Egypt looks at dissolving Muslim Brotherhood

posted at 10:01 am on August 17, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

If they move ahead with this plan, it could wind up being big news. And not necessarily for the better.

Egyptian premier proposes dissolution of Muslim Brotherhood

Egyptian Prime Minister Hazem el-Beblawi has proposed the legal dissolution of the Muslim Brotherhood and the government is studying the idea, a government spokesman said.

According to the health ministry, 173 people died on Friday in violence that erupted when security forces cracked down on Islamists protesting against the army’s removal of Muslim Brotherhood President Mohamed Mursi last month.

Beblawi had made the proposal to the minister of social affairs – the ministry responsible for licensing non-governmental organizations, spokesman Sherif Shawky said. “It is being studied currently,” he said.

The MB can’t be too terribly surprised at this turn of events, given how their legions of followers have been running around burning Christian churches and other assorted hijinks during their Day(s) of Rage. The provisional government / military rule has to be getting pretty uncomfortable behind closed doors, particularly when the US is talking about shutting down the cash faucet.

But everyone – both inside and outside of Egypt – will have to make sure they’re ready for what’s likely to come if this is the direction we’re going to go in. (Keeping in mind that it may well have been the only viable option all along.) The standard pitch for a very long time was that the path to bringing Islamist forces out of their terrorist training camps in the wild and into the mainstream of the modern era was to get them to buy into the political process. Unfortunately, while there may be a handful of self-identified leaders who are sticking to both Mursi and the idea of conquering at the ballot box, they haven’t managed to keep their followers from taking to the streets and fomenting violence.

But if they are summarily dissolved as an acknowledged political and/or governmental entity, that’s probably the Ah-ha moment serving as an excuse to go back to the good old, blunt force trauma way of doing business. Of course, as I implied above, I’m hard pressed to think of an example anywhere thus far that an approach of getting them to the table has paid off substantially. There simply may not be a path to peaceful victory here, and the MB isn’t Egypt’s only problem at this point by a long shot. It may wind up being best for all concerned if Egypt shuts them down in exchange for US considerations regarding continued financial – and potentially military – support.


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Allahu Akbar no more?
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Get real.

FlaMurph on August 17, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Muslim Brotherhood delenda est.

The MB needs to be treated in the same way that Rome treated Carthage.

TKindred on August 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle. Never should have let them out in the first place.

ConservativeLA on August 17, 2013 at 10:05 AM

The MB is the Godfather of Islamic Terrorist Groups. They’re not just in Egypt. They are a hydra.

And, our tax money is funding them, thanks to our Anti-Christian, Anti-American Bizarro World President.

kingsjester on August 17, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Wasn’t the MB in some way banned during the time of Mubarek? I too remember how Ayatollah Khomeini waited it out in Paris before he came back to power in 1979.

Islamic hate. You can hold it down temporarily, but you can’t get rid of it.

Paul-Cincy on August 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

The standard pitch for a very long time was that the path to bringing Islamist forces out of their terrorist training camps in the wild and into the mainstream of the modern era was to get them to buy into the political process.

Wow, that worked so well in Iran, Lebanon, etc. Egypt had its chance, and first thing the natters did was scare away the only real source of outside money they had – tourism. You can’t take an Islamist and turn them mainstream. You can only kill them, and that’s why I lovvve drones.

deadite on August 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

It may wind up being best for all concerned if Egypt shuts them down in exchange for US considerations regarding continued financial – and potentially military – support.

Normally yes, but Obama actually wants the BM in power. Or more acurately, he just doesn’t want to work too hard to ensure American interests which would in include a non-islamist government. He’s got a tee time you know.

WisRich on August 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Feb 10, 2011 3:28pm
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reports: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper raised some eyebrows today at a House Intelligence Committee hearing when he called described the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization. “The term ‘Muslim Brotherhood,’” Clapper said, “is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam… They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera. … In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.”

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Outlawing the Muslim Brotherhood a great idea. Most hurt Obama.

Dasher on August 17, 2013 at 10:16 AM

This naive notion of inclusion of radical violent groups has never worked well through history. They might scream to be ‘part of the process’, but the radicals have only the aim of total control. Look at the Nazi Party, and all the communist front groups anywhere in the world. Does anyone with half a brain think the MB would be any different, or even patient enough to become a majority party brought to power in a fair and honest election?

Liam on August 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

MB: another Islamic HATE group… what a surprise…

Khun Joe on August 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.

So… the establishment and enforcement of Sharia doesn’t count???

I might be a dumb kafir, but that seems like an ‘agenda’ to me…

CPT. Charles on August 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Feb 10, 2011 3:28pm
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reports: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper raised some eyebrows today at a House Intelligence Committee hearing when he called described the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization. “The term ‘Muslim Brotherhood,’” Clapper said, “is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam… They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera. … In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.”

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

I think this is a sign that our intelligence community is mostly filled with brainwashed PC nut jobs. Very scary indeed.

Dasher on August 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam…

Taqiyya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[...] a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[2]

They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera.

So does Hamas.

… In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.”

Except to destroy Israel and create an Islamic world. That’s all.

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Paul-Cincy on August 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

S/b MB

WisRich on August 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM

brainwashed PC nut jobs. Very scary indeed.

Dasher on August 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

You’re far more generous in your description then I would be.

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

I have been catching some of the NBC Nightly News lately and one thing sticks out like a sore thumb when they talk about Egypt. Every other sentence says, in one way or another, that the “democratically elected government was ousted”. And they pretend everything else the Muslim Brotherhood are, or has done since being elected, hasn’t happened. It’s rather annoying to watch them carry the administrations water so effortlessly.

NotCoach on August 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Outlaw Sharia – everywhere!

OldEnglish on August 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Yes please.

Next – Obama, Democrats, & RINOs led by McCain Obama the chief RINO!

22044 on August 17, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Keep Egyptian Christians in your prayers, if you are a person of prayer.

22044 on August 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

nobody mentioning hillary-huma-mommy-daddy connection to morsi and the brothers? u don’t suppose along with bammy’s proclivity for the bro’s they had somethin’ to do with the quick removal of mubarak and the vacuum left to suck the bro’s into power? talk about implosion….

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Guaranteed full-scale civil war, but it WILL tamp down radical Islamic violence… because someone will be shoveling dirt into their face- or the military’s.

michaelo on August 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Keep Egyptian Christians in your prayers, if you are a person of prayer.

22044 on August 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

this. and bring them here before the bro’s kill them all.

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

If getting them into the political process means they ram thru a constitution legalizing the discrimination against minorities and women, it ain’t ever going to happen. That is what the MB tried to do. That is why most Egyptians demanded that Morsi go. The election giving the MB power was a sham.

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Keep Egyptian Christians in your prayers, if you are a person of prayer.

22044 on August 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

this. and bring them here before the bro’s kill them all.

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Those people would be the only immigrants or refugees the American Left wouldn’t want here.

Liam on August 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I believe Algeria tried that. They ended up with a 20 year civil war, IIRC.

Cleombrotus on August 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Time for another Cairo speech by Poindexter McSmartypants.

Little Boomer on August 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I have been catching some of the NBC Nightly News lately and one thing sticks out like a sore thumb when they talk about Egypt. Every other sentence says, in one way or another, that the “democratically elected government was ousted”. And they pretend everything else the Muslim Brotherhood are, or has done since being elected, hasn’t happened. It’s rather annoying to watch them carry the administrations water so effortlessly.

NotCoach on August 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

NBC is a nest of treasonous scumbags. I loath our media more than I do the current administration.

Cleombrotus on August 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Dissolve” the Muslim Brotherhood?

I think the correct term is liquidate, Jazz.

This terrorist band of theocratic crazies needs to be crushed.

Or, like any other malignancy, they just come back with a vengeance.

profitsbeard on August 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

It may wind up being best for all concerned if Egypt shuts them down in exchange for US considerations regarding continued financial – and potentially military – support.

This administration wants the Muslim Brotherhood in charge.

NotCoach on August 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

So far, it is the MB getting their asses kicked. The horror begins when the MB starts blowing up innocent civilians. They are already arresting outsiders coming into Egypt who they believe are there to commit terrorism.

By the way, the army has vowed to rebuild the damaged churches. However, how do you rebuild a 1600 year old church?

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

By the way, the army has vowed to rebuild the damaged churches. However, how do you rebuild a 1600 year old church?

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

really. didn’t the brotherhood want to take down the pyramids, too?

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

The standard pitch for a very long time was that the path to bringing Islamist forces out of their terrorist training camps in the wild and into the mainstream of the modern era was to get them to buy into the political process.

Except that once they got into power, they overreached. Kinda like Democrats.

txhsmom on August 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

really. didn’t the brotherhood want to take down the pyramids, too?

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Yep. I’m surprised they didn’t blow them up already.

txhsmom on August 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Wish casting *poof* they’re gone right? No the only way to lose em is with good ole Roy.

Bmore on August 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Just call them progressives…that’s what we do.

trs on August 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

This administration wants the Muslim Brotherhood in charge.

NotCoach on August 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

^^This^^

Prezzie “I’ve got my head up my behind” is displaying his incredible lack of awareness once again:

Obama Not Informed of Extent of Egyptian Violence Until August 15

GrannyDee on August 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Civil war

Philly on August 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

There simply may not be a path to peaceful victory here

There isn’t. The MB does not want peace any more than the Nazis did. They’ve overplayed their hand, it’s time to take advantage of it and wipe them out to the extent possible.

rbj on August 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

By the way, the army has vowed to rebuild the damaged churches. However, how do you rebuild a 1600 year old church?

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I’d like to see a plaque that says “Rebuilt by the Egyptian Army after being destroyed on August 9, 2013 during the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘Day of Rage’”. Of course that will never happen.

Paul-Cincy on August 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Well there is a certain ‘rhyming’ of history, specially from ’47-49′

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Muslim_Brotherhood_in_Egypt_%281939%E2%80%931954%29

narciso on August 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM

really. didn’t the brotherhood want to take down the pyramids, too?

gracie on August 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Yes, I’m sure the taliban can show them how to do it, too.

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

When I hear Days of Rage I think of Bernie and Billy Ayers. I bet hearing this rhetoric has given them lady boners. :)

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

MB hand picked General Sisi to be their guy running the military. They overlooked the fact that he attended and graduated from our War College (among other advanced military training we offer).

Today’s Sisi has to be the one thing they never saw coming. For that matter, neither did Jugears.

platypus on August 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The MB was illegal in Egypt until the fall of Mubarak. They have a horrendous history of violence, assassination attempts, etc.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the rabidly anti-Semitic former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, established the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. He collaborated with both Hitler and Mussolini. Hamas is a wing of the Palestinian Brotherhood, and has been smuggling arms and terrorists back through the smuggling tunnels from Gaza into Sinai. That is why the Egyptian gov’t just blew up most of the tunnels, crashing the Gaza economy, and why Israel has been quietly using drone strikes to kill terrorists in the Sinai.

I am convinced that Morsi and the Brotherhood in Egypt were gearing up for serious terror operations, and even outright war, against Israel, which is why the army intervened, with the U.S. govt’s tacit support. The Brotherhood needs to be crushed, now.

Mr. Arkadin on August 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Sure….let them “dissolve” the MB, juuuuust like the dissolution of the Soviet Union and death of Marxism, that whole thought is about as plausible as the thought of Progressivism just going away.

NY Conservative on August 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

The only way to deal with Islamists is to kill them until they no longer want to die.

fleiter on August 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The O’ admin is so twisted they will most likely go to war with the Egyptian military just to preserve the “hood”.

katy on August 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

But if they are summarily dissolved as an acknowledged political and/or governmental entity, that’s probably the Ah-ha moment serving as an excuse to go back to the good old, blunt force trauma way of doing business.

If the MB is dissolved that would just mean going back to the way of our ally, Mubarak, and the darling of the Western left, Sadat – the person Mubarak followed in just about every way.

I guess they could let Mubarak out of jail and return things to where they were at before Barky started screwing everything up to help his jihadi allies, the “mostly secular” MB.


Peregruzka!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

It’s not an easy thing to comtemplate, and Beblawi well understands the stakes, but what is the alternative,

narciso on August 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Or maybe it’s as Spengler said, it’s time for their civil war, just like our civil war, where you fight until the enemy gives up.

The MB will never assimilate into a free state.

PattyJ on August 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The MB also supports female genital mutilation.

Years ago on some morning news show, I saw a clip of an old guy with a little girl in a room when he suddenly grabs her and another old perv come in, spreads her legs, and whack. She’s screaming in terror and pain and I think I’m watching some little girl getting raped and I am sickened. The guy who held her was her “father” and the perv was his friend. Absolutely disgusting.

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

No Mubarak’s out of the picture, as much as Czar Nicholas was in this cycle, it’s more like Savinkov or Korshak, to keep the Russian parallels.

narciso on August 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Er, more ‘unintended consequences’ of Obama’s foreign policy inexperience. Stock up on body bags.

socalcon on August 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Blake on August 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Then … 10 years later some boy looks at the girl and the father strangles her with his bare hands in an “honor” killing while the mother locks the door so she can’t get away, after which what’s left of the family sits down for a nice dinner. Yep, that’s the sort of culture we’re dealing with, here. Total psychopaths and savages.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

The Muslim Brotherhood is reaping what it has sown for decades. Good riddance.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on August 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Strange times we live in – history is our only guide.

jake-the-goose on August 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Right now, US support is the last thing on the minds of the current Egyptian leadership.

The United States has shown its true colors since the ouster of Mubarak was initiated; the current US regime was eager to show its support for Morsi even before he was “sworn” in as President.

The US regime was implicated in trying to keep Morsi in power no matter what the cost.

The US regime is complicit in trying to blackmail the current Egyptian leadership into kow-towing to the Moslem Brotherhood.

Besides, the Saudis, the Gulf states and a few other sensible governments in the region, favor the current government as a logical stepping stone to eventual peace in Egypt…and they want no part of the Moslem Brotherhood…and they have cash, not credits or promises.

So, Obama, Kerry, and Hagel can stop wasting taxpayers money making all those phone calls to Cairo. They are not answering the phone.

And, that Arab Spring thing? Old skool. Sooo 2009. The current Eyptian government? They are new skool…get with it.

coldwarrior on August 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Sounds good to me.

rrpjr on August 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Is that possible?

astonerii on August 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

President Hillary will fix it all, because she’s a woman.

MT on August 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

When you take power away from the military – it was just a matter of time before they killed to get it back – and what a perfect target – the MB.

By “dissolving” the MB – it allows the military, through law – to now exterminate them – along with their actions, like burning churches and orphanages.

It will keep the US money flowing – along with other foreign nations.

As someone here mentioned – tourism is a key driver of their economy.

SO 3 years later – Obama and his ilk attempted a coup, via “democracy” – by installing the MB. Thousands are dead and the military will regain power – and open up “normalcy” – which includes the return of funds and tourism.

Just another example of the inept Affirmative Action Muslim hire that failed miserably – both abroad and here.

Odie1941 on August 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Day of Rage would be a great name for an album.

Little Boomer on August 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Dissolution of the ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ may be touted as a great thing.

However, I will remain cautious. Because such revolutions in the mid East and else where, are usually reincarnated withing the U.S. as radical groups such as “Black Panthers”, “Weather Underground”

Remember, in the 60′s groups such as these found U.S. easy targets due to our spaced out sense and were easy to be molded. But this a new generation whose primary value is based on choice – to accept of not accept the ideals that are focused on U.S.

MSGTAS on August 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Feb 10, 2011 3:28pm
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reports: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper raised some eyebrows today at a House Intelligence Committee hearing when he called described the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization. “The term ‘Muslim Brotherhood,’” Clapper said, “is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam… They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera. … In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.”

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

And that was swiftly followed by Obama turfing Clapper out on his ass right?

right?…..

can_con on August 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Feb 10, 2011 3:28pm
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reports: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper raised some eyebrows today at a House Intelligence Committee hearing when he called described the Muslim Brotherhood as a “largely secular” organization. “The term ‘Muslim Brotherhood,’” Clapper said, “is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam… They have pursued social ends, a betterment of the political order in Egypt, et cetera. … In other countries, there are also chapters or franchises of the Muslim Brotherhood, but there is no overarching agenda, particularly in pursuit of violence, at least internationally.”

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM

This Clapper fellow isn’t good at truth telling, is he?

thuja on August 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Apparently, the MB was not as well armed for this takeover as they needed to be. Rather like the Social Democrats in 19th century Europe, I think they became stale with age and too in love with their own self-image.

claudius on August 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

can_con on August 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

He’s the guy that obozo has entrusted with checking into NSA abuses.

This Clapper fellow isn’t good at truth telling, is he?

thuja on August 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

My impression of Clapper is that he isn’t a very bright man. I find it most strange that he is Director of National Intelligence, but perhaps he does make a good metaphor for Obama’s America.

thuja on August 13, 2013 at 9:38 AM

I think he’s just a stupid liar.

Flange on August 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM

The standard pitch for a very long time was that the path to bringing Islamist forces out of their terrorist training camps in the wild and into the mainstream of the modern era was to get them to buy into the political process.

As we saw with all the supposedly reformed Jihadis released from Gitmo that went back into the fight:

You can take the primitive, anti-woman, anti-freedom, child brainwashing, torturing, murdering, thieving, hide behind women and children coward, indifferent to the well-being of non-combatants, believers in one intimidated man one manipulated vote once, out of the Jihad but you cannot take the Jihad out of them. These people will not respect the results of public opinion, elections they lose or the right of anyone anywhere ever to disagree with them on anything.

Yes, they will probably go underground and begin a savage terror campaign against the Egyptian people but as we all should know, freedom is not free. It must be won and kept by each generation. This generation of Egyptians will either pay the price of freedom from theocratic tyranny or pay the ruinous cost of their enslavement to it.

KW64 on August 17, 2013 at 12:12 PM

President Hillary will fix it all, because she’s a woman.

MT on August 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Sadly, the progressive left fantabulists believe exactly that. Just put a black man as president and all race issues will disappear right? Just put a nurturing caring feeling woman in charge and war, conflict and crime will be a thing of the past right? Just put progressive left bureaucrats in charge of all of america’s money and economic decisions and class warfare and exploitation will be a thing of the past right?
Not only do they believe this nonsense but they also believe that anyone who doubts it is a racist, anti-woman, and an uncaring evil greedy capitalist to boot. Facts in front of their noses to the contrary mean nothing to these would be political and social magicians.

KW64 on August 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood has to be outlawed. The profound problem with MB Muslims is that they are fundamental true-believer Muslims who are willing to die, almost eager to die in the streets as a heroic act of a martyr – we can see this in the videos. Only Muslims would continue to confront military live fire day after day mindlessly with no care for their earthly future. They are looking forward to life in paradise with an abundance of Allah supplied teenage virgins. Hence they are so rabidly dangerous as websites like jihad.org, atlas shrugs and others have long been showing – and why the authors are always getting death threats.

Islam tends to make one dangerously insane, which insanity tries to burst out throughout the Muslim world. The not so true-believing Muslims know they have to suppress the madness to keep their heads while the low-info infidels wonder about Obama’s affection for the “religion of peace”.

Chessplayer on August 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Are they going to outlaw Islam, or just the symptoms of Islam like the Muslim Brotherhood?

sharrukin on August 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Outlaw Sharia – everywhere!

OldEnglish on August 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Pray tell, just who is going to be the global police agency to enforce this global prohibition…?

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

On general principles, I don’t like this. Much like I felt with Communism, where you allow them to participate in the process knowing full well they will eventually marginalize themselves, I don’t like the idea of banning political parties, repugnant though they might be.

However, that thought is tempered with what has happened in Turkey over the last century, where civil rule has, recent developments notwithstanding, effectively subjugated Islam to the modern state. I don’t know one way or the other, but I suspect Turkey has, at multiple pints, outlawed Islamist parties.

Does anyone know anything about Turkish history on this?

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Destroy them root and branch.

Mason on August 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark… on Obama.

The Rogue Tomato on August 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Mohammed al-Zawahri, brother of AQ leader, Ayman has been arrested in Egypt. IIRC, Mohammed was involved with the storming of America’s Cairo embassy and was publicly on the record on 9/10/12 calling for attacks in Benghazi which occurred on 9/11- another reason our security failure there was so utterly inexcusable.

Buy Danish on August 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM

“Jihad and Democracy are opposites and don’t mix…Democracy is one of the greatest deceptions used by the enemies of Islam and pushes people away from their obligation to perform jihad.”

- Mohammed Al-Zawahiri

CC: Barack Obama, Chuck Hagel, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, et al

Buy Danish on August 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

This Clapper fellow isn’t good at truth telling, is he?

thuja on August 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

It has occurred to me that Clapper is essentially being blackmailed for something embarrassing in his files, and just says whatever BO and his comrades tell him to say. Obviously I have no actual evidence of this but it would explain the jaw-droppingly stupid statements he makes, all of which are in line with the Obama Doctrine.

Buy Danish on August 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM

So what? The Mil. ain’t a “democratic ruler” :)

God, please let this stop. The schadenfreude is too entertaining.

Hillary, the next Liar in Chief. She/obama have lots of blood on their hands/souls, by the thousands, and this is just the beginning.

The ME area will be in big flames, soon.

Schadenfreude on August 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM

However, that thought is tempered with what has happened in Turkey over the last century, where civil rule has, recent developments notwithstanding, effectively subjugated Islam to the modern state. I don’t know one way or the other, but I suspect Turkey has, at multiple pints, outlawed Islamist parties.

Does anyone know anything about Turkish history on this?

JohnGalt23

If you think Ataturk’s methods of removing the islamists from Turkey were gentle, democratic, or respectful of Western constitutional rights you have some reading to do. Necessary perhaps and the reforms did set the stage for an impressive phoenix-from-the-ashes story but they were not the stuff of Jefferson and Madison.

His reforms went as far as to create a new script for writing since the Turks had used a form of Arabic script. (Not as hard as it sounds to pull off since only 10% of the pop was literate.)

chimney sweep on August 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

If you think Ataturk’s methods of removing the islamists from Turkey were gentle, democratic, or respectful of Western constitutional rights you have some reading to do. Necessary perhaps and the reforms did set the stage for an impressive phoenix-from-the-ashes story but they were not the stuff of Jefferson and Madison.

His reforms went as far as to create a new script for writing since the Turks had used a form of Arabic script. (Not as hard as it sounds to pull off since only 10% of the pop was literate.)

chimney sweep on August 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Oh, I’m quite sure eggs got broken to make the Turkish omelette.

But I’m specifically curious about what level of repression of political activity, especially with regard to political parties, he undertook…

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The Muslim Brotherhood can trace its origins and roots directly to Nazi Germany.

pdigaudio on August 17, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Drudge: “Egypt considers outlawing Muslim Brotherhood” — Just thinking that is as dramatic as the US outlawing the Democrat party.

Dasher on August 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Unfortunately, while there may be a handful of self-identified leaders who are sticking to both Mursi and the idea of conquering at the ballot box, they haven’t managed to keep their followers from taking to the streets and fomenting violence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that either Morsi or any other element of the Muslim Brotherhood has any use for democracy other than as a route to power. Once in power, they will dispense with it, and dally with the pretense of respecting the process only until they believe their grip on power is secure.

There can be no compromise with the Muslim Brotherhood. The only choices for dealing with them are surrender or extermination.

novaculus on August 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Hmmmm, let’s see…on the one hand we have radical Islamist terrorists and their supporters who torch Christian churches while imposing Sharia law and brutalizing women, on the other hand you have people who don’t. Gee, which ones are we to support?

kdlee on August 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM

…when is JugEars going to start wearing…. the little hat?

KOOLAID2 on August 17, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Outlaw Sharia – everywhere!

OldEnglish on August 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Pray tell, just who is going to be the global police agency to enforce this global prohibition…?

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Outlaw it by international decree, and treat it as one would any other major crime. Remove its voice, its power to terrorize, and it would become like the Nazi Party – dead.

OldEnglish on August 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Egypt’s State Information Service sends statement to international media organizations complaining of ‘biased’ and ‘distorted’ media coverage of the crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood – via @nytimes

4 hours ago from http://www.scribd.com by editor
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Egypt’s State Information Service Statement to Foreign Correspondents
Statement sent by Egypt’s State Information Service to foreign correspondents Aug. 17, 2013
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Statement by the State Information Service (SIS) on current
events in Egypt
(August 17, 2013)
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The State Information Service (SIS), as an Egyptian national institution, welcomes and appreciates contacting all media outlets and extending all assistance for facilitating the great job of foreign correspondents through supplying them with all facts about the current situation in Egypt. The SIS while underlining these vocational principles, expresses all appreciation for the sincere media outlets which are keen on conveying events in Egypt honestly and precisely in line with the common vocational and ethical criteria without any distortion.

At a time when the SIS expresses its respect for the freedom of opinion and expression, it noticed that some media coverage has steered away from objectivity and neutrality that are internationally common, according to a certain political agenda; a state of affairs that led to conveying a distorted image that is very much far from the facts and media coverage. This raises many questions about the neutrality of this media coverage and its goals out of the following considerations:

First: Egypt is feeling severe bitterness towards some Western media coverage that is biased to the Muslim Brotherhood and ignores shedding light on violent and terror acts that are perpetrated by this group in the form of intimidation operations and terrorizing citizens let alone killing of innocent people and setting churches and public and private property on fire along with storming police stations and blocking roads and all other forms of thuggery and sabotage.

Second: Some media sources are still falling short of describing the events of June 30 as an expression of a popular will where millions of people took to the street to express themselves.

Third: Despite the danger of “Al-Qaeda” organization at the international level, the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood has sought the support of some of its elements is completely ignored. Some Egyptian media organs have noticed on Friday that more than five vehicles have entered Ramsis square, in Cairo downtown, carrying masked elements carrying the black flag of al-Qaeda along with automatic weapons amid celebrations by the Muslim Brotherhood elements who were present in the square.

Fourth: Despite an escalation by the Muslim Brotherhood and supporters of the ousted president, police men, in cooperation with the Armed Forces men and through popular assistance, managed to carry out all missions assigned to them and were able to control the security situation in face of the terrorist attempts by the Muslim Brotherhood to fling the country into violence. This situation refutes allegations about a civil war in Egypt in accordance with comments by experts and analysts with international research centers (such as the Middle East Studies Institute and the US Foreign Relations Council along with Brookings Institute).

Fifth: Several media sources are seeking to focus on Western political stances that are adopting an approach different from the Egyptian one while making inaccurate remarks about the situation in Egypt ignoring this way several Arab and regional stances supporting Egypt in its war against terrorism such as the stances of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain and the UAE. The importance of these stances lies in the fact that they came from capitals that have a regional influence and are associated with strong political and strategic relations with Western quarters; an indication to the possibility for backing the Egyptian State’s stance in the face of terrorism and Western political and media doubting campaigns.

Sixth: Several international media sources have ignored making reference to the huge numbers of victims from the Armed Forces and the police in face of the Muslim Brotherhood’s violence. They also ignored making reference to the participation of non-Egyptian elements from Pakistan, Syria and Palestine in violent acts committed by the Brotherhood group.

Seventh: These acts of violence by the Muslim Brotherhood group attest to the fact that they have exceeded all red lines regarding common humanitarian rules where a building owned by the Arab Contracts Company in Ramsis square was set on fire due to hurling Molotov Cocktails against it by Brotherhood elements. Fire columns extended to nearby Blood Bank building. The Brotherhood group is seeking shelter inside mosques that are used by them in their confrontations with the police forces as was manifested in the events of Al-Iman Mosque in Nasr City and Al- Fatah Mosque in Ramsis.

While the SIS reiterates its keenness on maintaining all channels of contact open with all foreign correspondents and media people and its respect for the freedom of opinion and the other opinion, it urges all media outlets to be accurate in their coverage and not to rely on false information and use only verified reports in a bid to convey an honest image without any distortion. It also urges them to be neutral so that they would convey a true picture to the local and world public opinion.
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canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 4:34 PM

JihadyGoon Sh*t-Distrubers…………………………….

Egypt’s crackdown on Morsi supporters

Afghans, Pakistanis and Syrians

among those arrested after Friday’s unrest, spokesman for Egypt’s interim government says – @AlArabiya_Eng

8 hours ago by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Egypt’s crackdown on Morsi supporters

Egypt will confront ‘extremism and terrorism through security measures,’ presidential official says – @Reuters

6 hours ago by editor
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Egyptian presidential official: ‘We’re facing a war of attrition started by extremist powers’ – @DailyNewsEgypt

6 hours ago by editor
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Egypt is facing ‘war by the forces of extremism,’ presidential official says – @Reuters

6 hours ago by editor
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canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Egypt’s Foreign Minister: Priorities are defending Egyptian revolt and dealing with issues such as Nile Basin – @RawyaRageh

2 mins ago by editor
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Egypt’s Foreign Minister: US knew that Morsi’s performance was not satisfactory – @RawyaRageh

4 mins ago by editor
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/egypts-president-morsi-removed-from-power

canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Germany has banned the Nazi party so why shouldn’t Eqypt ban the Muslim Nazihood?

VorDaj on August 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Outlaw it by international decree, and treat it as one would any other major crime. Remove its voice, its power to terrorize, and it would become like the Nazi Party – dead.

OldEnglish on August 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Yeah, that’s gonna happen…

Here’s the question again:

Pray tell, just who is going to be the global police agency to enforce this global prohibition…?

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM

DarkCurrent on August 17, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Egypt is going to liquidate the Muslim Brotherhood? Good.

unclesmrgol on August 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Germany has banned the Nazi party so why shouldn’t Eqypt ban the Muslim Nazihood?

VorDaj on August 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

VorDaj:

Damn Straight Ban them,the MBGoons are Shit-Distrubers with
a track-record,and this ain’t there first redro in Egypt:)
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Documentary BBC – A History of Syria (2013)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqtCOxeGAHE

Hama massacre
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The Hama massacre (Arabic: مجزرة حماة‎) occurred in February 1982, when the Syrian Arab Army and the Defense Companies, under the orders of the country’s then-president, Hafez al-Assad, besieged the town of Hama for 27 days in order to quell an uprising by the Muslim Brotherhood against al-Assad’s government.

[1][2] The massacre, carried out by the Syrian Army supposedly under commanding General Rifaat al-Assad, President Assad’s younger brother, effectively ended the campaign begun in 1976 by Sunni Islamic groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood, against the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre

canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Um,..ya..say what,…………….

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng 4m

#BreakingNews #Egypt’s al-Azhar: ‘Islam is innocent from all violations and attempts to bring country into a satanic strife’
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BreakingNews&src=hash

canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Obama’s war! Obama’s Muslim brothas! Take ‘em all out! Morsi and Obama are both enemies of the U.S.!

Marco on August 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM


August 17, 2013, 4:44 p.m. ET
Egypt Rebukes Foreign Press for ‘Biased’ Coverage
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State Information Service Says Reports Have Favored Morsi Supporters
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CAIRO–As Egyptian security forces moved to end a bloody standoff with supporters of Egypt’s ousted president on Saturday, government officials were assailing a different foe: the Western media and critical foreign governments.

In a statement emailed in English to foreign correspondents Saturday, the Egyptian State Information Service rebuked reporters for what it called “biased coverage” that it said privileged supporters of Mohammed Morsi over the security services who have been fighting them.

The SIS also castigated the foreign press for not paying enough attention to attacks on Christians and Islamists’ “intimidation” of ordinary Egyptian citizens.

“Egypt is feeling severe bitterness towards some Western media coverage that is biased to the Muslim Brotherhood and ignores shedding light on violent and terror acts that are perpetrated by this group in the form of intimidation operations and terrorizing citizens,” said the unsigned statement.

The statement came hours after an English-language televised address by Mostafa Hegazi, a presidential advisor, who told foreign journalists that “we as Egyptians feel deep bitterness towards coverage of the events in Egypt.”

Mr. Hegazi also praised the Egyptian military and police’s handling of two bloody incidents in the past week — breaking up two Cairo protest camps on Wednesday and ending a standoff at a mosque on Saturday. At least 600 people died as the camps were dispersed, and 173 died in clashes on Friday and Saturday.

The two official statements overlay a steady drumbeat of antagonism against foreigners and the foreign press — a tactic that autocratic Arab leaders have regularly employed to deflect blame for internal unrest and human rights abuses.

But the rhetoric against foreigners and the foreign press has risen to unprecedented levels over the past week and turned Egypt into a highly hostile environment for foreign reporters.

Several foreign journalists reported facing harassment and attacks on Saturday. A reporter for The Wall Street Journal and Alastair Beach, a journalist for Britain’s The Independent, were both grabbed and lightly beaten by mobs of anti-Morsi demonstrators outside the beseiged mosque on Saturday.

Mr. Beach said he was bludgeoned over the head with a stick, but suffered no serious injuries.

The mob turned the two reporters over to nearby soldiers, who kept them in protective custody before releasing them away from the scene about an hour later.

Patrick Kingsley, a correspondent for The Guardian, also reported over Twitter that he was “citizen arrested” by a group of angry youth who stole his laptop and mobile phone before turning him over to police.

He was also eventually released without any serious injuries.

Anger against the foreign press is of a piece with the growing preoccupation among Egyptians over foreign governments’ recent criticism of security forces’ deadly crackdowns on Islamists.

President Barack Obama’s decision on Thursday to cancel bi-annual military exercises with Egypt after the crackdown on the pro-Morsi encampments was met with widespread hostility here.

When authorities ousted Mr. Morsi on July 3, they moved immediately to shut down the Islamist channels that had often adopted pro-Morsi editorial lines.

The Egyptian public has since been treated to vitriolic anti-Islamist messages from both the public and private media. Television stations regualry refer to the Brotherhood as “terrorists” while accusing them of using heavy weapons against security forces and of associating with international terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda.

Such media outlets — particularly the private channels owned by prominent businessmen with connections to the former regime of Hosni Mubarak — have also helped fan anti-foreigner sentiment.

Guests on the privately owned satellite channels have reguarly accused foreign journalists of deliberately waging a disinformation campaign to aid Mr. Morsi’s Islamist backers.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323639704579019112899519956.html

canopfor on August 17, 2013 at 6:06 PM

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