Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on August 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

Chris Christie and Hillary Rodham Clinton are the “hottest politicians” in the nation, according to one new poll…

Christie, the New Jersey governor and potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate, rates 53.1 degrees on what Quinnipiac University calls its “thermometer of voters attitudes towards the nation’s major political figures.”…

[Pollster Peter Brown] added: “But Gov. Christopher Christie’s rating is impressive given that his experience — less than four years as governor — pales compared to Mrs. Clinton’ s résumé. What is interesting is that only two of the 22 figures rate better than the absolute middle of the scale, not exactly a ringing endorsement of the nation’s political establishment.”

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LB: Which contemporary political figure do you think has the most dramatic potential?

[Aaron Sorkin]: I think it depends what situation you put the political figure in. Other people are going to say Hillary Clinton so I’m going to say Chris Christie. He’s got a tough needle to thread in the next few years.

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In July, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) had a set-to over American foreign policy. Christie clumsily denounced “this strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought.” It was clumsy in its garbled syntax but also in its ill-considered shot at “libertarianism.” What he meant to say, I think, was “isolationist,” and that is the term a host of commentators on the left and right are using to describe Paul and his ideas. Even the inestimable Charles Krauthammer sees in Paul the “return of the most venerable strain of conservative foreign policy — isolationism.”…

The self-avowed isolationist movement died in the ashes of World War II. But while it lived it was a bipartisan cause, just like interventionism. Similarly, the competing impulses to engage the world and to draw back from it aren’t the exclusive provenance of a single party; rather they run straight through the American heart. And neither impulse is always right for every challenge. Even most hawks preferred a cold war to a hot one with the Soviet Union. And most doves supported striking back against Al Qaeda after 9/11…

Krauthammer is absolutely right that the GOP is going to have a big foreign policy debate — and it should (as should the Democrats). I’m just not sure bandying around the I-word will improve or illuminate that debate very much.

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I can’t shake my dismay at Gov. Chris Christie’s comments, 12 days ago, on those who question and challenge what we know or think we do of the American national security state…

Christie is wrong that concerns and reservations about surveillance are the province of intellectuals and theorists—they’re not. He’s wrong that their concerns are merely abstract—they’re concrete. Americans don’t want to be listened in to, and they don’t want their emails read by strangers, especially the government. His stand isn’t even politically shrewd—it needlessly offends sincere skeptics and isn’t the position of the majority of his party, I suppose with the exception of big ticket donors in Aspen…

What is surprising here is that Christie is so quick and sloppy with his denunciation of conservatives who are acting like conservatives. It is odd because he, too, is a conservative.

His remarks were bad in another way, and it is connected to the word manipulation.

His comments on surveillance were an appeal only to emotion, not to logic and argument and fact, but emotion. This is increasingly the way politics is done in America now. It’s how they do politics at the White House, where the president usually doesn’t bother to make a case and instead just tries to set a mood. But it’s not how Christie normally approaches public questions. In speeches and appearances in the past he’s addressed the logic of the issue at hand, whether it’s spending or the implications of pension promises, or union contracts, or tax rates. That’s part of why he’s been so popular—he’s blunt and logical, has an argument to make and makes it clearly.

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What those in both corners of the political spectrum should understand is that Christie has governed New Jersey as a straight-down-the-line, if not pragmatic, conservative. And there is no indication that a President Christie wouldn’t govern in the same conservative way.

Consider this: Planned Parenthood clinics have solely closed because of Christie (he has rejected state funding five times). New Jersey is one of two states in the entire northeast without gay marriage (he vetoed a gay marriage bill). And the minimum wage remains $7.25 an hour (he punted to voters, who will decide in November whether to raise it).

Christie has cut business taxes and provided $2.1bn in subsidies and grants for corporations. By refusing to continue a so-called millionaire’s tax, he kept taxes down for the wealthy. And by cutting the Earned Income Tax Credit, he effectively raised taxes on the working poor.

He has demonized public employee unions, forcing teachers, cops and public workers to pay more for health benefits and pension contributions. Despite one of the toughest teachers’ unions in the nation, he has succeeded in getting through several “education reform” measures – like charter school expansion, merit pay and tenure tied to performance instead of seniority. He pulled out of a major project that would have boosted public transportation, and a multi-state treaty that sought to limit carbon emissions.

Christie did all of this despite a Democratic Legislature in one of the bluest states in the country. What more could conservatives want?

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Christie checks the crucial boxes of the religious and business wings of the Republican Party. He’s pro-life and he’s against gay marriage. He has solid credentials opposing taxes and attacking unions, which will eventually compliment a reformist, conservative domestic policy agenda. His great acts of moderation are on immigration, where many of the contenders are on the sage page, or on guns, which isn’t anything close to a litmus test—especially in the states Christie is counting on. Maybe Medicaid expansion will be a big issue, but history suggests that Republicans are willing to nominate candidates with deficient conservative credentials, so long as they don’t violate a few sacred rules about abortion and taxes.

It’s surprisingly easy to envision Christie winning the nomination. His conservative credentials are pretty good, so now all he needs to do is get Republicans to remember. That shouldn’t be hard for Christie. His charisma and brass-style will make him an excellent Obama-, union-, and liberal-basher once he wins reelection. It’s easy to envision him cleaning up the debates, like Newt Gingrich before South Carolina. It’s worth recalling that he was once a Tea Party favorite for exactly this reason. Unlike 2008, when Giuliani’s northeastern starting point was interrupted by Romney and McCain, there’s not another northeastern, maverick-y candidate to prevent Christie from doing well in a state like New Hampshire, Michigan, or Florida. If Jeb Bush doesn’t run, there isn’t another candidate better positioned to start locking down endorsements and donors. Electability will help, too.

Perhaps the biggest danger for Christie is discipline. He could easily start bashing his conservative opponents instead of president, just like Jon Huntsman. But if Christie sticks to the Obama-bashing game plan, he could easily be the nominee, even if it’s hardly assured. And in this most critical respect, he’s no Giuliani.

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What is at stake instead is Christie’s relationship with the rest of the country and with his party: He is running, in New Jersey and outside it, an identity campaign. In this campaign, the governor has taken a pointed pleasure in noting the splits between himself and the predominant conservative mood, deeply partisan and profoundly anti-government. There was his famous embrace of President Obama during Hurricane Sandy and afterward, and his denunciation of the conservative congressmen who bridled at funding federal relief of the Jersey shore. Recently, he has begun to make the contrast of ideas direct: At an Aspen Institute forum in Colorado late last month, in a conversation about the national security state, he chose to speak broadly, calling “the strain of libertarianism” that had engulfed both parties, but especially his, “is a very dangerous thought.”…

We have never had a president as outwardly angry as Christie, but then this country has rarely been as angry as it is now. In the tea-party era, conservative anger has often been channeled by figures such as Michele Bachmann and Ted Cruz into a hysteria over very abstract and inflated threats: health-care death panels, the national debt, the specter of a country overrun by illegal immigrants. Christie’s use of anger is very different: It is much more targeted, and therefore potentially much more useful…

What Christie is doing when he starts arguments with other Republicans—and it is telling that what looks very much like a presidential run has begun with a sequence of fights—is offering his party the chance to preserve its anger, while trading in its revolutionaries for a furious institutionalist.

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Via Mediaite.

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What a waste of rock, too.

TXUS on August 7, 2013 at 1:27 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on August 7, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Sweet Dream Baby – Orbison

thatsafactjack on August 7, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Killing me, girl. ;-) You know how much I like him, even got a video of a concert that he did that we project on the side of the barn at the ranch, drunk and dancing barefoot in the grass, like heathens.

A favorite, though not too well known: I Drove All Night — Orbison

TXUS on August 7, 2013 at 1:45 AM

Still Got The Blues – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on August 7, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Just finished some light enchanting and conjuring exercises. Boy is my wand tired.

SparkPlug on August 7, 2013 at 1:48 AM

thatsafactjack on August 7, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Goodnight, Jackie, may you and the sun and the morning be as one.

TXUS on August 7, 2013 at 1:56 AM

power hungry pig

pat on August 7, 2013 at 2:00 AM

williamg on August 7, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Ray’s solo stuff is great, too.

Christien on August 7, 2013 at 2:01 AM

Hello!!..:)

Dire Straits on August 7, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Ray Davies – “No One Listen”

Christien on August 7, 2013 at 2:17 AM

Now that the neocons have been in control of the American foreign policy apparatus since the Reagan administration do you, as an American, feel more “engaged” with the people of the Middle East, or do you feel isolated from them? Do you feel free and safe to travel there, to shop, or to form business partnerships when Saudis, Libyans, or Egyptians, or do you feel isolated from them? Is it safe to send your children to a university in that part of the world, or on a summer tour-the-world vacation, or is is safer to isolate your children from such people and places?

The answer to these questions is of course “NO,” thanks to the belligerent instigationism of the neocons who run the American foreign policy establishment. They are the real isolationists. It is war and aggressive military bullying, the defining characteristics of the American empire — and of all empires — that isolates peoples of the world from one another. What brings them together, on the other hand, is peace, free enterprise, and free international trade. Ron Paul made this point over and over again during the Republican “debates,” and was roundly shouted down as an “isolationist” by the GOP statists and all their loudmouth minions on TV and radio. They all got it exactly backwards, in other words. But that doesn’t matter to the neocons. All that matters to them is to regain or retain political power and the wealth and riches is brings to them.

“The neocons are not only evil, they are stupid and evil. But what else would you expect from former Trotskyits/communists turned Straussian?”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on August 7, 2013 at 3:31 AM

I’m curious…The trolls hate us. So, what is their purpose for constantly invading here?

Liam on August 7, 2013 at 5:04 AM

Not just “no”…

Wino on August 7, 2013 at 5:28 AM

I will NEVER vote for christie for anything.

TX-96 on August 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM

lol
fox is the mouthpiece of the gop but msdnc is not the mouthpiece of the dems
-mika

delusional…

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Not just “no”…

Wino on August 7, 2013 at 5:28 AM

this

TX-96 on August 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM

and this

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Hate that fat traitor.

bluegill on August 7, 2013 at 6:35 AM

tingles quote right up there with mika’s quote

yeah…..right

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:39 AM

lsm doing their job making sure to nominate the gop candidate they want for us…

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! Letting hoodlums get away with hoodlumism today does not undo a single injustice of the past. It is not even a favor to the hoodlums, for many of whom hoodlumism is just the first step on a path that leads to the penitentiary, and maybe to the execution chamber.

– Dr. Thomas Sowell
Today’s Blog: “Oprah, Emmett, and Trayvon: The Rich, The Innocent, and The Lost”
My take.

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM

fox is the mouthpiece of the gop but msdnc is not the mouthpiece of the dems
-mika

delusional…

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:34 AM

The mouth is not the part of anatomy that I would use to compare with MSDNC. Think lower.

lsm doing their job making sure to nominate the gop candidate they want for us…

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:41 AM

You should see the job the media is doing to prop up Terry McAuliffe here in VA. His opponent accepted but did not report a turkey dinner with a big donor and the media is doing its best to make it into an ethics scandal. McAuliffe’s company is being investigated for trying to buy visas, another McAuliffe company built factories in Mississippi and China instead of VA, the man is from Syracuse in a state where many of us can date our roots back here to colonial times…… And yet he’s the media darling because of his Clinton connection.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 6:50 AM

I will NEVER vote for christie for anything.

TX-96 on August 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM

I’d vote for Christie. If we were both on Survivor and it came time to pick who should be voted off the island. Other than that, I wouldn’t vote for anybody before I would vote for the fat Quisling who adores the rat-eared coward in the White House.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 6:50 AM

oh yeah :)

i believe that…gotta make sure the D looks good….

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Today’s Blog: “Oprah, Emmett, and Trayvon: The Rich, The Innocent, and The Lost”

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Why in God’s name anybody cares what that vile woman thinks about issues is beyond my understanding. She isn’t all that smart as her comparison between Till and Trayvon Martin proves beyond any doubt.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 6:56 AM

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM

excellent KJ…too bad the rest of the lsm cannot see this…

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:56 AM

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 6:56 AM

But…but…she gives aways cars!

– Pookie

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 6:56 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM

heh

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 7:10 AM

But…but…she gives aways cars!
– Pookie

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Yeah and Matt Damon blasts parents who send their kids to private school even though his kids do not go to public school. I’m sick of these hypocrites spouting leftist dogma that they don’t actually follow in their personal lives. Or make broad sweeping statements that have no basis in reality. And since they have a certain amount of fame, the media just loves to hear what these uneducated idiots have to say about the world. In the meantime, if the media were to interview a parent who home schools or a participant in a tea party rally….. they are portrayed as right-wing crackpots.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 7:12 AM

OT- Did you hear what Keith Ellison said? The United States isn’t broke. There is plenty of money. The problem is that the wealth is in private hands and not the government’s. The fundamental idea being that government has the right to all wealth and we should be grateful with what we are allowed to keep. Why are people in MN so goddamned stupid?

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 7:12 AM

spot on

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on August 7, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Another Muslim Marxist.

I keep trying to get Bishop to move down here, but he just won’t leave
his bunker.

kingsjester on August 7, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Hillary vs. Christie?

HILLARY……..death to the pathetic republican Party face of the Progressive movement.

PappyD61 on August 7, 2013 at 7:29 AM

Let’s see if Christie campaigns for Lindsey Graham once Lindsey realizes he’s in deeeep doo-doo.

SouthernGent on August 6, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Yeah, that’s a strong possibility, but for which party will they run?

Don L on August 7, 2013 at 7:49 AM

But Gov. Christopher Christie’s rating is impressive given that his experience — less than four years as governor — pales compared to Mrs. Clinton’ s résumé

And that resume would be what exactly? Marrying an ambitious political animal and riding his coattails to become Senator and Secretary of State is now considered a resume? This country is way past lost.

Physics Geek on August 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Pfftt! Almost forgot. gunter, care to weigh in?

Bmore on August 7, 2013 at 1:56 PM

We’re supposed to put our hopes in Christie because why? Because he’s the choice of the Republican establishment?
What has the Republican Establishment been batting lately?

dverplank on August 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

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