Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on August 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

President Obama played his fourth round of golf in five days on Thursday after breaking from his vacation to condemn the violence in Egypt.

After wrapping up his public address, in which he announced the cancellation of joint military exercises with Egypt next month, Obama departed for the Mink Meadows Golf Club in Vineyard Haven…

The round at Mink Meadows is Obama’s first; he has also played two rounds at the Vineyard Club in Edgartown and hit the links at Farm Neck on Sunday.

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It is clear that the region’s old status quo, dominated by imperious rulers who fixed elections, ruled by fiat and quashed dissent, has been fundamentally damaged, if not overthrown, in the three years since the outbreak of the uprisings optimistically known as the Arab Spring. That was amply illustrated on Wednesday in Egypt, where a reversion to the repressive tactics of the past was met with deep outrage by Islamist protesters who had tasted empowerment.

What is unclear, however, is the replacement model. Most of the uprisings have devolved into bitter struggles, as a mix of political powers battle over the rules of participation, the relationship between the military and the government, the role of religion in public life and what it means to be a citizen, not a subject.

Middle East historians and analysts say that the political and economic stagnation under decades of autocratic rule that led to the uprisings also left Arab countries ill equipped to build new governments and civil society. While some of the movements achieved their initial goals, removing longtime leaders in four countries, their wider aims — democracy, dignity, human rights, social equality and economic security — now appear more distant than ever.

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The current military government is much more ambitious, with its aim to dismantle the Brotherhood and destroy it as a political force. Unlike Mubarak, the generals have tapped into real, popular anger against the Brotherhood – after its many failures in power – and helped nurture that anger into something ugly and visceral. It’s no surprise when armies use force. That’s what armies do. But it is scary to see ordinary Egyptians, “liberal” political parties and much of the country’s media class cheering it on so enthusiastically.

Democratic transitions, even in the best of circumstances, are uneven, painful affairs. But it no longer makes much sense to say that Egypt is in such a transition. Even in the unlikely event that political violence somehow ceases, the changes ushered in by the July 3 military coup and its aftermath will be exceedingly difficult to reverse. The army’s interventionist role in politics has become entrenched. Rather than at least pretending to rise above politics, the military and other state bodies have become explicitly partisan institutions. This will only exacerbate societal conflict in a deeply polarized country. Continuous civil conflict, in turn, will be used to justify permanent war against an array of internal and foreign enemies, both real and imagined.

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It’s important to note that the Egyptian military isn’t yet all in — for an example of an all-in, maximum-violence Middle East eradication campaign, please see Syria. But I don’t much doubt that the bloody crackdown on the Brotherhood will continue, despite the heartfelt pleas from the White House and the near daily phone calls from Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. And one reason is Syria: Egyptian generals can’t help but notice that the world has stood idly by as Bashar al-Assad has presided over the deaths of some 100,000 Syrian citizens. In the Middle East, you can, in fact, get away with murder.

The Egyptian military will ultimately fail in its campaign to uproot the Brotherhood, because the group is quite popular in many sectors of Egyptian society and its members are expert at underground living. And the Egyptian military has given the Brotherhood something it seeks: mass martyrdom, which is the most potent motivational tool a theocratic movement has in its arsenal. Egypt is falling into ruin because the Brotherhood is anti-democratic, revanchist, anti-Christian and power-mad, and because the Egyptian military couldn’t conceive of a way to marginalize it without resorting to mass violence.

This leaves the U.S. in the difficult position of having no one to support.

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Lynch’s assessment is endorsed by Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former CIA expert in the region and a conservative commentator at the Foundation for Defense of Democracy. “For radical Islamists who thrive on tyranny, the Nile Valley has again become exceptionally fertile ground,” Gerecht says. “The secular crowd blew it. They can try to walk away from the military now … but it’s too late. Egyptian society is badly, probably irretrievably, polarized with the potential for horrendous violence. The secular crowd who thought they’d pulled off a ‘coup-volution’ with Morsi’s downfall have guaranteed that we only see devolution in Egypt, either to an increasing sad, morally corroding, impoverished society, where liberals have no future, or to an explosion that may consume the country.”…

In the saddest irony of all, the ultimate outcome could be a return to the Arab ancien regime: the pre-Arab Spring world of retrograde military rule, with radical Islamists as the generals’ chief opposition. “There have already been calls by extremists, such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, current chief of al-Qaida, to renounce the electoral box and rely on force as the most effective means to establish God’s kingdom on earth,” says Gerges. “Although the majority of Islamists will not buy Zawahiri’s faulty goods, some would do so out of rage at the hijacking of the toppling of the first democratically elected Islamist president in Egypt’s modern history.”

As it has for the last two years, the Obama administration is still struggling with the appropriate response. But the perception abroad is that the administration has vacillated without any coherent policy. Initially during the Arab Spring the administration defended its old autocratic allies, such as Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak and Yemen’s Ali Saleh. Then it moved to championing the young secularists in the street, with hopes of liberal democracy that now look as naive as the visions of the George W. Bush-era neoconservatives. After the election of Morsi, the administration lurched in yet another direction, embracing the Islamist president and the Muslim Brotherhood, even to the exclusion of secularists. And when Morsi was ousted on July 3, the administration avoided calling it a coup so as not to jeopardize its aid relationship with the Egyptian military.

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[W]ith past administrations there was, at the very least, the media intuition that something was happening in foreign policy; the current media intuition is that despite episodic news events that must be reported on, nothing is happening.

Nothing is happening because Obama has no grand geopolitical conception. He and his top officials are not great European-style improvisers like Kissinger. They don’t have a plan for America, like Holbrooke had, to be a great moral force while promoting its geopolitical interests at the same time. They don’t intend to upend a utopian ideology (communism) like Reagan did. And unlike the elder Bush team, they have no design for stabilizing the world once that ideology was, in fact, upended. (After all, jihadism and terrorism are disease germs like malaria, which can be suppressed but probably not wholly eliminated. This is a different order of threat from communism.) In sum, Obama offers only a negative: I am not George W. Bush. He started wars. I will end them, and avoid future ones. I will kill individual terrorists as they crop up. That’s all, thank you.

And so Obama, because he has no overriding vision, is completely dependent on events falling his way. If the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks engineered by Kerry founder, if Iran’s new president proves a disappointment or a mere delayer, if there is a particularly significant terrorist attack, Obama will be remembered as a forgettable, ineffectual foreign policy president.

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If a serious case could be made that Egpyt is headed towards stable, authoritarian rule, it would be one thing. In that instance, it might be plausible to invoke Henry Kissinger’s famous comment about Chile and add that a country shouldn’t be allowed to go hardline Islamist. But the problem is this: Is Obama being a realist when it comes to Egypt? Or is he being utterly unrealistic about what the future holds for Washington’s ties with Cairo? America’s track record, when it comes to supporting corrupt and authoritarian regimes, particularly in the Middle East, is a mixed one. Obama, you could even say, is inadvertently doing what he said he wanted to end in his Cairo speech: “empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, and…promote conflict rather than the cooperation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity.”

For Egypt appears to be headed toward, at best, an armed truce, and, at worst, a civil war. The Islamists are being further radicalized. America will be blamed. How does this end the “cycle of suspicion and discord” that Obama identified and lamented in June 2009?…

Obama, aloof as ever, wants nothing to do with foreign policy. But a renewed debate is going to erupt in America over continuing aid to what amounts to an armed junta in Egypt. Senator Rand Paul was widely ridiculed when he proposed an amendment ending aid to Egypt, but perhaps he no longer looks so ridiculous at a moment when the Washington Post is calling for suspending it until the generals move to restore democracy. At a minimum, Obama should threaten suspension. Surely he does not want to go down in history as the enabler of tyranny?

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Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.

“This is something that those who voted in Congress are going to have to live with,” Paul told The Cable on Thursday. “The question is: How does their conscience feel now as they see photographs of tanks rolling over Egyptian civilians?”…

“Congress is way out of touch on this issue,” said Paul. “These people who believe in projecting American power, really believe in projecting American weakness. They don’t want us to respond to words with actions or obey our own laws.”…

“For those who think more weapons is engaging us with the Egyptian people, ask an Egyptian,” he continued. “When you’re protesting in the streets and you’re run over by an American tank, you’re not going to be appreciative of American engagement.”

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This refusal to take a firm stand against massive violations of human rights is as self-defeating for the United States as it is unconscionable. Continued U.S. support for the Egyptian military is helping to push the country toward a new dictatorship rather than a restored democracy. Gen. Abdel Fatah al-Sissi, the coup leader, increasingly is styling himself as a national savior in the mode of such former dictators asGamal Abdel Nasser; Wednesday’s bloody assault represents his crushing of civilian moderates in the interim cabinet who had called for compromise with Mr. Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood. Appropriately, their leader, Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei, resigned.

It is difficult to imagine how the assault on the Brotherhood, which won multiple elections and is still supported by millions of Egyptians, can be followed by a credible transition to democracy. More likely, it will lead Egypt toward still greater violence. It may be that outside powers cannot now change this tragic course of events. But if the United States wishes to have some chance to influence a country that has been its close ally for four decades, it must immediately change its policy toward the armed forces. That means the complete suspension of all aid and cooperation, coupled with the message that relations will resume when — and if — the generals end their campaign of repression and take tangible steps to restore democracy.

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[T]he U.S. should offer a firm and concrete ultimatum that future aid is conditioned on Egypt’s undertaking a series of changes. For starters, the Egyptian regime should unequivocally apologize for the slaughter of protesters; the officers who ordered Wednesday’s massacre should be held to account and court-martialed; and there should be no further willful mass killings. If Egypt doesn’t comply, 100 percent of the U.S.’s military aid should be suspended.

There are costs to cutting off aid. The U.S. would lose its leverage over Egypt — although leverage seems to have no value if it can’t be used at a time like this. The U.S. also risks losing valuable intelligence that Egypt’s military would otherwise provide about jihadist groups in the Sinai.

But the costs are worth it. The status quo is simply too problematic, pragmatically and morally. It’s time to threaten Egypt’s aid — and, if necessary, to suspend it.

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Furious editorials demanding an immediate cutoff of aid to Egypt in both the New York Times and the Washington Post tell the tale. We still don’t get it. These papers, like the rest of America’s establishment, have learned nothing from our misplaced optimism about the Arab Spring. There were never any true liberals in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood was never moderate. The revolts were driven by economic failure, not a craving for democracy. Democracy failed because nobody in Egypt truly understood or wanted it to begin with

This leaves us naively hoping for a Middle Eastern future modeled on our own hugely different social assumptions. Not content to simply long for a “democratic transition,” we actually assume that one is taking place, even as events before our eyes disprove this fantasy at every stage. One man, one vote, one time. It happened in front of us, yet we refused to see it. Egypt’s secularists and military did see what was happening and took action. They weren’t democrats either, but at least they understood their opponents…

What we ought to be doing now is tending to America’s key interests and giving up ill-founded fantasies of liberal democracy in a still thoroughly illiberal region. In any case, Times and Post notwithstanding, our capacity to influence events in Egypt is fast disappearing. With their literal and political survival at stake, the actors on the ground are no longer much subject to what we have to say. The Gulf states are giving more money than we are, and they want the Brotherhood crushed. So whether the military stabilizes Egypt or we get a civil war, it’s now largely out of our hands. The best we can do is keep the treaty with Israel intact and the Suez Canal open and secure.

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Resist We Much on August 16, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Oh Hi, Sophie…….

Jeez…..nobody says “hi” to me anymore….

*stares down at ground*

*stuffs hands in hip pockets*

*kicks dirt clod…..misses*

*whiff…*

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Spark must still return the eye.

He must refrain from hijacking RWM’s blog.

This crime spree must end… immediately.

If these provisions aren’t met… the career(s) are over and community service will begin in earnest.

The Junior Executive Enchanter powers are gone and will not be restored in any case.

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Hi William.

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:26 AM

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Hiya, Weird Science!

Missed you.

Resist We Much on August 16, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Thx, Jackie. I will let you deal with him as you see fit, BUT THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT I’M GOING TO GIVE HIM A BREAK!

lol

Resist We Much on August 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM

I’ll Take Care of You – Hart/Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Just remember that in Chicago a “suspended sentence” means handcuffed to the chandelier.

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Resist We Much on August 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM

I don’t blame you and I concur. There will be no third trip to the well. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:29 AM

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:25 AM

+1

Good night HA wits

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:28 AM

LOL! Good thing the Glade isn’t Chicago. All we have are oubliettes. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Carmilla – Madreblu

And a good night to all.

TXUS on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Goodnight, Paladin. :) It was wonderful spending time with you this evening. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:31 AM

TXUS on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Goodnight, TXUS. Sleep well…and dream of Key Lime Pie. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:32 AM

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:30 AM

At least it’s not Brooklyn where “suspended sentence” means handcuffed to the ceiling fan.

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Nite Jackie

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Sittin’ Here Alone – Hound Dog Taylor

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:34 AM

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:32 AM

LOL! Made me laugh.:)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:34 AM

Audition for the Role of Barack Obama……

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Very beautiful. Thank you. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

It’s been a crazy day for me and it’s starting to show.
Da-beeble, da-beeble, that’s all folks.

G’nite all.

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

LOL! Good evening, williamg. :) Good to see you.

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Goodnight, viking01. Come back soon. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:39 AM

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Hiya, Weird Science!

Missed you.

Resist We Much on August 16, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Another crisp and perspicacious reference…..

You’re Right On – I AM that guy in the movie…..but all of my experiments wen awry…..

I missed you too, Sophie…..

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Thanks. Ahr vwahr and mercy buckets.

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:41 AM

I’m A Woman – Koko Taylor

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:41 AM

viking01 on August 16, 2013 at 1:41 AM

LOL! :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Hi William.

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:26 AM

…..Brother Schade!…..

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Who got banned?
just curious of course-since I have absolutely no familiarity with that sort of thing.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 16, 2013 at 12:22 AM

ATTENTION!…ATTENTION!…not bluegill!…she don’t like to chit chat here…so she’s trolling down in the Gulch… lamenting ultra conservative President Mitch….I think… that’s why she goes there!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

LOL! Good evening, williamg. :) Good to see you.

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

; ).……..<3

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:45 AM

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Still? LOL!

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:45 AM

I Just Want To Make Love To You – Willie Dixon

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Audition for the Role of Barack Obama……

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM

…IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII don’t think…any of them can golf!………..oh…wait!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Never underestimate the inestimable.

Murphy9 on August 16, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Boom Boom Boom – John Lee Hooker/ZZTop

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:49 AM

LOL! Good evening, williamg. :) Good to see you.

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

I meant:

: )……<3

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM

LOL! Good. For a second there I thought you wanted to practice archery. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM

…I know you don’t like me doing that Schade…but I can’t help it!…I don’t like people who don’t have the courage of their convictions…and are just… l o o n s !

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Gimme All Your Lovin’ – ZZTop

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:53 AM

LOL! Good. For a second there I thought you wanted to practice archery. :)

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:51 AM

….heh!

williamg on August 16, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Fade To Black – Dire Straits

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Think of tomorrow, remember the past, live in the moment.

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:59 AM

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 1:59 AM

…I like your… “live in the light!”

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Thanks, KOOLAID2. :)

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on August 16, 2013 at 2:36 AM

In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 16, 2013 at 2:53 AM

Obama’s playing a lot of spades as Coptic churches burn.

profitsbeard on August 16, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Resist We Much — you still up? I’d love some links to your skull-crushing posts on Dems v. Rep voting on anti-lynching and Civil Rights legislation in yesterday’s QOTD.

John the Libertarian on August 16, 2013 at 4:20 AM

Obama’s playing a lot of spades as Coptic churches burn.
profitsbeard on August 16, 2013 at 3:33 AM

Something tells me this isn’t his first rodeo.

Murphy9 on August 16, 2013 at 6:02 AM

President Obama played his fourth round of golf in five days on Thursday after breaking from his vacation to condemn the violence in Egypt.

this burns me up so much…the grief W got for playing golf and he actually stopped after 3 outings and this man has gone out 100+ times during times of strife…

the lsm double standard just irks me to no end…

along with them not mentioning the D next to their stories on Filner and Jackson otherwise they would have been called conservative republican mayor yada yada yada….

man, i’m not having a good friday so far….

wheres the coffee?

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:27 AM

politico and mj crew are happy that the gop feel that they are worse off now than after the 2012 election…

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:30 AM

if the gop would only listen to me about how to handle all of this
-mj smugly

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:31 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! O/T: “WWE “Rassler” Comes Out as Gay…Just in Time to Tell School Children About It.” How…sweet?
My take.

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 6:35 AM

so the gop should have shown respect to trayvon’s family instead of zimmerman or they would be in like flynn…the gop needs to focus on social issues like gay marriage and civil rights
-mj crew whining

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:36 AM

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 6:35 AM

yup social engineering in high gear…thats why the left only wants to talk about marriage equality and the gop should just tow the line like everyone else or they are going to get shut out in the cold…

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:43 AM

cmsinaz you must be some kind of superlative masochist to subject yourself to that fever swamp! This early in the morning too!

Murphy9 on August 16, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Murphy9 on August 16, 2013 at 6:43 AM

i jsut turned it off…usually i listen to it as I get ready for work but its just getting ridiculous…SSDD with these folks…

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:45 AM

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 6:43 AM

Yep. Pathetic.

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! O/T: “WWE “Rassler” Comes Out as Gay…Just in Time to Tell School Children About It.” How…sweet?
My take.
kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 6:35 AM

How silly. The guy was asked about the issue in an unplanned interview and he answered matter-of-factly. Your insinuation that it was done for the benefit of “children” is kinda weird.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:20 AM

The Middle East is in flames.
No surprise there.
This is what happens when a rodeo clown is elected president.

George Bush, “cowboy”.
Barack Obama, “rodeo clown”.

justltl on August 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM

I have been disappointed to see the lack of condemnation of the silly birthers complaining about Cruz.

I believe we need to mock such people with the same ferocity and condescension that the Obama campaign showed the Obama birthers. The truth is that the birthers will never be satisfied, no matter how much you try to reason with their provide evidence for why they are wrong. There’s no point in exchanging respectfully with them.

Just say no to birtherism.

That is my take for the day.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:24 AM

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Who asked you, “Severely Conservative”, Troll?

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 7:25 AM

George Bush, “cowboy”.
Barack Obama, “rodeo clown”.

justltl on August 16, 2013 at 7:21 AM

+1

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Or maybe it’s best to just ignore the birthers and to not give them any coverage they don’t deserve.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:26 AM

Just tuned in to Moaning Joe for a minute. Obama has lost Zbignev (sp?) Brezinski on Egypt. Can’t he just eat his waffles and enjoy his vacation?

Naturally Curly on August 16, 2013 at 7:26 AM

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:20 AM
Who asked you, “Severely Conservative”, Troll?
kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 7:25 AM

If you don’t want feedback, then maybe you should get out of the blogging business.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Naturally Curly on August 16, 2013 at 7:26 AM

fore!

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Middle East historians and analysts say that the political and economic stagnation under decades of autocratic rule that led to the uprisings also left Arab countries ill equipped to build new governments and civil society. While some of the movements achieved their initial goals, removing longtime leaders in four countries, their wider aims — democracy, dignity, human rights, social equality and economic security — now appear more distant than ever.

The morons at the New York Times will never get it, will they? In order for a polis to develop the infrastructure for “democracy, dignity, human rights, social equality, and economic security” it must abandon the 7th century death cult, not embrace it. They refuse to recognize its role in that area’s stagnation.

But since they themselves have abandoned the one worldview that has been historically responsible for Western Civilization’s progress into these realms and embraced a collectivist mindset which has no history of doing so, what can we expect from them?

They, and THEIR worldview, a secular humanist worldview, MUST be rejected.

Cleombrotus on August 16, 2013 at 7:33 AM

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:27 AM

And, if you can’t stop being an obnoxious, trolling horse’s rear, perhaps you should go to dkos or huffpo, where your “brilliance” would be truly appreciated.

Now, have a hjissy fit. Wait…I’ll help:

Sarah Palin will be our next President!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 7:34 AM

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Okay, so, you are allowed to post your opinion, but I am not allowed to say I think it is silly or weird?

You are the one calling people names now.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:40 AM

The old memes of having an Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement to bring peace to the ME has fallen down flat on its face.

Egypt was at peace internally, albeit from a dictator, and mass mayhem was kept at bay.

Ditto Syria where the police state quelled much of any ideas of liberty and freedom, and kept a ruling family in power.

Neither of those was due to a Jewish conspiracy. The infiltration of Islamists into the Turkish government to neuter the military is, likewise, not from a lack of a Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement. Are the hard-line Islamists now merely fronts for the Jews? Try that in a coffee house in Istanbul and hear the guffaws of laughter.

The MB, when in power, attempted to push sharia law down the throats of Egyptians and not hold to their pre-election agreements and are now called on that deceit. If you try to place Israel at the center of blame, then you must be prepared to make the argument that the MB is a Jewish front group, founded by Jews before the State of Israel appeared, and is run and directed by Jews… and that cannot be swallowed by anyone in the ME.

The Palestinians are left to wonder just how they can have a people, a culture, land and borders and yet they just can’t figure out how to form a Nation. Little Kosovo figured that one out with a much smaller population, so what’s up with the lackluster Palestinians. Since it is the armed wing of the MB, HAMAS, and the old PLO terror organizations in charge in Palestine, is it to be believed that THESE are mere Israeli front-groups as well? You know with Code Pink and the Ayers’ wanting to support HAMAS? Try that at any souk in the ME and see if you can get any buyers.

Nope the meme that the Jews are responsible for the disorder of the ME is dead. Now suitable for a laughtrack by any surviving comedians in the Arab ME.

See all those Islamists and ‘Arab Spring’ types now with bloody hands? No one put them up to that. They did have their own little conspiracy, fueled by KSA funding of the MB, and it is strange that no one likes to point that out. Conspiracies are supposed to happen in back rooms and alleyways with whispers and cash changing hands… not out in the open and publicly. Yet that is what has happened and an open conspiracy is still a conspiracy as they do breathe together to their own ends. Perhaps the best thing was to let these bloodthirsty conspirators take power. Now the conspiracy is open and the conspirators shown to be no better than the dictators and tyrants they opposed. And they have only themselves to blame for their lack of competence as some of them have served in actual governments, especially in North Africa, so that excuse is likewise ripped to shreds.

Mind you the bloody ones are the ones Obama and the State Dept. have backed… and the latter has backed them at least since FDR met with the Saudi’s if not as far back as Wilson not going after the Ottoman Turks in WWI. America needs a foreign policy house cleaning and to do it the right way without the results of Syria, Egypt and other places now embroiled in a struggle for life against tyrants and dictators who seek power and Islam as their excuse to be barbaric to get it. Obama is the capstone to decades of FAIL, and it shows in the redness of the policy involved.

ajacksonian on August 16, 2013 at 8:00 AM

cmsinaz on August 16, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Bush vs. Obama

justltl on August 16, 2013 at 8:19 AM

If you don’t want feedback, then maybe you should get out of the blogging business.

blueballs on August 16, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Okay, so, you are allowed to post your opinion, but I am not allowed to say I think it is silly or weird?

You are the one calling people names now.

blueballs on August 16, 2013 at 7:40 AM

…you just have your head in a permanent leg lock all the time…with your lips… facing North…and your mouth… straining for more!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

They ought to rename this thread birther idiotville. Nothing but a bunch of know-nothing wannabes!!

I hate to be so blunt, but you guys are a bunch of bitter, deluded losers.

You cling to some stupid fairytale about an incompetent former governor, while you jealously try to hold back real conservative leaders of the future. You guys are worse than I ever imagined.

Ted Cruz is the future, and you dodo cultists can sit around in gulch fantasyland while Cruz and the real patriots of this country get things back on track.

Thank you very much, and good day.

blueball on August 16, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Sarah Palin really does appeal to the dumbest of the dumb.

blueball on August 16, 2013 at 12:59 AM

…(down in the Gulch)

silly or weird?

You are the one calling people names now.

blueball on August 16, 2013 at 7:40 AM

……bawhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!…I think she is one of Speaker Boner’s ba11s!…oh!…she IS it!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Or maybe it’s best to just ignore the birthers and to not give them any coverage they don’t deserve.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:26 AM

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NO … don’t do that !

I couldn’t live without arguing with you.

listens2glenn on August 16, 2013 at 8:54 AM

I have been disappointed to see the lack of condemnation of the silly birthers complaining about Cruz.

I believe we need to mock such people with the same ferocity and condescension that the Obama campaign showed the Obama birthers. The truth is that the birthers will never be satisfied, no matter how much you try to reason with their provide evidence for why they are wrong. There’s no point in exchanging respectfully with them.

Just say no to birtherism.

That is my take for the day.

bluegill on August 16, 2013 at 7:24 AM

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So … you won’t mind if Schwarzenegger runs?

listens2glenn on August 16, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I’m sorry that I didn’t get back to you, Princess Bluegill. I had to drive to what we adults call “a job.”.

To answer you, yes, you can criticize me, you did. And, I gave me response, in the same manner if which your citicism was given: pompous and petulant.

It’s Friday. I’m tired. And, I’m in no mood to tolerate whiney little attention-seeking, thread-disrupting Trolls like you.

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM

It is clear that the region’s old status quo, dominated by imperious rulers who fixed elections, ruled by fiat and quashed dissent, has been fundamentally damaged,

Wow, for a second there I thought you were talking about here.

Kissmygrits on August 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Nite Bmore – worry not, I’ll git you back.

I know you will my friend. ; )

Bmore on August 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM

So … you won’t mind if Schwarzenegger runs?

listens2glenn on August 16, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I hope that none of you, bluegill-wars aside, think, even remotely, that Schwarzenegger and Cruz are in the same situation.

Arnold was born in Austria, to two Austrian parents.

Cruz was born in Canada, was an American citizen from second one, was never a Canadian, and the details have been explained a few times already, and will be hashed out thousands of times (which I will be schadenfreudig about, especially when the left does it), while the world burns, for real.

I just want the HA history to record this.

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I know you will my friend. ; )

Bmore on August 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM

What friends are for :)

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Meanwhile the NSA has been exposed with their pants down, “2200 ‘mistakes’” on illegally spying on us…

Clapper s/b fired and in jail.

obama s/b in jail.

Alas, the congress gets abortion paid for…by obama.

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM

What friends are for :)

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Hopefully good friends help one another to a good laugh these days. Laughs are in far too short of supply. ; )

Bmore on August 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Bmore on August 16, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Indeed and indeed

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM

It’s Friday. I’m tired. And, I’m in no mood to tolerate whiney little attention-seeking, thread-disrupting Trolls like you.

kingsjester on August 16, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Says guy who posts a link to his blog here everyday. Really?

DarkCurrent on August 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Really?

DarkCurrent on August 16, 2013 at 7:52 PM

…might help you…if you read it!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

…might help you…if you read it!

KOOLAID2 on August 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I do occasionally for the laughs.

DarkCurrent on August 16, 2013 at 8:44 PM

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