Rand Paul on whether Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen: I’m no Birther

posted at 2:41 pm on August 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Daily Caller. I believe him, but if Cruz jumps into the presidential race and starts gobbling up Paul’s support among tea partiers in Iowa, I wonder how many Paul fans — and Hillary fans — will be willing to take a “closer look” at the issue.

This wasn’t the only mention of Cruz’s eligibility on CNN yesterday either. They devoted an entire segment to it during Wolf Blitzer’s show, as you’ll see below. Maybe Birtherism is another issue, like aggressive counterterrorism and unilateral executive action, on which the press will take a more respectful, nuanced line now that doing so benefits Democrats. Anyway, let me borrow Ace’s question from yesterday since I glossed over it in my own post on Cruz’s eligibility: Why shouldn’t a child born abroad inherit American citizenship from a parent who’s a citizen? What’s the logic for denying that kid dual-citizen status and then letting him choose which nation to commit to once he’s of age? I can imagine circumstances in which a citizen’s loyalty to the U.S. is deemed questionable due to the circumstances of what they’re doing abroad — e.g., if they’re working for a foreign government — but if you relocated for, say, business reasons and you choose to accept all of the obligations that come with remaining a U.S. citizen, why should that status be withdrawn from you or your kid? Defining “natural born” as “born on U.S. soil” means that Cruz somehow would be perfectly okay if his mother had crossed back into the U.S. the day before he was born, gave birth here, and then took off back to Canada the day after. Rationally, how would that give us any more confidence about his loyalty to America than him being born in Calgary and then moving to America as a kid?

Read DrewM’s post about the statutory test for determining citizenship for a child born to an American abroad in 1970, as Cruz was. It aims to gauge, however roughly, the parent’s loyalty to America by examining how long they resided here. If they lived in the U.S. for 10 years, five of which came after their 14th birthday (i.e. during their formative years, when their political and patriotic identity was being shaped), then their child inherits citizenship from them. I suggested a residency requirement myself yesterday as a replacement for the natural-born test of presidential eligibility. Birthplace doesn’t tell you much about loyalty. Residence for a long stretch of time does.

Here’s Paul talking about Cruz and about Palin taking his side against Chris Christie, followed by the Blitzer segment.


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Hee, hee. Well played.

Now where was Christie born?

mwbri on August 14, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Cool, let the stupidity ensue, anew.

We’ll see at least 500 such threads bef. Nov. 2016.

It’s so cool. Capitalism is good.

Might as well move this thread to the left.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I believe him, but if Cruz jumps into the presidential race and starts gobbling up Paul’s support among tea partiers in Iowa, I wonder how many Paul fans — and Hillary fans — will be willing to take a “closer look” at the issue.

That’s the good part of having minions. And Paul’s daddy perfected the process by which one creates brain-dead single-issue minions. Especially in a format like they have in Iowa.

Happy Nomad on August 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM

That CNN chick is way stupid.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Cruz didn’t have Canadian citizenship at birth so there’s no ‘dual citizenship’ involved.

Canada’s birthright citizenship statute did NOT go into effect until 14 February 1977.

Also, James Madison, who wrote Article II, voted for the Naturalisation Act of 1790, which said:

‘the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens…’

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Born to a US citizen = natural born citizen.

And let’s be honest: we wouldn’t have this discussion if Cruz’s name were Smith, and he had been born in England to an American citizen mother with both parents being of Western European descent.

Yeah, I don’t like throwing down the “racist” card…but some people deserve it.

DRayRaven on August 14, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Where were all these questions for Obama, wolfie?

cmsinaz on August 14, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Rand Paul on whether Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen: I’m no Birther

Not to worry- they’ll be along shortly.

M240H on August 14, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Reggie Love says he and President Obama played cards during the Osama bin Laden raid, and that the president told him, “I can’t watch this entire thing.”

Whoa!

Now, does it seem so unlikely that Obama was far from the Situation Room during Benghazi?

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 2:58 PM

(Sighs) Rogers v. Bellie, 401 U.S. 815, 829 (1971)

“‘But it (the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment) has not touched the acquisition of citizenship by being born abroad of American parents; and has left that subject to be regulated, as it had always been, by Congress, in the exercise of the power conferred by the constitution to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.’
“Thus, at long last, there emerged an express constitutional definition of citizenship. But it was one restricted to the combination of three factors, each and all significant: birth in the United States, naturalization in the United States, and subjection to the jurisdiction of the United States. The definition obviously did not apply to any acquisition of citizenship by being born abroad of an American parent. That type, and any other not covered by the Fourteenth Amendment, was necessarily left to proper congressional action.”

Then read 18 U.S.C. section 1401(g) as Byron York has already pointed to: “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”

Game. Set. Match. Enough.

cdog0613 on August 14, 2013 at 2:59 PM

And let’s be honest: we wouldn’t have this discussion if Cruz’s name were Smith, and he had been born in England to an American citizen mother with both parents being of Western European descent.

Yeah, I don’t like throwing down the “racist” card…but some people deserve it.

DRayRaven on August 14, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Hey after so many years of the left throwing down so many race cards it is like playing 52 card pick-up, I say it high time we start calling out the racism of the enemy. There is no reason why the same people who tried to make the unfortunate death of a worthless street thug into a hate crime stayed mute when three black thugs brutally attacked a white kid on the school bus. There is no reason not to call Harry Reid a racist when he suggests that any dissent to the will of the rat-eared tyrant is due to race.

Happy Nomad on August 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Might as well move this thread to the left.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 2:48 PM

All your click bait threads in a box to the left.

On the homepage, that’s whats up
If its birthers, baby please don’t touch.
And keep checking Birth certs, its fine
But could check and walk at the same time and
Its Cruz’ name on that Certi
So pull up your (micro)scope
Its the only way you can cope
Standing in the front yard, yelling out
Being such a fool, talking bout
We’ll never prove he’s eligible
Got y’all twisted
You’ll never Birth check me
You’ll never Birth check me
Birthers have a new excuse, every minute
Matter fact here they come, in a minute..Baby….

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Hee, hee. Well played.
Now where was Christie born?
mwbri on August 14, 2013 at 2:44 PM

A Krispy Kreme shop?

aryeung on August 14, 2013 at 3:04 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Chris Matthews: One Of The Original Birthers?

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Hm. Someone forgot his anti-siezure meds today …

M240H on August 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Rand Paul on whether Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen: I’m no Birther

True. Should be apparent by now that anyone, and I mean anyone can become President.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Why do so many people keep talking as if Dual Citizenship is illegal in this country?

“Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens.”

I get that a lot of people dislike the practice, but that doesn’t make it against the law.

Tom Servo on August 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I was a Birther, before Birthers were cool.

faraway on August 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Another unintelligible of the intelligentsia, ala Cornel West, thinks he’s a rap star.

Comedy. Gold.

M240H on August 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM

AUTOPLAY IS EVIL

faraway on August 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Birthplace doesn’t tell you much about loyalty.

Isn’t that the trutth.

Look at the Hawaiian-born dope currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and his loyalty to the US.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM

trutth = truth

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Maybe Paul and Cruz like and respect each other and it’s no more complicated than that.

gophergirl on August 14, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Birthers have a new excuse, every minute
Matter fact here they come, in a minute..Baby….

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Do you teach your “students” that among the very first people to float the Birther idea vs. O’bama was Hillary Clinton? See “2008″ for plenty of links.

BTW, are you also going to “teach” your students about how Madame Hillary flubbed the name of Medgar Evars the other day? She called him “Medgar Evans”, proving indisputably that she’s The Smartest Woman in the World.

Of course, had the evil Sarah Palin made such a flub, she would be laughed out of Alaska.

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Chris Matthews: One Of The Original Birthers?

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Clintons the First ‘Birthers’?

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Medgar Evars Evers

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM

FIFM

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Fool, you got the meaning of “left” confused.

Meant on the left side of HA.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

This whole “issue” will go away once everyone realizes Cruz isn’t running for president.

happytobehere on August 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Now where was Christie born?

mwbri on August 14, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I think most people from NJ are spawned at the Wonka factory…

Ooompa Loompa Doopa

tetriskid on August 14, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Yeppers.

Liveenslavedthendie should Google the following, too:

NYT: McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

NYT: A Hint of New Life to a McCain Birth Issue.

WaPo: McCain’s Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate

NBC: Oh-eight (R): Born in the USA?

CBS: Starting Gate: The Center Holds

NBC (by Pete Williams): McCain’s citizenship called into question.

PolitiFact: Was McCain born in the USA?

Daily Kooks: The Bombshell on McCain’s Birth Certificate

Dallas Morning News: McCain’s Citizenship Still In Question

WSJ Law Blog: Does John McCain Have a Birthplace Problem?

UPI: McCain not natural-born citizen, prof says

Snopes.com: The Natural

Times of London: McCain’s Panama birth prompts eligibility probe by his campaign

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM

many people believe there are only 2 class of citizens… naturalized and natural-born. i don’t believe for one second that an anchor baby is eligible to be president, so in my my there must be a 3rd class. my understanding has always been you must be born to citizen parents (plural) who hold no allegiance to another nation to be president.

p.s. i love cruz and would never vote for christie.

dbilly76 on August 14, 2013 at 3:44 PM

O/T Heh! The Million Obama Mask March
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-million-obama-mask-march-t11528.html

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Meant on the left side of HA.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

*Sigh* You and just about everyone else on here need to come out from under the rocks you live under. The last decade and a half of culture did actually happen. Here, maybe this will be in more familiar terms. Lighten up.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM

But sorry everyone, next time I’ll take the Birther threads more seriously or something….

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Another birther thread…already?
The other one is still alive and kickin’.

verbaluce on August 14, 2013 at 4:15 PM

It is funny how the media respects the nuance of the matter now that it is Cruz as oppose to Obama.

Read DrewM’s post about the statutory test for determining citizenship for a child born to an American abroad in 1970, as Cruz was.

So, a statute can modify the Constitutional qualification for POTUS. Interesting. So, if that statute is changed next year to include or exclude somebody, does that change the term of art Natural Born Citizen as used in the Constitution, or does that phrase have an intended meaning separate and apart from the shifting citizenship rules subsequently laid down by Congress (rather than by amending the Constitution itself).

The Constitution was apparently written on an Etch-A-Sketch and gets shaken every few years.

tommylotto on August 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM

It is funny how the media respects the nuance of the matter now that it is Cruz as oppose to Obama.

tommylotto on August 14, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Oh…’the media’.
With respect to someone born on US soil (Obama) vs someone not (Cruz)?
They differ in that, but they don’t in that they are both eligible to be POTUS.

verbaluce on August 14, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Reggie Love says he and President Obama played cards during the Osama bin Laden raid, and that the president told him, “I can’t watch this entire thing.”

Whoa!

Now, does it seem so unlikely that Obama was far from the Situation Room during Benghazi?

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 2:58 PM

So in the homosexual subculture, what does “playing cards” mean?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

So in the homosexual subculture, what does “playing cards” mean?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I’m sure your strange imagination is affording you many meanings.

verbaluce on August 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

So in the homosexual subculture, what does “playing cards” mean?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You’ll need to ask liveenslavedthendie.

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

*Sigh* You and just about everyone else on here need to come out from under the rocks you live under. The last decade and a half of culture did actually happen. Here, maybe this will be in more familiar terms. Lighten up.

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM

So not having Beyonce’s (sp?) crap songs tattooed to the inside of one’s auditory cortex makes one uncultured?

stefanite on August 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Those that think Cruz is not a Natural Born Citizen will now come along and tell us Madison and Washington (who signed the Naturalisation Act of 1790) did not understand the true meaning of Natural Born…and only they do!

William Eaton on August 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM

So in the homosexual subculture, what does “playing cards” mean?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You’ll need to ask liveenslavedthendie.

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I’m gonna help you guys out.
It could mean a few things.
Poker, Bridge, Rummy…maybe even Spades.

verbaluce on August 14, 2013 at 5:20 PM

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Well you weren’t born in the traditional sense. You were “shitted”- isn’t that how reproduction happens?

CW on August 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Its settled law, right? So whats the problem? Even I get it. ; )

Bmore on August 14, 2013 at 6:00 PM

So in the homosexual subculture, what does “playing cards” mean?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You’ll need to ask liveenslavedthendie.

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

See, -after the Andie Cooper incident with the TEA Party, I resolved to always check alternate word definitions with the homosexual protected class.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Well you weren’t born in the traditional sense. You were “shitted”- isn’t that how reproduction happens?

CW on August 14, 2013 at 5:44 PM

You always go weird…..

libfreeordie on August 14, 2013 at 6:55 PM

faraway on August 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM

I will never be a birther-nor will I ever cast my vote for one.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 14, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Why do so many people keep talking as if Dual Citizenship is illegal in this country?

“Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens.”

I get that a lot of people dislike the practice, but that doesn’t make it against the law.

Tom Servo on August 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Hi-keeba.

thejackal on August 15, 2013 at 5:59 AM

“I’m staying out of that.”

As is Ted Cruz himself.

“I can tell you where I was born and who my parents were. And then as a legal matter, others can worry about that. I’m not going to engage,”

Bmore on August 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Birthers like Bmore embarrass this site.

bluegill on March 30, 2014 at 3:13 PM