Progressive group poll shows “huge majority” wants Clapper prosecuted for perjury

posted at 6:01 pm on August 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Who says that progressives and conservatives can’t agree on anything?  When Barack Obama put DNI James Clapper in charge of picking a panel to get past all of the lies told about NSA surveillance activities over the last couple of years to Congress and everyone else, conservatives reminded Obama that Clapper was one of the people who misled Congress in the first place.  Two days later, a progressive activist group responds with a PPP poll showing that a “huge majority” of voters in five states think Clapper should be indicted for perjury rather than appointed to investigate it:

Voters from five states across the country — Kentucky, Texas, Iowa, California, and Hawaii — were surveyed recently in polling conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP) on behalf of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and CREDO.

When asked if the the Director of National Intelligence should be criminally prosecuted for perjury for lying to Congress about whether the government was collecting millions of phone and Internet records from ordinary Americans, a clear majority of those surveyed said he should. See full survey results below.

“James Clapper willfully lied to Congress about the government’s mass spying on Americans. If Congress is lied to, and the representatives of the people have no oversight ability, we don’t have a democracy anymore — we have a rogue government agency,” said Adam Green, PCCC co-founder. “James Clapper’s perjury was clearly criminal, and Americans from red states and blue states agree he should be held accountable.”

“There is no denying that James Clapper flat out lied to Congress about the breadth of the NSA’s secret spying programs,” said Becky Bond, Political Director for CREDO Mobile. “Attorney General Holder must hold him accountable for lying to Congress about the NSA spying on millions of innocent Americans.”

Er, sure.  The odds of Holder bringing a perjury indictment against Clapper for perjury are about as good as the DoJ’s investigation of DEA surveillance fingering Holder himself as the man who ordered it.  Besides, Holder technically wouldn’t be the one to indict Clapper.  The Senate would have to approve a criminal charge against Clapper for perjury and obstruction of Congress, which the DoJ would prosecute in federal court. (PCCC says that they are “calling on Congress to resolve this issue” as well.) The odds of either of those happening also approach nil, despite bipartisan outrage over Clapper’s misleading testimony.

Needless to say, the ratios of people in red states who want Clapper prosecuted to those opposed to it are remarkably high — like Kentucky (69/16) and Texas (68/16), better than 4:1 in favor.  In swing-state Iowa, it’s almost 5:1 at 65/14.  But even in securely Democratic states like Hawaii (57/20) and California (54/14), it’s stark and unmistakable.

Salon’s David Sirota wonders whether we’ll soon see television spots demanding the prosecution of Clapper:

PCCC is already running a campaign to try to force a formal investigation into the NSA’s activities. Will we soon see ads by congressional candidates criticizing the administration’s failure to prosecute Clapper? Last week, D.C. political operatives mgiht have laughed at that idea.

But with these new polls, it doesn’t seem so far fetched. In fact, it seems more and more like shrewd politics – especially if the White House continues to grant de facto immunity to Clapper and others who hid potentially illegal and unconstitutional surveillance from Congress.

I still think the idea is far-fetched.  It does, however, point to a potentially devastating credibility issue for the Obama administration, who would have been well advised to dump Clapper as soon as it became clear that the NSA story wasn’t going away.  That’s not going to get better by stonewalling the issue, or taking no action other than to have the foxes investigate how the henhouse could be so vulnerable.

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Prosecute him…

OmahaConservative on August 15, 2013 at 6:05 PM

What we don’t know is what is killing us…

d1carter on August 15, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Faux scandal.
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CW on August 15, 2013 at 6:06 PM

How do they feel about the “incredibly accomplished” Hillary Clinton and HER testimony?

PappyD61 on August 15, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Shouldn’t we do the same for Obama the Dear Liar?

Galt2009 on August 15, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Wow I actually agree with a lib
Fox news alert

Holder won’t do squat

cmsinaz on August 15, 2013 at 6:10 PM

You know, I’ve got a strange feeling that when Clapper investigates Clapper, he’s going to find Clapper innocent.

Galt2009 on August 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Clappers is THE LIAR’S liar. Nothing will happen to him.

Resist We Much on August 15, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I’d put him further down on the list. Go after Hillary on Benghazi, Lois Lerner, et al, on the IRS scandal, Eric Holder on Fast & Furious (accessory to murder charges sound good there) and the guy in charge of all these criminals: Dear Liar.

rbj on August 15, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Just don’t try lying under oath before Congress ‘at home.’

YOU ARE NO JAMES CLAPPER, THE LIAR’S LIAR!

And, doncha forget it!!!

Resist We Much on August 15, 2013 at 6:15 PM

I also want to know when Lois Lerner and Sarah Ingram are going to prison.

locomotivebreath1901 on August 15, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Of course he should be.

pat on August 15, 2013 at 6:18 PM

“In your face America!” – the president

forest on August 15, 2013 at 6:21 PM

“The Senate would have to approve a criminal charge against Clapper for perjury and obstruction of Congress, which the DoJ would prosecute in federal court.”

All the more reason for the House to prod the Senate by voting for the action. Put the Dems in the Senate on the hot seat.

Dusty on August 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

How do they feel about the “incredibly accomplished” Hillary Clinton and HER testimony?

PappyD61 on August 15, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Never. Democratics and their base distinguish between those that are disposable and those that they would die for. Clapper is definitely under-the-bus material and Hillary is not.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2013 at 6:25 PM

For some reason this reminds me of Jamie Gorelic.

Don’t know what the co-relation might be . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on August 15, 2013 at 6:27 PM

If Congress is lied to, and the representatives of the people have no oversight ability, we don’t have a democracy anymore — we have a rogue government agency,” said Adam Green, PCCC co-founder.

If PCCC feels this way, they ought to be on board with prosecutions of Lois Lerner et al at the IRS, the EPA, OSHA, FEC, Hillary Clinton at State (it was a video!!) and some at the White House. Hello, Jay Carney? They are coming for you too, buddy.

But, of course, by Green’s reasoning the infamous “if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance” soap salesman would be public enemy number one for the PCCC. And we know that’s not the case, so I suspect there are either limits to progressive indignation or its just more self-serving BS designed to dull a possible GOP line of attack going forward.

Either way, I doubt Clapper has anything to worry about.

MTF on August 15, 2013 at 6:36 PM

This is certainly something that all righteous Americans should be able to agree on. And lets not forget Petaeus who lied to a Congressional committee three days after Benghazi and said it was because of the video. And, on the same matters, Benghazi and the NSA, how about Obama lying before the UN and the American people – that should be good for at least a couple of articles of impeachment.

VorDaj on August 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

get Clapper’s neck lined up beside the necks of all the other Liars and Corruptocrats in the Phoney’s Administration,( as well as a few GOPe necks as well I fear ..)

and then let the judicial Sword of Damocles fall … (I think it’s possible that a further Snowden leak will light the fuse )

exodus2011 on August 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

All the more reason for the House to prod the Senate by voting for the action. Put the Dems in the Senate on the hot seat.

Dusty on August 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Unless Clapper replicated the perjury before a House committee, the House can’t ask for a criminal Contempt of Congress prosecution. Even though the generic term Congress is used, the decision to ask for a criminal prosecution rests solely on the aggrieved House of Congress.

HOWEVER, as Clapper is a member of the Administration subject to Senate confirmation, he can be impeached and removed from office solely on the basis of perjuring himself before a Senate committee. Then again, we are dealing with Dingy Harry running the impeachment trial through his control of Joe Biden, and there has never been a conviction against a non-judicial target (though they did get William W. Bellknap to resign from Secretary of War in 1876.

Steve Eggleston on August 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM

[VorDaj on August 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM]

I wouldn’t mind seeing a whole lot of them prosecuted. They’ll get a fair trial.

Dusty on August 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Don’t worry Obama will call McCain and his sidekick and they will ride to save Clapper and make look bipartisan as well.

William Eaton on August 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I hope we once again have reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There’s a clear cause and effective here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts. Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. the country is safe only when the people rule.

Ronald Regan and Benjermain Franklin

Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship. Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it. The tools of the tyrant are used to keep the Tyrant in power. Who is the true Tyrant behind the curtain of OZ? Is it the Democrats or could just be what our two party system has evolved into? With all of this we are looking at the creation and perpetuation of a Clinton Dynasty.

The tools of the Dictatorship:

Obama
Bidden
Clapper
Clinton
Reid
Pelosi
Holder

jpcpt03 on August 15, 2013 at 6:50 PM

[Steve Eggleston on August 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM]

I had originally typed it up as the House ‘voting and sending to the Senate’, but opted for the more vague ‘prod with a vote’ because it was at a Senate Committee where Clapper lied, thinking a House resolution could be done.

The voting would be symbolic, but it would ratchet things up a bit in Congress. Putting and keeping the opposition on the hot seat by keeping the issue alive is one thing the R’s don’t do very well.

Anyway, thanks for the background info Steve. You’re invaluable when it comes to detail on proceedings, amongst other things.

Dusty on August 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Clapper should be indicted for perjury rather than appointed to investigate it:

Well he does know where all the dirt is!

GarandFan on August 15, 2013 at 6:57 PM

FLASH: Howard Dean is heading for Iowa!

The Scream: The Sequel?

Resist We Much on August 15, 2013 at 7:00 PM

FLASH: Howard Dean is heading for Iowa!

The Scream: The Sequel?

Resist We Much on August 15, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Maybe The Screamer has got a heads-up on what is coming down the pike wrt Benghazi and Seal Team 6, and is trying to become some kind of National Leader for the DEMs, (since both Killary and The Gaffetastic Biden will be sunk with the Corrupt Obama Regime?)

exodus2011 on August 15, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Polls like this one are inherently bogus. They are paid for by advocacy groups, with no competing polls, no one checking on their veracity, and no counter-polls with different wording, to balance out the obvious slanted wording in the first poll.

Polls like this are not intended to reflect public opinion, they are paid for solely to CREATE A TALKING POINT so you can have headlines like these to INFLUENCE public opinion.

In reality, I’m quite sure that 95% of Americans have no idea who Clapper even is. Of the 5% who have heard of him, probably 70% disapprove of him. That’s, like, a 3% disapproval rate.

But the poll was undoubtedly worded like this:

“A lying lair named Clapper lied to you and to the world. Do you think it’s right to pay him a big wad of money to pretend to investigate himself as to whether or not he lied, since it’s almost certain he will lie again?”

Gee, I wonder what kind of results the poll will produce.

That said: Of course he’s a lying scuzzball defending the corrupt Obama administration.

But we should call out bogus polls nonetheless.

Zombie on August 15, 2013 at 7:16 PM

stonewalling is what this group does best, and they’re very successful at it – thanks to a national press that ranges from disinterested to actively running interference for them.

It’s amazing, really. They refuse to hold their feet to the fire for longer than one news cycle at a time. They’ll write the story, put it on p18 below the fold, then forget about it. When accused of not pushing the story, they say the public doesn’t care. Well, no one really cared about 90% of dubya’s problems until after the constant drip, drip, drip on the nightly news.

moflicky on August 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Hey, cut Congress some slack. It’s not like Clapper lied about using steroids or something.

Barnestormer on August 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM

You can’t reveal secret information. If asked a question where the answer is classified, you cannot answer truthfully. If refusing to answer makes it obvious what the answer is, you have to lie.
The person asking the question was basically ordering him to lie, so I don’t blame Clapper.

Count to 10 on August 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM

It’s exasperating to see so many people who claim to be on the right give the Marxists cover for their dream of gutting national defense.

Count to 10 on August 15, 2013 at 7:59 PM

How do they feel about the “incredibly accomplished” Hillary Clinton and HER testimony?

PappyD61 on August 15, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Yeah, really.

They just need some poor sap to be the fall guy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 15, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Seems to me that they should depose Reggie Love.
Quit wasting time on clapped traps.
Lib

seesalrun2 on August 15, 2013 at 8:19 PM

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 15, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Clapper should swear to tell the whole truth, hand on the Bible, the Koran and the Communist Manifesto (see which one he goes for).

virgo on August 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM

No, we don’t want to try him for perjury just yet. He’s about to do an investigation of his own department. We should be able to catch him in some REAL whoppers, in that report.

kjatexas on August 16, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Congress only charges retired baseball players with perjury.

DFCtomm on August 16, 2013 at 1:20 AM

You won’t see Obama throwing Clapper or Holder under the bus. They know too much and will get Presidential pardons eventually.

Vince on August 16, 2013 at 2:19 AM