Reid: Hey, ObamaCare is only the first step toward killing the health-insurance industry

posted at 2:31 pm on August 10, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Finally, Harry Reid and Tom Coburn agree — ObamaCare is designed to fail. John McCormack at The Weekly Standard notes the convergence after Reid’s appearance last night on PBS Las Vegas’ Nevada Week in Review, where Reid counseled patience for the panel fretting over the inept rollout of the Affordable Care Act.  Just keep in mind that no one thinks ObamaCare will actually solve the nation’s problems, or even last for a significant period of time:

In just about seven weeks, people will be able to start buying Obamacare-approved insurance plans through the new health care exchanges.

But already, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is predicting those plans, and the whole system of distributing them, will eventually be moot.

Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”

“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

First, though, you have to kill the insurance industry, which is what the public option was intended to do.  The problem now for Reid and his cohorts is that insurance companies will get a little richer, at least in the short run.  The mandate forces everyone into the system, and more importantly, onto comprehensive policies that would make little sense otherwise for younger, healthier adults.

Even with the community-pricing “reforms” in the ACA, this becomes a treasure trove for the insurance companies, and a massive wealth transfer from younger and poorer Americans to older, wealthier Americans in two ways. First, the pricing limits on policies mean that those older Americans who access the system more will have their premiums subsidized by those who use it less.  Second, the investor class with stakes in insurance companies will benefit from the largesse, at least to some extent, that derives from the ACA’s picking of younger pockets.

That will last only as long as the fleeced don’t notice their predicament.  When prices skyrocket, services get restricted or delayed, and the federal red ink starts to flow in earnest, that’s when Phase II will have to begin, according to Coburn:

“More than two years after the passage of Obamacare, the data overwhelming show the law will fail to achieve its core objectives of lowering costs and improving access,” Coburn wrote in 2012. “That, ironically, may have been the design. By making private insurance unaffordable for everyone, it will become available to no one. All that will be left is government-centered, government-run, single-payer health care.”

As McCormack notes, this strategy isn’t exactly a secret anyway:

As liberal Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein said in 2008, organizations on the left pushing for health care reform were pursuing a “sneaky strategy” to “put in place something that over time the natural incentives … move it to single payer.”

So the big question on the left and right isn’t really whether or not Obamacare will eventually fail, but what comes after it fails.

What should come after its failure is a reliance on free-market forces, including the end of comprehensive insurance in most cases, replaced by hospitalization coverage and health-savings accounts (HSAs) for Americans to pay retail costs for routine care.  That will force price transparency, which then allows for normal pricing signals to reach the consumer rather than be blocked by third-party payers.  Providers will then compete on price and performance as they should — and as they do in the cosmetic surgery and Lasik markets now. Perhaps this experiment in big-government intervention and market distortion will make an even better argument for that path rather than a government takeover that follows government incompetence and rationing.  We can certainly hope so, anyway.


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This is why it must be killed by any means necessary every means possible before it can fail-deadly.

Delay.
Defund.
Repeal.

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

That was the goal all along is to make this a single payer type country. The liberal dream is to have health care like some places in Europe. We will then see shortages of health care, poor health care, including rationing and less medical advancements.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

But didn’t the Dems tell us Obamacare would never lead to tax-payer funded universal health care?

What is Reid — a racist Republican plant, a double-agent trying to make Obama look bad?

Liam on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

In a rational world, Reid wouldn’t be elected dog-catcher.

What’s that you say?

Oh, yeah, you’re right, this is not a rational world.

Mdirmeie on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

The R/Ds don’t want obama’care’ to work. It was from the start a ploy, to fail, so they can take over a big chunk of your lives, slaves.

Such fools of the land deserve their masters. YOU were once free. YOU are no longer. May they destroy you and yours, in full. YOU deserve NO less.

Reid is just honest, for once.

Schadenfreude on August 10, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Reid’s appearance last night on PBS Las Vegas’ Nevada Week in Review, where Reid counseled patience for the panel fretting over the inept rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

Harry has had quite a weekend. He also went on some Nevada radio show and declared that anybody who dissents from the rat-eared coward only does so because he is black and they hate it that there is a black man in the White House.

Yeah Harry, that is right, we are all racists because we don’t like Obamacare, appeasement, corruption, and an individual who is a failure as President, father, and human being.

Happy Nomad on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Steve I hate to disagree with you but there is NO WAY that this bill goes away… at least not totally. Once you start getting people on that depend on it, its game over.

Do you think the current bunch of republicans have enough steel in the mid section to fight for what you listed? I have very little faith.

The only way it would happen is if there is a collapse. If that happens, health care will be not on the list of normal peoples on what to worry about.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

The Ruling Class is making a mockery of America and its people.

d1carter on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

This is what we’ve been saying the entire time.

WisCon on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Throw them all out in 2014.

Amnesty and obama’care’ will kill the land off.

If amnesty passes Pelosi will be the speaker. obama lives for the day the House/senate are Ds.

It’s still in your hands to forbid, both. The Rs are not with you.

It’s you against the exploiting R/D class in DC. It’s that simple.

Meanwhile watch – the leftists will all be in the same union, soon.

Schadenfreude on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

In other news, scientists have determined that water is wet and that guys like to drink beer while looking at pretty girls. (though the latter needs further study.)

rbj on August 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Is bankruptcy America’s only alternative..?

d1carter on August 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Say! Let’s put 15 million Americans out of work and nationalize medical practice! I bet that works just great. And it is free!

pat on August 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM


In a rational world, Reid wouldn’t be elected dog-catcher.

Yes, and in a rational world the GOP would have nominated someone other than Willard Romney in 2012, the author of RomneyCare, the botch of policy upon which ObamaCare is based.

casuist on August 10, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I for one am looking forward to Single-payer. I want a health insurance that has all the
- efficiency of the Pentagon
- responsiveness of FEMA
- fairness, compassion, understanding and even-handedness of the IRS

/Sarc (although liberals wouldn’t get the joke)

kurtzz3 on August 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Keep this up front – it matters a lot.

Yes, yes, I know it’s off topic, but really it isn’t.

Schadenfreude on August 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

…why do Harry’s pictures always look like JugEars just got done…giving him an oral job?

KOOLAID2 on August 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Why the honesty from Reid? Is he just a full stop idiot, or is he just trying to gloat and rub it in about the damage they did to us, to the country? Reid is a confrontational sort. And any sort of major legislation like ocare needed bi-partisan support so the country isn’t at each others’ throats possibly for decades. Obamacare was a colossal blunder, and could tear this country further apart, as they try to progress it into a single payer system where the rich and the poor illegal aliens get exactly the same (horrible) medical service, and we try to scuttle the growing monster. The Democrats have screwed us all over for years with obamoacare.

anotherJoe on August 10, 2013 at 2:51 PM

This is what happens when you remove the consequences from choices that people make.

txmomof6 on August 10, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Sarc (although liberals wouldn’t get the joke)

kurtzz3 on August 10, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Well then, liberals must love going to the DMV.

Seriously, when I was living in MI, it was damned near impossible not to make an annual trek to the land of unionized bullies. First you had to stand in one line where some gatekeeper/thug would tell you what other line you needed to stand in. Customer service was reduced to a series of grunts. And you were all but called a bad person if you were unwilling to sign up for the organ donor program.

Happy Nomad on August 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

He’s baiting the House to shut down the government. This is the only hope Dems have of hanging onto the Senate.

EddieC on August 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

do what yo can do to stop it. don’t just lay back and revel in the rape. fight and leave the dna of obamacare underneath your fingernails. only way to save yourself.

gracie on August 10, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Steve I hate to disagree with you but there is NO WAY that this bill goes away… at least not totally. Once you start getting people on that depend on it, its game over.

Do you think the current bunch of republicans have enough steel in the mid section to fight for what you listed? I have very little faith.

The only way it would happen is if there is a collapse. If that happens, health care will be not on the list of normal peoples on what to worry about.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM

That’s why we have to stop the subsidy checks from being cut. Once those get cut at the beginning of Janaury 2014, it is all over.

Unfortunately, there is no metallic substance, much less steel, in the Partido Republicano Legado gut.

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I may have to retire to another country just so I don’t explode.

tim c on August 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

On Obamacare…

So some similarities, some differences, and I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, repeal the bad and keep the good. Mitt Romney

This was the choice offered last time around. The Republicans are part of the problem.

Krauthammer: Obama’s desperate for a government shutdown to save ObamaCare

Reid knows it is designed to fail and Krauthammer thinks they want to save Obamacare.

sharrukin on August 10, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Americans to pay retail costs for routine care

And it will be called “the Black Market.”

PatriotGal2257 on August 10, 2013 at 3:00 PM

this is the classic ‘You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs’…like barry says, transitions are hard.

so yeah, this was designed to fail…but more importantly designed to have the peasants beg for single payer in the end.

r keller on August 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Providers will then compete on price and performance as they should — and as they do in the cosmetic surgery and Lasik markets now. Perhaps this experiment in big-government intervention and market distortion will make an even better argument for that path rather than a government takeover that follows government incompetence and rationing. We can certainly hope so, anyway.

That can’t work without tort reform. I work in the healthcare industry and one of the largest expenses a provider has is malpractice insurance. Provider pricing has to include all overhead, which includes not only staff salaries/benefits but insurance, etc.

Docs are already retiring. Single practice MDs will no longer be around. They won’t be able to afford it. Healthcare in the USA is third world now, the people just don’t realize it.

Yet.

ladyingray on August 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM

What better way to deal with undesirables than to have government make all a person’s healthcare decisions? Not only denying care, but also forcing it, like dissidents in the Soviet Union being forced into psychiatric hospitals because they opposed the Communist Party.

Liam on August 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Not gonna get there dinhy.

jake49 on August 10, 2013 at 3:05 PM

We repealed prohibition we can repeal this Obamanation.

Government has no right to get between me and my doctor!

Skywise on August 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Harry Reid is a multimillionaire, but never made any money legitimately beyond his congressional salary in his worthless life. Here’s his basic scam: his cronies make him a “partner” in some venture for a nominal “investment,” he then gets a share of their profit on some transaction made possible or lucrative through his actions in DC or influence in Carson City. One such scam that made him rich was such a deal on worthless desert property – which became worth millions when it was designated the site of an interchange on a new interstate highway mandated from Washington by – guess who?

His son became a top lawyer for a major union with no experience, the union then received many benefits from DC mandated by – guess who?

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Harry Reid is one of the most corrupt politicians of the modern era. He should die in prison for his crimes. That he is the leader of the Democratic Party in Congress illustrates exactly what sort of organization it is.

Adjoran on August 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM

That’s why we have to stop the subsidy checks from being cut. Once those get cut at the beginning of Janaury 2014, it is all over.

Unfortunately, there is no metallic substance, much less steel, in the Partido Republicano Legado gut.

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM

exactamundo. it’s why we gotta make noise. and support cruz and lee and the heritage foundation and anyone or anything else willing to stand up and say HELL NO and keep saying it.

gracie on August 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Perhaps this experiment in big-government intervention and market distortion will make an even better argument for that path rather than a government takeover that follows government incompetence and rationing. We can certainly hope so, anyway.

In your wildest dreams.

chemman on August 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Hillary will bring you the national single payer healthscare.

Schadenfreude on August 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM

What should come after its failure is a reliance on free-market forces, including the end of comprehensive insurance in most cases, replaced by hospitalization coverage and health-savings accounts (HSAs) for Americans to pay retail costs for routine care. That will force price transparency, which then allows for normal pricing signals to reach the consumer rather than be blocked by third-party payers. Providers will then compete on price and performance as they should — and as they do in the cosmetic surgery and Lasik markets now. Perhaps this experiment in big-government intervention and market distortion will make an even better argument for that path rather than a government takeover that follows government incompetence and rationing. We can certainly hope so, anyway.

This is now a pipe dream. We are now in age where all “fixes” to any problem require more and more government “solutions”. Public-school education dumbing-down has helped see to that. Single-payer is the next step on the evolutionary scale.

Bitter Clinger on August 10, 2013 at 3:21 PM

That will force price transparency, which then allows for normal pricing signals to reach the consumer rather than be blocked by third-party payers.

This is the way it used to be in the good ole days when I was growing up. My parents only had hospital coverage, for doctor visits and yes, house calls they wrote a check. I recently had a health scare and had to have some tests done. I have no insurance so I was self pay. The difference in the prices for insured and self pay is Unbelievable. Cat scan was $450 self pay, insured it would have been over $1000. Pet scan was $1500 self pay, insured it would have been $6000. There is something very wrong with this.

BeachBum on August 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

That was the goal all along is to make this a single payer type country. The liberal dream is to have health care like some places in Europe the power of life and death over everyone.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Hillary will bring you the national single payer healthscare her dream of having Absolute Power Forever over everybody else.

Schadenfreude on August 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Fixed for accuracy.

It has never been about healthcare. It has always been about control. And there is no control more absolute than being able to decide who lives- and who dies.

There are progressives who experience remarkably “O”-like sensations when contemplating being able to kill anyone thy don’t like simply by doing nothing. Which a UK-style NHS accomplishes handily.

And then of course there’s the dream of breeding a perfect race. Not of Aryan supermen, but of docile, obedient, barely-literate serfs. As we saw with Margaret Sanger and the Eugenics Movement, that can be done if you are selective in who gets what sort of “health care”.

The great danger is not purely economic. it is that once the USNHS gets powerful enough, it will be entirely possible that some future “progressive” leader, who is a devotee of environmentalist propaganda among other things, will begin screaming in their mind


I HATE YOU ALL! YOU ALL MUST DIE! YEEAAARRRRNNNGGGGHHH!!!!

Howard Dean style.

And then use the USNHS to enact their dreams.

Never underestimate the potential for violence and destruction possessed by people who believe themselves to be perfect.

Never underestimate the potential for disaster that comes from giving them the power of life and death over everyone else.

clear ether

eon

eon on August 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM

BeachBum on August 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM
The difference between those prices is what goes to the middle men and they do not want to be cut out of the deal. Ultimately we are only quibbling over who gets to BE the middle men, the Government or private insurers and all the leaches that thrive off of the health care needs of an aging population. Crony Capitalists fighting Uncle Sam for their piece of the pie!!

txmomof6 on August 10, 2013 at 3:30 PM

BeachBum on August 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

I had a MRI done a month ago and got the bill before payment was made by insurance and it was almost 3K and that is not counting the doctors and all that other fun stuff.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Harry Reid wondered about Republicans opposing Obama because he’s black. Harry, I loathe you for your efforts to destroy the country just as I loathe Obama for the same reasons. In fact, I loathe you even more because you are a corrupt, dishonest man who has used you position to enrich yourself.

bw222 on August 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM

So, in other words…

It’s been obvious that they’re the Democrats are doing everything they can to make him it fail. And I hope, I hope — and I say this seriously — I hope that’s based on substance and not the fact that he’s African-American.

Chris of Rights on August 10, 2013 at 3:40 PM

The difference between those prices is what goes to the middle men and they do not want to be cut out of the deal. Ultimately we are only quibbling over who gets to BE the middle men, the Government or private insurers and all the leaches that thrive off of the health care needs of an aging population. Crony Capitalists fighting Uncle Sam for their piece of the pie!!

txmomof6 on August 10, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Indeed.

Bitter Clinger on August 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Throw them all out in 2014?

What good is that going to do?

By then you’ll have full amnesty, fully implemented Obamacare, an even more invasive version of The Patriot Act (that you dummies supported), and on and on

Your opportunity has passed you by

The GOP will betray you

True_King on August 10, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Once again, dingy-harry proves that no matter how atrociously BAD something is that the d-cRAT socialist extremists create, they will work tirelessly to make it even worse.

TeaPartyNation on August 10, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Hope them darn kids… don’t realize how they will be get’n screwed….. when they do maybe they will attack the Beast… by overloading and flooding it….. can ya imagine millions of kids gone’n to the doctors for hang nails…. underarm body ordor issues….. “a hair that was on my arm yesterday fell out, please run tests for radiation poison’n”…… you get the idea….. then gazillions of phone calls and in person visits to question every line on an invoice…. policy……etal….. think about it …. its Quite Easy to Run up medical charges…. and a pissed off segment that ya think is dirt cheap to cover, Could become a nightmare.

but don’t worry.. them kids is stoopid

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM

That was the goal all along is to make this a single payer type country. The liberal dream is to have health care like some places in Europe. We will then see shortages of health care, poor health care, including rationing and less medical advancements.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

And how deranged does someone have to be to actually *want* this, given 30 seconds of observation, a sane person would realize that it would be BAD for healthcare?

They are either mentally unbalanced, or it’s simply a power play – it’s not about quality service, it’s about controlling people and whether they get healthcare or not – and not leaving it in the hands of the individual any longer.

Midas on August 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Sorry Harry,
Your Communism can’t kill Free Market Capitalism.
Been there – tried that.
Maybe in you Detroit style Democrat Plantations it will work…..

FlaMurph on August 10, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Single Payer Is The Goal.

Bmore on August 10, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Reid is despicable. But watching all the rightwing crazies grouse about the destruction of our healthcare system is infuriating. What a bunch of dopes, politically naive in the extreme.

First of all, who were you geniuses going to nominate that had a better chance of winning in 2012? Michele anti-vaccine? Texas Rick can’t-remember? Big-baggage Newt space-station? Sanctimonious Rick anti-contraception? You guys are hysterical!

Romney is a problem-solver. Despite all the rightwing hyperventilation, there is not a scintilla of evidence that he philosophically believes in government-run healthcare. He had a problem in MA, and an overwhelmingly Dem legislature that wanted an even more extreme solution. He did the best he could under the circumstances.

You don’t think he believes in free markets? The guy who made a fortune as a capitalist “monster?”

You can incohently scream all you want about Romneycare and “Mitt would have made things worse,” but anyone with common sense, anyone not blinded by political ideology, knows that he would have looked to market forces to solve our healthcare problems.

You had your chance to turn back Obamacare. You had your chance to deny Obama a second term. Turns out you were more interested in making a point–we TruCons won’t be told what to do by the ELITES!–than defeating a corrupt and incompetent POTUS and his trainwreck of a healthcare program.

Meredith on August 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

This is why it must be killed by any means necessary every means possible before it can fail-deadly.

Delay.
Defund.
Repeal.

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

.
No other words needed …
… and can’t be repeated too often.

listens2glenn on August 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Meredith on August 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

.
Either “anti-vaccine” Michelle, or “anti-contraception” Rick would have done better.

But when Nov 6th 2012 came, I voted for Mitt, and I’m equally angry at self-avowed conservative voters who did NOT.

Your comment has more “hysteria” in it, than any of us you accuse.

listens2glenn on August 10, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Romney is a problem-solver. Despite all the rightwing hyperventilation, there is not a scintilla of evidence that he philosophically believes in government-run healthcare.

Meredith on August 10, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform,” Romney said in an interview broadcast Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I’m going to put in place. One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.” – Mitt Romney

I’m proud of the fact that in my state, after our plan was put in place, every child has insurance, 98 percent of adults have insurance. – Mitt Romney

ROMNEY: No, no, I like mandates. The mandates work.

Smith: Do you have any regrets now about signing Massachusetts’ version of health-care reform into law?

Romney: I am proud of what we accomplished. It was a step forward. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than what we had before.

On Ted Kennedy…

But to his credit he saw an opportunity to work in a bipartisan fashion to try an experiment that might become a model for other states. He quickly grasped the structure of our program, and following a few meetings, he agreed to support our approach. – Mitt Romney

So it was Ted Kennedy getting on board the Romney plan.

sharrukin on August 10, 2013 at 4:37 PM

The possible flaw in the design of Obamacare’s “design to fail” is who the collapse of the health insurance industry is blamed on.

If it is blamed on politicians who created and passed Obamacare, that would be bad for the lefties.

The socialists want to make sure the blame is placed on free enterprise and free markets. So this is where they will place the blame, repeating the appropriate slogans and talking point ad infinitum. Just as they say the collapse of Detroit is the fault of Republicans, greedy capitalists and corporations, and free enterprise, and get away with it.

And in our Orwellian nation — where the thug-in-training Trayvon Martin who violently attacked and assaulted Zimmerman is a saint and a martyr while George Zimmerman is the essence of the evil racist white (Hispanic) conceal carrying gun owner and… where the Tea Party is declared to be a racist, anarchist, Nazi-loving, Taliban-like, right-wing extremist terrorist group based on no evidence whatsoever — they will probably be successful.

Our Orwellian nation is a ship of fools piloted by arrogant sanctimonious utopian socialist social engineers who think they know how best to plan, control, regulate, and manage the entire economy of the nation and the lives of its citizens. But, of course, in the brave new multicultural politically correct Orwellian socialist nation they have planned for us, they will be the animals more equal than all others. They will find a way to exempt themselves from the rules and regulations the rest of us must follow, as fascist socialists always do.

farsighted on August 10, 2013 at 4:39 PM

In a rational world, Reid wouldn’t be elected dog-catcher.
What’s that you say?
Oh, yeah, you’re right, this is not a rational world.
Mdirmeie on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

In a rational world he’d have had his head handed to him a long time ago.

It galls me that a punk like him has so much power.

Cleombrotus on August 10, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Link fix… ship of fools

farsighted on August 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM

War is too important to be left to politicians, so it follows health care is too important to be left to the individual. /

Liam on August 10, 2013 at 4:49 PM

The problem now for Reid and his cohorts is that insurance companies will get a little richer, at least in the short run.

This is the bribe that got many in the health-insurance and health care industries to go along with Obamacare. They’ll make a lot of money in the short to middle term, and then get out of the business and go on their merry way.

And this is one of the ways the failure of the health insurance industry will be blamed on evil greedy capitalists and free enterprise. The smarter people making money from the government designed scheme will cash in before the collapse. The dumber more foolish ones, not so much.

farsighted on August 10, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I recently had a health scare and had to have some tests done. I have no insurance so I was self pay. The difference in the prices for insured and self pay is Unbelievable. Cat scan was $450 self pay, insured it would have been over $1000. Pet scan was $1500 self pay, insured it would have been $6000. There is something very wrong with this.

BeachBum on August 10, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Hypochondriacs or all stripes, “free” health care (paid for by government, unions, or employers), and an extremely litigious society make heath care very, very expensive.

When someone with no health insurance must pay the choice for the health care provider is to make nothing or make something, so you get the discount rate.

farsighted on August 10, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Texas needs to leave the union now before it is too late.

(Note: I typed this post in a couple of hours ago, but I used the “leave the union ‘s’ word” which caused the delay in the post.

Why does it do that?

Why should that trigger moderator review?

Crazy.

Theophile on August 10, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Perhaps this experiment in big-government intervention and market distortion will make an even better argument for that path rather than a government takeover that follows government incompetence and rationing. We can certainly hope so, anyway.

It should, and given an honest and forthright media it would. But in the country we live in now the media will see to it that single payer gets done no matter what.

bgibbs1000 on August 10, 2013 at 5:22 PM

That can’t work without tort reform. I work in the healthcare industry and one of the largest expenses a provider has is malpractice insurance. Provider pricing has to include all overhead, which includes not only staff salaries/benefits but insurance, etc.

Docs are already retiring. Single practice MDs will no longer be around. They won’t be able to afford it. Healthcare in the USA is third world now, the people just don’t realize it.

Yet.

ladyingray on August 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM

And as joe average healthcare customer/consumer the only way I support tort reform is getting the government out of healthcare and reducing regulations. Along with making the healthcare industry transparent so I know what I’m going to be paying and make them compete. The healthcare industry has gotten exemptions for things that if done in other industries would lead to jail time.

More people die every year to just basic medical errors than to gun violence yet I have to hear from various idiot doctors and such about banning guns or requiring seat belts be worn on penalty of a big fine for the state coffers.

oryguncon on August 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM

anyone not blinded by political ideology, knows that he would have looked to market forces to solve our healthcare problems

Meredith

Like he did in Massachusetts?

xblade on August 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM

So the democrats are intentionally putting the entire country through hell, creating all this chaos in people’s lives as they destroy our current health care system – all being done so that in the end they can expand THEIR OWN power. There is one word for this: diabolical.

TarheelBen on August 10, 2013 at 5:44 PM

“More than two years after the passage of Obamacare, the data overwhelming show the law will fail to achieve its core objectives of lowering costs and improving access,” Coburn wrote in 2012. “That, ironically, may have been the design.”

“ironically”?? No. “may have been”?? Absolutely not. “Intentionally,” as anyone with even half a brain screamed the whole time that this insane, un-Constitutional, illegal national socialization of health care was being forced through in every criminal way possible.

Of course, the GOP couldn’t see their way to really try to stop it. They couldn’t even force one complete reading of one version of the 15 or 20 different 2000+ page bills that were flying around. Not a one.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 10, 2013 at 5:49 PM

What should come after its failure is a reliance on free-market forces,

More like the arrest and trials of every America-hating POS who helped froce it through, including Benedict Roberts, whose totally insane decision made a total mockery of America, the Rule of Law, the English language and logic, in general.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on August 10, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Been saying that all along, ObamaCare, designed to fail, since Day One.

Matter of fact, had it not been for the 2010 Congressional elections, the Democrats would have given up on ObamaCare in 2012, and we would be looking at a single-payer system right now.

GarandFan on August 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Harry loves himself some McCain, and McCain is proud of that “specialness.”
http://therightscoop.com/harry-reid-john-mccain-controls-about-10-people-and-thats-all-i-needed-to-get-things-done-in-senate/

onlineanalyst on August 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM

The health insurance companies got in bed with the Democrat prostitutes and they got a bad case of a sexually transmitted disease, serves them good. Maybe if they get enough Republicans elected in 2014/2016 they can get the cure before it falls off.

banzaibob on August 10, 2013 at 6:50 PM

This is why it must be killed by any means necessary every means possible before it can fail-deadly.

Delay.
Defund.
Repeal.

Steve Eggleston on August 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Like the Federal Reserve Board, Quantitative Easing, the IRS, the income tax, TARP and other bailouts, voter fraud, foreign aid…you mean like those forms of thievery?

I agree with your sentiment, but let’s be real.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 10, 2013 at 6:54 PM

How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 10, 2013 at 7:08 PM

That was the goal all along is to make this a single payer type country. The liberal dream is to have health care like some places in Europe. We will then see shortages of health care, poor health care, including rationing and less medical advancements.

watertown on August 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Except we do have the benefit of seeing the FUBAR that is the NHS, Canada’s system, Cuba’s system.

The Internet is a wonderful thing.

It was designed to fail and, when it does, the response will be to blame the insurance companies, etc. for failure while ignoring the fact government intervention (Obamacare) was the actual culprit.

Unless we beat that drum loudly every single day. A friend complains about insurance costs? Remind them of Obamacare. A neighbor loses his full-time job? Remind him of Obamacare. Never let them forget.

It is unpopular enough that repeal, defunding, whatever to kill it is possible. And Reid’s admission just adds fuel to the fire.

englishqueen01 on August 10, 2013 at 10:26 PM

“In other news, scientists have determined that water is wet and that guys like to drink beer while looking at pretty girls. (though the latter needs further study.)

rbj on August 10, 2013 at 2:43 PM”

I’m doing my best!

shorebird on August 11, 2013 at 12:58 AM

I’d just like to slap his smug, wrinkledly face.

avagreen on August 11, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Something that will work forever?

Is this guy living on lalaland? At his age he ought to know that nothing remains or can remain constant forever, just by looking at his own face.

Words like “forever” used by politicians, all successful adults are mechanisms of lies.

vnohara on August 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Welcome to the club, Ed.

jnelchef on August 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM