Dem Congressman on ObamaCare: Hey, the Constitution had its problems, too

posted at 12:41 pm on August 14, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

So did Social Security and Medicare, Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY) assures MSNBC viewers in his appearance on Morning Joe in defense of ObamaCare.  The comparison to the Constitution is the silliest and least on-point, especially when considering the obstinacy of the Obama administration in working with Congress to fix the problems that even the White House sees with the mandates.  Meeks’ other comparisons are much better — although not for his position on ObamaCare (via the NRCC):

Rep. Meeks: Well, you know, when Social Security first came out, people didn’t understand that completely. When MediCare came out, people didn’t understand that completely. But over time we developed, we got it right. The fact of the matter is, when the Constitution came out, people didn’t understand that. And there were problems in the Constitution. We didn’t say get rid of the Constitution, we fixed it.

First off, the Constitution’s function was to limit the power of the federal government, especially in its original form. That alone makes Meeks’ analogy exceedingly strange, given the Affordable Care Act’s massive expansion of power, even to the point of forcing all Americans to buy health insurance as a consequence of breathing.

Let’s take a look at the other two comparisons, though.  Both Social Security and Medicare were initially launched as limited programs that would cover a very small percentage of Americans, and therefore remain cost-limited. Decades later, both programs are deep in the hole, especially Medicare, which has potentially hundreds of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, thanks to political pandering and refusal to index eligibility to life expectancy or income. In fact, one of the main arguments for ObamaCare from Democrats was that it would fix Medicare’s oncoming fiscal disaster.  Meanwhile, providers are bailing out of the Medicare system in droves, thanks to irrational reimbursements and red tape.

Meeks is correct — we have every reason to believe that ObamaCare, with its mandates, subsidies, and avalanche of regulation will turn out exactly like Medicare and Social Security.  Outside of the cloakrooms of the House and Senate Democratic caucuses and the Oval Office, though, that’s not considered an endorsement.


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What will it take to restore law and order in this country???…

PatriotRider on August 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

So many fools on TV lately…it’s risible.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Yep, it will turn out exactly like Medicare and Social Security. That after all is the plan, get more and more people dependent on the Federal Government so it can continue it’s endless spiral of growth, all the while eliminating or reducing any private options.

Johnnyreb on August 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

What will it take to restore law and order in this country???…

PatriotRider on August 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

See Egypt thread.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

You can’t fix stupid.

kingsjester on August 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Epic fail

cmsinaz on August 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Amen KJ

cmsinaz on August 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Citing the experience of adopting the Constitution in support of the clusterphuck created by an unconstitutional enactment.

Classic.

BuckeyeSam on August 14, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Don’t worry. You are part of the ruling elite and you are expempt from obamcacare.

“Seperate but equal healthcare”. Maybe you’ve heard that seperate but equal terms somewhere before???

acyl72 on August 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Dem Congressman on ObamaCare: Hey, the Constitution had its problems, too

Ummmm, yeah, nice statement there Champ.

I seem to recall “learning” in school that the Constitution
was created at the start of our nation. You know, that
Grand Experiment kind of Thingy?

We have been established for over 200 years now…nice time
to be Grand Experimenting, no?

ToddPA on August 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You can’t fix stupid.

kingsjester on August 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

You can put a sign on it though.

oldroy on August 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Do black constituencies make a special point of electing stunningly stupid candidates?

pat on August 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Rep. Meeks: Well, you know, when Social Security first came out, people didn’t understand that completely. When MediCare came out, people didn’t understand that completely.

 
The evolution, management, and cost of those gives us the ability to make predictions about Obamacare.
 
Y’all are the ones relying on faith.

rogerb on August 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Greg Meeks is a clown.

jaime on August 14, 2013 at 12:56 PM

O/T Jesse Jackson Jr. just got 30 months

txmomof6 on August 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM

O/T Jesse Jackson Jr. just got 30 months

txmomof6 on August 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Too bad it wasn’t 30 years.

ToddPA on August 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM

tar baby, they has it

DanMan on August 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

With a genius like this helping to run the Country, what possibly could go wrong. My real point is, is this the best we can do!

rjoco1 on August 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.

-Dr. Joseph Mengele

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

You can’t fix stupid.

kingsjester on August 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM

You Can’t Fix Stupid, But…

lol

Resist We Much on August 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM

What will it take to restore law and order in this country???…

PatriotRider on August 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Gotta take it to the states. Go to your state capital and demand that your state reps pass nullification acts STAT.

gryphon202 on August 14, 2013 at 1:13 PM

O/T Jesse Jackson Jr. just got 30 months

txmomof6 on August 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Utter BS. Hell be out in 6 months for good behavior. They’ll put him in one of those “white collar” facilities where they have no fences, rec facilities and conjugal visits. No chance of getting shivved there.

they’ll probably give the rodeo clown in MO more time than that.

If it were a white conservative that stole that much he’d be doing hard time in some max security prison without parole.

acyl72 on August 14, 2013 at 1:14 PM

It was the Articles of Confederation that had problems. Rep. Meeks is retconning history.

ErnstBlofeld on August 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM

How soon before they start comparing the 0bamacare bill to the Bible? I mean, other than the fact that the Bible is shorter?

CurtZHP on August 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Who elects these morons to Congress??

dpduq on August 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM

This is the face of the black man that holds the right thinking black person down……Keep em on the plantation as long as I get mine and I can get to make dumb asinine comments

crosshugger on August 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Why would a so-called conservative blog not have one thread mentioning Mark Levin’s Liberty Amendments book?

One of the biggest names in conservatism proposes constitutional amendments and it not news here?

Here is why Hot Air is not mentioning it – it is part of this group…

Mark Levin: The Dug In Entrenched Losers Who May Cost Conservatives The House

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 1:26 PM

uuuuhhhhmmmm…

Tuesday, the Department of Justice moved to block the merger of American Airlines and US Airways deal, saying it would cost consumers hundreds of millions of dollars a year in higher fares and extra fees.

What about ACA?

socalcon on August 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Speaking of dummies

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Like he’s ever read the Constitution.

2lbsTest on August 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

The idiots will say anything to secure more free crap and subsidies from the government.

rplat on August 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Do black constituencies make a special point of electing stunningly stupid candidates?

pat on August 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Yes, ref. the last 2 presidential elections.

KS Rex on August 14, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Do black constituencies make a special point of electing stunningly stupid candidates?

pat on August 14, 2013 at 12:54 PM

93% of them voted for Obama enthusiastically…twice. Draw your own conclusions about them.

crrr6 on August 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Dem Congressman…………you lost me right there.

PappyD61 on August 14, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Why would a so-called conservative blog not have one thread mentioning Mark Levin’s Liberty Amendments book?

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Might that be because we don’t do book promo posts, unless it’s on a show post where the author is discussing it with me? There isn’t a post about Glenn Beck’s new book, either, nor anyone else’s. But thanks for the off-topic paranoid troll drive-by, just the same.

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM

But thanks for the off-topic paranoid troll drive-by, just the same.

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM

OH MY!!

THIS is Rock’m-Sock’m Robots baby!!

ToddPA on August 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM

It was the Articles of Confederation that had problems. Rep. Meeks is retconning history.

ErnstBlofeld on August 14, 2013 at 1:16 PM

No, Meeks is right. They passed the Constitution but pretty much knew that they needed to do more to enumerate our civil rights, thus the first amendments and the birth of the Bill of Rights.

But unlike Obamacare, nobody told those early Americans that they had to pass the Constitution to see what was in it.

Happy Nomad on August 14, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Might that be because we don’t do book promo posts, unless it’s on a show post where the author is discussing it with me? There isn’t a post about Glenn Beck’s new book, either, nor anyone else’s. But thanks for the off-topic paranoid troll drive-by, just the same.

Oh no you don’t – there is a mountain of evidence supporting Hot Air’s RINO-ISM.

Piece after piece poo-pooing the the Teaparty, and the freshman conservative senators…

I have made a list of those threads that call BS on your paranoid…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Can’t disagree with a leftist black man, racist doncha know.

jukin3 on August 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Neither Social Security or Medicare are constitutional. They differ little from Obamacare in their coercive and confiscatory nature.

Charlemagne on August 14, 2013 at 2:09 PM

“Had”?

Wouldn’t that be past tense?

Huh.

Akzed on August 14, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Not to knock Meeks, since this is the Democrats understanding of everything, but if you pass a bad law, the only way to fix it is to amend the law. With Obama working around the law, the law’s not fixed. I don’t fault Meeks, Obama, or any other Democrat, they all believe the constitution reads the way it would if they’d written it, evolution and all, don’t you know. So, it’s really up to the MSM and the Republicans to educate them and both refuse so it is what it is.

bflat879 on August 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Oh, he must mean that it doesn’t have any problems now… so then why not govern with it – and it alone.

Akzed on August 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Wow Ed!

Bam!

Pow!

Oof!

Akzed on August 14, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I saw D-NY, and that was enough

burserker on August 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Dem Congressman on ObamaCare: Hey, the Constitution had its problems, too

This guy must be drinking the same water as Rubio!

MaiDee on August 14, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Gregory Meeks (D-NY) – AKA “Kick me, I’m stupid”.

GarandFan on August 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM

So did the Titanic, the Hindenburg and Ishtar.

Chuck Schick on August 14, 2013 at 2:32 PM

“Well, you know, when Social Security first came out, people didn’t understand that completely. When MediCare came out, people didn’t understand that completely. But over time we developed, we got it right.”

Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), during MSNBC interview

.
We got them “right” ?
.
At least his comparing of Obamacare to Social Security and Medicare is “right.”

listens2glenn on August 14, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Don’t do book promo posts

But somehow Hot Air found the time to mention Mitt Romney’s book three times. Crickets on Levin…

Report: Romney boosted book sales by asking institutions to buy copies in lieu of speech fees

Romney in 2002: “My views are progressive”

Obama, WH come out swinging after Romney ad promises to … make China play by the rules; Update: Romney campaign responds

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:35 PM

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Er, yes … because those were news items relevant to a presidential candidate and his previous statements. When you come to the post titled “Oooh, Romney Wrote a Book,” let us all know.

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Don’t do book promo posts

But somehow Hot Air found the time to mention Mitt Romney’s book three times. Crickets on Levin…

Report: Romney boosted book sales by asking institutions to buy copies in lieu of speech fees

Romney in 2002: “My views are progressive”

Obama, WH come out swinging after Romney ad promises to … make China play by the rules; Update: Romney campaign responds

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:35 PM

How is a sentence documenting how Romney boosted book sales evidence of a Hot Air “promo” of same?

(Sundial starts)

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM

How is a sentence documenting how Romney boosted book sales evidence of a Hot Air “promo” of same?

(Sundial starts)

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Shhh … he’s making lists.

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Look, he was on Fox News all day yesterday hammering the sellouts in Congress and the senate. The entire conservative blogosphere is buzzing about it. And what you have up?

Ted Cruz might not be eligible for the presidency

All this blog does anymore is make snide back handed snarks at Teaparty conservatives, and present the RINO perspective as just a little more insightful than that your average far right kook.

Day in and day out, this is what you do.

Iowa’s got a fee-vah and the only prescription is … Ted Cruz?

That is why Hot Air has half the readers it did two years ago..

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM

In case you have forgotten – here is what a conservative blog looks like…

http://therightscoop.com/

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:57 PM

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM

So why are you here, if you don’t like it? You obviously haven’t been around much if you think we write about routine book publishing, or don’t realize that you can send us a tip on stories you want to see covered by sending us e-mails on the tips@hotair.com account. You seem to be among the trolls that want to use unrelated comment threads to brag about yourself while griping about the platform we provide for on-topic discussion. Write about Levin’s book on your site, and feel good about yourself in that way rather than hijack threads here.

Have fun storming the castle!

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM

(Sundial starts)

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Shhh … he’s making lists.

Ed Morrissey on August 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM

But not checking them twice, apparently.

Del Dolemonte on August 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I am here to make you realize that what you are doing is hurting the conservative movement.

The midterms are all about getting the base fired up, and what you do hit them with a fire hose.

I want you to use this blog help take back this country, not to aid Boo-Hoo John Boehner and the rest of the sellouts that you so affectionately call moderates bend over backwards for Obama.

Plus, I hate to see a blog that I have loved for years die because it is trying to target the microscopic mushy middle.

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Dem Congressman on ObamaCare: Hey, the Constitution had its problems, too

Yes, it is indeed hard to dovetail the Constitution with Marxism and criminality.

For some odd reason, I think it was meant to be that way.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And I am not bragging on myself - I don’t run The Right Scoop, and my blog is not even linked on it.

I don’t know the guy.

I just picked a good strong conservative blog out of my bookmarks to give to you as an example of what Hot Air could be – and once was.

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM

ED

I have made my point.

I do respect your willingness to listen..

Thank You

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 3:19 PM

What about ACA?

socalcon on August 14, 2013 at 1:27 PM

“Shut! Up! You!” he explained.

Solaratov on August 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

All this blog does anymore is make snide back handed snarks at Teaparty conservatives, and present the RINO perspective

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:52 PM

YES, by god!!! And I want a refund$$$!!

jaime on August 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I have made a list of those threads that call BS on your paranoid…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Now, that’s paranoid.

Solaratov on August 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM

YES, by god!!! And I want a refund$$$!!

jaime on August 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

If jaime gets a refund, I want one, too.

Because…fairness.

Solaratov on August 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM

The fact of the matter is, when the Constitution came out, people didn’t understand that. And there were problems in the Constitution. We didn’t say get rid of the Constitution, we fixed it.

Democrats not only”fixed” the constitution they have completely wrecked it.

Herb on August 14, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Now, that’s paranoid.

I have been researching blogs that under the quise of conservatism are promoting lukewarm liberal ideas. If I am going to call them out for it, don’t you think it is a good idea that I have facts to back me up?

I can’t going around making the argument that blogs have gone rino without a “list” of posting they have made that prove my point.

That’s not paranoid, it is knowing what the hell you are talking about before you open your mouth…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM

When you get done with the Ad Hominem, prove me wrong when I say that Hot Air has been ridiculing the Teaparty folks and pushing the Karl Rove talking points…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 4:05 PM

cbc,

please post that list.

I’ve never once seen anything on HA that is not conservative. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

The only liberal trash is the “elite” such as libtardordie, bayass and some other unemployeds that sold their kids future for 30 pieces of obamamoney.

acyl72 on August 14, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I am not going to drag all of that out right now. Besides you don’t have to look any further than the HR posting.

Reminder from Mitch McConnell to tea partiers: A government shutdown over ObamaCare isn’t happening

by Allahpundit

Here they paint Mitch McConnell as a normally far right guy who has finally started using reason on the defunding issue.

And that Ted Cruz has resorted to “begging grassroots righties” to support his lost cause.

The he almost verbatim repeats the Karl Rove talking points.

Interesting, but I’d rather see a poll of states where the GOP is aiming to pick up Senate seats. Holding the House is easy — although maybe not as easy as once thought. Retaking the Senate is where the action is. Is a shutdown over ObamaCare a net winner in 2014 battlegrounds like Maine, Michigan, and Iowa?

Listen to Levin rip this dipshittery apart.

As for Mitch McConnell, he is a sellout RINO and he has been for forever – definitely not the teaparty Ted Cruz type that has had a moment of clarity.

He is a John Boehner seat sniffer and a sellout.

“Greasing the skids” – Mark Levin says Mitch McConnell working to ensure immigration bill PASSES the Senate

Mark Levin: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are “in favor of Obamacare”


MUST LISTEN: Mark Levin exposes corporatist Mitch McConnell and how he’s pulling the strings of immigration reform

Someone undecided and less informed would be swayed by Allahpundit’s thread into thinking that defunding Obamacare is a stupid idea, and that it may even cost Senate and House seats.

These are all Karl Rove ideas; this is pandering to the mushy middle; this is what Hot Air does.

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Look at the very first comment – people are just fed up with Hot Air…

This is frustrating. Nobody in the GOP is talking about shutting down government. They are talking about funding all of government EXCEPT Obamacare. If soldiers don’t get paychecks as a result of that, it’s on Obama.

Now I know the media won’t spin it that way, of course. But McConnell could at least be honest about what the plan is.

Missy on August 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Again this is the reason why Hot Air is half the size it was just two years ago…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Read though the comments on that thread – the people are screaming for a little conservatism here…

conservativeBC on August 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Meeks is an idiot.

dogsoldier on August 14, 2013 at 7:18 PM

The Constitution was a bi-partisan agreement that all parties had an interest in ensuring its success.

Obamacare … not so much.

Carnac on August 15, 2013 at 11:35 AM