force has a new license to crack down on political opponents…

“Mubarak’s days were the best, there was security then. It’s good that now there’s more police in the street,” said Faten Kafrawi, 37, speaking at her tea stall in Tahrir Square.

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Via Gallup:

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“There is a real possibility of civil war,” said one senior U.S. official briefed on the intelligence. “There is a dangerous possibility Egypt goes the way of Syria.”…

U.S. officials and regional diplomats say the nightmare scenario would be a civil war in Egypt that creates a crescent-shaped arc of instability from Syria and Lebanon to Iraq, Egypt and Libya. Israeli officials have told their American counterparts that, if Egypt succumbs to violence, an already fragile Jordan could be next, jeopardizing the Jewish state’s last stable border and its buffer zone with Iran.

While U.S. intelligence officials don’t expect the Muslim Brotherhood to mount an organized insurgency in Egypt, radicals within the group could go underground and launch attacks. Some radical Islamists in Egypt who fought in Iraq during the U.S. occupation have returned home, where they could wreak havoc, officials say.

Moreover, a stockpile of arms lies in neighboring Libya, a country in which the security situation is spiraling downward in similar fashion. That impedes the ability of the Libyan government to lock down the arsenal accumulated by the late Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

***

There is only one way forward in Egypt today. The legitimate government must be restored. Only then can we hold talks for a national reconciliation with every option on the table.

The reinstatement of Mr. Morsi is not about ideology or ego. It is not political grandstanding. It is not a negotiating tactic. It is a pragmatic necessity.

Without this crucial step, without accountability for those responsible for the bloodshed and chaos facing Egypt today, none of the promises of inclusion, democracy, liberty or life can be guaranteed.

What the United States ultimately decides to do with its diplomatic relations or foreign aid is President Obama’s decision. But Americans need to recognize that every passing day solidifies the perception among Egyptians that American rhetoric on democracy is empty; that American politicians won’t hesitate to flout their own laws or subvert their declared values for short-term political gains; and that when it comes to freedom, justice and human dignity, Muslims need not apply.

***

There is no democracy in Egypt, and never has been, and never will be until there are institutions to put it in place and people to ensure their proper working. No such institutions exist, and potential democrats are found, if at all, in a few think-tanks or Western universities. Identical in their pursuit of power, the army and the Muslim Brothers differ only in why they want power and what they will do with it. Elections, constitutions, law courts, are instruments of control disconnected from popular consent.

General Sisi and the Muslim Brothers are equally able to muster enough numbers for the test of strength that will give victory to one or the other. That’s how these politics were done when the military put down the Islamists in Algeria. That’s how it’s being done now in Syria and shows signs of happening in Iraq and Lebanon. Power-sharing is inconceivable, mere wishful thinking, in the circumstances. It is time for fear and pity.

***

Pace the secretary of state, Egypt has never had a democracy, so there is no “restoring” it. Pragmatically speaking, the country has two alternatives: (a) a rapid resort to popular elections, which are certain, once again, to empower Islamic supremacists (who have proved, in election after election, that they appeal to a significant majority of the populace); or (b) military rule through an appointed technocratic government. The former would crush any hope for real democracy. The latter, at least potentially, could force a new consensus constitution that requires equality under the law and respect for minority rights; that delays popular elections until secular democrats are better positioned to compete with Islamic supremacists; and that requires convincing acceptance of the new constitution and renunciation of violence as a precondition to participation in elections.

It might take a number of years, and the Egyptian military — like Turkey’s Kemalist army before it was gutted by Erdogan — would have to make clear its determination to uphold minority rights. But if we really care about promoting democracy, the coup against Morsi is Egypt’s only hope. Rule by the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies leads to tyranny; the army’s removal of the Brotherhood government is a chance — and only a chance — for Egypt to stabilize, recover, and eventually prosper. It is a shame that there is any doubt about what side America is on.

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All of the efforts of the United States government, all the cajoling, the veiled threats, the high-level envoys from Washington and the 17 personal phone calls by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, all of it failed to forestall the worst political bloodletting in modern Egyptian history. The generals in Cairo felt free to stiff the Americans first on the prisoner release and then on the statement in a cold-eyed calculation that they would not pay a significant cost — a conclusion bolstered when President Obama responded by canceling a joint military exercise but not $1.5 billion in aid.

For Mr. Obama, the violent crackdown has left him in a no-win position: risk a partnership that has been the bedrock of Middle East peace for 35 years, or stand by while longtime allies try to hold on to power by mowing down opponents. From one side, he has been lobbied by the Israelis, Saudis and other Arab allies to go easy on the generals in the interest of thwarting what they see as the larger and more insidious Islamist threat. From the other, he has been urged by an unusual mix of conservatives and liberals to stand more forcefully against the sort of autocracy that has been a staple of Egyptian life for decades…

Mr. McCain and Mr. Graham arrived in Cairo amid increasing tensions. They went first to see Ambassador Anne Patterson. “You could see it on her face, that nobody’s listening,” Mr. Graham said…

“The million-dollar question now,” said one American military officer, “is where is the threshold of violence for cutting ties?”

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Meanwhile, the Egyptian military has good reason to believe it can defy the Obama administration’s wishes with little to no consequences. After they deposed Morsi, the State Department declared they would not make a judgment as to whether it was a coup, allowing the U.S. government to avoid triggering a law that would have mandated a cutoff of military aid.

“That taught the Egyptian military that we need them more than they need us and that we will not even enforce our own law,” said Elliott Abrams, who served as deputy national security adviser to President George W. Bush focusing on Middle East issues…

“We allegedly have influence but we never used the lever of the influence; so as a result we don’t have any,” Cook said…

“Leverage is like your muscles,” Katulis said. “If you don’t exercise them every once in a while, you lose them.”

***

The post-coup government in Egypt did not have to endure much real pressure from the international community, and in fact got some positive support in the form of big loans from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, not to mention U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry publicly stating that the military government was “restoring democracy.” One could certainly argue that refusing to call the coup a coup was a form of implicit support, deliberate or not. And then, what do you know, the post-coup government appears to be moving toward autocracy rather than democracy.

The U.S. decision on whether or not to call what happened in Egypt a “coup” was far from the only factor determining how the Egyptian military would behave over the past month. In fact, it probably wasn’t even in the top 10 most important factors; the generals care a lot more about what’s happening domestically. Still, it is a factor, and you have to wonder how things might have played out differently had the U.S. decided to use the “do we call it a coup” decision to assert some outward pressure on the post-coup government.

***

Beijing may enter the lists yet. There’s an almost palpable power vacuum in the Middle East with Washington out to lunch. Time headlines “Egypt’s Nightmare Scenario Draws Nearer,” and illustrates the story with President Barack Obama making a statement on the situation in Egypt … from the driveway of his vacation house in Martha’s Vineyard.

Obama has become a spectator of his own presidency

All the demands that America “do something in Egypt” are really preconditioned on one unstated assumption: that Washington itself knows what to do. That used to be a reasonable assumption; it is not any more.

***

Egypt’s military’s crackdown has made Obama look powerless on the international stage, and raised criticism of his Middle East policy…

“People on different sides – whether it’s Arab governments or opposition groups – don’t take the U.S. seriously,” said Shadi Hamid, the director of research for the Brookings Doha Center who has lived in the region for the past four years and was in Egypt this week. “There is a widespread perception that Obama is a weak, feckless leader. That’s not just Republican talking points – it’s what people here in the region actually think and say on a regular basis.”

Hamid said there’s an “emerging consensus that Obama has gotten the Middle East wrong” because he’s convinced the United States only has limited power to shape events in the region. As a result, Hamid told The Hill, Obama missed a chance to embrace the Arab Spring by strongly opposing Bahrain’s crackdown on protesters, intervening early on in Syria’s uprising against Bashar Assad and labeling Morsi’s ouster a coup.

“It sends a very dangerous message if the U.S. is not even willing to respect its own law on matters of national security,” Hamid said. “The fact that we can’t call things what they are makes us a laughing-stock in the region. That’s why people don’t care about what Obama says and his rhetoric.”

***

Obama looks like a president in full flight from a world that looks nothing like what he imagined when he took office. The president saw himself soothing U.S. relations with Muslim nations while gently extracting U.S. troops from Iraq and focusing his energy on other regions and issues: Asia; nuclear arms control; Israeli-Palestinian peace. What he got was an epochal upheaval in the very place from which he had hoped to disengage…

The Arab revolutions demand bold initiatives from the United States and any other outside power seeking to influence their outcome. Airstrikes to break the Syrian military would have been one; a cutoff of military aid to Egypt would have been another. But in foreign policy, Obama is a president of half-measures, of endless internal debates followed by split-the-difference presidential decisions that serve no one’s strategy. Instead of an intervention in Syria that might make a difference, token shipments of arms are being sent to the rebels; instead of a decisive break with Egypt’s out-of-control generals, a pointless exercise is called off…

Obama may have meant to retire the doctrine of the United States as the world’s “indispensible nation.” Instead, the disastrous results of his persistent passivity may lead to its revival.

***

But this returns us to the question of how much influence the United States could have, regardless of our continued largesse and tolerance. It’s a big question that some political scientist should research: Do the accoutrements of a military alliance—all the money and aid and networking—buy influence for a large power? Do the old techniques of (let’s not mince words) bribery still work in an era when the global system has fractured and smaller powers have lots of options? We’ve devoted hundreds of billions of dollars to the survival of Nouri al-Maliki’s regime in Iraq and Hamid Karzai’s in Afghanistan. But that hasn’t kept them from spitting in our eye when it’s in their perceived interests to do so.

During the Cold War, Sadat abided by U.S. interests as a necessity. He needed aid and comfort from one of the two superpowers, and he’d just deserted the other’s camp for ours. Now, the Egyptian generals don’t have to kowtow; they can pursue their own interests, and go their own way when their interests conflict with ours. This is the case, despite all the years that they spent at American war colleges, learning American war doctrine and consorting with American generals. It’s the case, despite the pleas for restraint from Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the daily phone calls to the same effect from Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel.

It may well be that our influence—or lack thereof—will be the same, regardless of whether we keep aiding the Egyptian military. If it’s unclear what course of action will best serve U.S. interests, maybe that leaves a clear path to pursue U.S. values instead.

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For Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Have to agree with you there Axe. Honey, Peanut Butter. Sometimes easy bake toasted. Just hits that spot perfectly. Not tonight though. Guinness

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

More than life

Murphy9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

That Old Feeling

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Yes?

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:16 AM

2 from Murphy’s Law:

“Attack of the Killer Beers”

“Bong”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

For Axefellow. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:14 AM

My pen is inadequate. :) Also for Scrumpy. Special exists, whatever it is.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Just overed it…but J beat me :)

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Just overed it…but J beat me :)

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

snooze = lose :)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Very kind of you Schad,thank you. ((hug))

Nice faves. Armstrong was amazing.
If only there was a time machine-be awesome
to sit in a smoky little place and drink that in live.
Can’t imagine.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:15 AM

See, I particularly like that, clean sound. ; )

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM

I Had The Craziest Dream – James/Forrest

:)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM

If only there was a time machine-be awesome
to sit in a smoky little place and drink that in live.
Can’t imagine.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

O wow

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:17 AM

It lies in a combination of awareness…and uniqueness.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Haha. Dear RWM, Axe is tongue tied. (:

Hey I missed B9 again?

I knocked myself out trampolining and missed B9.

Those low ceilings get me every time.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Coincidence? lol!

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Coincidence? lol!

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

I don’t believe in coincidence. :)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

R. Cade and the Video Victims – “Ms. Pac-Man”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:04 AM

rofl..Those were really bad 80′s tunes for sure..:)

Dire Straits on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Last Night – I Had The Strangest Dream……..

ya….pedal steel….

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

If only there was a time machine-

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Coincidence? lol!

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

–decrypt: excellent and amazing b9, was talking to Jackie about time travel this afternoon. :)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM

*waves*
Still here mi hombre muy guapo.
Watch out..axe is luring me with cheeto’s..

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I don’t believe in coincidence. :)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Me neither…..Carl Jung told me so… I believe in Synchronicity…..

For those who don’t know Carl:

syn·chro·nic·i·ty
/ˌsiNGkrəˈnisitē/

Noun

The simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

I’m a visitor from the future here to kill anyone who invents a time machine right before they invent it.

If I kill them after they invent it I would have to go back in time to unkill them and then go back in time again to kill them before they invent it.

You can’t kill the same person twice. Unless someone invents a special machine.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

. . . can this place get any more metaphysical? I mean, without the TARDIS materializing and Satan jumping out.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Well that durdy rat. I’ll have to weld his bucket slit shut. Then he can only have slurpys with a straw through his nose hole and he would get a brain freeze.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Well that durdy rat. I’ll have to weld his bucket slit shut. Then he can only have slurpys with a straw through his nose hole and he would get a brain freeze.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:29 AM

^ THIS from the guy that jumps into RWM’s lap every time I go to the kitchen.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Everyone is special or no one is? Is that what you said, Axe?

And, keep you pants on, dummy.

Striving is something, you have never done. In context of musicale this evening.
Juxtapose, SRV with Steely Dan, Can’t, right? No, you can’t. Different entities.
So?

Should we believe that everyone is inordinately talented?
Do some of our good souls work a hell of a lot harder than others?
Is musical genus, given, earned, or stolen?

C’mon Axe, tell us. SRV, for example.
I’ll come and slap you for saying a single thing wrong for all his torments.
This is musical bliss, I defy you.
Tightrope

And I’m a big fan of Vai and Beck among others. Stevie had ‘it’.
Awaiting your response, Axe.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

The early bird gets the worm hole which makes him even earlier.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:25 AM

weird/cool :D

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM

I’m with Axe. There are no coincidences, just the illusions thereof. I had no idea that you talked about travel machines but told you tonight that I’d love to have had lunch with L. Armstrong )

Good night HA nightdwellers.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM

If you go on in a worm hole you can leave it before you enter.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM

I had an amazing experience the other day. I was playing a game while I waited for a phone call relevant to work… just killing a few minutes… trying to decompress before I had to talk to the other end of the call… and I got disconnected quite suddenly from the game. When I logged back into the game a few seconds later, I logged back in as a difference character. I ran out of a building, as the second character, and there was the first character…still standing there. I stopped and stared… amazed at the experience of being in two places at the same time… digitally. I walked up to the first character…and walked around the first character… looking her in the face… and then the first character slowly faded out before my eyes.

Of course… this experience has fueled a notion for a new storyline. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

rofl..Those were really [good] bad 80′s tunes for sure..:)

Dire Straits on August 18, 2013 at 1:23 AM

haha

This is genius – like a cross between “Superfreak, “Pump It Up,” and Weird Al, plus it’s really catchy! :)

Diesel – “Leader of the Pac-Man”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

The space-time continuum has huge gaps that no one knows about.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Good Night Schadenfreude, Sleep Well.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:35 AM

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

The early worm gets caught. I think that’s what you’re saying.
Just get up earlier if that’s a worm you aspire to.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Goodnight, Paladin. :) Sleep well.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Awaiting your response, Axe.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

All right. :) But give me a few minutes to think. Your posts aren’t trivial, and they take me to my edge. Anyway, give me a minute — I’ll be pacing in the kitchen.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

I think so, too. Not accounted for in M Theory, either. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Maybe we could write a Sci fi romance novel about a guy who invents a time machine to steal someone’s blog without getting put on probation.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM

I’m not sure pacing is necessary. Rudeness doesn’t merit an answer.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

The B52′s – “Planet Claire”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Nite Jackie – sleep/write well, but eat a tad in btw. :)

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Nite Bmore – stay dry and don’t float anywhere, except into your work, talents and dreams.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:41 AM

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

LOL! Excellent pitch, Spark. I think if we did embark on such a project we would need to get Axefellow and Scrumpy to collaborate. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:40 AM

LOL! Thank you, my friend. I promise, I’ll try to remember. :)

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:42 AM

I think I got a spiked Cheeto or
this thread is just bizarre. lol.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

What coincides is the fact that nothing does. Even a mirror image has a bigger half.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Good Night All.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Nite schad!
TY again.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

It sure is. Weird thread. You could blame Raj?

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:45 AM

this thread is just bizarre. lol.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Yep. Last nights was just odd. Nite b.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Still Got The Blues – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:45 AM

I think I got a spiked Cheeto or
this thread is just bizarre. lol.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

The Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black – “Do You Miss My Head”

In the movie theater or
In the bed
In the front car seat or
In the woodshed

[chorus]
Do you really miss my head? (whoo)
Do you miss my head? (whoo)
Do you really miss my head? (whoo)
Do you miss my head? (whoo)

Under a guillotine or in a
Large Mason jar
Under a stethoscope or at the
Petri dish bar
Resting on a frying pan or
Shunken on a stick
A picture in a locket or
Pressed on a guitar pick

[chorus 3x]

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Yep. Last nights was just odd. Nite b.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Oh yeah? I dipped early.
Night B.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:47 AM

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Good plan. But we would need RWM too because her blog is the one that gets stolen by the person who doesn’t get put on probation because of the nifty time machine.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:47 AM

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Friends newly acquainted, often aren’t

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:38 AM

I’m not sure pacing is necessary. Rudeness doesn’t merit an answer.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

And, that’s fine too. You folks really don’t have your thinking hats on sometimes.

Music, is for the listener. The creator of music may have to struggle less so or mightily.
My thoughts are with the creator of music. You’ve answered my question, whether I’ll get accolades or
even if I’d like them.

That is precisely why certain music tends to certain people. There is room in eternity for all the
good in music. Crowded though it may be. Then, they start fighting over nothing that is even there.
They eyes and the ears of the beholder, just like love.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:46 AM

That is fitting for tonight’s theme music.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Nite B9 – may all be well, get better, for you.

The threads have a life of their own, on many levels.

Glad you checked in.

Schadenfreude on August 18, 2013 at 1:51 AM

The*

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Me neither…..Carl Jung told me so… I believe in Synchronicity…..

For those who don’t know Carl:

syn·chro·nic·i·ty
/ˌsiNGkrəˈnisitē/

Noun

The simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

The Police – “Synchronicity 1 and 2″

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:52 AM

I think I got a spiked Cheeto or
this thread is just bizarre. lol.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:43 AM

I think I’m having some kind of flashback. :) Talk me down, man. Talk me down!

*looks suspiciously into Cheetos bag*

I’m not sure pacing is necessary. Rudeness doesn’t merit an answer.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Schizophrenic tick. Or something like it.

If only there was a time machine-be awesome
to sit in a smoky little place and drink that in live.
Can’t imagine.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM

I’m a visitor from the future here to kill anyone who invents a time machine right before they invent it.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

If you go on in a worm hole you can leave it before you enter.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:33 AM

The space-time continuum has huge gaps that no one knows about.

SparkPlug on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

amazed at the experience of being in two places at the same time… digitally. I walked up to the first character…and walked around the first character… looking her in the face… and then the first character slowly faded out before my eyes.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2013 at 1:34 AM

w h o a

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 1:52 AM

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Hey man, long time no C.
Hope all is good.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Obama may have meant to retire the doctrine of the United States as the world’s “indispensible nation.” Instead, the disastrous results of his persistent passivity may lead to its revival.

And the disastrous results of Obama’s persistent passivity will lead to his downfall…..

Tell me again why democrats keep winning??? Oh they lie, cheat and steal…..elected by liars, cheaters and thief’s…..

redguy on August 18, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Thanks, you’ve given me great insight this evening.
Will we ‘constitutional conservatives’ argue that country (70s mainstream), hillbilly, glossy whammy bar, swing, orchestral, jazz are not the same types of music, or will we be knowledgeable enough to know of music well done? Hmmm?

I’ve played some of all of it. I know zero, but I can play because I understand the underlying fundamentals. Much like conservatism of the constitutional variety.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:57 AM

That is fitting for tonight’s theme music.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:51 AM

\m/

Trevor Rabin – “Looking For A Lady (Wolfman)”

Want a backstreet lover
With a backstreet style
Want a red-headed runner
Run the four-minute mile
Want a hard-loving woman
Who knows what to say
No loudmouth teaser
With nothing to say

[chorus]
Wanna ask her
Wanna find her
Wanna look but I don’t know where
And when I find her
I’ll try and please her
I’ll try to look won’t you tell me where

Looking for a lady
Looking for a woman
Looking for a lady
I’m lookin’ for a woman

Want a sharp-tongued kisser
With lots of spice
I want a gambling lady
Who throws the dice
Want a cold-hearted hooker
With a face to match
Hard as a hammer
She’s a-hard to catch

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Everyone is special or no one is? Is that what you said, Axe?

No. But that’s an interesting thought.

And, keep you pants on, dummy.

Alas, no reason to take them off.

Striving is something, you have never done. In context of musicale this evening.
Juxtapose, SRV with Steely Dan, Can’t, right? No, you can’t. Different entities.
So?

True, Can’t, True, Yes, So:

Should we believe that everyone is inordinately talented?

I dunno.

Do some of our good souls work a hell of a lot harder than others?

Yes.

Is musical genus, given, earned, or stolen?

Given & earned.

C’mon Axe, tell us.

Just did.

SRV, for example.
I’ll come and slap you for saying a single thing wrong for all his torments.
This is musical bliss, I defy you.
Tightrope

lol — K. I have no single thing wrong to say.

And I’m a big fan of Vai and Beck among others. Stevie had ‘it’.

Agreed.

Awaiting your response, Axe.

^ Up there.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:04 AM

You know they were thinking about The Police when they wrote this!

Diesel – “The Fox”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 2:11 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Thank you, Axe.

My own personal belief about everything is this.
Be every bit of what you are. There will never need be an apology for good work.
Have fun. More and more difficult these days in the software realm.
Lemmings and the others having been beat down, I don’t get it.
Oh, they’ve tried and they failed to understand I don’t work to be aligned or in march step.

You’re welcome to do that, but I’m 30 years into creativity. I can’t sell a steak to a hungry dog, but
I know some things that can’t be taught and haven’t for years, and they are as true as they ever have been.. Safe to say that? Yep.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 2:16 AM

The Nomads – “Where The Wolf Bane Blooms”

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 2:19 AM

the closeout for Ronnie Scotts
Where were you?
Something to take home with ya.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM

The simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Postulated once that all concurrent events are independent. They must be. Take an interval that gets shorter and shorter, a slice of time that we use for “an instant.” Nothing happening within that interval can be a cause.

That’s crap, of course. But the reason why it’s crap is interesting. :)

Safe to say that? Yep.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 2:16 AM

:)

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:23 AM

When Harold Ickes, Sr. found out that FDR had agreed to support Somoza, Sr. in Nicaragua during WWII, he was furious and confronted his friend the President saying, “Somoza is a son of a b*+ch!”

Roosevelt calmly replied, “Yes he is, Harold – BUT he is our son of a b*+ch!”

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We need to recognize that democracy just doesn’t work instantly everywhere, it is far from a panacea. Several conditions must exist in order for democracy to have a chance, including the rule of law over men, with an independent judiciary even the government cannot ignore, which also has the authority to enforce property rights and private contracts impartially.

So instead of throwing out faithful allies who helped us in the region for decades in favor of some imaginary utopia, we should honor and protect our friends and help them build their societies toward an eventual democratization at their own pace.

Adjoran on August 18, 2013 at 2:23 AM

All right, seriously — I’m through thinking for tonight. I don’t wish to think anymore.

I’m drawing dirty stick pictures and idly surfing for a bad b flick.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:24 AM

In the meantime, it is quite unhelpful for Kerry, McCain, Graham, and Paul to be mouthing off about cutting aid to Egypt. We need influence there now more than ever. Just because the generals decline to commit suicide to make Obama look better doesn’t mean we have no influence now.

Egypt is suppressing the bad guys. They are doing God’s own work. They should kill as many of the barbarians as they can, and put down the rest, returning the MB to the outlaw status it has again proven it deserves.

We should be discussing how much to INCREASE their aid, not cut it. Why are American politicians taking the side of the evil MB, the grandfather of all Sunni extremist groups including al Qaeda?

Adjoran on August 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Several conditions must exist in order for democracy to have a chance, including the rule of law over men, with an independent judiciary even the government cannot ignore, which also has the authority to enforce property rights and private contracts impartially.

Adjoran on August 18, 2013 at 2:23 AM

We don’t even have this anymore.

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Axe on August 18, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Otay, this is perceptional and sensational.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIwSt2R54Xs

One of my favorite drummers. The whole band is gone done good.
Jeff Beck.

‘gnite everybody, and may God bless. Red Skelton made my childhood bearable.

Listen to his thoughts after you listen to Jeff Beck. There’s only one of this guitarist.

Now, shutup and down in front and all that. Safe and happy everyone, every last one of you.
Promise? Okay.

mickytx on August 18, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Question:

Is Cruz “likable” enough to win the presidency? I think he is. I think charm is usually fake, anyway, and don’t care for the back-slapping types.

Would his reputation for being principled and tough command a special amount of respect and make up for a perceived lack of the “palsy” factor? Sort of like Margaret Thatcher, another conviction politician.

bluegill on August 18, 2013 at 3:21 AM

blobfish pictures

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Hey man, long time no C.
Hope all is good.

bazil9 on August 18, 2013 at 1:54 AM

S’good, B9………so sweet to hear from you….. ; )

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 4:41 AM

Here’s where I went tonight, B9 – fantastic food:

http://www.seviche.com/

drop me a line sometime, it you like

williamg on August 18, 2013 at 4:52 AM

What is happening in Egypt is the most important news for the future of the world. I read about it here. I watch the vids of the Huffington Post eye candy Ahmed Shihab Eldin. I am well aware that all options are bad. But after some thought, I am able to say that I support what the Egyptian military is doing. To me the issue boils down to this question: can you have a meaningful democracy when a slight majority, say 55% of the population, is genocidal towards the other 45% of the population? I see that as the Egypt of today.

thuja on August 18, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Killing Christians…with our tax dollars. “The War Against Christianity: The Slaughter of the Coptic Christians”
My take.

kingsjester on August 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM

kingsjester on August 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM

…this should be on the morning talk show thread too…since the MSM wants to ignore it!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Question:

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blueballs on August 18, 2013 at 3:21 AM

….the TROLL has questions?

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Question:

Is Cruz “likable” enough to win the presidency? I think he is. I think charm is usually fake, anyway, and don’t care for the back-slapping types.

Would his reputation for being principled and tough command a special amount of respect and make up for a perceived lack of the “palsy” factor? Sort of like Margaret Thatcher, another conviction politician.

bluegill on August 18, 2013 at 3:21 AM

…”sweetheart”
(:->)…let me help you “stay on topic” preacher!… since 8:31 PM’s posting…where is Cruz the topic anywhere… on the “chit chat” presented by AP or the people making it their ‘private’ chit chat blog ?

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Palins Guy Ted Cruz. The 1:11 mark is just for you.

Bmore on August 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM

…”sweetheart”
(:->)…let me help you “stay on topic” preacher!… since 8:31 PM’s posting…where is Cruz the topic anywhere… on the “chit chat” presented by AP or the people making it their ‘private’ chit chat blog ?

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

haha ^^5! :)

To bluegshrill, she’s very special, so it’s different & acceptable when she chit-chats and goes “off-topic”!

I wonder if we’ll be getting a (ridiculous) lecture for being too hard on the “poor,” screechy wittle fishy

Anti-Control on August 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM

can you have a meaningful democracy when a slight majority, say 55% of the population, is genocidal towards the other 45% of the population? I see that as the Egypt of today.

thuja on August 18, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Sounds like the USA now! Wonder when the coup will begin! Egypt looks a lot like the USA since we have the Muslim Brotherhood ensconced in the White House!

Marco on August 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

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