Israelis announce expansion of settlements ahead of talks

posted at 12:31 pm on August 11, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

So how are those Israeli-Palestinian talks proceeding?  This well:

Israel said on Sunday it was marketingnearly 1,200 new homes for Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank, just two days before a planned release of long-serving Palestinian prisoners. …

Israeli media, in unconfirmed reports, have suggested Sunday’s housing plans were disclosed to Washington in advance and had been aimed partly at overcoming opposition within the pro-settlement cabinet to the prisoner releases.

Israelis have been angered by the large prisoner releases in deals cut with the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.  The trade for captured IDF soldier Gilad Shalit prompted widespread outrage, with its thousand-to-one ratio. My friend Richard Wittman, director of Strategic Development for the Knesset Forum, wrote a lengthy op-ed in the Jerusalem Post demanding an end to these “goodwill measures,” as it produces good will in one direction only.  Over 180 Israelis have been murdered by prisoners released in these deals, and it has become a real political problem for the Netanyahu government, while until now the trades have been relatively low-cost for the Palestinians.

Perhaps this is a way for Netanyahu to change the calculus a bit.  If each of these lopsided trades end up expanding settlements by a larger number than the prisoners released, then perhaps the PA will reconsider its demands, although it won’t have any impact at all on Hamas.  If that’s the strategy,  the Palestinian Authority isn’t walking away from the talks over it — at least so far:

While condemning settlement expansion, Palestinians have stopped short of threatening outright to abandon the peace negotiations, which are due to go into a second round on Wednesday in Jerusalem after a session in Washington.

“The international community must stand with this peace process and must stand shoulder to shoulder with us and hold Israel accountable for its continuing settlement activities,” Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat told Reuters.

“Continuing settlement activity means dictations not negotiations,” he said.

It also serves as a bit of a rebuke to the White House and John Kerry.  Earlier this summer, Reuters reported that Israel had agreed to pre-1967 borders as a condition for the talks, a rumor that clearly didn’t come from the Israelis and had people accusing Netanyahu of giving away the store.  Netanyahu has every reason to act aggressively to push back against these clumsy attempts to push negotiations forward, and that may be effective even if not one of these apartments ever gets past the drawing board.


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The ole finger in the eye and to add insult to injury it’s the middle finger

jaywemm on August 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Way to win any argument and negotiation.

There will NEVER be peace in the ME.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Barry is like Rodney Dangerfield nowadays.

abobo on August 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The US should withdraw from Iwreck and Afcr@pistan and send the funds earmarked for Israel to expand the settlements and line the borders with naked corpses of terrorists with Korans staked through their hearts.

MelonCollie on August 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM

And that’ll teach Obama to leak about Israeli strikes on Russian missiles in Syria.

Wethal on August 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Anyone who believes the two sides want peace is a fool.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Fully occupy the West Bank and firebomb Gaza. Bulldoze any remaining rubble in Gaza into the sea for landfill to build a new airport. Reoccuppy Gaza.

I suppose it’s the soft-hearted side of me, but I’d give the Palestinian vermin about 3 hours advance notice.

M240H on August 11, 2013 at 12:50 PM

And that’ll teach Obama to leak about Israeli strikes on Russian missiles in Syria.

Wethal on August 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM

He leaked the fact that Israel was negotiating with Azerbaijan to use that country as a base to launch air strikes against Iran from the Caspian Sea.

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Anyone who believes the two sides want peace is a fool.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM

One side does. Sheesh.

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Chicago refused the Olympics.
Arabs refuse to ‘Spring’.
Ruskies refuse to reset.
Peace talks appear to derail.

Who’d a figured since the WH occupant had no executive or foreign policy experience. And his first decision was Plugs as VP, to strengthen the latter weak point.

socalcon on August 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM

One side does. Sheesh.

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Nah, no one does, sheesh, or not.

Some things will never get resolved:

1. See N. Ireland, 69 dead yesterday.

2. See the ME.

See what they do, not what they say.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

oh please, both the Israelis and Palestinians are putting on a show to make team Obama and Kerry happy.

rob verdi on August 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM

1. See N. Ireland, 69 dead yesterday.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Did you mean injured?

DarkCurrent on August 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

These guys (our guys) are brilliant./

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2013 at 1:16 PM

What is this “West Bank” place of which people speak? I think they mean Judea and Samaria.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Fundamental Transformation of the United States of America by Barack Obama, page 1:

“Israel is an enemy, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority are friends”.

Sacramento on August 11, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Not one house or apartment will be built.

Shy Guy on August 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM

See what they do, not what they say.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Both sides are full shite. They are all driven by hatred as much as history.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Not one house or apartment will be built.

Shy Guy on August 11, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Really Shy Guy? I know that you’ve said in the past that you are based in, Jerusalem, do I have that right? I’m genuinely curious as to why you think that.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Nothing appears more surprising to those who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the ease with which the many are governed by the few.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

It also serves as a bit of a rebuke to the White House and John Kerry

…well…it looks like John Kerry was dressed impeccably for the occasion!

KOOLAID2 on August 11, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Really Shy Guy? I know that you’ve said in the past that you are based in, Jerusalem, do I have that right? I’m genuinely curious as to why you think that.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Shocking: Zero East Jerusalem Housing Starts in 2013, Only 43 in 2012

I wish I could find the rest of Netanyahu’s zilch statistics. Still looking for the link. Regards from Israel. Around 8:50PM now.

Both sides are full shite. They are all driven by hatred as much as history.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM

And what are you driven by, Mister Pot?

Shy Guy on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Both sides are full shite. They are all driven by hatred as much as history.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM

That is absolute rubbish. Muslims hate because the Koran tells them to hate. Jews are, if anything, overly tolerant and loving people. If you seriously can’t see the difference between the two, you’re hopeless.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM

I agree BOTH sides have inspired and supported TEA Party extremism here in the US….

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM

If you seriously can’t see the difference between the two, you’re hopeless.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

You may be new here, in the case of the Low-IQ Porker, it’s pretty much “Hopeless.”

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM

1. See N. Ireland, 69 dead yesterday.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Not in Northern Ireland. 56 police and 2 civilians were injured.

You’re thinking of Iraq

tartan on August 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Hawg’s problem is going to be, who’s the racist? I mean there are a LOT of brown skins on EITHER side, so who is going to be the minority and who the majority?

Personally, I bet Hawg plumps for the “Jooos” being more “European” and therefore more “hatable”….on the Progressive Great Chian of Hate(Being).

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Not in Northern Ireland. 56 police and 2 civilians were injured.

You’re thinking of Iraq

tartan on August 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Ok beyond the country and the casualty count it works pretty well, I’d give him/her a Solid B+

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM

And what are you driven by, Mister Pot?

Shy Guy on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

His name is Jackson. He’s a portly, red-haired, quiet, man who usually carries two Glocks on his person during business hours.

That is absolute rubbish. Muslims hate because the Koran tells them to hate. Jews are, if anything, overly tolerant and loving people. If you seriously can’t see the difference between the two, you’re hopeless.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

You’re only as good as your sources. Prayers aren’t the best source for news.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Did you mean injured?

DarkCurrent on August 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Yes, you’re right, initially reported dead. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

You’re thinking of Iraq

tartan on August 11, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Thank you. Sorry for the mistake.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Hawg’s problem is going to be, who’s the racist? I mean there are a LOT of brown skins on EITHER side, so who is going to be the minority and who the majority?

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Oh come now. Israel the postage-stamp nation versus the entire Arab continent, of course they’re the minority. Even a pig could figure that one out.

MelonCollie on August 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Shy Guy on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Hmmm. Interesting link Shy Guy. Thanks. If true, I could see how that could be considered frustrating.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

You’re only as good as your sources.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

And since you have none and never have…

MelonCollie on August 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

And I realize that Israel has Gay Pride Week and the Palestinians have Stone the F@ggot Day, but I still believe Hawg will go for the Palestinians as the “Oppressed Other” in this story.

If s/he’s good s/he will make it the fault of the Israelis that the Palestinians are so radical…and then one step further it will be the fault of Republican Right Wing Deathbeasts for supporting the Intransigent Israelis…and everyone knows Right Wing Death Beasts are racist, TEA Party Extremists, so ipso facto, the Middle East is the fault of Republican Extremists!

JFKY on August 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Seems to happen here too: Astronauts debate provenance of turd floating in Apollo 10

slickwillie2001 on August 11, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Correction sow. Your full of shit and driven by hate. Lol!

Bmore on August 11, 2013 at 2:03 PM

That is absolute rubbish. Muslims hate because the Koran tells them to hate. Jews are, if anything, overly tolerant and loving people. If you seriously can’t see the difference between the two, you’re hopeless.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM

You’re only as good as your sources. Prayers aren’t the best source for news.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I’m genuinely confused as to what you could possibly mean by this. Do you mean that you dislike “both sides” because they are religious? And you have an issue with religion across the board?

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 2:04 PM

CH can be about as brutal as one can get on HA but many of you are about as objective as Fidel Castro on Capitalism.

The Palestinean ‘leaders’ are idiots, tyrants and don’t want peace because they have the Utopian notion that Israel doesn’t belong there. They can dream on.

What good are the settlements? Why would any sane Jewish family want to live in them?

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM

What good are the settlements? Why would any sane Jewish family want to live in them?

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Well, there are legitimate practical national security concerns for one thing. For another thing, historically, that land is part of Israel. It was taken from the Jews by force. There is also a religious attachment to the land. (One could debate whether this is a sound basis for a geopolitical stance, but it may help address to some degree your question “Why would any sane Jewish family want to live in them?”)

And finally, speaking for myself. ANY territory in the world that has fewer Muslims in it, and more Westerners, is moving in the right direction.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 2:15 PM

To be perhaps a bit clearer, I view the settlement movement as an incremental approach to full Israel annexation of Judea and Samaria. I’d prefer that they do it faster, but it’s better than withdrawing.

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Matter of fact, Capitalist Hog, the more research I do on you the less I like you. I certainly won’t trust your judgement on anything. You may well be a troll for all I know. Go back and read some of your stuff and let me know what you think.

Bmore on May 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM

I’ll stick with my initial appraisal of he/she/it. I will add he/she/it is a race baiter and bigot. Not a Conservative and therefore also a liar.

Bmore on August 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Just a bitter old crank that likes to play the race card.

Bmore on August 11, 2013 at 2:27 PM

There will never be peace between Israel and the Palestinians because neither side wants peace. Israel wants piece, not peace, i.e. more and more “pieces” of formerly Palestinian land. The Palestinians blew their chance for peace and a state in 2000 when they rejected the extremely favorable agreement that Bill Clinton brokered. That was their last chance and they are now hosed.

America should cut off aid to both sides and exit the entire region except as a diminishing customer for oil. Not our business, not our problem, and it should not involve our money.

Rogervzv on August 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM

WhatSlushfund on August 11, 2013 at 2:18 PM

The world should just admit that there will never be peace over there.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Both sides are full shite. They are all driven by hatred as much as history.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM

…you’re knowledge of history sucks…so just blow us!

KOOLAID2 on August 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Bmore on August 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM

There is definitely something wrong with someone whose only explanation as to why people disagree with them is hate. If I wanted to hear that excuse I’d listen to Obama.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The goal is not peace. The goal is for people to be able to live their lives with liberty and human rights in peace. The arab leaders are against liberty, against human rights, against the Jews, and thereby against peace. The arab leaders want an arab apartheid state where Jews are not allowed to live….Bibi is anything but a strident advocate for Israel…if he was he would declare;

1. Jews live in Israel including ALL of Jerusalem, Judea, Samara, and Gaza and that any arab governing entity having any jurisdiction is required to give full human civil rights the Jews living there

2. Jerusalem is the eternal capitol of Israel and will NEVER be divided.

3. that any agreement with the arabs of Fatah and the PLO/PA must get the signature and agreement from Saudi and Egypt and Jordan and Syria (whatever is left of that) and Lebanon and the Arab League

georgealbert on August 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

2. Jerusalem is the eternal capitol capital of Israel and will NEVER be divided.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

See what they do, not what they say.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Israel has always – ALWAYS – acted defensively. It alone always concedes land, prisoners, you name it. And what do they get in return? More dead Israelis and a world that blames them for causing the violence.

Just like you do. What a coincidence, no?

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

And since you have none and never have…

MelonCollie on August 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Your remarks are poorly sourced.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Just like you do. What a coincidence, no?

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Indeed, just like me…you won’t have a better friend, ever, if you’re Israel. Good friends tell you the truth, even if it hurts.

It’s inconceivable for some of you to multi-thread with one God-given brain, from the left to the right. It’s one of the saddest things in life.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM

What a coincidence, no?

Rixon on August 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

You ass ume much.

Schadenfreude on August 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Your remarks are poorly sourced.

Capitalist Hog on August 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Mine aren’t.

Bmore on August 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

First a poke in the eye by putin now Bibi…..how is the foreign policy workin out horseface and long ears…….

crosshugger on August 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I would never condone abandoning Israel. And if the Middle East wants more land for “Palestine” let them give up some of their own.

Cindy Munford on August 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Troll makes me go Zzzzz.

CW on August 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

There about 5 million or so Jews in Israel. They are surrounded in the middle east by about 200,000,000 Muslims.(Many of whom are sworn to Israel’s destruction). Israel’s land mass is smaller than New Hampshire while the Middle East is comparable to 90% of the land in continental United States. I think I’ll stand with Israel….

CW on August 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Since Islam, essentially and ultimately, is a Death Cult (you try to leave,mthey try to kill you) I support Israel in its opposition to being overwhelmed and destroyed by this intolerant, imperialistic, terroristic pseudo-Abrahamic “faith” called “Submission“.

Israel’s mistake was not expelling all Muslims after the 1967 War since they are a permanent malignant Fifth Column.

This error will haunt them until its demographically extinguishes Israel.

profitsbeard on August 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

For Obama, the media, and the Palestinians to continue to refer to Israeli construction as “expanding their settlements” is absurd. Israelis are simply building homes and businesses on Israeli land. To criticize Israelis for building homes in Israel is tantamount to criticizing Texans for “expanding their settlements in San Antonio.” That the land used to be part of Mexico is irrelevant.

Colony14 on August 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM