Leahy: You know, Bloomberg turned out to be a liability on gun control

posted at 2:41 pm on August 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

No kidding, although Senate Judiciary chair Pat Leahy is kidding himself in other ways.  On C-SPAN’s Newsmakers yesterday, Leahy lamented the failure of the Senate to pass an expansion of background-check requirements for firearms purchases, which polls showed had widespread support.  Thanks to the demagoguery in the debate, Leahy said, the bill has no chance of passage now (via Andrew Johnson at The Corner):

One leading Democratic senator believes that Michael Bloomberg’s gun-control efforts did more harm than good. “Unfortunately, you have some on the left like the mayor of New York City, who actually didn’t help a bit with his ads,” saidPatrick Leahy of Vermont.

“He actually turned off some people that we might have gotten for supporters,” he told C-SPAN’s Newsmakers on Sunday. …

Leahy also ruled out the possibility of the Senate’s passing a background-check bill anytime soon, saying that “it is not going to get through now.” He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

The last bit is absurd.  No one pushed to eliminate background checks on retail sales this year, for instance, and no one demanded that automatic weapons be fully legalized, either.  The objection to expansion of background checks arose over three main issues.  First, it was non-responsive to the crimes used to push the bill forward; the Newtown shooter had been denied a purchase on the basis of a background check, and stole the weapons from his mother instead. Second, the proposed expansion of background checks would have applied to transfers between family members as well as private sales, creating what some felt to be needless complications for a harmless transaction.  Third, gun-rights activists feared that the paper trails would be used by the government to create a firearms registry.  The bill specifically outlawed that — but then the NSA scandal on data collection arose, followed by today’s revelation about the DEA, along with the Obama administration’s decisions to simply ignore statutory law it doesn’t like in ObamaCare (including one coming up to rescue Congress). There isn’t much reason to trust that the DoJ under Obama would follow that statute any more conscientiously than one in another bill they actually like.

Other than that, though, Leahy’s right, but he doesn’t go far enough.  The White House and its supporters immediately began demonizing gun owners and Second Amendment activists in the wake of the Newtown shooting in an attempt to steamroller gun-control legislation that went far beyond an expansion of background checks.  They demanded a so-called “assault weapons” ban that didn’t work the first time around, and some Democrats hinted at going even farther than that.  New York Governor Andrew Cuomo demanded and received a limit on magazine capacity that would have disarmed law enforcement in the state. It’s no small wonder that gun owners reacted by opposing everything.

Had the Obama administration and Leahy’s other allies focused just on background checks from the beginning and tried to work with opponents rather than demonizing them, they might have won a victory on some expansion of background checks.  Bloomberg is a large part of why they failed, but he’s not the only reason.


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Awwww, poor Bloomie is being flouted at every turn as he attempts to craft his legacy. Those interfering courts are overturning his important soda pop mandate and now this! Astonishingly, the Democrats are turning on him on his gun control efforts! What’s next? Are they going to start questioning his ground-breaking Sodium Reduction Initiative?!?

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Off topic, but this really really blows out of the water as small potatoes the NSA surveillance issue, especially for those that think the unwinnable immoral devastating drug war is a brutal costly ($1.5 trillion) ineffective farce. This is a top story on google news: the DEA has been involved in massive NSA style warrantless spying on Americans, and then they lie about what led them to make drugs arrests (not mentioning the illegal or at least unconstitutional surveillance). Um, I want to hear some authoritarian “conservatives” like Christie say they are on board with this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/08/05/more-surveillance-abuse-exposed-special-dea-unit-is-spying-on-americans-and-covering-it-up/

anotherJoe on August 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

More in depth wisdom from Leaky.

FOWG1 on August 5, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Overreach..it’s what’s for dinner. LOL Blooming goofball know-it-all.

NJ Red on August 5, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Schadenfreude, pure!!!

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Um, I want to hear some authoritarian “conservatives” like Christie say they are on board with this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/08/05/more-surveillance-abuse-exposed-special-dea-unit-is-spying-on-americans-and-covering-it-up/

anotherJoe on August 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Oh, come on. All this loss of privacy and trampling of the Constitution is worth it. After all, look how the Feds were able to prevent that tragedy in Boston.

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

The full quote:

“Then you have some on the far right who say that the second amendment allows us to have anything. I mean, you can take a machine gun to deer hunting. There needs to be a balance between the two.”

Yeah, we on the Right are really pushing to use a machine gun on a deer.

D-bag.

Bitter Clinger on August 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

You dems got him.

No givsies backsies.

portlandon on August 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Once more a progressive whines that “our message didn’t get out in the right way!”

Leahy, like every other progressive, simply refuses to believe that the problem is what the message is, now how it’s delivered.

The message is,

We don’t like guns, we don’t trust you, and we’re going to disarm you to protect ourselves from you. We will, of course, keep our armed minions to shield us from you, anyway.

In an authoritarian state, this would be taken as typical of the rulers.

Leahy does not seem to grasp that in an actual democracy (as opposed to the progressive “people’s state” variant), the reaction of the peasantry might be slightly different.

One more proof that like most of his ilk, he’s been there far too long;

“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

- Oliver Cromwell

clear ether

eon

eon on August 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM

They failed because they over reacted to the Newtown shootings and tried to push every single gun control item that has been pushed and failed in the past. They thought they had hit a home run when the news of the shooting came out and they were 100% confident they could run their entire gun control agenda through in one big push. They thought they had gun owners and the NRA by the short hairs because of the shooting and they over reached big time. As some on the left have said repeatedly, never let a crisis go to waste. It was a simple tale of trying for too much too fast. And I for one hope they did not learn their lesson.

Johnnyreb on August 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Leahy also ruled out the possibility of the Senate’s passing a background-check bill anytime soon, saying that “it is not going to get through now.” He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

It’s not the Far Right that killed the bill, but the Far Left. Gun owners know that the Left will never stop at just one more restriction, but will then move on to the next, and the next, and the next. Bloomberg illustrated that argument so well that people who would normally discount it couldn’t this time.

If Leahy wants his background check bill he’s going to have to convince his own party to make a pact that, not only will they not ask for more gun control past some point that most Americans will support, but that they will actively oppose anyone of either party that attempts to push beyond it. And Democrats will never do that.

Socratease on August 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

No, the truth was a liability for the Pro People Control cadres…

Truth like the following:

Crime in Virginia falls as gun sales soar
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/05/crime-in-virginia-falls-as-gun-sales-soar/
Virginians are buying firearms in greater numbers than ever while gun crime has dropped for the fourth consecutive year in the state, the Richmond-Times Dispatch reports.

Galt2009 on August 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Hmmmm…. What to do with a useful idiot who proves to be less than useful at his appointed task? On occasions like this it would be fun if the DNC could just invite Bloomie, Christie et al. over to the Star Chamber at HQ and pull the lever that opens the floor to the shark/croc/DebbieWassnername Schmutz tank below. They could televise it. Must See TV. Seriously. Watching it would be mandatory.

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I don’t think Bloomberg had much to do with the gun-grabbers’ last failed try. He’s a relatively minor player, who gets more attention here at HA than he does in the Mid West.

Those who are on the national stage, being in Washington, are the ones who lost it for themselves. Feinstein and her arsenal were nothing more that a joke, followed by all the dumb things Biden said on how to handle a shotgun. Of course, Leahy would never admit to any of that.

I imagine many other Second Amendment supporters are like me, where there is no longer any willingness to compromise away a single bit more of our rights. We repeatedly gave a little at a time over the years, and it stopped being ‘reasonable’ decades ago. The gun grabbers went for the whole kassaba this last time, biting off more than they could chew. They got nothing.

Hopefully, that situation will remain many more years to come, with maybe a rollback of what we gave up along the way. I, for one, won’t give the gun-grabbers another inch.

Liam on August 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Then you have some on the far right who say that the second amendment allows us to have anything. I mean, you can take a machine gun to deer hunting. There needs to be a balance between the two.

What idiocy. You aren’t going to use a machine gun on a deer hunt. That would make a hash out of perfectly good venison.

rbj on August 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM

No, the truth was a liability for the Pro People Control cadres…

Truth like the following:

Crime in Virginia falls as gun sales soar
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/05/crime-in-virginia-falls-as-gun-sales-soar/
Virginians are buying firearms in greater numbers than ever while gun crime has dropped for the fourth consecutive year in the state, the Richmond-Times Dispatch reports.

Galt2009 on August 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM

It’s almost like there’s a trend or something:

Gun Ownership in Hawaii Continues to Climb While Gun Violence Continues to Drop

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 3:05 PM

While we’re on the subject. I really need to visit guns.com more often: What Kind of Ammo is Best for Self-Defense from Sharks (VIDEO) Maybe I should make it my homepage….

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM

And IMHO, expanded background checks only polled well, because we were never told what was defined by an expanded background check. Sebilius involvement pretty much cleared up that anything in your background including your medical history could be used against you. Napalitano had already defined conservatives, pro-lifers, 2nd Amendment advocates, smaller government advocates, Tea Party members, veterans and conservatives in general as terrorists.

2nd Ammendment Mother on August 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Worth repeating:

I imagine many other Second Amendment supporters are like me, where there is no longer any willingness to compromise away a single bit more of our rights. We repeatedly gave a little at a time over the years, and it stopped being ‘reasonable’ decades ago. The gun grabbers went for the whole kassaba this last time, biting off more than they could chew. They got nothing.

Hopefully, that situation will remain many more years to come, with maybe a rollback of what we gave up along the way. I, for one, won’t give the gun-grabbers another inch.

Liam on August 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Each and every time there is a ‘serious crisis ‘ the gun grabbers exploit they try to bit by bit destroy the right o self-defense.

And each incremental attack on that civil right is couched as ‘reasonable’ and ‘commonsense’ and each time they reset the language for the next incremental attack.

It should be clear to all that they will not stop until they have destroyed that civil right, with each move building on the preceding one.

Galt2009 on August 5, 2013 at 3:09 PM

All you jackasses are liabilities because you consistently lie, overreach, demagogue, and show yourselves to be flaming hypocrites when you produce your abominable schemes.

But thank you for making guns and gun ownership mainstream through every strata of society, even the hysterics of Brady own guns though some won’t admit it.

Bishop on August 5, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Hopefully, that situation will remain many more years to come, with maybe a rollback of what we gave up along the way. I, for one, won’t give the gun-grabbers another inch.

Liam on August 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Publicizing the NSA and DEA snooping should take care of that. Along that line, I wonder what the ATF has been up to, regarding surveilance.

a capella on August 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Publicizing the NSA and DEA snooping should take care of that. Along that line, I wonder what the ATF has been up to, regarding surveilance.

a capella on August 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Well, we know what they haven’t been up to: tracking guns to Mexican cartels.

Bitter Clinger on August 5, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Had the Obama administration and Leahy’s other allies focused just on background checks from the beginning and tried to work with opponents rather than demonizing them, they might have won a victory on some expansion of background checks. Bloomberg is a large part of why they failed, but he’s not the only reason.

They all fed on carrion and choked on it. Couldn’t happen to a ‘nicer’ bunch.

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Thank obama, Leahy, Reid, Pelosi and Bloomberg for all the guns and ammo sales. No one could have marketed them better.

Schadenfreude on August 5, 2013 at 3:22 PM

He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

That’s a damn lie, but what is true is that Leahy and the far left believe abortion should be legal anytime, anywhere, and for any reason.

RadClown on August 5, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Dang! Patrick Leahy saying you turn people of is like a skunk saying you stink.

DamnCat on August 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM

He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

“Allows us to have anything?” That’s been the motto of the average Obama voter since 2008.

Kingfisher on August 5, 2013 at 3:38 PM

It’s amazing how the far right can “hold up” anything considering that the Democrats own the executive and one house of the legislative branch.

I guess the far right “held up” gun control legislation from 2008-2010 as well, correct?

Kingfisher on August 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Hey Leaky. You might want to also take a look at your entire anti-2nd Amendment crusade. It’s ALSO a loser. Just some friendly advice there for you, free of charge.

Meople on August 5, 2013 at 3:50 PM

the Newtown shooter had been denied a purchase on the basis of a background check, and stole the weapons from his mother instead.

Oh yeah, the guy who shot up everyone with handguns, no make that an assault rifle, no it was a hand gun, no wait…

and wanted to shoot up this school because his mother worked there…even though she never worked there.

My favorite part of the whole thing was when the local paper printed a quote by the dead principal about the shooting in which she was killed. They retracted that I believe, so everything’s is on the up and up.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM

It’s almost like there’s a trend or something:

Gun Ownership in Hawaii Continues to Climb While Gun Violence Continues to Drop

cynccook on August 5, 2013 at 3:05 PM

It’s the same people who are befuddled by dropping crime rates running along with increasing incarceration rates.

Midas on August 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Leahy: You know, Bloomberg turned out to be a liability on gun control

Yeah, he and Preezy Steezy should have recruited DWS to be their spokesthing. S/he’s much more.. um… something.

Marcola on August 5, 2013 at 4:00 PM

SHALL

NOT

BE

INFRINGED

TX-96 on August 5, 2013 at 4:18 PM

He blamed the “far Right” for holding up such measures based on the belief that “the Second Amendment allows us to have anything.”

Still pedaling bullshit ……………

GarandFan on August 5, 2013 at 4:23 PM

yup Pat

and Madame Steel Spine holding aloft the Big Gulp, in her Liberty Pose at CPAC 2013, didn’t help the cause of ole Nanny Bloomers either, did it?

HA!

#BeClingers ———> #AmericaRISING

exodus2011 on August 5, 2013 at 4:34 PM

“After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. – William Burroughs

Obama and the gun grabbers did what they always do – blame the innocent law abiding gun owner for the crimes of others. From the shrieking hags in the Senate, to the ones trying to claim moral authority by way of loss to demand all gun owners be punished.

My guns didn’t kill kids or movie theater goer. My guns weren’t used to stick up a liquor store, or shoot a family member in a rage.

Yet, this is the message that the self-righteous gun grabbers told ever gun owner in America.

Oh, they said that they weren’t going to take our guns. They just considered new background checks to be “a good first step” to total confiscation. A message that we read loud and clear.

Even Pravda saw through the scam: “What [liberals] hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.” Stanislav Mishin Pasted from

Alinsky rule 13 backfired on Obama and the Democrats.

georgej on August 6, 2013 at 12:42 AM

HA’s posting software suppressed the URL

Stanislav Mishin’s article is at

georgej on August 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM